Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies betwen these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. STRI BOLTE TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO ME HAIN. what does it exactly means or signifies. kulbir bains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but here it is a an idea or a subject in totality kulbir bains--- In , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies betwen > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. STRI BOLTE > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO ME HAIN. > what does it exactly means or signifies. > kulbir bains. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Dear Kulir ji, Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry the meaning ? Regards, Chandra Prakash , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but here it > is a an idea or a subject in totality > kulbir bains--- In > , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies betwen > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. STRI > BOLTE > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO ME > HAIN. > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > kulbir bains. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male planets manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and rahu ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in even and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. kulbir bains --- In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Kulir ji, > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry the > meaning ? > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but here > it > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > kulbir bains--- > In > > , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies > betwen > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. STRI > > BOLTE > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO ME > > HAIN. > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Dear Kulbir bhai, Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male planets attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the male rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial Celestial Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh-Nareeshwar. Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in the female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in their expression. Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ completeness in its own rasis of ownership. In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. In the presence of God they swear to behave. Just a loud thinking!! Sincerely, Varun Trivedi , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male planets > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and rahu > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in even > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > kulbir bains - -- > In , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry the > > meaning ? > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but > here > > it > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > kulbir bains- -- > > > In > > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies > > betwen > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. > STRI > > > BOLTE > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO > ME > > > HAIN. > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to understand.varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai,Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male planets attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the male rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial Celestial Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh-Nareeshwar.Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in the female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in their expression.Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ completeness in its own rasis of ownership.In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. In the presence of God they swear to behave.Just a loud thinking!!Sincerely,Varun Trivedi , "kulbirbains" <kulbirbains wrote:>> yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male planets > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and rahu > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in even > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible.> > kulbir bains ---> In , "cptyagi2007" > <cptyagi2007@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulir ji,> > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest" could carry the > > meaning ?> > > > Regards,> > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > , "kulbirbains" > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but > here > > it > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality> > > kulbir bains---> > > In > > > , "kulbirbains" > <kulbirbains@> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies > > betwen > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. > STRI > > > BOLTE > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO > ME > > > HAIN.> > > > what does it exactly means or signifies.> > > > kulbir bains.> > > >> > >> >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, The two lines you had quoted appear on page # 110 of 1952 urdu edition. These two line are at the end of the page The title under which they appear is: Title : sehat - beemari - shaadi - aulad - makan -vagairah Sub title : khas khas cheezon ke liye drishti The same lines appear once more on page # 1051 { 1952 urdu ed} Under the title : " Qismat " and subtitle " alop antar ki laharen " In the Gutka { 1941 urdu ed } these lines occur on page # 34, {5th and 6th lines} and the title is " Grah Drishti " Incidently these lines are also there in my Hindi editions for both , 1952 and 1941 editions. Finally just a request, you should not be so prejudiced against the Hindi books. It is these books that got us young people close to the Lal Kitab. Had the knowledge of Lal Kitab been confined to the Urdu books alone, at least some of us might never have been drawn to the book. Therefore the contribution of the Hindi books should be gratefully accepted. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to understand. > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male planets > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the male > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial Celestial > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh-Nareeshwar. > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in the > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in > their expression. > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. In > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > Just a loud thinking!! > > Sincerely, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > planets > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > rahu > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in even > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > kulbir bains - > -- > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry the > > > meaning ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but > > here > > > it > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > kulbir bains- > -- > > > > > In > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies > > > betwen > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. > > STRI > > > > BOLTE > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE > DO > > ME > > > > HAIN. > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 dear Mr.Bains, 'Juft ka ghar' which is divisible by 2;'taaq ka ghar' which is indivsible by 2 ; something like odd and even numbers, 'grah ka bolna' pertains to the effect of that grah e.g in khana no.2,paapi paap nahin karte hain. with best wishes, kiranjeetkulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies betwen these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. STRI BOLTE TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE DO ME HAIN.what does it exactly means or signifies.kulbir bains. Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 yes that's true to some extent because if urdu was the only requirement than all the maharathis of this field would had been mullahs; now imay be thinking loud. kulbir bains --- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > The two lines you had quoted appear on page # 110 of 1952 urdu > edition. These two line are at the end of the page > > The title under which they appear is: > > Title : sehat - beemari - shaadi - aulad - makan -vagairah > Sub title : khas khas cheezon ke liye drishti > > The same lines appear once more on page # 1051 { 1952 urdu ed} Under > the title : " Qismat " and subtitle " alop antar ki laharen " > > In the Gutka { 1941 urdu ed } these lines occur on page # 34, {5th > and 6th lines} and the title is " Grah Drishti " > > Incidently these lines are also there in my Hindi editions for > both , 1952 and 1941 editions. > > Finally just a request, you should not be so prejudiced against the > Hindi books. It is these books that got us young people close to the > Lal Kitab. Had the knowledge of Lal Kitab been confined to the Urdu > books alone, at least some of us might never have been drawn to the > book. Therefore the contribution of the Hindi books should be > gratefully accepted. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > understand. > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > planets > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the > male > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > Celestial > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- Nareeshwar. > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in > the > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in > > their expression. > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. > In > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > > planets > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > > rahu > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in > even > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > -- > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry > the > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key > but > > > here > > > > it > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > kulbir bains- > > -- > > > > > > > In > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what > lies > > > > betwen > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR > ME. > > > STRI > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE > > DO > > > ME > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Dear Kulbir bhai, You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ aloup antar ki laharenâ€. Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not seen, was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not external, deep- deep inside lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } Therefore : Imperceptible internal rhythms, [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be evaluated or examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured either.] ooops, leading to more confusion. Leave it to Kulbir bhai Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. I am out of it, But can I really get away from it. It has haunted me for two days. Want to have a sound sleep today. Varun Trivedi , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to understand. > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male planets > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the male > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial Celestial > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh-Nareeshwar. > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in the > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in > their expression. > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. In > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > Just a loud thinking!! > > Sincerely, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > planets > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > rahu > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in even > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > kulbir bains - > -- > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry the > > > meaning ? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key but > > here > > > it > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > kulbir bains- > -- > > > > > In > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what lies > > > betwen > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR ME. > > STRI > > > > BOLTE > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE > DO > > ME > > > > HAIN. > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 rahu, rahu, rahu.--- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ aloup > antar ki laharenâ€. > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not seen, > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not external, deep- > deep inside > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > Therefore : > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be evaluated or > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > either.] > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > I am out of it, > But can I really get away from it. > It has haunted me for two days. > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > understand. > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > planets > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the > male > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > Celestial > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- Nareeshwar. > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in > the > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in > > their expression. > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. > In > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > > planets > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > > rahu > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in > even > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > -- > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry > the > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key > but > > > here > > > > it > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > kulbir bains- > > -- > > > > > > > In > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what > lies > > > > betwen > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR > ME. > > > STRI > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE > > DO > > > ME > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Sir i think ANTAR ALOP here connects with, ANTAR = DIFFERENCE & ALOP means which is HIDDDEN,LATENT; thereby meaning THE DIFFERENCE WHICH IS LATENT OR HIDDEN; or WHERE BOUNDARIES MERGE. kindly give your views regarding this. kulbir bains - -- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ aloup > antar ki laharenâ€. > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not seen, > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not external, deep- > deep inside > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > Therefore : > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be evaluated or > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > either.] > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > I am out of it, > But can I really get away from it. > It has haunted me for two days. > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue in > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the title > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. keeping > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > understand. > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > planets > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the female > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the > male > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > Celestial > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come together > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- Nareeshwar. > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in > the > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests in > > their expression. > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could mean > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the temple. > In > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > > planets > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > > rahu > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in > even > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > -- > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry > the > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key > but > > > here > > > > it > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > kulbir bains- > > -- > > > > > > > In > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what > lies > > > > betwen > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR > ME. > > > STRI > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN BOLTE > > DO > > > ME > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Kulbir bhai, I do not think that this has a reference to Mushtarka deewar { common wall} concept { page 117 urdu ed 1952 } In the principle of common wall, the concept of a friend or an enemy is paramount. Two enemy planets in the adjacent houses can never influence each other because the boundary of the house between them acts as a wall which will keep them separate. Where as the friends , though placed in two different houses adjacent to each other, would influence one another. The boundary of the house between the two friendly planets, placed in adjacent houses, gets dismantled. Assuming your interpretation that the “boundaries merge†is true than Venus { female planet } placed in Aries { male sign } and Jupiter { male planet } placed next to Venus in Taurus { a female sign } would influence each other because the “boundaries mergeâ€. But this statement would be contrary to the principle of ‘mushtaraka deewar’ where by the two enemy planets, placed in adjacent house will always be kept apart. The enigma doesn’t seem to be solved yet. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Sir i think ANTAR ALOP here connects with, ANTAR = DIFFERENCE & ALOP > means which is HIDDDEN,LATENT; thereby meaning THE DIFFERENCE WHICH > IS LATENT OR HIDDEN; or WHERE BOUNDARIES MERGE. kindly give your > views regarding this. > kulbir bains - > -- In , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ > aloup > > antar ki laharenâ€. > > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya > > > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not > seen, > > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not external, > deep- > > deep inside > > > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > > > Therefore : > > > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be > evaluated or > > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > > either.] > > > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > > I am out of it, > > But can I really get away from it. > > It has haunted me for two days. > > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue > in > > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the > title > > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before > > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately > > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. > keeping > > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > > understand. > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > > planets > > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the > female > > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in the > > male > > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > > Celestial > > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come > together > > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- > Nareeshwar. > > > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve strength / > > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } in > > the > > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests > in > > > their expression. > > > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could > mean > > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the > temple. > > In > > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but still > > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > > > planets > > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 and > > > rahu > > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female in > > even > > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > > -- > > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could carry > > the > > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the key > > but > > > > here > > > > > it > > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > > kulbir bains- > > > -- > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what > > lies > > > > > betwen > > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE GHAR > > ME. > > > > STRI > > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN > BOLTE > > > DO > > > > ME > > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here§s a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 REMEMBER THE POEM ''THE WOODS ARE LOVELY GREEN AND DARK BUT MILES TO GO BEFORE WE SLEEP'' KULBIR BAINS--- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > I do not think that this has a reference to Mushtarka deewar { > common wall} concept { page 117 urdu ed 1952 } > > In the principle of common wall, the concept of a friend or an enemy > is paramount. Two enemy planets in the adjacent houses can never > influence each other because the boundary of the house between them > acts as a wall which will keep them separate. Where as the friends , > though placed in two different houses adjacent to each other, would > influence one another. The boundary of the house between the two > friendly planets, placed in adjacent houses, gets dismantled. > > Assuming your interpretation that the “boundaries merge†is true > than Venus { female planet } placed in Aries { male sign } and > Jupiter { male planet } placed next to Venus in Taurus { a female > sign } would influence each other because the “boundaries mergeâ€. > > But this statement would be contrary to the principle of ‘mushtaraka > deewar’ where by the two enemy planets, placed in adjacent house > will always be kept apart. > > The enigma doesn’t seem to be solved yet. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Sir i think ANTAR ALOP here connects with, ANTAR = DIFFERENCE & > ALOP > > means which is HIDDDEN,LATENT; thereby meaning THE DIFFERENCE > WHICH > > IS LATENT OR HIDDEN; or WHERE BOUNDARIES MERGE. kindly give your > > views regarding this. > > kulbir > bains - > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > > > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ > > aloup > > > antar ki laharenâ€. > > > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya > > > > > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not > > seen, > > > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > > > > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not external, > > deep- > > > deep inside > > > > > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > > > > > Therefore : > > > > > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > > > > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be > > evaluated or > > > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > > > either.] > > > > > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > > > > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > > > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > > > I am out of it, > > > But can I really get away from it. > > > It has haunted me for two days. > > > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we continue > > in > > > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > > > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the > > title > > > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle before > > > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. unfortunately > > > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. > > keeping > > > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > > > understand. > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > > > planets > > > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the > > female > > > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in > the > > > male > > > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > > > Celestial > > > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come > > together > > > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- > > Nareeshwar. > > > > > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve > strength / > > > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } > in > > > the > > > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, manifests > > in > > > > their expression. > > > > > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same strength/ > > > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†could > > mean > > > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the > > temple. > > > In > > > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but > still > > > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, male > > > > planets > > > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 > and > > > > rahu > > > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female > in > > > even > > > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > > > -- > > > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could > carry > > > the > > > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the > key > > > but > > > > > here > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > > > kulbir bains- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or what > > > lies > > > > > > betwen > > > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE > GHAR > > > ME. > > > > > STRI > > > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN > > BOLTE > > > > DO > > > > > ME > > > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here§s a new way to find what you're looking for - > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Kulbir bhai, The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. ----- Robert Frost { famous American poet} Regards, Varun Trivedi , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > REMEMBER THE POEM ''THE WOODS ARE LOVELY GREEN AND DARK BUT MILES TO > GO BEFORE WE SLEEP'' > KULBIR BAINS--- In > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > I do not think that this has a reference to Mushtarka deewar { > > common wall} concept { page 117 urdu ed 1952 } > > > > In the principle of common wall, the concept of a friend or an > enemy > > is paramount. Two enemy planets in the adjacent houses can never > > influence each other because the boundary of the house between > them > > acts as a wall which will keep them separate. Where as the > friends , > > though placed in two different houses adjacent to each other, > would > > influence one another. The boundary of the house between the two > > friendly planets, placed in adjacent houses, gets dismantled. > > > > Assuming your interpretation that the “boundaries merge†is > true > > than Venus { female planet } placed in Aries { male sign } and > > Jupiter { male planet } placed next to Venus in Taurus { a female > > sign } would influence each other because the “boundaries > mergeâ€. > > > > But this statement would be contrary to the principle of > ‘mushtaraka > > deewar’ where by the two enemy planets, placed in adjacent house > > will always be kept apart. > > > > The enigma doesn’t seem to be solved yet. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir i think ANTAR ALOP here connects with, ANTAR = DIFFERENCE & > > ALOP > > > means which is HIDDDEN,LATENT; thereby meaning THE DIFFERENCE > > WHICH > > > IS LATENT OR HIDDEN; or WHERE BOUNDARIES MERGE. kindly give your > > > views regarding this. > > > kulbir > > bains - > > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > > > > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ > > > aloup > > > > antar ki laharenâ€. > > > > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi jaaya > > > > > > > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but not > > > seen, > > > > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > > > > > > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not > external, > > > deep- > > > > deep inside > > > > > > > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > > > > > > > Therefore : > > > > > > > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > > > > > > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be > > > evaluated or > > > > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > > > > either.] > > > > > > > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > > > > > > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > > > > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > > > > I am out of it, > > > > But can I really get away from it. > > > > It has haunted me for two days. > > > > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we > continue > > > in > > > > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > > > > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that the > > > title > > > > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle > before > > > > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. > unfortunately > > > > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. > > > keeping > > > > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try to > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding this > > > > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that male > > > > planets > > > > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in the > > > female > > > > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness in > > the > > > > male > > > > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > > > > Celestial > > > > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come > > > together > > > > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- > > > Nareeshwar. > > > > > > > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve > > strength / > > > > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or maleficity } > > in > > > > the > > > > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. This > > > > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, > manifests > > > in > > > > > their expression. > > > > > > > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same > strength/ > > > > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > > > > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†> could > > > mean > > > > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the > > > temple. > > > > In > > > > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > > > > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but > > still > > > > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, > male > > > > > planets > > > > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in 3,6 > > and > > > > > rahu > > > > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, female > > in > > > > even > > > > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > > > > -- > > > > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could > > carry > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has the > > key > > > > but > > > > > > here > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > > > > kulbir bains- > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or > what > > > > lies > > > > > > > betwen > > > > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE > > GHAR > > > > ME. > > > > > > STRI > > > > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI NAHIN > > > BOLTE > > > > > DO > > > > > > ME > > > > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here§s a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 thanx for giving the exact words. i faintly remebred it reading in my 10th standard. kulbir bains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > The woods are lovely, dark and deep. > But I have promises to keep, > And miles to go before I sleep, > And miles to go before I sleep. > > ----- Robert Frost > > { famous American poet} > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > REMEMBER THE POEM ''THE WOODS ARE LOVELY GREEN AND DARK BUT MILES > TO > > GO BEFORE WE SLEEP'' > > KULBIR BAINS--- In > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > I do not think that this has a reference to Mushtarka deewar { > > > common wall} concept { page 117 urdu ed 1952 } > > > > > > In the principle of common wall, the concept of a friend or an > > enemy > > > is paramount. Two enemy planets in the adjacent houses can never > > > influence each other because the boundary of the house between > > them > > > acts as a wall which will keep them separate. Where as the > > friends , > > > though placed in two different houses adjacent to each other, > > would > > > influence one another. The boundary of the house between the two > > > friendly planets, placed in adjacent houses, gets dismantled. > > > > > > Assuming your interpretation that the “boundaries merge†is > > true > > > than Venus { female planet } placed in Aries { male sign } and > > > Jupiter { male planet } placed next to Venus in Taurus { a > female > > > sign } would influence each other because the “boundaries > > mergeâ€. > > > > > > But this statement would be contrary to the principle of > > ‘mushtaraka > > > deewar’ where by the two enemy planets, placed in adjacent house > > > will always be kept apart. > > > > > > The enigma doesn’t seem to be solved yet. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir i think ANTAR ALOP here connects with, ANTAR = DIFFERENCE > & > > > ALOP > > > > means which is HIDDDEN,LATENT; thereby meaning THE DIFFERENCE > > > WHICH > > > > IS LATENT OR HIDDEN; or WHERE BOUNDARIES MERGE. kindly give > your > > > > views regarding this. > > > > kulbir > > > bains - > > > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > You have really thrown a gauntlet in the arena. > > > > > Since yesterday I have been thinking about this subtitle. “ > > > > aloup > > > > > antar ki laharenâ€. > > > > > Sounds like a baani from Kabir ji, naav mein nadia doobi > jaaya > > > > > > > > > > Aloup = adrasht =imperceptible , hidden, can be felt but > not > > > > seen, > > > > > was here a while ago, now can’t be seen. > > > > > > > > > > “antar†= like in antar-man = inner , internal, not > > external, > > > > deep- > > > > > deep inside > > > > > > > > > > lahren = waves , rhythms { I like the word rhythms } > > > > > > > > > > Therefore : > > > > > > > > > > Imperceptible internal rhythms, > > > > > > > > > > [ felt but not seen. Since they are ‘aloup’ can not be > > > > evaluated or > > > > > examined. If it is an internal rhythm it can not be measured > > > > > either.] > > > > > > > > > > ooops, leading to more confusion. > > > > > > > > > > Leave it to Kulbir bhai > > > > > Damn it, no wonder Kulbir bhai called it uljhan. > > > > > I am out of it, > > > > > But can I really get away from it. > > > > > It has haunted me for two days. > > > > > Want to have a sound sleep today. > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bains > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Really convincing; no not loud thinking brother if we > > continue > > > > in > > > > > this manner it will definetely yield results. for ur kind > > > > > information just today Guruji Nirmal Bhardwaj told me that > the > > > > title > > > > > under which these lines appear is KISMAT and the subtitle > > before > > > > > these lines appear is termed ANTAR ALOP KI LEHREN. > > unfortunately > > > > > these words are not mentioned in any of translated versions. > > > > keeping > > > > > this in account and ur benevolent explanantion; i will try > to > > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > Would the Vedic astrology concept help in understanding > this > > > > > > dilemma? In the Vedic astrology there is a concept that > male > > > > > planets > > > > > > attain completeness { poornataa ko prapt hote hain } in > the > > > > female > > > > > > rasis, similarly the female planets achieve completeness > in > > > the > > > > > male > > > > > > rasis. This concept has the connotations of the primordial > > > > > Celestial > > > > > > Union of Prakriti and Purush. When these two forces come > > > > together > > > > > > the Shriti { world } is formed. A similar image of Ardh- > > > > Nareeshwar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we therefore assume that the male planets achieve > > > strength / > > > > > > completeness { nothing to do with beneficity or > maleficity } > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > female rasis and the female planets in the male rasis. > This > > > > > > completeness or strength , whatever word you choose, > > manifests > > > > in > > > > > > their expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the mercury is an eunuch it achieves the same > > strength/ > > > > > > completeness in its own rasis of ownership. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of the papi grah the word “nahi bolte†> > could > > > > mean > > > > > > that they shed off their maleficity in the 2nd house, the > > > > temple. > > > > > In > > > > > > the presence of God they swear to behave. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a loud thinking!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes express, manifest, activated could be the words but > > > still > > > > > > > something is amiss. how do we ilustrate this condition, > > male > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > manifest in even houses and female in odd, mercury in > 3,6 > > > and > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > ketu silent in 2 but manifestations of male in odd, > female > > > in > > > > > even > > > > > > > and rahu ketu in 2nd are visible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains - > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the word " express " or " manifest " could > > > carry > > > > > the > > > > > > > > meaning ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now how do i translate BOLTE this single word has > the > > > key > > > > > but > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is a an idea or a subject in totality > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am at my wits ends to understand these lines or > > what > > > > > lies > > > > > > > > betwen > > > > > > > > > > these lines; 1942 page 61 " NAR GRAH BOLTE JUST KE > > > GHAR > > > > > ME. > > > > > > > STRI > > > > > > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > > > > > TAAK ME HAIN ; BUDH HAI BOLTA 3,6 ME, TO PAAPI > NAHIN > > > > BOLTE > > > > > > DO > > > > > > > ME > > > > > > > > > HAIN. > > > > > > > > > > what does it exactly means or signifies. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here§s a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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