Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Dear Group, I have been answering many private emails, and I'm sorry the email below made it to the list - it was meant to be sent to Sunil privately, but I forgot to change the address. Big oops! Carry on...:-) All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Sandy Crowther Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:01 PM RE: Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited Dear Sunil, Thanks for your support. I feel the list has been hijacked by a few who have little understanding of the basic and core elements of astrology - KP and otherwise - and have taken it upon themselves to preach to the rest what they must accept and what they must reject. It appears to me they simply crave an audience for the sake of having an audience - and this is not in the spirit of Jyotish. These same people appear to have a compromised astrological understanding, have discredited credibility, and are now running the show like little Hitler's. Wisdom cannot fall on closed minds and deaf ears, so best for me to remain silent because I'm not a fighter and will not set myself up for another attack. I dislike (immensely) unwarranted and unfounded controversy. So when the urge strikes to write, I'll just write articles for my website and avoid the hassle of list chaos. :-) Thanks. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Sunil Joshi Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:41 AM Re: Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited Dear Sandy, I fully agree with Punitji's views.You are an asset to our group.Please do not move away. Sunil D.Joshi. --- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Sandy ji, > > I am unable to understand the reason behind your > upset. In a forum of 600 > members, few will be takers of your thought and few > will no be. Everyone > works his/ her own way. But as a group policy, no > one is ever restricted to > present new thoughts and ideas. I myself, though the > strong believer of KP, > use ideas from various different branches of > astrology as that works for me. > But you should never think that your ideas/ research > will be accepted so > early. It took years to Sri KSK to get his research > accepted. You will have > to wait and work patiently, only that way you views > can be useful for > others. You will have to supplement your research/ > views with sufficient > examples. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 4/25/05, Sandy Crowther > <sandycrowther wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, Rangarajan, Kanak, and Group, > > So as to offend no one anymore on this list, this > will be my final post > > here. I simply have no time for this controversy > and I am tired of > > inadvertently upsetting someone over here by a > post meant to be of > > astrological help. I have frequently hesitated to > post on this KP list > > simply because the lid seems to be already tightly > closed on the KP System > > over here, opinions here are strong and forceful, > and further investigation > > is strongly discouraged. I find no acceptance here > at all for further > > research by any seasoned individuals who are > researched inclined and have > > spent years studying astrology - and being forced > to stay within the > > parameters of how someone else perceives the > teachings of Prof. K.S.K is > > simply not acceptable to me. So I will shut my > mouth. No hard feelings - I > > simply have no time for this nonsense. I've done > my homework and therefore I > > blindly follow no one at this stage of my life. We > all have different > > experiences and different opinions, and I value > the individuality present in > > each of us, but personally will not continue to > feel the need to watch my > > back at every post - it's a waste of my time. > Having read Prof K.S.K.'sReaders myself, I am of the > opinion that Prof. > > K.S.K strongly encouraged research by serious > astrologers or students of > > astrology and that his system was not meant to be > a " closed system " at all, > > but that is my opinion and perception of his > writings, and not my call to > > make here on this list. Others here have perceived > his writings and word as > > the final word on KP with no additional research > or investigation needed, > > and that is their decision to make and their path > to follow also - and I can > > respect that. But to keep peace and save myself > time I don't have in writing > > posts like this one, I will keep my opinions to > myself from this point on. > > My final comments... > > I've been studying and practicing astrology for > the good part of 35 > > years, and in my not so humble opinion, assessing > planetary strength need > > not be thrown out simple because it is > misunderstood, incorrectly applied, > > or because we use the star lord and sub lord > theory in KP. One is compatible > > with the other. Yes - I have seen cases where > where supposed debilitation > > didn't work and neither did exaltation for some > astrologers - and in those > > cases, upon closer inspection I found that these > planetary strengths were > > not applied correctly - hence the reason for my > post on > > exaltation/debilitation. So am I going to throw > these concepts out? Not a > > chance. My goal is to attain predictive accuracy - > my goal is NOT to walk in > > restricted astrological areas - I've already been > there and done that, and > > that leaves no room for either personal or > professional growth if one is > > research inclined. > > To Ranjarajan - I apologize for the confusion. > " At a snails pace " is a > > western term and means moving slowly or > sluggishly. It is a terminology used > > simply to reiterate the fact that a debilitated > planet is not happy in his > > surroundings, and is in no immediate hurry to do > what is expected of him. > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > ** > *On > > Behalf Of *Balaji G.krishnan > > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2005 3:42 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Re: > Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited > > > > Dear sandy and all, > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on > for a longtime on > > debilitation and exaltation of planets. > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great > guruji K.S.K is " no planet > > is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives > the results only by source > > of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar > theory. > > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your > own many charts having > > exalted planets gives adverse results and planets > debilitated gives good > > results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and > sub lord theory. > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional > astrology or vedic > > astrology,we can use those concepts for our > satisfaction but the truth is > > that we are not hitting the right spot. > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to > understand the foundation > > rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not > to divert else with other > > insignificant rules. > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most > scientific method in this modern > > world. > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not > to hurt anybody. > > With regards > > Balaji G > > *Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga* > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think > I understand what > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results > " at snails pace " > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . > Does this affect > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of > the effective > > significators along with transits to establish > timing. I can't see > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely > put it) can affect > > this. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " Sandy > Crowther " > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion > about exactly what > > Exaltation > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of > a KP chart. So > > below is a > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, > followed by my > > humble attempt > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and > debilitation, and > > their usage in > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic > and === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Sunil, Thanks for your support. I feel the list has been hijacked by a few who have little understanding of the basic and core elements of astrology - KP and otherwise - and have taken it upon themselves to preach to the rest what they must accept and what they must reject. It appears to me they simply crave an audience for the sake of having an audience - and this is not in the spirit of Jyotish. These same people appear to have a compromised astrological understanding, have discredited credibility, and are now running the show like little Hitler's. Wisdom cannot fall on closed minds and deaf ears, so best for me to remain silent because I'm not a fighter and will not set myself up for another attack. I dislike (immensely) unwarranted and unfounded controversy. So when the urge strikes to write, I'll just write articles for my website and avoid the hassle of list chaos. :-) Thanks. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Sunil Joshi Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:41 AM Re: Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited Dear Sandy, I fully agree with Punitji's views.You are an asset to our group.Please do not move away. Sunil D.Joshi. --- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Sandy ji, > > I am unable to understand the reason behind your > upset. In a forum of 600 > members, few will be takers of your thought and few > will no be. Everyone > works his/ her own way. But as a group policy, no > one is ever restricted to > present new thoughts and ideas. I myself, though the > strong believer of KP, > use ideas from various different branches of > astrology as that works for me. > But you should never think that your ideas/ research > will be accepted so > early. It took years to Sri KSK to get his research > accepted. You will have > to wait and work patiently, only that way you views > can be useful for > others. You will have to supplement your research/ > views with sufficient > examples. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 4/25/05, Sandy Crowther > <sandycrowther wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, Rangarajan, Kanak, and Group, > > So as to offend no one anymore on this list, this > will be my final post > > here. I simply have no time for this controversy > and I am tired of > > inadvertently upsetting someone over here by a > post meant to be of > > astrological help. I have frequently hesitated to > post on this KP list > > simply because the lid seems to be already tightly > closed on the KP System > > over here, opinions here are strong and forceful, > and further investigation > > is strongly discouraged. I find no acceptance here > at all for further > > research by any seasoned individuals who are > researched inclined and have > > spent years studying astrology - and being forced > to stay within the > > parameters of how someone else perceives the > teachings of Prof. K.S.K is > > simply not acceptable to me. So I will shut my > mouth. No hard feelings - I > > simply have no time for this nonsense. I've done > my homework and therefore I > > blindly follow no one at this stage of my life. We > all have different > > experiences and different opinions, and I value > the individuality present in > > each of us, but personally will not continue to > feel the need to watch my > > back at every post - it's a waste of my time. > Having read Prof K.S.K.'sReaders myself, I am of the > opinion that Prof. > > K.S.K strongly encouraged research by serious > astrologers or students of > > astrology and that his system was not meant to be > a " closed system " at all, > > but that is my opinion and perception of his > writings, and not my call to > > make here on this list. Others here have perceived > his writings and word as > > the final word on KP with no additional research > or investigation needed, > > and that is their decision to make and their path > to follow also - and I can > > respect that. But to keep peace and save myself > time I don't have in writing > > posts like this one, I will keep my opinions to > myself from this point on. > > My final comments... > > I've been studying and practicing astrology for > the good part of 35 > > years, and in my not so humble opinion, assessing > planetary strength need > > not be thrown out simple because it is > misunderstood, incorrectly applied, > > or because we use the star lord and sub lord > theory in KP. One is compatible > > with the other. Yes - I have seen cases where > where supposed debilitation > > didn't work and neither did exaltation for some > astrologers - and in those > > cases, upon closer inspection I found that these > planetary strengths were > > not applied correctly - hence the reason for my > post on > > exaltation/debilitation. So am I going to throw > these concepts out? Not a > > chance. My goal is to attain predictive accuracy - > my goal is NOT to walk in > > restricted astrological areas - I've already been > there and done that, and > > that leaves no room for either personal or > professional growth if one is > > research inclined. > > To Ranjarajan - I apologize for the confusion. > " At a snails pace " is a > > western term and means moving slowly or > sluggishly. It is a terminology used > > simply to reiterate the fact that a debilitated > planet is not happy in his > > surroundings, and is in no immediate hurry to do > what is expected of him. > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > ** > *On > > Behalf Of *Balaji G.krishnan > > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2005 3:42 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Re: > Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited > > > > Dear sandy and all, > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on > for a longtime on > > debilitation and exaltation of planets. > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great > guruji K.S.K is " no planet > > is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives > the results only by source > > of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar > theory. > > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your > own many charts having > > exalted planets gives adverse results and planets > debilitated gives good > > results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and > sub lord theory. > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional > astrology or vedic > > astrology,we can use those concepts for our > satisfaction but the truth is > > that we are not hitting the right spot. > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to > understand the foundation > > rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not > to divert else with other > > insignificant rules. > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most > scientific method in this modern > > world. > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not > to hurt anybody. > > With regards > > Balaji G > > *Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga* > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think > I understand what > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results > " at snails pace " > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . > Does this affect > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of > the effective > > significators along with transits to establish > timing. I can't see > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely > put it) can affect > > this. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " Sandy > Crowther " > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion > about exactly what > > Exaltation > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of > a KP chart. So > > below is a > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, > followed by my > > humble attempt > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and > debilitation, and > > their usage in > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic > and === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Group, I have been answering many private emails, and I'm sorry the email below made it to the list - it was meant to be sent to Sunil privately, but I forgot to change the address. Big oops! Carry on...:-) All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Sandy Crowther Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:01 PM RE: Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited Dear Sunil, Thanks for your support. I feel the list has been hijacked by a few who have little understanding of the basic and core elements of astrology - KP and otherwise - and have taken it upon themselves to preach to the rest what they must accept and what they must reject. It appears to me they simply crave an audience for the sake of having an audience - and this is not in the spirit of Jyotish. These same people appear to have a compromised astrological understanding, have discredited credibility, and are now running the show like little Hitler's. Wisdom cannot fall on closed minds and deaf ears, so best for me to remain silent because I'm not a fighter and will not set myself up for another attack. I dislike (immensely) unwarranted and unfounded controversy. So when the urge strikes to write, I'll just write articles for my website and avoid the hassle of list chaos. :-) Thanks. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com On Behalf Of Sunil Joshi Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:41 AM Re: Re: Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited Dear Sandy, I fully agree with Punitji's views.You are an asset to our group.Please do not move away. Sunil D.Joshi. --- Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Sandy ji, > > I am unable to understand the reason behind your > upset. In a forum of 600 > members, few will be takers of your thought and few > will no be. Everyone > works his/ her own way. But as a group policy, no > one is ever restricted to > present new thoughts and ideas. I myself, though the > strong believer of KP, > use ideas from various different branches of > astrology as that works for me. > But you should never think that your ideas/ research > will be accepted so > early. It took years to Sri KSK to get his research > accepted. You will have > to wait and work patiently, only that way you views > can be useful for > others. You will have to supplement your research/ > views with sufficient > examples. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On 4/25/05, Sandy Crowther > <sandycrowther wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji, Rangarajan, Kanak, and Group, > > So as to offend no one anymore on this list, this > will be my final post > > here. I simply have no time for this controversy > and I am tired of > > inadvertently upsetting someone over here by a > post meant to be of > > astrological help. I have frequently hesitated to > post on this KP list > > simply because the lid seems to be already tightly > closed on the KP System > > over here, opinions here are strong and forceful, > and further investigation > > is strongly discouraged. I find no acceptance here > at all for further > > research by any seasoned individuals who are > researched inclined and have > > spent years studying astrology - and being forced > to stay within the > > parameters of how someone else perceives the > teachings of Prof. K.S.K is > > simply not acceptable to me. So I will shut my > mouth. No hard feelings - I > > simply have no time for this nonsense. I've done > my homework and therefore I > > blindly follow no one at this stage of my life. We > all have different > > experiences and different opinions, and I value > the individuality present in > > each of us, but personally will not continue to > feel the need to watch my > > back at every post - it's a waste of my time. > Having read Prof K.S.K.'sReaders myself, I am of the > opinion that Prof. > > K.S.K strongly encouraged research by serious > astrologers or students of > > astrology and that his system was not meant to be > a " closed system " at all, > > but that is my opinion and perception of his > writings, and not my call to > > make here on this list. Others here have perceived > his writings and word as > > the final word on KP with no additional research > or investigation needed, > > and that is their decision to make and their path > to follow also - and I can > > respect that. But to keep peace and save myself > time I don't have in writing > > posts like this one, I will keep my opinions to > myself from this point on. > > My final comments... > > I've been studying and practicing astrology for > the good part of 35 > > years, and in my not so humble opinion, assessing > planetary strength need > > not be thrown out simple because it is > misunderstood, incorrectly applied, > > or because we use the star lord and sub lord > theory in KP. One is compatible > > with the other. Yes - I have seen cases where > where supposed debilitation > > didn't work and neither did exaltation for some > astrologers - and in those > > cases, upon closer inspection I found that these > planetary strengths were > > not applied correctly - hence the reason for my > post on > > exaltation/debilitation. So am I going to throw > these concepts out? Not a > > chance. My goal is to attain predictive accuracy - > my goal is NOT to walk in > > restricted astrological areas - I've already been > there and done that, and > > that leaves no room for either personal or > professional growth if one is > > research inclined. > > To Ranjarajan - I apologize for the confusion. > " At a snails pace " is a > > western term and means moving slowly or > sluggishly. It is a terminology used > > simply to reiterate the fact that a debilitated > planet is not happy in his > > surroundings, and is in no immediate hurry to do > what is expected of him. > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > ** > *On > > Behalf Of *Balaji G.krishnan > > *Sent:* Monday, April 25, 2005 3:42 AM > > *To:* > > *Subject:* Re: Re: > Exaltation/Debilitation Revisited > > > > Dear sandy and all, > > I am sorry to intervene the discussion going on > for a longtime on > > debilitation and exaltation of planets. > > One of the major welcoming findings of Great > guruji K.S.K is " no planet > > is debilitated or exalted in K.P " .Planets gives > the results only by source > > of its star lord...thats why it is called stellar > theory. > > > > More over,you can very well see personally on your > own many charts having > > exalted planets gives adverse results and planets > debilitated gives good > > results.Why??...Thats the secret of starlord and > sub lord theory. > > So,may be as a practitioner of traditional > astrology or vedic > > astrology,we can use those concepts for our > satisfaction but the truth is > > that we are not hitting the right spot. > > I request all the K.P astrologers again to > understand the foundation > > rules and findings of great guruji K.S.K and not > to divert else with other > > insignificant rules. > > K.P is time-tested,well refined and most > scientific method in this modern > > world. > > Its a message for all true K.P followers and not > to hurt anybody. > > With regards > > Balaji G > > *Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga* > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Thanks for a nice posting. However, I don't think > I understand what > > you mean by a debilitated planet offering results > " at snails pace " > > or an exalted planet offering results " quickly " . > Does this affect > > timing then? We normally use conjoined period of > the effective > > significators along with transits to establish > timing. I can't see > > how planetary dignity (its strength as you nicely > put it) can affect > > this. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , " Sandy > Crowther " > > <sandycrowther@a...> wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > There appears to be some prevailing confusion > about exactly what > > Exaltation > > > and Debilitation actually mean in evaluation of > a KP chart. So > > below is a > > > brief overview of the planetary interactions, > followed by my > > humble attempt > > > at explaining the effects of exaltation and > debilitation, and > > their usage in > > > KP, according to my understanding of the basic > and === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear friends, I would add some more observation.: While analysing the prospects of some aspects[like job, marriage etc], for getting the positive or negative results exaltation/deblitation or enemy house etc do not matter. But if the planets involved [star, sub or significator of sub or planet whose dasa/bhukti is being analysed] are exalted or satisfied, the results will be obtained in smooth or dignfied way. And if planets involved are deblitated or in enemy camp or eclipsed the results may be positive but these may not be smooth and dignfied. However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not depend on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if I got her correctly] that deblitated planets results would be obtained at snail pace. So for characterstics of involved persons or events are to be seen with respect to sign of the planet's postings. Definately Venus -- loving and peaceful planets never feels easy with analysing and dissecting and non-emotional-- Virgo sign characterstics. etc. InderVohra , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > In Kp we are paying much importance to the fructification of some > events. Or we are looking for job, marriage, money prospects etc. > > We analyse these with reference to house of gains[upchaya houses] > 2,3,6,10, & 11 to find out the correct results. > > Because these are important aspects of life [ gains ], Kp is much > liked as it point out exact results. > > However, planets in deblitation and exaltation have their signficance > in many ways. > Like say an extereme hypothetical case,in Leo lagna star lord is Sun > and sublord is Venus which is posted in star of Sun in Libra. Now > here deblitation effect of Sun will be highly pronouced. > The native will have problems of trust in his life, he will not be > relable, weak in his attachments.Lack of courage will also be visisble. > > In the above case as Sun is chief significator of 1st house and being > deblitated will give such negative results. It is another matter if > this Sun is again signfy some Upchaya house to give gains to the > native inspite of his negative traits. > > Similarly Mars deblitation [Mars signfying lagna in KP way] may make > person weak in strenght, employ unhealthy practices, crooked nature, > drinking habits. > > Similarly other planets have their characterstics. > > Sun chief representative of lagna[kp way] if exalted may give native a > strong character, optimism, arrogance,assertive, victorious.[ but its > significance of 8th and 12th may not give him any benefits in life]. > > Exaltation/Deblitation will definately show their effect if seen in > these perspective. > Same way if deblitated planets are representing 7th cusp, or 3rd cusp, > the problem area is life partner or brother etc. > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Inder, >> However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not >>depend on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if >>I got her correctly] that deblitated planets results would be >>obtained at snail pace. For the benefit of KP learners, let me say that your view is cotradictotry to KP, i.e. M.P. Shanmugam's contribution in Astrosectrets & KP, Part 1, pp 33-37, which, in fact, Sandy is referring. Bset regrds, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > I would add some more observation.: > While analysing the prospects of some aspects[like job, marriage > etc], for getting the positive or negative results > exaltation/deblitation or enemy house etc do not matter. > But if the planets involved [star, sub or significator of sub or > planet whose dasa/bhukti is being analysed] are exalted or > satisfied, the results will be obtained in smooth or dignfied way. > > And if planets involved are deblitated or in enemy camp or eclipsed > the results may be positive but these may not be smooth and dignfied. > > However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not depend > on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if I got her > correctly] that deblitated planets results would be obtained at > snail pace. > > So for characterstics of involved persons or events are to be seen > with respect to sign of the planet's postings. > > Definately Venus -- loving and peaceful planets never feels easy > with analysing and dissecting and non-emotional-- Virgo sign > characterstics. etc. > InderVohra > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > In Kp we are paying much importance to the fructification of some > > events. Or we are looking for job, marriage, money prospects etc. > > > > We analyse these with reference to house of gains[upchaya houses] > > 2,3,6,10, & 11 to find out the correct results. > > > > Because these are important aspects of life [ gains ], Kp is much > > liked as it point out exact results. > > > > However, planets in deblitation and exaltation have their > signficance > > in many ways. > > Like say an extereme hypothetical case,in Leo lagna star lord is > Sun > > and sublord is Venus which is posted in star of Sun in Libra. Now > > here deblitation effect of Sun will be highly pronouced. > > The native will have problems of trust in his life, he will not be > > relable, weak in his attachments.Lack of courage will also be > visisble. > > > > In the above case as Sun is chief significator of 1st house and > being > > deblitated will give such negative results. It is another matter > if > > this Sun is again signfy some Upchaya house to give gains to the > > native inspite of his negative traits. > > > > Similarly Mars deblitation [Mars signfying lagna in KP way] may > make > > person weak in strenght, employ unhealthy practices, crooked > nature, > > drinking habits. > > > > Similarly other planets have their characterstics. > > > > Sun chief representative of lagna[kp way] if exalted may give > native a > > strong character, optimism, arrogance,assertive, victorious.[ but > its > > significance of 8th and 12th may not give him any benefits in > life]. > > > > Exaltation/Deblitation will definately show their effect if seen > in > > these perspective. > > Same way if deblitated planets are representing 7th cusp, or 3rd > cusp, > > the problem area is life partner or brother etc. > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear friends, I would add some more observation.: While analysing the prospects of some aspects[like job, marriage etc], for getting the positive or negative results exaltation/deblitation or enemy house etc do not matter. But if the planets involved [star, sub or significator of sub or planet whose dasa/bhukti is being analysed] are exalted or satisfied, the results will be obtained in smooth or dignfied way. And if planets involved are deblitated or in enemy camp or eclipsed the results may be positive but these may not be smooth and dignfied. However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not depend on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if I got her correctly] that deblitated planets results would be obtained at snail pace. So for characterstics of involved persons or events are to be seen with respect to sign of the planet's postings. Definately Venus -- loving and peaceful planets never feels easy with analysing and dissecting and non-emotional-- Virgo sign characterstics. etc. InderVohra , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > In Kp we are paying much importance to the fructification of some > events. Or we are looking for job, marriage, money prospects etc. > > We analyse these with reference to house of gains[upchaya houses] > 2,3,6,10, & 11 to find out the correct results. > > Because these are important aspects of life [ gains ], Kp is much > liked as it point out exact results. > > However, planets in deblitation and exaltation have their signficance > in many ways. > Like say an extereme hypothetical case,in Leo lagna star lord is Sun > and sublord is Venus which is posted in star of Sun in Libra. Now > here deblitation effect of Sun will be highly pronouced. > The native will have problems of trust in his life, he will not be > relable, weak in his attachments.Lack of courage will also be visisble. > > In the above case as Sun is chief significator of 1st house and being > deblitated will give such negative results. It is another matter if > this Sun is again signfy some Upchaya house to give gains to the > native inspite of his negative traits. > > Similarly Mars deblitation [Mars signfying lagna in KP way] may make > person weak in strenght, employ unhealthy practices, crooked nature, > drinking habits. > > Similarly other planets have their characterstics. > > Sun chief representative of lagna[kp way] if exalted may give native a > strong character, optimism, arrogance,assertive, victorious.[ but its > significance of 8th and 12th may not give him any benefits in life]. > > Exaltation/Deblitation will definately show their effect if seen in > these perspective. > Same way if deblitated planets are representing 7th cusp, or 3rd cusp, > the problem area is life partner or brother etc. > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Inder, >> However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not >>depend on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if >>I got her correctly] that deblitated planets results would be >>obtained at snail pace. For the benefit of KP learners, let me say that your view is cotradictotry to KP, i.e. M.P. Shanmugam's contribution in Astrosectrets & KP, Part 1, pp 33-37, which, in fact, Sandy is referring. Bset regrds, tw , " Inder " <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > I would add some more observation.: > While analysing the prospects of some aspects[like job, marriage > etc], for getting the positive or negative results > exaltation/deblitation or enemy house etc do not matter. > But if the planets involved [star, sub or significator of sub or > planet whose dasa/bhukti is being analysed] are exalted or > satisfied, the results will be obtained in smooth or dignfied way. > > And if planets involved are deblitated or in enemy camp or eclipsed > the results may be positive but these may not be smooth and dignfied. > > However my view is that quickness/delay of results will not depend > on exaltation/deblitation as Sandy is intending to say[if I got her > correctly] that deblitated planets results would be obtained at > snail pace. > > So for characterstics of involved persons or events are to be seen > with respect to sign of the planet's postings. > > Definately Venus -- loving and peaceful planets never feels easy > with analysing and dissecting and non-emotional-- Virgo sign > characterstics. etc. > InderVohra > > , " Inder " <indervohra2001> > wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > In Kp we are paying much importance to the fructification of some > > events. Or we are looking for job, marriage, money prospects etc. > > > > We analyse these with reference to house of gains[upchaya houses] > > 2,3,6,10, & 11 to find out the correct results. > > > > Because these are important aspects of life [ gains ], Kp is much > > liked as it point out exact results. > > > > However, planets in deblitation and exaltation have their > signficance > > in many ways. > > Like say an extereme hypothetical case,in Leo lagna star lord is > Sun > > and sublord is Venus which is posted in star of Sun in Libra. Now > > here deblitation effect of Sun will be highly pronouced. > > The native will have problems of trust in his life, he will not be > > relable, weak in his attachments.Lack of courage will also be > visisble. > > > > In the above case as Sun is chief significator of 1st house and > being > > deblitated will give such negative results. It is another matter > if > > this Sun is again signfy some Upchaya house to give gains to the > > native inspite of his negative traits. > > > > Similarly Mars deblitation [Mars signfying lagna in KP way] may > make > > person weak in strenght, employ unhealthy practices, crooked > nature, > > drinking habits. > > > > Similarly other planets have their characterstics. > > > > Sun chief representative of lagna[kp way] if exalted may give > native a > > strong character, optimism, arrogance,assertive, victorious.[ but > its > > significance of 8th and 12th may not give him any benefits in > life]. > > > > Exaltation/Deblitation will definately show their effect if seen > in > > these perspective. > > Same way if deblitated planets are representing 7th cusp, or 3rd > cusp, > > the problem area is life partner or brother etc. > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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