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dear sir i am not here to anyalyse anybody's devotion. i am only just discussing the concept written based on scriptures. Jyotisham is also a part of divine knowledge and when i am posting such divine knowledge only, why do you consider it as a waste of time? Hanuman is the most beloved of Lord Shri Rama and that is why He was given future creator post. So, we can also be dear to Rama if we follow the path of Hanuman. Hanuman served Rama even by sacrificing His life. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional

feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama. Lord Krishna in Gita repeatedly told that He comes again and again 'Dharma samsthapanardhaya sambhavami yuge.., Yadaa Yadahi .., Manushim tanumasritam..' etc. We are all, being followers of Krishna, have to give some weightage to these words and search for the contemporary human incarnation (Krishna in the present generation) and worship Him. The most important essence of the life history of Hanuman is meeting Rama, who was the then human incarnation of His generation. Hanuman was waiting to meet the human incarnation on the instruction of His mother and several sages. Hanuman has all the capacity to jump to the upper worlds and go to Brahma Loka or Vaikuntha or Kailasha to see Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Infact in the war, He went to Vaikuntha and brought down Garuda. Even in His childhood all

the angels appeared before Him and gave boons. Then Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra etc. appeared. In such case why He was so anxious about the human form of the Lord? He has seen all the energetic forms of the Lord like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The psychology of Hanuman seems to be quite opposite to our psychology. We are always anxious to see the energetic form of God. In fact we feel that we have seen the original form of God when we see the energetic form of God. Lord Vishnu said in Vishnu Puranam ‘Yasyaanugrahamichchami Tasya Vittam Haraamyaham’, which means that the Lord is pleased by taking the money from the devotee. The Lord is Satguru and one point is appreciable with Him. The Veda says that sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord (Dhanena Tyagenaikena). The Lord came down in human form as Lord Krishna who also told the same point with the highest intensity also. The Gita, the word of Lord Krishna, says that one should sacrifice the entire money possessed by him to please the Lord (Sarva karmaphala

tyagam). Jesus told a rich man to sacrifice all the wealth possessed by him. Vasistha asked Rama to submit gurudakshina (money) before preaching Jnana Vaasistham (Dhanamarjaya kakutstha). at lotus feet of swami surya shweta jha <shwetajha2003 wrote: i support bhaskar ..because it is wrong to use someone ramnavmi wish for fulfilling certain self purpose.this is the occassion of Ram birth..enchant..RAM..RAM..ONLY AND REMEMBER THE CUTE FACE OF RAM....AND ENJOY THE BIRTH.DAY.OF LORD RAMregardsshwetaBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: First of all how do you know that Members here are not sacrifcing ?What sacrifice do you want people here to do?Give you all their money,belongings and comeon the road ?

If they do thisit means they are sacrificing ? And if theydont do this, they are selfish ?And what grace do you require from us by these sermons ? Why dont you sacrifice these sermonsand go and sit at the Lotus Feet.How can you decide whether one has love or not for The lord?Why are you wasting your time constantly and others ? Why dont you give these lectures tothe Foreign Groups ? Why here ?Please do real good by going to colonieswhere people are being converted ,give sermons there. Here theyare all simple and not much moneyed to sacrifice.A Bhakta of Lord Rama who has writtena mail on the Lords Birthday, youare replying all nonsense to Him ?Is this what you have been taught by Your Gurus ?I have debts of Rs.10 Lakhs on me. Can you sacrifice some of yourwealth for me ? The Lord in me would be very much pleased and bless You.Bhaskar,At The

Lotus feet of The real Lord Vishnu. , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:>> First of all we must know that prayers by mouth and meditation by mind do not have any value like offering a cup of water to the guest has no value. Even in the hotel one can drink a cup of water without paying anything. If you ask the Lord to protect you for your prayer and meditation it is something like charging the customer for drinking a cup of water in the hotel.> > To eat meals, you should procure the materials and cook the food. You cannot eat the meals by singing songs or by collecting flowers. Similarly you cannot please the Lord by praising, meditation, worshipping the idols and statues, which are representing Him as models, by going to temples etc.,.> > All these efforts are only

trying to soap the Lord. Your exercises and zymnastic feats by word and feelings can never please the Lord. All these efforts become waste and will not touch the Lord. Even the logical discussions cannot please the Lord. Veda says the same (Yato Vacho Nivartante Aprapya Manasasaha, Namethaya). You are not discussing about your children constantly by such logic.> > You can get the grace of the Lord by sacrifice of work (Karma Sanyasa) and sacrifice the fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) only. You can get and eat a sweet in the hotel either by payment (Karma Phala Tyaga) or working in the hotel for some time (Karma Sanyasa). Except these two ways, you cannot eat the sweet by meditating upon the sweet or by chanting prayers on the sweet.> > Devotion (love on God) should not confine to words & feelings only. You do not show such love to your children. So do not show such love to Lord also. As you

show your love in action in case of your children, you can show same love to Lord also. As you control your words & mind before your children, you can also control before the Lord. Similarly you do not wear silk clothes, garlands & apply sacred ash on your forehead for sake of your children. Why should you put all this drama dress before the Lord also?> > Real love requires unhappiness by sacrifice. In such sacrifice one feels happy since he sacrificed to Lord. You take mother. She gives food to her child & suffers with hunger. But she feels very happy in that suffering. A human being cannot give back anything for such real love. Even if he gives something i.e. temporary only. But when real love is proved by sacrifice the Lord gives permanent fruit i.e. Brahma Loka.> > Sakthuprashta gave his food to Lord in human form though he was not having food for past 10 days. If the guest was an

ordinary human being, guest must have been a sadist, because he never cared about hunger of Sakthuprastha. But since guest was Lord, Sakthuprastha was given infinite wealth in this world & also permanent Brahma Loka after death. So you must be very careful in fixing human form of Lord. Otherwise if human form is an ordinary human being you are deceived & such human being is definitely a sadist.> > Unhappiness in sacrifice & happiness that neutralizes unhappiness are characteristics of path of sacrifice. Lord does not insist such path. The path should come from depth of your heart with full willingness. If you fear for unhappiness you can never follow that path. When the case comes to your children, you will not put this question because you have real love to them. Are you not sacrificing your food to your child even though you suffer with hunger & feel happy? Since you do not have real love

on Lord this question comes to your mind.> > at lotus feet of swami> surya .

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//The Lord is Satguru and one point is appreciable with Him. The Veda says that sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord (Dhanena Tyagenaikena). The Lord came down in human form as Lord Krishna who also told the same point with the highest intensity also. The Gita, the word of Lord Krishna, says that one should sacrifice the entire money possessed by him to please the Lord (Sarva karmaphala tyagam). Jesus told a rich man to sacrifice all the wealth possessed by him. Vasistha asked Rama to submit gurudakshina (money) before preaching Jnana Vaasistham (Dhanamarjaya kakutstha//

 

You and people in your fold will never understand the Gita.Lord Krishna did not mean just money by "KarmaPhala" You are distorting the meaning of what was said to your own devious endevaours.

Karma phala means what......... i dont have that much time toexplain you, neither I believe you would want to understandwhat I mean. You only want that all the persons here should give their money to you and come on the roads. Is it not ?That means sacrifice according to you.

 

//We are all, being followers of Krishna, have to give some weightage to these words and search for the contemporary human incarnation (Krishna in the present generation) and worship Him.//

 

Sir please be kind enough to guide us who is Krishna in the present incarnation.

 

//Vasistha asked Rama to submit gurudakshina (money) before preaching Jnana Vaasistham (Dhanamarjaya kakutstha).//

 

Please do not talk rubbish about sages and venerated personalities of India. Vashistaji could create universes if he wanted. He had that many powers. Gurudakshina does not mean money. It is daily food or sustenance for real Brahmins who do not live as Grihastas.

 

You are a very patient man Mr.Surya and do not wish to speak to you in a rude language. Please move bag and baggage ,pack up and take your sermons to Mr.MF Hussain and the likes who arepainting nude paintings of our Gods and Goddeses.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

, prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:>> dear sir> > i am not here to anyalyse anybody's devotion. i am only just discussing the concept written based on scriptures. Jyotisham is also a part of divine knowledge and when i am posting such divine knowledge only, why do you consider it as a waste of time? Hanuman is the most beloved of Lord Shri Rama and that is why He was given future creator post. So, we can also be dear to Rama if we follow the path of Hanuman. Hanuman served Rama even by sacrificing His life. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama.> > Lord Krishna in Gita repeatedly told that He comes again and again 'Dharma samsthapanardhaya sambhavami yuge.., Yadaa Yadahi .., Manushim tanumasritam..' etc. We are all, being followers of Krishna, have to give some weightage to these words and search for the contemporary human incarnation (Krishna in the present generation) and worship Him.> > The most important essence of the life history of Hanuman is meeting Rama, who was the then human incarnation of His generation. Hanuman was waiting to meet the human incarnation on the instruction of His mother and several sages. Hanuman has all the capacity to jump to the upper worlds and go to Brahma Loka or Vaikuntha or Kailasha to see Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.> > Infact in the war, He went to Vaikuntha and brought down Garuda. Even in His childhood all the angels appeared before Him and gave boons. Then Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra etc. appeared. In such case why He was so anxious about the human form of the Lord?> > He has seen all the energetic forms of the Lord like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The psychology of Hanuman seems to be quite opposite to our psychology. We are always anxious to see the energetic form of God. In fact we feel that we have seen the original form of God when we see the energetic form of God. > > Lord Vishnu said in Vishnu Puranam `Yasyaanugrahamichchami Tasya Vittam Haraamyaham', which means that the Lord is pleased by taking the money from the devotee. The Lord is Satguru and one point is appreciable with Him. > The Veda says that sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord (Dhanena Tyagenaikena).> > The Lord came down in human form as Lord Krishna who also told the same point with the highest intensity also. The Gita, the word of Lord Krishna, says that one should sacrifice the entire money possessed by him to please the Lord (Sarva karmaphala tyagam). Jesus told a rich man to sacrifice all the wealth possessed by him. Vasistha asked Rama to submit gurudakshina (money) before preaching Jnana Vaasistham (Dhanamarjaya kakutstha).> > at lotus feet of swami> surya> > shweta jha shwetajha2003 wrote:> > i support bhaskar ..because it is wrong to use someone ramnavmi wish for fulfilling certain self purpose.> this is the occassion of Ram birth..enchant..RAM..RAM..ONLY AND REMEMBER THE CUTE FACE OF RAM....AND ENJOY THE BIRTH.DAY.OF LORD RAM> regards> shweta> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: First of all how do you know that Members here > are not sacrifcing ?> > What sacrifice do you want people here to do?> Give you all their money,belongings and come> on the road ? If they do this> it means they are sacrificing ? And if they> dont do this, they are selfish ?> > And what grace do you require from us by these > sermons ? Why dont you sacrifice these sermons> and go and sit at the Lotus Feet.> > How can you decide whether one has love or not > for The lord?> > Why are you wasting your time constantly and > others ? Why dont you give these lectures to> the Foreign Groups ? Why here ?> > Please do real good by going to colonies> where people are being converted ,> give sermons there. Here they> are all simple and not much moneyed to > sacrifice.> > A Bhakta of Lord Rama who has written> a mail on the Lords Birthday, you> are replying all nonsense to Him ?> Is this what you have been taught by > Your Gurus ?> > I have debts of Rs.10 Lakhs on me. > Can you sacrifice some of your> wealth for me ? The Lord in me would be > very much pleased and bless You.> > Bhaskar,> At The Lotus feet of The real > Lord Vishnu.> > , prakki surya > dattapr2000@ wrote:> >> > First of all we must know that prayers by mouth and meditation by > mind do not have any value like offering a cup of water to the guest > has no value. Even in the hotel one can drink a cup of water without > paying anything. If you ask the Lord to protect you for your prayer > and meditation it is something like charging the customer for > drinking a cup of water in the hotel.> > > > To eat meals, you should procure the materials and cook the food. > You cannot eat the meals by singing songs or by collecting flowers. > Similarly you cannot please the Lord by praising, meditation, > worshipping the idols and statues, which are representing Him as > models, by going to temples etc.,.> > > > All these efforts are only trying to soap the Lord. Your > exercises and zymnastic feats by word and feelings can never please > the Lord. All these efforts become waste and will not touch the Lord. > Even the logical discussions cannot please the Lord. Veda says the > same (Yato Vacho Nivartante Aprapya Manasasaha, Namethaya). You are > not discussing about your children constantly by such logic.> > > > You can get the grace of the Lord by sacrifice of work (Karma > Sanyasa) and sacrifice the fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) only. > You can get and eat a sweet in the hotel either by payment (Karma > Phala Tyaga) or working in the hotel for some time (Karma Sanyasa). > Except these two ways, you cannot eat the sweet by meditating upon > the sweet or by chanting prayers on the sweet.> > > > Devotion (love on God) should not confine to words & feelings > only. You do not show such love to your children. So do not show such > love to Lord also. As you show your love in action in case of your > children, you can show same love to Lord also. As you control your > words & mind before your children, you can also control before the > Lord. Similarly you do not wear silk clothes, garlands & apply sacred > ash on your forehead for sake of your children. Why should you put > all this drama dress before the Lord also?> > > > Real love requires unhappiness by sacrifice. In such sacrifice > one feels happy since he sacrificed to Lord. You take mother. She > gives food to her child & suffers with hunger. But she feels very > happy in that suffering. A human being cannot give back anything for > such real love. Even if he gives something i.e. temporary only. But > when real love is proved by sacrifice the Lord gives permanent fruit > i.e. Brahma Loka.> > > > Sakthuprashta gave his food to Lord in human form though he was > not having food for past 10 days. If the guest was an ordinary human > being, guest must have been a sadist, because he never cared about > hunger of Sakthuprastha. But since guest was Lord, Sakthuprastha was > given infinite wealth in this world & also permanent Brahma Loka > after death. So you must be very careful in fixing human form of > Lord. Otherwise if human form is an ordinary human being you are > deceived & such human being is definitely a sadist.> > > > Unhappiness in sacrifice & happiness that neutralizes unhappiness > are characteristics of path of sacrifice. Lord does not insist such > path. The path should come from depth of your heart with full > willingness. If you fear for unhappiness you can never follow that > path. When the case comes to your children, you will not put this > question because you have real love to them. Are you not sacrificing > your food to your child even though you suffer with hunger & feel > happy? Since you do not have real love on Lord this question comes to > your mind.> > > > at lotus feet of swami> > surya> > > > .> > > > > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate> in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.>

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dear bhaskar ji who am i to tell you to sacrifice money for the sake of Lord? You should have asked these questions to Lord Krishna, Lord Vishnu etc who told us to completely sacrifice money. The word karma in the case of a human being means the work done to earn money, which is essential for his food and offering the food to the guest. Money required for the self and his family is called ‘sareera yatra’ in Gita. Money required to prepare food to offer to the guest is called ‘yajna karma’. The word karma in Gita was used in these two meanings in the context of a human being (sareera yatra pichate, yajnah karma samudbhavah).

Therefore the fruit of the work means only money. Some devotees want to escape this test (sacrifice of money) and therefore interpreted the ‘karmaphala’ as the fruit of prayers, japa, parayana, dhyana etc. The eyes in this world not at all see such fruit. Therefore such fruit of work done by words and mind is unreal. There is no difficulty to sacrifice such unreal fruit. Therefore they misinterpreted the ‘karmaphalatyaga’ as leaving a spoon of water in the plate after doing such work by words and mind. Some people have fooled the ignorant people by doing such works and get the ‘Gurudakshina’. They are selling the unreal fruit for the real money, by promising that the fruits of their sins will be removed and results of good deeds, which were not done, will be attained. Veda says three characteristics for Lord 1) Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma He

can preach 'true infinite knowledge'. 2) Rasovaisah (epitome of Love) means by His preaching He generates love (devotion) towards Him 3) Anando Brahma (epitome of bliss) by His preaching He gives bliss to the devotees. 4) And can perform miracles Of all these, knowledge is the topmost which was never told by demons but they have shown miraculous powers. Ofcourse Lord can show His power also. So, based on these, one has to identify the contemporary

human incarnation of Lord Krishna. at lotus feet of swami surya Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Karma phala means what......... i dont have that much time toexplain you, neither I believe you would want to understandwhat I mean. You only want that all the persons here should give their money to you and come on the roads. Is it not ?That means sacrifice according to you. //We are all, being followers of Krishna, have to give some weightage to these words and search for the contemporary human incarnation (Krishna in the present generation) and worship

Him.// Sir please be kind enough to guide us who is Krishna in the present incarnation. Bhaskar. , prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:>> dear sir> > i am not here to anyalyse anybody's devotion. i am only just discussing the concept written based on scriptures. Jyotisham is also a part of divine knowledge and when i am posting such divine knowledge only, why do you consider it as a waste of time?

Hanuman is the most beloved of Lord Shri Rama and that is why He was given future creator post. So, we can also be dear to Rama if we follow the path of Hanuman. Hanuman served Rama even by sacrificing His life. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama.> > Lord Krishna in Gita repeatedly told that He comes again and again 'Dharma samsthapanardhaya sambhavami yuge.., Yadaa Yadahi .., Manushim tanumasritam..' etc. We are all, being followers of Krishna, have to give some weightage to these words and search for the contemporary human incarnation (Krishna in the present generation) and worship Him.> > The most important essence of the life history of Hanuman is meeting Rama, who was the then human incarnation of His generation. Hanuman was waiting to meet the human incarnation on the

instruction of His mother and several sages. Hanuman has all the capacity to jump to the upper worlds and go to Brahma Loka or Vaikuntha or Kailasha to see Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.> > Infact in the war, He went to Vaikuntha and brought down Garuda. Even in His childhood all the angels appeared before Him and gave boons. Then Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra etc. appeared. In such case why He was so anxious about the human form of the Lord?> > He has seen all the energetic forms of the Lord like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. The psychology of Hanuman seems to be quite opposite to our psychology. We are always anxious to see the energetic form of God. In fact we feel that we have seen the original form of God when we see the energetic form of God. > > Lord Vishnu said in Vishnu Puranam `Yasyaanugrahamichchami Tasya Vittam Haraamyaham', which means that the Lord is pleased by taking the money from the devotee. The Lord is Satguru

and one point is appreciable with Him. > The Veda says that sacrifice of money alone can please the Lord (Dhanena Tyagenaikena).> > The Lord came down in human form as Lord Krishna who also told the same point with the highest intensity also. The Gita, the word of Lord Krishna, says that one should sacrifice the entire money possessed by him to please the Lord (Sarva karmaphala tyagam). Jesus told a rich man to sacrifice all the wealth possessed by him. Vasistha asked Rama to submit gurudakshina (money) before preaching Jnana Vaasistham (Dhanamarjaya kakutstha).> > at lotus feet of swami> surya> > shweta jha shwetajha2003 wrote:> > i support bhaskar ..because it is wrong to use someone ramnavmi wish for fulfilling certain self purpose.> this is the occassion of Ram birth..enchant..RAM..RAM..ONLY AND REMEMBER THE CUTE FACE OF RAM....AND ENJOY THE BIRTH.DAY.OF LORD

RAM> regards> shweta> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: First of all how do you know that Members here > are not sacrifcing ?> > What sacrifice do you want people here to do?> Give you all their money,belongings and come> on the road ? If they do this> it means they are sacrificing ? And if they> dont do this, they are selfish ?> > And what grace do you require from us by these > sermons ? Why dont you sacrifice these sermons> and go and sit at the Lotus Feet.> > How can you decide whether one has love or not > for The lord?> > Why are you wasting your time constantly and > others ? Why dont you give these lectures to> the Foreign Groups ? Why here ?> > Please do real good by going to colonies> where people are being converted ,> give sermons there. Here they> are all simple and

not much moneyed to > sacrifice.> > A Bhakta of Lord Rama who has written> a mail on the Lords Birthday, you> are replying all nonsense to Him ?> Is this what you have been taught by > Your Gurus ?> > I have debts of Rs.10 Lakhs on me. > Can you sacrifice some of your> wealth for me ? The Lord in me would be > very much pleased and bless You.> > Bhaskar,> At The Lotus feet of The real > Lord Vishnu.> > , prakki surya > dattapr2000@ wrote:> >> > First of all we must know that prayers by mouth and meditation by > mind do not have any value like offering a cup of water to the guest > has no value. Even in the hotel one can drink a cup of water without > paying anything. If you ask the Lord to protect you for your prayer > and meditation it is

something like charging the customer for > drinking a cup of water in the hotel.> > > > To eat meals, you should procure the materials and cook the food. > You cannot eat the meals by singing songs or by collecting flowers. > Similarly you cannot please the Lord by praising, meditation, > worshipping the idols and statues, which are representing Him as > models, by going to temples etc.,.> > > > All these efforts are only trying to soap the Lord. Your > exercises and zymnastic feats by word and feelings can never please > the Lord. All these efforts become waste and will not touch the Lord. > Even the logical discussions cannot please the Lord. Veda says the > same (Yato Vacho Nivartante Aprapya Manasasaha, Namethaya). You are > not discussing about your children constantly by such logic.> > > > You can get the grace of the Lord by sacrifice of

work (Karma > Sanyasa) and sacrifice the fruit of work (Karma Phala Tyaga) only. > You can get and eat a sweet in the hotel either by payment (Karma > Phala Tyaga) or working in the hotel for some time (Karma Sanyasa). > Except these two ways, you cannot eat the sweet by meditating upon > the sweet or by chanting prayers on the sweet.> > > > Devotion (love on God) should not confine to words & feelings > only. You do not show such love to your children. So do not show such > love to Lord also. As you show your love in action in case of your > children, you can show same love to Lord also. As you control your > words & mind before your children, you can also control before the > Lord. Similarly you do not wear silk clothes, garlands & apply sacred > ash on your forehead for sake of your children. Why should you put > all this drama dress before the Lord

also?> > > > Real love requires unhappiness by sacrifice. In such sacrifice > one feels happy since he sacrificed to Lord. You take mother. She > gives food to her child & suffers with hunger. But she feels very > happy in that suffering. A human being cannot give back anything for > such real love. Even if he gives something i.e. temporary only. But > when real love is proved by sacrifice the Lord gives permanent fruit > i.e. Brahma Loka.> > > > Sakthuprashta gave his food to Lord in human form though he was > not having food for past 10 days. If the guest was an ordinary human > being, guest must have been a sadist, because he never cared about > hunger of Sakthuprastha. But since guest was Lord, Sakthuprastha was > given infinite wealth in this world & also permanent Brahma Loka > after death. So you must be very careful in fixing human form of

> Lord. Otherwise if human form is an ordinary human being you are > deceived & such human being is definitely a sadist.> > > > Unhappiness in sacrifice & happiness that neutralizes unhappiness > are characteristics of path of sacrifice. Lord does not insist such > path. The path should come from depth of your heart with full > willingness. If you fear for unhappiness you can never follow that > path. When the case comes to your children, you will not put this > question because you have real love to them. Are you not sacrificing > your food to your child even though you suffer with hunger & feel > happy? Since you do not have real love on Lord this question comes to > your mind.> > > > at lotus feet of swami> > surya .

 

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