Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Dear Shri Anant Raichur, 1. Many thanks for your explanations. Although conjunction/aspects are weak and rarely used as significators of fifth level, they may play an important role in, a/ changing the results of planets/cusps which are conjuct/aspect by other planets, b/ judging the effects of tricky Rahu/Kethu as a planet/ Starlord/Sublord, and c/ taking into account of conjc/aspt as significators in the cases where significators of first to fourth level are not found, which has practically applicable and useful in exceptional real cases. 2. That is why I'll come back to this issue after studying-- a) Kuppu Ganapathi's articles, (i) KP & Astrology Year Book (KPAYB), 1999, pp 88-90, (ii) KPAYB 2000, pp 42-49, (iii) KPAYB 2004, pp 15- 17, and (iv) KPAYB 2005, pp 23-28; b) KSK's expalanation of Western aspects and a very few applied points found by Rangarajan and myself. (I couldn't respond to Rangarajan's finding how to apply Westren aspects because I don't know how far to go with the idea of Western aspects.) 3. I got KP Reader III, Nineth Edition, Jan 2004. Not yet found any significant changes or additions, for example in p 149 under Marriage " 2 is ruled by Sun. ---Kethu is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11) " controversy is the same; in p 387, in Guruji KSK's chart, a clear printing error of Moon position of 12-27 Cp is knowingly unchanged as around 11-52 Cp shown in p 252 of Astrosecrets, Part1 and p 15 of Notable Persons & KP; some changes like in Contents 23. " Time of Marriage " in place of " Marriage Time " and addition of " About the Author " for which I feel worthy to buy the current edition because KSK's bio & chart analysis can be filled up with his travel dates of June 1970 to KL & Nov 1970 to Sri Lanka to make my elder KP brother (with two-volume verssion of KP) back home happy. Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Tin Win > > Thanks for your post. Traditionally we have 2 states UCCHA and PARAMUCCHA. Uccha is > > exaltion--when full siggn is taken. PARAMUCCHA when the Exact Degree is taken. > > In shadbalas also, the Stregth is suppossed to vary from full at ParamUcha degree to zero at > > Debilitation. The strength is assesed for actual postion by rule of 3. > > KSK recommends Western aspects with orbs, but in his examples uses the Hindoo Aspects. > > Mr. Kuppu Ganapathy uses only western aspects. I am modifying the SW just to give the > > position of a Planet being Exalted/Debilitated. I am now using an orb 0f 3 deg (slighly less than > > a Nakshtra Pada). It is upto to the USER to determine how to use this information in prediction. > > Hope it clears the matter > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > 1. I love your honesty again. > > 2. Before modifying the exaltaion only if within +/- the 3 deg of the > actual degree, I would like to draw your attention --- > > a) Saturn is lord of 11 and 12. It is in 7th house. It is exalted > (with 5:03 compared to actual 20 deg). (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, > p 204, possibly in later edition p 377) > > b) Sun is exalted (with 7:50 compared to 10 deg), Jupiter is in own > sign. Both are stronger. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 144) > > c) 11th house is occupied by exalted Jupiter (1:09 compared to 5 > deg) . (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 190) > > d) A planet is strong when it is in its own or exalted sign. It is > weak or afflicted in its detriment or fall (debilitated) sign. > Nakshatra Chintamani, p 20; Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani, > p 9) Note: Any practical example not yet found. > > 3. Of course, it wiil be really significant within 3 deg. The above > quotes are just for information and taking only sign is perhaps for > simplicity purpose like Hindu aspect, taking the same ayanamsa for > any DOB during the whole year. > > 4. I hope Rangarajan is also following this development for his > KPAstro 2.0. > > 5. I'll let you know when I get new Reader III, about any changes in > the current addition with compared to my old one. > > With highest regards, > > Tin Win , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear Tin Win > > > > Thanks. The 1993 edition the same are given. This goes to show that > KSK had used the > > > > qualities denoted by Exaltaion/Debilitation. In fact, in my SW I > show the planets in Exaltaion > > > > and in Own House. I will now modify to show the exaltaion only if > within +/- the 3 deg of the > > > > actual degree, will also indicate the Debilitation for easy > reference. > > > > To be honest, not being a professional astrologer, I have not gone > thru the 4th reader in > > > > detail. > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Rachur, > > > > Since I'm not yet sure to receive the current addition of KP Reader > > III to-morrow to check the changes in new edition, below are KSK > > quotes as part of all quotes in Msg #4013. > > > > 1) Abortion takes place in that month if that planet ruling that > > month ill-posted and adversely aspected. Miscarraige will be in that > > month rued by the planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader > > IV, 1984, p 220, under " Pregnancy " after " Adoption " , before Eunchs) > > > > 2) Further the sublord is in neechcha with the above mentioned > > Sun. (i.e. Mars is debilitated.) (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 231, > > under " When Will I Have a Child? after " Any Child at All " , > > before " When My Daughter Deliver ? " below the second chart with DOB > > 8-8-1936) > > > > > > With highest regards, > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > wrote: > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > please quote the headings/sub-heading where in KP READER 4 1984 > > edition the > > > > > > matter has been referred. I have a 1993 sixth edition of KP > Fourth > > reader, Marriage,Married > > > Life, and children. > > > > > > I am sceptical of later editions of the KP Readers, as it is > > appears that some matters > > > > > > not in the original editions, have been added on the advise of > the > > advisors to the authors/ > > > > > > or authorities revising the older editions. > > > > > > Prof KSK was very critical of Traditional astrology,as then > > practiced. So it is surprising > > > to note that he refers to Navamas/ Debilitations etc. > > > > > > KSK has in his readers referred to the Strength of planets,that > > has to be considered. > > > > > > Since the Planet is the Lamp, which gives the rays of Light, The > > Star Lord being the Lens > > > > > > ..... It is rational to consider the strength of the planet, > > whether it is Strong/Weak. > > > > > > Only in that condition and for that particular determination, one > > could use the > > > Navamsa chart. If planet is in the same sign in both > > Lagna/Navamasa, it is VARGOTTAM and > > > considered strong to give results. If debilitated, naturally the > > results will be weak/ poor > > > > > > This is my personal view. > > > > > > > > > " Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: > > > Dear tw853 > > > > > > Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being > > member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted > > follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning > > K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P. > > > > > > I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is > > new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the > > matters of a subject,that is why we are here. > > > > > > For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics > > of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can > > understand my point. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > Balaji G > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read > > them > > > first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing > > > strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from > > > Vedic remedies group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Balaji G.krishnan " > > > wrote: > > > > Dear tw853 > > > > > > > > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about > > > navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages > > mentioned > > > by you. > > > > But first time this article I am reading deeply. > > > > > > > > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is > > > debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead > > us > > > to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?. > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Balaji G > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreekumar, > > > > > > > > Regarding DEBILITATION effect, > > > > > > > > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in > > > > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220) > > > > > > > > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned > > > Sun--- > > > > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231- > > > 232) > > > > > > > > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it > is > > > in > > > > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will > > be > > > > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreekumar, > > > > > > > > > > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > > > > > > > > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by > > side > > > > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION > > > his > > > > > PENSION); > > > > > > > > > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect > > > both > > > > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not > > > > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, > is > > > > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80; > > > > > > > > > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes > > Navamsa > > > in > > > > > his KP Readers I to VI. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Sreekumar ji, > > > > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked > > the > > > > idea > > > > > of > > > > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good > > place > > > to > > > > > getting the > > > > > > answer for your question number two. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members , > > > > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP > > > > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its > > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > thanks , > > > > > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Dear Shri Anant Raichur, 1. Many thanks for your explanations. Although conjunction/aspects are weak and rarely used as significators of fifth level, they may play an important role in, a/ changing the results of planets/cusps which are conjuct/aspect by other planets, b/ judging the effects of tricky Rahu/Kethu as a planet/ Starlord/Sublord, and c/ taking into account of conjc/aspt as significators in the cases where significators of first to fourth level are not found, which has practically applicable and useful in exceptional real cases. 2. That is why I'll come back to this issue after studying-- a) Kuppu Ganapathi's articles, (i) KP & Astrology Year Book (KPAYB), 1999, pp 88-90, (ii) KPAYB 2000, pp 42-49, (iii) KPAYB 2004, pp 15- 17, and (iv) KPAYB 2005, pp 23-28; b) KSK's expalanation of Western aspects and a very few applied points found by Rangarajan and myself. (I couldn't respond to Rangarajan's finding how to apply Westren aspects because I don't know how far to go with the idea of Western aspects.) 3. I got KP Reader III, Nineth Edition, Jan 2004. Not yet found any significant changes or additions, for example in p 149 under Marriage " 2 is ruled by Sun. ---Kethu is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11) " controversy is the same; in p 387, in Guruji KSK's chart, a clear printing error of Moon position of 12-27 Cp is knowingly unchanged as around 11-52 Cp shown in p 252 of Astrosecrets, Part1 and p 15 of Notable Persons & KP; some changes like in Contents 23. " Time of Marriage " in place of " Marriage Time " and addition of " About the Author " for which I feel worthy to buy the current edition because KSK's bio & chart analysis can be filled up with his travel dates of June 1970 to KL & Nov 1970 to Sri Lanka to make my elder KP brother (with two-volume verssion of KP) back home happy. Thanks and highest regards, Tin Win , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Tin Win > > Thanks for your post. Traditionally we have 2 states UCCHA and PARAMUCCHA. Uccha is > > exaltion--when full siggn is taken. PARAMUCCHA when the Exact Degree is taken. > > In shadbalas also, the Stregth is suppossed to vary from full at ParamUcha degree to zero at > > Debilitation. The strength is assesed for actual postion by rule of 3. > > KSK recommends Western aspects with orbs, but in his examples uses the Hindoo Aspects. > > Mr. Kuppu Ganapathy uses only western aspects. I am modifying the SW just to give the > > position of a Planet being Exalted/Debilitated. I am now using an orb 0f 3 deg (slighly less than > > a Nakshtra Pada). It is upto to the USER to determine how to use this information in prediction. > > Hope it clears the matter > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear Anant Raichur, > > 1. I love your honesty again. > > 2. Before modifying the exaltaion only if within +/- the 3 deg of the > actual degree, I would like to draw your attention --- > > a) Saturn is lord of 11 and 12. It is in 7th house. It is exalted > (with 5:03 compared to actual 20 deg). (KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, > p 204, possibly in later edition p 377) > > b) Sun is exalted (with 7:50 compared to 10 deg), Jupiter is in own > sign. Both are stronger. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 144) > > c) 11th house is occupied by exalted Jupiter (1:09 compared to 5 > deg) . (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 190) > > d) A planet is strong when it is in its own or exalted sign. It is > weak or afflicted in its detriment or fall (debilitated) sign. > Nakshatra Chintamani, p 20; Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani, > p 9) Note: Any practical example not yet found. > > 3. Of course, it wiil be really significant within 3 deg. The above > quotes are just for information and taking only sign is perhaps for > simplicity purpose like Hindu aspect, taking the same ayanamsa for > any DOB during the whole year. > > 4. I hope Rangarajan is also following this development for his > KPAstro 2.0. > > 5. I'll let you know when I get new Reader III, about any changes in > the current addition with compared to my old one. > > With highest regards, > > Tin Win , anant raichur > wrote: > > Dear Tin Win > > > > Thanks. The 1993 edition the same are given. This goes to show that > KSK had used the > > > > qualities denoted by Exaltaion/Debilitation. In fact, in my SW I > show the planets in Exaltaion > > > > and in Own House. I will now modify to show the exaltaion only if > within +/- the 3 deg of the > > > > actual degree, will also indicate the Debilitation for easy > reference. > > > > To be honest, not being a professional astrologer, I have not gone > thru the 4th reader in > > > > detail. > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Rachur, > > > > Since I'm not yet sure to receive the current addition of KP Reader > > III to-morrow to check the changes in new edition, below are KSK > > quotes as part of all quotes in Msg #4013. > > > > 1) Abortion takes place in that month if that planet ruling that > > month ill-posted and adversely aspected. Miscarraige will be in that > > month rued by the planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader > > IV, 1984, p 220, under " Pregnancy " after " Adoption " , before Eunchs) > > > > 2) Further the sublord is in neechcha with the above mentioned > > Sun. (i.e. Mars is debilitated.) (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 231, > > under " When Will I Have a Child? after " Any Child at All " , > > before " When My Daughter Deliver ? " below the second chart with DOB > > 8-8-1936) > > > > > > With highest regards, > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > > wrote: > > > Dear Tin Win > > > > > > please quote the headings/sub-heading where in KP READER 4 1984 > > edition the > > > > > > matter has been referred. I have a 1993 sixth edition of KP > Fourth > > reader, Marriage,Married > > > Life, and children. > > > > > > I am sceptical of later editions of the KP Readers, as it is > > appears that some matters > > > > > > not in the original editions, have been added on the advise of > the > > advisors to the authors/ > > > > > > or authorities revising the older editions. > > > > > > Prof KSK was very critical of Traditional astrology,as then > > practiced. So it is surprising > > > to note that he refers to Navamas/ Debilitations etc. > > > > > > KSK has in his readers referred to the Strength of planets,that > > has to be considered. > > > > > > Since the Planet is the Lamp, which gives the rays of Light, The > > Star Lord being the Lens > > > > > > ..... It is rational to consider the strength of the planet, > > whether it is Strong/Weak. > > > > > > Only in that condition and for that particular determination, one > > could use the > > > Navamsa chart. If planet is in the same sign in both > > Lagna/Navamasa, it is VARGOTTAM and > > > considered strong to give results. If debilitated, naturally the > > results will be weak/ poor > > > > > > This is my personal view. > > > > > > > > > " Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: > > > Dear tw853 > > > > > > Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being > > member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted > > follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning > > K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P. > > > > > > I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is > > new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the > > matters of a subject,that is why we are here. > > > > > > For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics > > of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can > > understand my point. > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > Balaji G > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Balaji, > > > > > > This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read > > them > > > first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing > > > strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from > > > Vedic remedies group. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Balaji G.krishnan " > > > wrote: > > > > Dear tw853 > > > > > > > > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about > > > navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages > > mentioned > > > by you. > > > > But first time this article I am reading deeply. > > > > > > > > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is > > > debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead > > us > > > to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?. > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > Balaji G > > > > > > > > tw853 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreekumar, > > > > > > > > Regarding DEBILITATION effect, > > > > > > > > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in > > > > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220) > > > > > > > > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned > > > Sun--- > > > > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231- > > > 232) > > > > > > > > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it > is > > > in > > > > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will > > be > > > > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreekumar, > > > > > > > > > > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > > > > > > > > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by > > side > > > > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION > > > his > > > > > PENSION); > > > > > > > > > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect > > > both > > > > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not > > > > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, > is > > > > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80; > > > > > > > > > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes > > Navamsa > > > in > > > > > his KP Readers I to VI. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Sreekumar ji, > > > > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked > > the > > > > idea > > > > > of > > > > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good > > place > > > to > > > > > getting the > > > > > > answer for your question number two. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members , > > > > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP > > > > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its > > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > thanks , > > > > > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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