Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply to Balaji

April 25, 2005

Dear Balaji,

I definitely accept your observation that in his early research days

KSK might have tried many ideas from the traditional system. One of

the things missing in his Readers is the history and chronology. How

can one know what he tried earlier but gave up later?

Please understand that all my comments and questions are merely to

understand KP system better and is not intended to challenge any idea

or anyone.

Regards,

Rangarajan

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear Rangarajanji and all,

>

> We all should understand a point that any newly invented theories of

today comes from the old existing principles and also when a correct

solution has to be find using a system during great guruji's day..

>

> just imagine for a while, when transportation is not that much

good,no computer,no awareness among the public,etc.In these

situations,guruji taken the traditional astrology and done a great

research only for a simple reason that to prove astrology is a

science.A universally applicable system,easy to work and

understand,etc are some of his goals.

>

> So,in early days of his research the articles written by him gives

the flavour of traditional approach also.But finally after his mamoth

efforts alnog with his devoted students has given a point that " NO

PLANETS CAN EXALTED OR DEBILITATED AND EVEN IF SO,THIS DOES NOT AFFECT

RESULTS AS PER K.P APPROACH " .

> SO,the topic of exaltation,debilitation,Dasaporutham,Mars

dosha,remedies,gemmology all are handled by him for research purpose

and finally his findings are that everything is based on karma as

given in his First reader.The planet Jupiter can kill,defame,spoil a

man and saturn can bless him with good married life or child in his

period as per the signification thats what karma of us.

>

> Thats what Bhagvat gita says whatever has happened has happened well.

>

> Lord krishna says : " do your duty and I will decide the results " .

>

> So dear learned members and Mr.Rangarajan,Please understand the

essence of K.P and apply it with clear knowledge.

>

> With regards

> Balaji G

>

> Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Rangrajan ji,

>

> Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about

Exaltation/Debilitation .

>

> regards

>

> kanak

>

> > " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...>

> >

> > Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply

to Balaji

> >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000

> >

> >Dear Balaji,

> >Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress

> >exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms

> >in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page

> >145:

> > " In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of

> >a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good

> >or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the

> >content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the

> >content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the

> >constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to

> >diamond in a small packet... "

> >

> >Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and

> >debilitation?

> >

> >Regards,

> >Rangarajan

> >

> > , " Balaji G.krishnan "

> ><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > > Dear sandy and all,

> > >

> > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on

> >debilitation and exaltation of planets.

> > >

> > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is " no

> >planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives the results

> >only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar

> >theory.

> > >

> > > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts

> >having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated

> >gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub

> >lord theory.

> > >

> > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic

> >astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the

> >truth is that we are not hitting the right spot.

> > >

> > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the

> >foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to

> >divert else with other insignificant rules.

> > >

> > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this

> >modern world.

> > >

> > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody.

> > >

> > > With regards

> > > Balaji G

> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sandy,

> > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand

> >what

> > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results " at snails pace "

> > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . Does this affect

> > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective

> > > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see

> > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can

> >affect

> > > this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , " Sandy Crowther "

> > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Group,

> > > >

> > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what

> > > Exaltation

> > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So

> > > below is a

> > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my

> > > humble attempt

> > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and

> > > their usage in

> > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary

> > > teachings of the

> > > > KP system.

> > > >

> > > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence

> > > of his star

> > > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With

> > > that in

> > > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately

> > > offer the

> > > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in

> > > addition to the

> > > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers

> > > the results

> > > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically

> > > each planet

> > > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet

> >combine

> > > their

> > > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or

> >not.

> > > ( If

> > > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will

> > > act can be

> > > > found in my article

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord%

> > > 20function.ht

> > > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?)

> > > >

> > > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer?

> > > > Several indicators are simply " givens " in KP, and must not only

> >be

> > > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized

> >into

> > > your

> > > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to

> > > sizing up an

> > > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that

> > > leave the

> > > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's

> > > exalted or

> > > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent

> > > in KP

> > > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th

> > > or 12th

> > > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is

> > > in a

> > > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do

> > > we assess

> > > > these results?

> > > >

> > > > Exaltation and debilitation are " strength " and " weakness "

> > > indicators

> > > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an

> > > idea of how

> > > > much " muscle " (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within

> > > its

> > > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house

> > > placement.

> > > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in

> > > the 12th,

> > > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th

> > > house, but

> > > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to

> >quickly

> > > carry out

> > > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will

> > > therefore

> > > > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a

> >very

> > > timely

> > > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with

> > > no delay,

> > > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted

> > > status. He

> > > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring

> >not

> > > that he

> > > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events.

> >He's

> > > just

> > > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the

> > > planet has

> > > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to

> > > his star

> > > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse

> > > results that

> > > > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results

> > > pleasant. This is

> > > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it

> > > part of their

> > > > role as " strength indicators " for a planet. The planets do not

> > > give contrary

> > > > results due to their strength status.

> > > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good

> > > house but in

> > > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still

> > > carry out the

> > > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his

> > > strength factor

> > > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So

> >the

> > > result is

> > > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in

> >a

> > > timely

> > > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough

> > > strength to

> > > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he

> >is

> > > not happy

> > > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is

> > > debilitated, but

> > > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT

> > > in a manner

> > > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be

> >carried

> > > out at a

> > > > snails pace.

> > > >

> > > > More Apparent " Strength " Confusion:

> > > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the

> > > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet

> > > considered

> > > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in the

> > > respective

> > > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is

> >considered

> > > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus

> >is

> > > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The

> > > answer to this

> > > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and

> >weaknesses

> > > that need

> > > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to

> > > assessing these

> > > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter,

> >when

> > > posited at

> > > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why?

> >Jupiter

> > > is exalted

> > > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in

> >place

> > > and

> > > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be

> > > truly

> > > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing

> > > planetary

> > > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated

> > > simply because

> > > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is

> > > incorrect - the

> > > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether

> > > that planet

> > > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my

> > > understanding,

> > > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its

> > > exaltation or

> > > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table

> > > showing the

> > > > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this

> >further

> > > clarifies

> > > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table

> > > doesn't

> > > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at

> > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation%

> > > 20revisited.htm

> > > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that

> >in

> > > KP, this

> > > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet).

> > > >

> > > > Planet

> > > > Exalted

> > > > Debilitated

> > > >

> > > > Sun

> > > > 10 Degrees Aries

> > > > 10 Degrees Libra

> > > >

> > > > Moon

> > > > 03 Degrees Taurus

> > > > 03 Degrees Scorpio

> > > >

> > > > Mars

> > > > 28 Degrees Capricorn

> > > > 28 Degrees Cancer

> > > >

> > > > Mercury

> > > > 15 Degrees Virgo

> > > > 15 Degrees Pisces

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > 05 Degrees Cancer

> > > > 05 Degrees Capricorn

> > > >

> > > > Venus

> > > > 27 Degrees Pisces

> > > > 27 Degrees Virgo

> > > >

> > > > Saturn

> > > > 20 Libra

> > > > 20 Degrees Aries

> > > >

> > > > Rahu

> > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > >

> > > > Ketu

> > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > >

> > > > <sandy@t...>

> > > >

> > > > All the Best,

> > > >

> > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy

> > > > Crowther

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> > >

April 25, 2005

Dear Rangarajanji and all,

To my great guruji sri.K.S.K or to me,defaming anything or stopping anybody is not the intention rather the essence of science should be known to all for a better prediction..I would say very accurate prediction.

When graham bell invented a phone,it is not a cordless.Today,Mobile phones are available with video display.How.Let we shed the old things which is not useful or correct and take which gives success,time-saving,accurate results.

Great Guruji Sri.K.S.K and his hundreds of students have done a laborious research by spending many years and many good things.They have shown us a path in thier books,articles and message.Then,why we should again look back.Atleast to respect his system which as I told before is a well tested,certified one.If we are given a driving license by the govt through right means and with right persons,(I mean all legal),why we should again go for a driving class to learn the learnt things.

As a lover of astro science,I dont want to hurt anybody's sentiments or feelings but my strong point here is in K.P forum let we talk about K.P only and if we can develop something good from here like judging a match,finding the blood group of a man,etc....Thats research in the right line.Using K.P anything can be done provided right understanding of the subject and clear mind.

I cannot intervene in others tastes and preferences.

FOR ALL REF:K.P & ASTROLOGY 1995,A very detailed article written by Great Guruji Sri.K.S.K

"HOW TO JUDGE A NATIVITY",PAGE NO,47 LAST PARA..

PLS EVERYBODY WHO TALKS ABOUT EXALTATION GO THROUGH THIS.....HAVE A CLEAR MIND.

with regards

Balaji G

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Dear Balaji,I definitely accept your observation that in his early research daysKSK might have tried many ideas from the traditional system. One ofthe things missing in his Readers is the history and chronology. Howcan one know what he tried earlier but gave up later?Please understand that all my comments and questions are merely tounderstand KP system better and is not intended to challenge any ideaor anyone.Regards,Rangarajan , "Balaji G.krishnan"<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:> Dear Rangarajanji and all,> > We all should understand a point that any newly invented theories oftoday comes from the old existing principles and also when a correctsolution has to be find using a system during great guruji's day..> > just imagine for a

while, when transportation is not that muchgood,no computer,no awareness among the public,etc.In thesesituations,guruji taken the traditional astrology and done a greatresearch only for a simple reason that to prove astrology is ascience.A universally applicable system,easy to work andunderstand,etc are some of his goals.> > So,in early days of his research the articles written by him givesthe flavour of traditional approach also.But finally after his mamothefforts alnog with his devoted students has given a point that "NOPLANETS CAN EXALTED OR DEBILITATED AND EVEN IF SO,THIS DOES NOT AFFECTRESULTS AS PER K.P APPROACH".> SO,the topic of exaltation,debilitation,Dasaporutham,Marsdosha,remedies,gemmology all are handled by him for research purposeand finally his findings are that everything is based on karma asgiven in his First reader.The planet Jupiter can kill,defame,spoil aman and saturn can bless him

with good married life or child in hisperiod as per the signification thats what karma of us.> > Thats what Bhagvat gita says whatever has happened has happened well.> > Lord krishna says :"do your duty and I will decide the results".> > So dear learned members and Mr.Rangarajan,Please understand theessence of K.P and apply it with clear knowledge.> > With regards> Balaji G> > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> > Dear Rangrajan ji,> > Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about Exaltation/Debilitation .> > regards> > kanak> > > > > >"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga@m...> > > > > > > Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited -

Replyto Balaji > >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Balaji, > >Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress > >exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms > >in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page > >145: > >" In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of > >a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good > >or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the > >content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the > >content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the > >constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to > >diamond in a small packet..." > > > >Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and >

>debilitation? > > > >Regards, > >Rangarajan > > > > , "Balaji G.krishnan" > ><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > > > Dear sandy and all, > > > > > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on > >debilitation and exaltation of planets. > > > > > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is "no > >planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P".Planets gives the results > >only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar > >theory. > > > > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts > >having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated > >gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub > >lord theory. >

> > > > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic > >astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the > >truth is that we are not hitting the right spot. > > > > > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the > >foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to > >divert else with other insignificant rules. > > > > > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this > >modern world. > > > > > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody. > > > > > > With regards > > > Balaji G > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand > >what

> > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results "at snails pace" > > > or an exalted planet offering results "quickly". Does this affect > > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective > > > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see > > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can > >affect > > > this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , "Sandy Crowther" > > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what > > > Exaltation > > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So > > > below is a > >

> > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my > > > humble attempt > > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and > > > their usage in > > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary > > > teachings of the > > > > KP system. > > > > > > > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence > > > of his star > > > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With > > > that in > > > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately > > > offer the > > > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in > > > addition to the > > > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers > > > the results

> > > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically > > > each planet > > > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet > >combine > > > their > > > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or > >not. > > > ( If > > > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will > > > act can be > > > > found in my article > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord% > > > 20function.ht > > > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?) > > > > > > > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer? > > > > Several indicators are simply "givens" in KP, and must not only

> >be > > > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized > >into > > > your > > > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to > > > sizing up an > > > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that > > > leave the > > > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's > > > exalted or > > > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent > > > in KP > > > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th > > > or 12th > > > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is > > > in a > > > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do > > > we assess > > > > these results?

> > > > > > > > Exaltation and debilitation are "strength" and "weakness" > > > indicators > > > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an > > > idea of how > > > > much "muscle" (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within > > > its > > > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house > > > placement. > > > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in > > > the 12th, > > > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th > > > house, but > > > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to > >quickly > > > carry out > > > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will > > > therefore > > > > quickly

bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a > >very > > > timely > > > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with > > > no delay, > > > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted > > > status. He > > > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring > >not > > > that he > > > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events. > >He's > > > just > > > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the > > > planet has > > > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to > > > his star > > > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse > > > results that > > > > need to be carried out, and

subsequently make the results > > > pleasant. This is > > > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it > > > part of their > > > > role as "strength indicators" for a planet. The planets do not > > > give contrary > > > > results due to their strength status. > > > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good > > > house but in > > > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still > > > carry out the > > > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his > > > strength factor > > > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So > >the > > > result is > > > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in > >a > > > timely >

> > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough > > > strength to > > > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he > >is > > > not happy > > > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is > > > debilitated, but > > > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT > > > in a manner > > > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be > >carried > > > out at a > > > > snails pace. > > > > > > > > More Apparent "Strength" Confusion: > > > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the > > > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet > > > considered > > > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is

just by being posited in the > > > respective > > > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is > >considered > > > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus > >is > > > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The > > > answer to this > > > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and > >weaknesses > > > that need > > > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to > > > assessing these > > > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter, > >when > > > posited at > > > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why? > >Jupiter > > > is exalted > > > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in >

>place > > > and > > > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be > > > truly > > > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing > > > planetary > > > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated > > > simply because > > > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is > > > incorrect - the > > > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether > > > that planet > > > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my > > > understanding, > > > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its > > > exaltation or > > > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table > > > showing the > > > >

exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this > >further > > > clarifies > > > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table > > > doesn't > > > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation% > > > 20revisited.htm > > > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that > >in > > > KP, this > > > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet). > > > > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > > Exalted > > > > Debilitated > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > 10 Degrees Aries > > > > 10 Degrees Libra > > >

> > > > > Moon > > > > 03 Degrees Taurus > > > > 03 Degrees Scorpio > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > 28 Degrees Capricorn > > > > 28 Degrees Cancer > > > > > > > > Mercury > > > > 15 Degrees Virgo > > > > 15 Degrees Pisces > > > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > 05 Degrees Cancer > > > > 05 Degrees Capricorn > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > 27 Degrees Pisces > > > > 27 Degrees Virgo > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > 20 Libra > > > > 20 Degrees Aries > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > 20 Degrees Taurus > > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio > > > > > > > > Ketu

> > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio > > > > 20 Degrees Taurus > > > > > > > > <sandy@t...> > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy > > > > Crowther > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

April 25, 2005

Dear Balaji and others,

One thing I would like to point out is KP System is not clearly and

coherently presented in his Readers. For example, you will find

writings by people other than KSK in his Readers (at least the 6

volumes). I have heard that KSK originally published only two volumes

and that his sons later expanded these to six. If KSK were alive

today, the KP system would probably have been quite different from

what it is believed to be today.

Anyway, what I am coming to is that in the absence of an authoritative

description of what KP system is, there is bound to be a lot of

confusion about the theory, philosophy and application of the system.

I have myself raised a few questions on the apparent contradictions

found in the Readers and elsewhere. So I am afraid I cannot fully

agree with your statement " ...is a well tested,certified one " . There

have been postings of " incorrect " answers by members to some puzzles

suggested by Ron earlier that indicate that something is not quite

right. If the system is " perfect " as you believe it is, then why is

there failure? I am not talking of beginners like me failing, but of

some senior veterans. Why is this happening?

EVEN if the system is " tested and certified " , why should we be averse

to newer ideas? A good astrologer, I feel, should have an open mind,

do a lot of research and accept new findings if proved to work. If KSK

were alive today, he would have done just that.

Let us be tolerant of and be receptive to ideas that are not found in

the core " KP " theory. If a member comes up with a novel idea, let

those who wish to comment on the idea respond. If the idea is found to

be flawed let members provide " objective " and " fair " criticism. This

is always welcome. But let us not reject an idea outright without

assessing it. After all, the forum is for " exchange " of ideas, and not

for " thrusting " one's opinion (whether correct or unfounded) on others.

I feel really sorry that Sandy is upset. She is a great astrologer.

Although she comes from a strong western perspective, she is deeply

attached to KP system. I request members to go and take a look at her

website www.jupitersweb.com. She has so much useful information on KP

system that all of us can benefit by going thru it. I am hoping she

will continue to contribute to this group.

By the way, let me pose this challenge to those who claim they have

understood KP: Predict whether Sandy will return to this group.

After all, action speaks louder than words.

Regards,

Rangarajan

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear Rangarajanji and all,

>

> To my great guruji sri.K.S.K or to me,defaming anything or stopping

anybody is not the intention rather the essence of science should be

known to all for a better prediction..I would say very accurate

prediction.

>

> When graham bell invented a phone,it is not a cordless.Today,Mobile

phones are available with video display.How.Let we shed the old things

which is not useful or correct and take which gives

success,time-saving,accurate results.

>

> Great Guruji Sri.K.S.K and his hundreds of students have done a

laborious research by spending many years and many good things.They

have shown us a path in thier books,articles and message.Then,why we

should again look back.Atleast to respect his system which as I told

before is a well tested,certified one.If we are given a driving

license by the govt through right means and with right persons,(I mean

all legal),why we should again go for a driving class to learn the

learnt things.

>

> As a lover of astro science,I dont want to hurt anybody's sentiments

or feelings but my strong point here is in K.P forum let we talk about

K.P only and if we can develop something good from here like judging a

match,finding the blood group of a man,etc....Thats research in the

right line.Using K.P anything can be done provided right understanding

of the subject and clear mind.

>

> I cannot intervene in others tastes and preferences.

>

> FOR ALL REF:K.P & ASTROLOGY 1995,A very detailed article written by

Great Guruji Sri.K.S.K

> " HOW TO JUDGE A NATIVITY " ,PAGE NO,47 LAST PARA..

>

> PLS EVERYBODY WHO TALKS ABOUT EXALTATION GO THROUGH THIS.....HAVE A

CLEAR MIND.

>

> with regards

> Balaji G

>

> Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Balaji,

> I definitely accept your observation that in his early research days

> KSK might have tried many ideas from the traditional system. One of

> the things missing in his Readers is the history and chronology. How

> can one know what he tried earlier but gave up later?

>

> Please understand that all my comments and questions are merely to

> understand KP system better and is not intended to challenge any idea

> or anyone.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " Balaji G.krishnan "

> <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > Dear Rangarajanji and all,

> >

> > We all should understand a point that any newly invented theories of

> today comes from the old existing principles and also when a correct

> solution has to be find using a system during great guruji's day..

> >

> > just imagine for a while, when transportation is not that much

> good,no computer,no awareness among the public,etc.In these

> situations,guruji taken the traditional astrology and done a great

> research only for a simple reason that to prove astrology is a

> science.A universally applicable system,easy to work and

> understand,etc are some of his goals.

> >

> > So,in early days of his research the articles written by him gives

> the flavour of traditional approach also.But finally after his mamoth

> efforts alnog with his devoted students has given a point that " NO

> PLANETS CAN EXALTED OR DEBILITATED AND EVEN IF SO,THIS DOES NOT AFFECT

> RESULTS AS PER K.P APPROACH " .

> > SO,the topic of exaltation,debilitation,Dasaporutham,Mars

> dosha,remedies,gemmology all are handled by him for research purpose

> and finally his findings are that everything is based on karma as

> given in his First reader.The planet Jupiter can kill,defame,spoil a

> man and saturn can bless him with good married life or child in his

> period as per the signification thats what karma of us.

> >

> > Thats what Bhagvat gita says whatever has happened has happened well.

> >

> > Lord krishna says : " do your duty and I will decide the results " .

> >

> > So dear learned members and Mr.Rangarajan,Please understand the

> essence of K.P and apply it with clear knowledge.

> >

> > With regards

> > Balaji G

> >

> > Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rangrajan ji,

> >

> > Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about

> Exaltation/Debilitation .

> >

> > regards

> >

> > kanak

> >

> > > " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...>

> > >

> > > Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply

> to Balaji

> > >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000

> > >

> > >Dear Balaji,

> > >Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress

> > >exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms

> > >in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page

> > >145:

> > > " In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of

> > >a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good

> > >or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the

> > >content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the

> > >content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the

> > >constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to

> > >diamond in a small packet... "

> > >

> > >Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and

> > >debilitation?

> > >

> > >Regards,

> > >Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , " Balaji G.krishnan "

> > ><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > > > Dear sandy and all,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on

> > >debilitation and exaltation of planets.

> > > >

> > > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is " no

> > >planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives the results

> > >only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar

> > >theory.

> > > >

> > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many

charts

> > >having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated

> > >gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub

> > >lord theory.

> > > >

> > > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic

> > >astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the

> > >truth is that we are not hitting the right spot.

> > > >

> > > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the

> > >foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to

> > >divert else with other insignificant rules.

> > > >

> > > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in

this

> > >modern world.

> > > >

> > > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody.

> > > >

> > > > With regards

> > > > Balaji G

> > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sandy,

> > > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand

> > >what

> > > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results " at snails

pace "

> > > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . Does this affect

> > > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective

> > > > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't

see

> > > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can

> > >affect

> > > > this.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rangarajan

> > > >

> > > > , " Sandy Crowther "

> > > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly

what

> > > > Exaltation

> > > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So

> > > > below is a

> > > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my

> > > > humble attempt

> > > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and

> > > > their usage in

> > > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary

> > > > teachings of the

> > > > > KP system.

> > > > >

> > > > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the

influence

> > > > of his star

> > > > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord.

With

> > > > that in

> > > > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately

> > > > offer the

> > > > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in

> > > > addition to the

> > > > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself,

offers

> > > > the results

> > > > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically

> > > > each planet

> > > > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet

> > >combine

> > > > their

> > > > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or

> > >not.

> > > > ( If

> > > > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet

will

> > > > act can be

> > > > > found in my article

> > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord%

> > > > 20function.ht

> > > > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?)

> > > > >

> > > > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer?

> > > > > Several indicators are simply " givens " in KP, and must not only

> > >be

> > > > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized

> > >into

> > > > your

> > > > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to

> > > > sizing up an

> > > > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that

> > > > leave the

> > > > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the

planet's

> > > > exalted or

> > > > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems

prevalent

> > > > in KP

> > > > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the

8th

> > > > or 12th

> > > > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a

planet is

> > > > in a

> > > > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house?

How do

> > > > we assess

> > > > > these results?

> > > > >

> > > > > Exaltation and debilitation are " strength " and " weakness "

> > > > indicators

> > > > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an

> > > > idea of how

> > > > > much " muscle " (strength or weakness) the planet carries -

within

> > > > its

> > > > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house

> > > > placement.

> > > > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in

> > > > the 12th,

> > > > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the

12th

> > > > house, but

> > > > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to

> > >quickly

> > > > carry out

> > > > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will

> > > > therefore

> > > > > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a

> > >very

> > > > timely

> > > > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and

with

> > > > no delay,

> > > > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his

exalted

> > > > status. He

> > > > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring

> > >not

> > > > that he

> > > > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events.

> > >He's

> > > > just

> > > > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the

> > > > planet has

> > > > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to

> > > > his star

> > > > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse

> > > > results that

> > > > > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results

> > > > pleasant. This is

> > > > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it

> > > > part of their

> > > > > role as " strength indicators " for a planet. The planets do not

> > > > give contrary

> > > > > results due to their strength status.

> > > > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good

> > > > house but in

> > > > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still

> > > > carry out the

> > > > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his

> > > > strength factor

> > > > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So

> > >the

> > > > result is

> > > > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but

not in

> > >a

> > > > timely

> > > > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough

> > > > strength to

> > > > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he

> > >is

> > > > not happy

> > > > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is

> > > > debilitated, but

> > > > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but

NOT

> > > > in a manner

> > > > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be

> > >carried

> > > > out at a

> > > > > snails pace.

> > > > >

> > > > > More Apparent " Strength " Confusion:

> > > > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to

the

> > > > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet

> > > > considered

> > > > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in

the

> > > > respective

> > > > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is

> > >considered

> > > > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus

> > >is

> > > > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The

> > > > answer to this

> > > > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and

> > >weaknesses

> > > > that need

> > > > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to

> > > > assessing these

> > > > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter,

> > >when

> > > > posited at

> > > > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why?

> > >Jupiter

> > > > is exalted

> > > > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in

> > >place

> > > > and

> > > > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status

to be

> > > > truly

> > > > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing

> > > > planetary

> > > > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated

> > > > simply because

> > > > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is

> > > > incorrect - the

> > > > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine

whether

> > > > that planet

> > > > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my

> > > > understanding,

> > > > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its

> > > > exaltation or

> > > > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table

> > > > showing the

> > > > > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this

> > >further

> > > > clarifies

> > > > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at

> > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation%

> > > > 20revisited.htm

> > > > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that

> > >in

> > > > KP, this

> > > > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a

planet).

> > > > >

> > > > > Planet

> > > > > Exalted

> > > > > Debilitated

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > 10 Degrees Aries

> > > > > 10 Degrees Libra

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > 03 Degrees Taurus

> > > > > 03 Degrees Scorpio

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > 28 Degrees Capricorn

> > > > > 28 Degrees Cancer

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > 15 Degrees Virgo

> > > > > 15 Degrees Pisces

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter

> > > > > 05 Degrees Cancer

> > > > > 05 Degrees Capricorn

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > 27 Degrees Pisces

> > > > > 27 Degrees Virgo

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > 20 Libra

> > > > > 20 Degrees Aries

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > > >

> > > > > Ketu

> > > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > > >

> > > > > <sandy@t...>

> > > > >

> > > > > All the Best,

> > > > >

> > > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif>

Sandy

> > > > > Crowther

> > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> > > >

April 25, 2005

Dear Balaji,

Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress

exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms

in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page

145:

" In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of

a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good

or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the

content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the

content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the

constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to

diamond in a small packet... "

Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and

debilitation?

Regards,

Rangarajan

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear sandy and all,

>

> I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on

debilitation and exaltation of planets.

>

> One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is " no

planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives the results

only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar

theory.

>

> More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts

having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated

gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub

lord theory.

>

> So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic

astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the

truth is that we are not hitting the right spot.

>

> I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the

foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to

divert else with other insignificant rules.

>

> K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this

modern world.

>

> Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody.

>

> With regards

> Balaji G

> Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand

what

> you mean by a debilitated planet offering results " at snails pace "

> or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . Does this affect

> timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective

> significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see

> how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can

affect

> this.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " Sandy Crowther "

> <sandycrowther@a...> wrote:

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what

> Exaltation

> > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So

> below is a

> > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my

> humble attempt

> > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and

> their usage in

> > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary

> teachings of the

> > KP system.

> >

> > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence

> of his star

> > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With

> that in

> > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately

> offer the

> > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in

> addition to the

> > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers

> the results

> > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically

> each planet

> > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet

combine

> their

> > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or

not.

> ( If

> > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will

> act can be

> > found in my article

> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord%

> 20function.ht

> > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?)

> >

> > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer?

> > Several indicators are simply " givens " in KP, and must not only

be

> > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized

into

> your

> > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to

> sizing up an

> > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that

> leave the

> > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's

> exalted or

> > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent

> in KP

> > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th

> or 12th

> > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is

> in a

> > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do

> we assess

> > these results?

> >

> > Exaltation and debilitation are " strength " and " weakness "

> indicators

> > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an

> idea of how

> > much " muscle " (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within

> its

> > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house

> placement.

> > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in

> the 12th,

> > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th

> house, but

> > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to

quickly

> carry out

> > the functions for his position in any given house, and will

> therefore

> > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a

very

> timely

> > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with

> no delay,

> > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted

> status. He

> > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring

not

> that he

> > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events.

He's

> just

> > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the

> planet has

> > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to

> his star

> > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse

> results that

> > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results

> pleasant. This is

> > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it

> part of their

> > role as " strength indicators " for a planet. The planets do not

> give contrary

> > results due to their strength status.

> > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good

> house but in

> > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still

> carry out the

> > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his

> strength factor

> > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So

the

> result is

> > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in

a

> timely

> > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough

> strength to

> > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he

is

> not happy

> > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is

> debilitated, but

> > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT

> in a manner

> > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be

carried

> out at a

> > snails pace.

> >

> > More Apparent " Strength " Confusion:

> > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the

> > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet

> considered

> > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in the

> respective

> > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is

considered

> > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus

is

> > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The

> answer to this

> > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and

weaknesses

> that need

> > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to

> assessing these

> > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter,

when

> posited at

> > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why?

Jupiter

> is exalted

> > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in

place

> and

> > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be

> truly

> > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing

> planetary

> > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated

> simply because

> > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is

> incorrect - the

> > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether

> that planet

> > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my

> understanding,

> > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its

> exaltation or

> > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table

> showing the

> > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this

further

> clarifies

> > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table

> doesn't

> > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation%

> 20revisited.htm

> > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that

in

> KP, this

> > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet).

> >

> > Planet

> > Exalted

> > Debilitated

> >

> > Sun

> > 10 Degrees Aries

> > 10 Degrees Libra

> >

> > Moon

> > 03 Degrees Taurus

> > 03 Degrees Scorpio

> >

> > Mars

> > 28 Degrees Capricorn

> > 28 Degrees Cancer

> >

> > Mercury

> > 15 Degrees Virgo

> > 15 Degrees Pisces

> >

> > Jupiter

> > 05 Degrees Cancer

> > 05 Degrees Capricorn

> >

> > Venus

> > 27 Degrees Pisces

> > 27 Degrees Virgo

> >

> > Saturn

> > 20 Libra

> > 20 Degrees Aries

> >

> > Rahu

> > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> >

> > Ketu

> > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > 20 Degrees Taurus

> >

> > <sandy@t...>

> >

> > All the Best,

> >

> <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy

> > Crowther

> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

April 25, 2005

Dear Rangrajan ji,

Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about Exaltation/Debilitation .

regards

kanak

>"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga

>

> Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply to Balaji

>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000

>

>Dear Balaji,

>Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress

>exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms

>in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page

>145:

>" In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of

>a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good

>or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the

>content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the

>content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the

>constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to

>diamond in a small packet..."

>

>Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and

>debilitation?

>

>Regards,

>Rangarajan

>

> , "Balaji G.krishnan"

><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > Dear sandy and all,

> >

> > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on

>debilitation and exaltation of planets.

> >

> > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is "no

>planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P".Planets gives the results

>only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar

>theory.

> >

> > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts

>having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated

>gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub

>lord theory.

> >

> > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic

>astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the

>truth is that we are not hitting the right spot.

> >

> > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the

>foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to

>divert else with other insignificant rules.

> >

> > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this

>modern world.

> >

> > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody.

> >

> > With regards

> > Balaji G

> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sandy,

> > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand

>what

> > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results "at snails pace"

> > or an exalted planet offering results "quickly". Does this affect

> > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective

> > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see

> > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can

>affect

> > this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , "Sandy Crowther"

> > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote:

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what

> > Exaltation

> > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So

> > below is a

> > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my

> > humble attempt

> > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and

> > their usage in

> > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary

> > teachings of the

> > > KP system.

> > >

> > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence

> > of his star

> > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With

> > that in

> > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately

> > offer the

> > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in

> > addition to the

> > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers

> > the results

> > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically

> > each planet

> > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet

>combine

> > their

> > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or

>not.

> > ( If

> > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will

> > act can be

> > > found in my article

> > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord%

> > 20function.ht

> > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?)

> > >

> > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer?

> > > Several indicators are simply "givens" in KP, and must not only

>be

> > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized

>into

> > your

> > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to

> > sizing up an

> > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that

> > leave the

> > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's

> > exalted or

> > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent

> > in KP

> > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th

> > or 12th

> > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is

> > in a

> > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do

> > we assess

> > > these results?

> > >

> > > Exaltation and debilitation are "strength" and "weakness"

> > indicators

> > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an

> > idea of how

> > > much "muscle" (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within

> > its

> > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house

> > placement.

> > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in

> > the 12th,

> > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th

> > house, but

> > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to

>quickly

> > carry out

> > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will

> > therefore

> > > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a

>very

> > timely

> > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with

> > no delay,

> > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted

> > status. He

> > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring

>not

> > that he

> > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events.

>He's

> > just

> > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the

> > planet has

> > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to

> > his star

> > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse

> > results that

> > > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results

> > pleasant. This is

> > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it

> > part of their

> > > role as "strength indicators" for a planet. The planets do not

> > give contrary

> > > results due to their strength status.

> > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good

> > house but in

> > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still

> > carry out the

> > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his

> > strength factor

> > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So

>the

> > result is

> > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in

>a

> > timely

> > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough

> > strength to

> > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he

>is

> > not happy

> > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is

> > debilitated, but

> > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT

> > in a manner

> > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be

>carried

> > out at a

> > > snails pace.

> > >

> > > More Apparent "Strength" Confusion:

> > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the

> > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet

> > considered

> > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in the

> > respective

> > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is

>considered

> > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus

>is

> > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The

> > answer to this

> > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and

>weaknesses

> > that need

> > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to

> > assessing these

> > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter,

>when

> > posited at

> > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why?

>Jupiter

> > is exalted

> > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in

>place

> > and

> > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be

> > truly

> > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing

> > planetary

> > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated

> > simply because

> > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is

> > incorrect - the

> > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether

> > that planet

> > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my

> > understanding,

> > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its

> > exaltation or

> > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table

> > showing the

> > > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this

>further

> > clarifies

> > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table

> > doesn't

> > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at

> > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation%

> > 20revisited.htm

> > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that

>in

> > KP, this

> > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet).

> > >

> > > Planet

> > > Exalted

> > > Debilitated

> > >

> > > Sun

> > > 10 Degrees Aries

> > > 10 Degrees Libra

> > >

> > > Moon

> > > 03 Degrees Taurus

> > > 03 Degrees Scorpio

> > >

> > > Mars

> > > 28 Degrees Capricorn

> > > 28 Degrees Cancer

> > >

> > > Mercury

> > > 15 Degrees Virgo

> > > 15 Degrees Pisces

> > >

> > > Jupiter

> > > 05 Degrees Cancer

> > > 05 Degrees Capricorn

> > >

> > > Venus

> > > 27 Degrees Pisces

> > > 27 Degrees Virgo

> > >

> > > Saturn

> > > 20 Libra

> > > 20 Degrees Aries

> > >

> > > Rahu

> > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > >

> > > Ketu

> > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > >

> > > <sandy@t...>

> > >

> > > All the Best,

> > >

> > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy

> > > Crowther

> > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

April 25, 2005

Dear Rangarajanji and all,

We all should understand a point that any newly invented theories of today comes from the old existing principles and also when a correct solution has to be find using a system during great guruji's day..

just imagine for a while, when transportation is not that much good,no computer,no awareness among the public,etc.In these situations,guruji taken the traditional astrology and done a great research only for a simple reason that to prove astrology is a science.A universally applicable system,easy to work and understand,etc are some of his goals.

So,in early days of his research the articles written by him gives the flavour of traditional approach also.But finally after his mamoth efforts alnog with his devoted students has given a point that "NO PLANETS CAN EXALTED OR DEBILITATED AND EVEN IF SO,THIS DOES NOT AFFECT RESULTS AS PER K.P APPROACH".

SO,the topic of exaltation,debilitation,Dasaporutham,Mars dosha,remedies,gemmology all are handled by him for research purpose and finally his findings are that everything is based on karma as given in his First reader.The planet Jupiter can kill,defame,spoil a man and saturn can bless him with good married life or child in his period as per the signification thats what karma of us.

Thats what Bhagvat gita says whatever has happened has happened well.

Lord krishna says :"do your duty and I will decide the results".

So dear learned members and Mr.Rangarajan,Please understand the essence of K.P and apply it with clear knowledge.

With regards

Balaji GKanak Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:

Dear Rangrajan ji,

Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about Exaltation/Debilitation .

regards

kanak

>"Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy" <ranga > > > Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply to Balaji >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000 > > >Dear Balaji, >Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress >exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms >in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page >145: >" In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of >a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good >or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the >content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the >content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the >constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to >diamond in a small packet..." > >Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and >debilitation? > >Regards, >Rangarajan > > , "Balaji G.krishnan" ><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote: > > Dear sandy and all, > > > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on >debilitation and exaltation of planets. > > > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is "no >planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P".Planets gives the results >only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar >theory. > > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts >having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated >gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub >lord theory. > > > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic >astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the >truth is that we are not hitting the right spot. > > > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the >foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to >divert else with other insignificant rules. > > > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this >modern world. > > > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody. > > > > With regards > > Balaji G > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand >what > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results "at snails pace" > > or an exalted planet offering results "quickly". Does this affect > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective > > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can >affect > > this. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , "Sandy Crowther" > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what > > Exaltation > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So > > below is a > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my > > humble attempt > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and > > their usage in > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary > > teachings of the > > > KP system. > > > > > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence > > of his star > > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With > > that in > > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately > > offer the > > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in > > addition to the > > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers > > the results > > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically > > each planet > > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet >combine > > their > > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or >not. > > ( If > > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will > > act can be > > > found in my article > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord% > > 20function.ht > > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?) > > > > > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer? > > > Several indicators are simply "givens" in KP, and must not only >be > > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized >into > > your > > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to > > sizing up an > > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that > > leave the > > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's > > exalted or > > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent > > in KP > > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th > > or 12th > > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is > > in a > > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do > > we assess > > > these results? > > > > > > Exaltation and debilitation are "strength" and "weakness" > > indicators > > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an > > idea of how > > > much "muscle" (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within > > its > > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house > > placement. > > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in > > the 12th, > > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th > > house, but > > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to >quickly > > carry out > > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will > > therefore > > > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a >very > > timely > > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with > > no delay, > > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted > > status. He > > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring >not > > that he > > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events. >He's > > just > > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the > > planet has > > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to > > his star > > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse > > results that > > > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results > > pleasant. This is > > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it > > part of their > > > role as "strength indicators" for a planet. The planets do not > > give contrary > > > results due to their strength status. > > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good > > house but in > > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still > > carry out the > > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his > > strength factor > > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So >the > > result is > > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in >a > > timely > > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough > > strength to > > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he >is > > not happy > > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is > > debilitated, but > > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT > > in a manner > > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be >carried > > out at a > > > snails pace. > > > > > > More Apparent "Strength" Confusion: > > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the > > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet > > considered > > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in the > > respective > > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is >considered > > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus >is > > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The > > answer to this > > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and >weaknesses > > that need > > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to > > assessing these > > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter, >when > > posited at > > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why? >Jupiter > > is exalted > > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in >place > > and > > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be > > truly > > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing > > planetary > > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated > > simply because > > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is > > incorrect - the > > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether > > that planet > > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my > > understanding, > > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its > > exaltation or > > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table > > showing the > > > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this >further > > clarifies > > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table > > doesn't > > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation% > > 20revisited.htm > > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that >in > > KP, this > > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet). > > > > > > > > > Planet > > > Exalted > > > Debilitated > > > > > > Sun > > > 10 Degrees Aries > > > 10 Degrees Libra > > > > > > Moon > > > 03 Degrees Taurus > > > 03 Degrees Scorpio > > > > > > Mars > > > 28 Degrees Capricorn > > > 28 Degrees Cancer > > > > > > Mercury > > > 15 Degrees Virgo > > > 15 Degrees Pisces > > > > > > Jupiter > > > 05 Degrees Cancer > > > 05 Degrees Capricorn > > > > > > Venus > > > 27 Degrees Pisces > > > 27 Degrees Virgo > > > > > > Saturn > > > 20 Libra > > > 20 Degrees Aries > > > > > > Rahu > > > 20 Degrees Taurus > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio > > > > > > Ketu > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio > > > 20 Degrees Taurus > > > > > > <sandy@t...> > > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy > > > Crowther > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

April 25, 2005

Dear Balaji,

I definitely accept your observation that in his early research days

KSK might have tried many ideas from the traditional system. One of

the things missing in his Readers is the history and chronology. How

can one know what he tried earlier but gave up later?

Please understand that all my comments and questions are merely to

understand KP system better and is not intended to challenge any idea

or anyone.

Regards,

Rangarajan

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear Rangarajanji and all,

>

> We all should understand a point that any newly invented theories of

today comes from the old existing principles and also when a correct

solution has to be find using a system during great guruji's day..

>

> just imagine for a while, when transportation is not that much

good,no computer,no awareness among the public,etc.In these

situations,guruji taken the traditional astrology and done a great

research only for a simple reason that to prove astrology is a

science.A universally applicable system,easy to work and

understand,etc are some of his goals.

>

> So,in early days of his research the articles written by him gives

the flavour of traditional approach also.But finally after his mamoth

efforts alnog with his devoted students has given a point that " NO

PLANETS CAN EXALTED OR DEBILITATED AND EVEN IF SO,THIS DOES NOT AFFECT

RESULTS AS PER K.P APPROACH " .

> SO,the topic of exaltation,debilitation,Dasaporutham,Mars

dosha,remedies,gemmology all are handled by him for research purpose

and finally his findings are that everything is based on karma as

given in his First reader.The planet Jupiter can kill,defame,spoil a

man and saturn can bless him with good married life or child in his

period as per the signification thats what karma of us.

>

> Thats what Bhagvat gita says whatever has happened has happened well.

>

> Lord krishna says : " do your duty and I will decide the results " .

>

> So dear learned members and Mr.Rangarajan,Please understand the

essence of K.P and apply it with clear knowledge.

>

> With regards

> Balaji G

>

> Kanak Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Rangrajan ji,

>

> Givere ferences of prectical example in reader about

Exaltation/Debilitation .

>

> regards

>

> kanak

>

> > " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy " <ranga@m...>

> >

> > Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited - Reply

to Balaji

> >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:01:57 -0000

> >

> >Dear Balaji,

> >Although most of us agree that KP System does not seem to stress

> >exaltation and debilitation, one can find references to these terms

> >in KP Readers. For example, see the last para of 6th Reader, Page

> >145:

> > " In K.P. (a) if a planet is exalted but is in the constellation of

> >a planet in debilitation, the extent to which it can do either good

> >or bad is limited. A container (the planet) may be big but the

> >content is a cheap affair (lord of the constellation is the

> >content). But a debilitated planet (small planet) in the

> >constellation of a planet in exaltation (costly gems) is similar to

> >diamond in a small packet... "

> >

> >Doesn't this suggest that KSK attached some value to exaltation and

> >debilitation?

> >

> >Regards,

> >Rangarajan

> >

> > , " Balaji G.krishnan "

> ><balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > > Dear sandy and all,

> > >

> > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on for a longtime on

> >debilitation and exaltation of planets.

> > >

> > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great guruji K.S.K is " no

> >planet is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives the results

> >only by source of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar

> >theory.

> > >

> > > More over,you can very well see personally on your own many charts

> >having exalted planets gives adverse results and planets debilitated

> >gives good results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and sub

> >lord theory.

> > >

> > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional astrology or vedic

> >astrology,we can use those concepts for our satisfaction but the

> >truth is that we are not hitting the right spot.

> > >

> > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to understand the

> >foundation rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not to

> >divert else with other insignificant rules.

> > >

> > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most scientific method in this

> >modern world.

> > >

> > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not to hurt anybody.

> > >

> > > With regards

> > > Balaji G

> > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sandy,

> > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think I understand

> >what

> > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results " at snails pace "

> > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . Does this affect

> > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of the effective

> > > significators along with transits to establish timing. I can't see

> > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely put it) can

> >affect

> > > this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , " Sandy Crowther "

> > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Group,

> > > >

> > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion about exactly what

> > > Exaltation

> > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of a KP chart. So

> > > below is a

> > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, followed by my

> > > humble attempt

> > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and debilitation, and

> > > their usage in

> > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic and primary

> > > teachings of the

> > > > KP system.

> > > >

> > > > What we know already is that a planet moving under the influence

> > > of his star

> > > > lord, will act according to the dictates of that star lord. With

> > > that in

> > > > mind, we are also well aware that the planet will predominately

> > > offer the

> > > > results of the house in which the star lord is posited, in

> > > addition to the

> > > > house(s) owned by the star lord. Then, the planet itself, offers

> > > the results

> > > > of the house it occupies and the house(s) it owns. So basically

> > > each planet

> > > > has a role to play, and both the star lord and the planet

> >combine

> > > their

> > > > influence to determine whether the event will be favorable or

> >not.

> > > ( If

> > > > unfamiliar with this concept, more examples of how a planet will

> > > act can be

> > > > found in my article

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_How%20does%20the%20dasha%20lord%

> > > 20function.ht

> > > > m> KP: How Does the Dasha Lord Function?)

> > > >

> > > > So what exactly does Exalted or Debilitated infer?

> > > > Several indicators are simply " givens " in KP, and must not only

> >be

> > > > considered, but must also be both integrated and synthesized

> >into

> > > your

> > > > analysis before a final determination is made. But according to

> > > sizing up an

> > > > event, only the house results are offered - so where does that

> > > leave the

> > > > sign effects that the planet is placed in - such as the planet's

> > > exalted or

> > > > debilitated status? Here is where much confusion seems prevalent

> > > in KP

> > > > assessments- especially when a planet is badly placed in the 8th

> > > or 12th

> > > > house, but simultaneously exalted in status. Or when a planet is

> > > in a

> > > > debilitated state, but posited in the benefic 11th house? How do

> > > we assess

> > > > these results?

> > > >

> > > > Exaltation and debilitation are " strength " and " weakness "

> > > indicators

> > > > respectively, and therefore their specific job is to give us an

> > > idea of how

> > > > much " muscle " (strength or weakness) the planet carries - within

> > > its

> > > > environment - to carry out its function determined by its house

> > > placement.

> > > > So if a planet is strong due to exaltation, but badly placed in

> > > the 12th,

> > > > the planet does not change its role and become good for the 12th

> > > house, but

> > > > rather the effects are that the planet will not hasten to

> >quickly

> > > carry out

> > > > the functions for his position in any given house, and will

> > > therefore

> > > > quickly bring about loss (or other 12th house function) in a

> >very

> > > timely

> > > > manner. Why? Because he has the strength to act quickly and with

> > > no delay,

> > > > and he is very comfortable where he is positioned in his exalted

> > > status. He

> > > > works fast because he is in a happy and exalted state - caring

> >not

> > > that he

> > > > is working quickly to bring about less than fortunate events.

> >He's

> > > just

> > > > doing his job with the muscle provided to do it with. When the

> > > planet has

> > > > established a set of results that need to be carried out due to

> > > his star

> > > > level placement, exaltation does not absolve him of the adverse

> > > results that

> > > > need to be carried out, and subsequently make the results

> > > pleasant. This is

> > > > simply not the way exaltation and debilitation work, nor is it

> > > part of their

> > > > role as " strength indicators " for a planet. The planets do not

> > > give contrary

> > > > results due to their strength status.

> > > > So, also, do we judge the effects of a planet posited in a good

> > > house but in

> > > > the state of debilitation. This debilitated planet will still

> > > carry out the

> > > > positive acts for the house in which he is posited, but his

> > > strength factor

> > > > will not allow him to do so quickly or in a timely manner. So

> >the

> > > result is

> > > > that he will eventually bring the good effects about, but not in

> >a

> > > timely

> > > > manner or with speed under his wings. He only carries enough

> > > strength to

> > > > respond to his mission in a slow and delayed manner because he

> >is

> > > not happy

> > > > being posited where he is and at the degree at which he is

> > > debilitated, but

> > > > he has a job to do and will carry it out and do his job, but NOT

> > > in a manner

> > > > contrary to what his position indicates - it will just be

> >carried

> > > out at a

> > > > snails pace.

> > > >

> > > > More Apparent " Strength " Confusion:

> > > > Now the KP confusion I'm seeing frequently, and the catch to the

> > > > exaltation/debilitation game is this...Exactly WHEN is a planet

> > > considered

> > > > to be exalted or debilitated? Is is just by being posited in the

> > > respective

> > > > signs of exaltation or debilitation - such as Jupiter is

> >considered

> > > > debilitated simply because he is posited in Capricorn? Or Venus

> >is

> > > > considered exalted just because she is posited in Pisces? The

> > > answer to this

> > > > question is no! There are refinements to strengths and

> >weaknesses

> > > that need

> > > > to be addressed before blanket statements are made due to

> > > assessing these

> > > > planetary strengths and weaknesses. For example, is Jupiter,

> >when

> > > posited at

> > > > 15 Cancer, considered to be in an exalted state? No! Why?

> >Jupiter

> > > is exalted

> > > > at 05 Cancer - not at 15 degrees Cancer. Orbs must be set in

> >place

> > > and

> > > > respected for the effects of exalted or debilitated status to be

> > > truly

> > > > effective - sign positions alone are irrelevant when assessing

> > > planetary

> > > > strengths. So to say that a planet is exalted or debilitated

> > > simply because

> > > > it is posited in its sign of exaltation or debilitation is

> > > incorrect - the

> > > > degrees of the sign placement are necessary to determine whether

> > > that planet

> > > > is truly in an exalted or debilitated state. According to my

> > > understanding,

> > > > the KP preferred orb allowance is 50' on either side of its

> > > exaltation or

> > > > debilitation degree - (less than a degree). Below is a Table

> > > showing the

> > > > exalted and debilitated placements. I sincerely hope this

> >further

> > > clarifies

> > > > the position of exaltation versus debilitation. (If the Table

> > > doesn't

> > > > transmit, I have also uploaded this to my site at

> > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_exaltation.debilitation%

> > > 20revisited.htm

> > > > (With reference to Navamsha positions, my take on this is that

> >in

> > > KP, this

> > > > varga has been used to further refine the strength of a planet).

> > > >

> > > > Planet

> > > > Exalted

> > > > Debilitated

> > > >

> > > > Sun

> > > > 10 Degrees Aries

> > > > 10 Degrees Libra

> > > >

> > > > Moon

> > > > 03 Degrees Taurus

> > > > 03 Degrees Scorpio

> > > >

> > > > Mars

> > > > 28 Degrees Capricorn

> > > > 28 Degrees Cancer

> > > >

> > > > Mercury

> > > > 15 Degrees Virgo

> > > > 15 Degrees Pisces

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > 05 Degrees Cancer

> > > > 05 Degrees Capricorn

> > > >

> > > > Venus

> > > > 27 Degrees Pisces

> > > > 27 Degrees Virgo

> > > >

> > > > Saturn

> > > > 20 Libra

> > > > 20 Degrees Aries

> > > >

> > > > Rahu

> > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > >

> > > > Ketu

> > > > 20 Degrees Scorpio

> > > > 20 Degrees Taurus

> > > >

> > > > <sandy@t...>

> > > >

> > > > All the Best,

> > > >

> > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/40.gif> Sandy

> > > > Crowther

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> > >

April 25, 2005