debliation in navamsa

April 23, 2005

Dear Learned Members ,

1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

consider navamsha also in predicing events

2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

effects

thanks ,

Sreekumar

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April 23, 2005

Sreekumar ji,

KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea of divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to getting the answer for your question number two.

Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote:

Dear Learned Members ,

1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

consider navamsha also in predicing events

2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

effects

thanks ,

Sreekumar

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

April 23, 2005

Dear Sreekumar,

Regarding NAVAMSA,

1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side

in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his

PENSION);

2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect both

Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not

be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in

his KP Readers I to VI.

Best regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Sreekumar ji,

> KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea

of

> divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to

getting the

> answer for your question number two.

> Regards,

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Learned Members ,

> > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > effects

> > thanks ,

> > Sreekumar

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

> > ------------------------------

> > *

April 23, 2005

Dear Sreekumar,

Regarding DEBILITATION effect,

1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in

debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)

2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---

leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)

3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in

the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be

less. (KP Reader VI, p 255)

Best regards,

tw

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Sreekumar,

>

> Regarding NAVAMSA,

>

> 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side

> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his

> PENSION);

>

> 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect both

> Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not

> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

> included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

>

> 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in

> his KP Readers I to VI.

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Sreekumar ji,

> > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the

idea

> of

> > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to

> getting the

> > answer for your question number two.

> > Regards,

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > > effects

> > > thanks ,

> > > Sreekumar

> > >

> > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

> > > ------------------------------

> > > *

April 23, 2005

Dear tw853

It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages mentioned by you.

But first time this article I am reading deeply.

How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead us to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.

With regards

Balaji Gtw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Sreekumar,Regarding DEBILITATION effect,1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) Best regards,tw , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > PENSION); >

> 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > his KP Readers I to VI.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Sreekumar ji,> > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea > of > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to > getting the > > answer for your question number two.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > >

> > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP> > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > effects> > > thanks ,> > > Sreekumar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > ------------------------------> > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear Balaji,

This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read them

first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing

strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from

Vedic remedies group.

Best regards,

tw

, " Balaji G.krishnan "

<balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear tw853

>

> It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about

navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages mentioned

by you.

> But first time this article I am reading deeply.

>

> How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is

debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead us

to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.

>

> With regards

> Balaji G

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Sreekumar,

>

> Regarding DEBILITATION effect,

>

> 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in

> debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)

>

> 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned

Sun---

> leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-

232)

>

> 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is

in

> the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be

> less. (KP Reader VI, p 255)

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreekumar,

> >

> > Regarding NAVAMSA,

> >

> > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side

> > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION

his

> > PENSION);

> >

> > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect

both

> > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not

> > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

> > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

> >

> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa

in

> > his KP Readers I to VI.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > Sreekumar ji,

> > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the

> idea

> > of

> > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place

to

> > getting the

> > > answer for your question number two.

> > > Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > > > effects

> > > > thanks ,

> > > > Sreekumar

> > > >

> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://uk.messenger.

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear tw853

Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P.

I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the matters of a subject,that is why we are here.

For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can understand my point.

Thanks for your reply.

Balaji Gtw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Balaji,This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read them first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from Vedic remedies group. Best regards,tw , "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:> Dear tw853> > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages mentioned by you.> But first time this article I am reading deeply.> > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead us to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.> > With

regards> Balaji G> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,> > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)> > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---> leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)> > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) > > > Best regards,> > tw> > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Sreekumar,> > > > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa

charts side by side> > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > > PENSION); > > > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > > his KP Readers I to VI.> > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > > Sreekumar ji,> > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the > idea > > of > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to

> > getting the > > > answer for your question number two.> > > Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP> > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > > effects> > > > thanks ,> > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > ------------------------------> > > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear Tin Win

please quote the headings/sub-heading where in KP READER 4 1984 edition the

matter has been referred. I have a 1993 sixth edition of KP Fourth reader, Marriage,Married

Life, and children.

I am sceptical of later editions of the KP Readers, as it is appears that some matters

not in the original editions, have been added on the advise of the advisors to the authors/

or authorities revising the older editions.

Prof KSK was very critical of Traditional astrology,as then practiced. So it is surprising

to note that he refers to Navamas/ Debilitations etc.

KSK has in his readers referred to the Strength of planets,that has to be considered.

Since the Planet is the Lamp, which gives the rays of Light, The Star Lord being the Lens

...... It is rational to consider the strength of the planet, whether it is Strong/Weak.

Only in that condition and for that particular determination, one could use the

Navamsa chart. If planet is in the same sign in both Lagna/Navamasa, it is VARGOTTAM and

considered strong to give results. If debilitated, naturally the results will be weak/ poor

This is my personal view.

"Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan wrote:

Dear tw853

Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P.

I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the matters of a subject,that is why we are here.

For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can understand my point.

Thanks for your reply.

Balaji Gtw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Balaji,This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read them first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from Vedic remedies group. Best regards,tw , "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:> Dear tw853> > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages mentioned by you.> But first time this article I am reading deeply.> > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead us to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.> > With

regards> Balaji G> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,> > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)> > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---> leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)> > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) > > > Best regards,> > tw> > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Sreekumar,> > > > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa

charts side by side> > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > > PENSION); > > > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > > his KP Readers I to VI.> > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > > Sreekumar ji,> > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the > idea > > of > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to

> > getting the > > > answer for your question number two.> > > Regards,> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP> > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > > effects> > > > thanks ,> > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > ------------------------------> > > > *

April 24, 2005

Tw ji, All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri KSK was himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of classical astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary, significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has mentioned but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated, navamsha and 108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all these theories as his own theories were giving very good results. As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch of astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the system. If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with the improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized the Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249 division of zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much satisfied with the existing form of divisions hence he felt the need of another zodiac division for interpreting the chart.

Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the complexity of the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of interpreting it. It may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108 number based horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this system (page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and used 249 number based horary in place of 108 based horary.

My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all the times, not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean that those theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel well with KP.

Regards, Punit Pandey

On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Sreekumar,Regarding DEBILITATION effect,1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) Best regards,tw , " tw853 " <

tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > PENSION); > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect both > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > his KP Readers I to VI.> > Best regards,> > tw

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Sreekumar ji,

> > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea > of > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to > getting the > > answer for your question number two.

> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > effects> > > thanks ,> > > Sreekumar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.

> > > ------------------------------> > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear Learned Members of K.P System ,

Iam sorry , the question of navamsha triggered so many

hot discussion . It was not intentional. I generally follow

the traditional vedic system . There was no intention also

to show the vedic system was superior to K.P or vice versa.

I was trying to find an alternate opinion to my problem , thats

why i posed such question . I sincerly appologise for the same

Anyway i would like to share my personal

data here for your learned members here so that

it will throw some light to my problem . I have no kids

till date . My wife had a miscarriage nearly 1.5 years

back , still there is no luck seen in progeny .

My Dob : 21st December 1971

Time : 7:25 AM

Place : Palghat ( Palghat, INDIA: 10n47, 76e39, India )

My Wife Dob : 7th December 1976

Time : 6:10 AM

Place : Quilon, INDIA: 8n53, 76e36, India

Events : Our Marriage 6th May 2002

First Abortion : Around Aug Month 2003

The question why i raised of navamsha here was

for both of us 5th Lord is deblitated in Navamsha

Chart. I wanted an alternate opinion from

the learned members of K.P whether we will have

any issues or not

Sorry once again . Thanks for taking my question

thanks & regards

Sreekumar

Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Tw ji, All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri KSK was himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of classical astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary, significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has mentioned but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated, navamsha and 108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all these theories as his own theories were giving very good results. As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch of astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the system. If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with the improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized the Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249 division of zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much satisfied with the existing form of

divisions hence he felt the need of another zodiac division for interpreting the chart.

Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the complexity of the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of interpreting it. It may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108 number based horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this system (page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and used 249 number based horary in place of 108 based horary. My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all the times, not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean that those theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel well with KP. Regards, Punit Pandey

On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sreekumar,Regarding DEBILITATION effect,1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) Best regards,tw , "tw853" < tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > PENSION); > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > his KP Readers I to VI.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Sreekumar ji, > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea > of > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to > getting the > > answer for your question number two. > > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > effects> > > thanks ,> > > Sreekumar >

> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > ------------------------------> > > *

April 24, 2005

Sreekumar ji,

Don't worry about the discussion. In my opinion it is not al all hot. It is a discussion forum, and discussion on KP concepts seems perfectly all right to me.

Coming to your query, I see that you will be blessed with a child in the (your wife's) dasa of Jupiter/ Mercury i.e. in year 2006. I see that the present dasa of Jupiter/ Saturn is not conductive for the child-birth. I have few remedies/ suggestion which I'll write you in a separate mail as it has nothing to do with KP.

Regards,

Punit Pandey

On 4/24/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote:

Dear Learned Members of K.P System ,

Iam sorry , the question of navamsha triggered so many

hot discussion . It was not intentional. I generally follow

the traditional vedic system . There was no intention also

to show the vedic system was superior to K.P or vice versa.

I was trying to find an alternate opinion to my problem , thats

why i posed such question . I sincerly appologise for the same

Anyway i would like to share my personal

data here for your learned members here so that

it will throw some light to my problem . I have no kids

till date . My wife had a miscarriage nearly 1.5 years

back , still there is no luck seen in progeny .

My Dob : 21st December 1971

Time : 7:25 AM

Place : Palghat (

Palghat, INDIA: 10n47, 76e39, India )

My Wife Dob : 7th December 1976

Time : 6:10 AM

Place :

Quilon, INDIA: 8n53, 76e36, India

Events : Our Marriage 6th May 2002

First Abortion : Around Aug Month 2003

The question why i raised of navamsha here was

for both of us 5th Lord is deblitated in Navamsha

Chart. I wanted an alternate opinion from

the learned members of K.P whether we will have

any issues or not

Sorry once again . Thanks for taking my question

thanks & regards

Sreekumar

Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Tw ji, All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri KSK was himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of classical astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary, significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has mentioned but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated, navamsha and 108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all these theories as his own theories were giving very good results. As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch of astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the system. If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with the improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized the Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249 division of zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much satisfied with the existing form of divisions hence he felt the need of another zodiac division for interpreting the chart.

Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the complexity of the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of interpreting it. It may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108 number based horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this system (page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and used 249 number based horary in place of 108 based horary. My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all the times, not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean that those theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel well with KP. Regards, Punit Pandey

On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Sreekumar,Regarding DEBILITATION effect,1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) Best regards,tw , " tw853 " < tw853> wrote:

> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > PENSION); > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect both > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > his KP Readers I to VI.> > Best regards,> > tw

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Sreekumar ji, > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea > of > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to > getting the > > answer for your question number two. > > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > effects> > > thanks ,> > > Sreekumar > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > ------------------------------> > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear Sreekumar,

That is precisely why I have been repeatedly advocating that K.P. learners,should first unlearn traditional astrology ,and then learn K.P.,which is based on Vedic Hindu Astrology...from a KSK's books only...

Then practise it diligently,and then apply it properly,then if one has any difficulty,he should approach this group...

But what is being noticed is that, in their eagerness to get solutions to their personal problems,which they could not get even after using traditional astrology or, after their own predictions according to traditional astrology going awry,they approach this group for "solutions" without making any serious effort to learn K.P. !

(This is perhaps the reason that there are not many members coming forward to offer you the solution ?)

This group will of course surely try to solve their difficulties,if asked in a spirit of inquiry with the intention to learn K.P., I hasten to add...

Many queries that I read in this Group's site,belong to this category...this is a K.P. Group, whose main objective is to help propogate K.P. principles and help students and K.P. followers to get their problems solved by experts...and senior members and practitioners of K.P.

It is also my suggestion that such type of queries be discouraged by the moderator of this group,Mr.Punit Pandey.

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote:

Dear Learned Members of K.P System ,

Iam sorry , the question of navamsha triggered so many

hot discussion . It was not intentional. I generally follow

the traditional vedic system . There was no intention also

to show the vedic system was superior to K.P or vice versa.

I was trying to find an alternate opinion to my problem , thats

why i posed such question . I sincerly appologise for the same

Anyway i would like to share my personal

data here for your learned members here so that

it will throw some light to my problem . I have no kids

till date . My wife had a miscarriage nearly 1.5 years

back , still there is no luck seen in progeny .

My Dob : 21st December 1971

Time : 7:25 AM

Place : Palghat ( Palghat, INDIA: 10n47, 76e39, India )

My Wife Dob : 7th December 1976

Time : 6:10 AM

Place : Quilon, INDIA: 8n53, 76e36, India

Events : Our Marriage 6th May 2002

First Abortion : Around Aug Month 2003

The question why i raised of navamsha here was

for both of us 5th Lord is deblitated in Navamsha

Chart. I wanted an alternate opinion from

the learned members of K.P whether we will have

any issues or not

Sorry once again . Thanks for taking my question

thanks & regards

Sreekumar

Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Tw ji, All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri KSK was himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of classical astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary, significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has mentioned but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated, navamsha and 108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all these theories as his own theories were giving very good results. As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch of astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the system. If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with the improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized the Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249 division of zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much satisfied with the existing form of

divisions hence he felt the need of another zodiac division for interpreting the chart.

Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the complexity of the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of interpreting it. It may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108 number based horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this system (page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and used 249 number based horary in place of 108 based horary. My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all the times, not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean that those theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel well with KP. Regards, Punit Pandey

On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sreekumar,Regarding DEBILITATION effect,1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) Best regards,tw , "tw853" < tw853> wrote:> > Dear Sreekumar,> > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his > PENSION); > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in > his KP Readers I to VI.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Sreekumar ji, > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the idea > of > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to > getting the > > answer for your question number two. > > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > effects> > > thanks ,> > > Sreekumar >

> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger. > > > ------------------------------> > > *

April 24, 2005

Dear All,

I am 100% agree with Punt ji,

we call Kp aynamsa whait is Kp aynamsha? KP Ayanamasha is not discovery of Shri KSK it was discovered by Prof. Newcombs . Now we use NewKP ayanamasha but in All readers You can found old ayanamasha. before any comment on this subject please refer K.P. & Aastrology Year 2003 page No: 88.

regards

kanak

>Punit Pandey <punitp

>

>Re: Re: debliation in navamsa

>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:29:36 +0530

>

>Tw ji,

>

>All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri KSK was

>himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of classical

>astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary,

>significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has mentioned

>but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated, navamsha and

>108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all these

>theories as his own theories were giving very good results.

>

>As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch of

>astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the system.

>If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with the

>improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized the

>Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249 division of

>zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much satisfied with

>the existing form of divisions hence he felt the need of another zodiac

>division for interpreting the chart.

>

>Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the complexity of

>the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of interpreting it. It

>may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108 number based

>horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this system

>(page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and used 249

>number based horary in place of 108 based horary.

>

>My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all the times,

>not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean that those

>theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already

>improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel well with

>KP.

>

>Regards,

>

>Punit Pandey

>

> On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreekumar,

> >

> > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,

> >

> > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in

> > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)

> >

> > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned Sun---

> > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-232)

> >

> > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is in

> > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be

> > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreekumar,

> > >

> > > Regarding NAVAMSA,

> > >

> > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side

> > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION his

> > > PENSION);

> > >

> > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect both

> > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not

> > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

> > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

> > >

> > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes Navamsa in

> > > his KP Readers I to VI.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > > > Sreekumar ji,

> > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the

> > idea

> > > of

> > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place to

> > > getting the

> > > > answer for your question number two.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > > > > effects

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > http://uk.messenger.

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > *

April 25, 2005

Dear Shri Anant Rachur,

Since I'm not yet sure to receive the current addition of KP Reader

III to-morrow to check the changes in new edition, below are KSK

quotes as part of all quotes in Msg #4013.

1) Abortion takes place in that month if that planet ruling that

month ill-posted and adversely aspected. Miscarraige will be in that

month rued by the planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader

IV, 1984, p 220, under " Pregnancy " after " Adoption " , before Eunchs)

2) Further the sublord is in neechcha with the above mentioned

Sun. (i.e. Mars is debilitated.) (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 231,

under " When Will I Have a Child? after " Any Child at All " ,

before " When My Daughter Deliver ? " below the second chart with DOB

8-8-1936)

With highest regards,

Tin Win

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> Dear Tin Win

>

> please quote the headings/sub-heading where in KP READER 4 1984

edition the

>

> matter has been referred. I have a 1993 sixth edition of KP Fourth

reader, Marriage,Married

> Life, and children.

>

> I am sceptical of later editions of the KP Readers, as it is

appears that some matters

>

> not in the original editions, have been added on the advise of the

advisors to the authors/

>

> or authorities revising the older editions.

>

> Prof KSK was very critical of Traditional astrology,as then

practiced. So it is surprising

> to note that he refers to Navamas/ Debilitations etc.

>

> KSK has in his readers referred to the Strength of planets,that

has to be considered.

>

> Since the Planet is the Lamp, which gives the rays of Light, The

Star Lord being the Lens

>

> ..... It is rational to consider the strength of the planet,

whether it is Strong/Weak.

>

> Only in that condition and for that particular determination, one

could use the

> Navamsa chart. If planet is in the same sign in both

Lagna/Navamasa, it is VARGOTTAM and

> considered strong to give results. If debilitated, naturally the

results will be weak/ poor

>

> This is my personal view.

>

> " Balaji G.krishnan " <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> Dear tw853

>

> Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being

member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted

follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning

K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P.

>

> I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is

new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the

matters of a subject,that is why we are here.

>

> For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics

of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can

understand my point.

>

> Thanks for your reply.

> Balaji G

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Balaji,

>

> This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read

them

> first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing

> strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from

> Vedic remedies group.

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " Balaji G.krishnan "

> <balaji_g_krishnan> wrote:

> > Dear tw853

> >

> > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about

> navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages

mentioned

> by you.

> > But first time this article I am reading deeply.

> >

> > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is

> debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead

us

> to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.

> >

> > With regards

> > Balaji G

> >

> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreekumar,

> >

> > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,

> >

> > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in

> > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)

> >

> > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned

> Sun---

> > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-

> 232)

> >

> > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is

> in

> > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will

be

> > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreekumar,

> > >

> > > Regarding NAVAMSA,

> > >

> > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by

side

> > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION

> his

> > > PENSION);

> > >

> > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect

> both

> > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not

> > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

> > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

> > >

> > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes

Navamsa

> in

> > > his KP Readers I to VI.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > Sreekumar ji,

> > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked

the

> > idea

> > > of

> > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good

place

> to

> > > getting the

> > > > answer for your question number two.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > > > > effects

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > http://uk.messenger.

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > *

April 25, 2005

Dear Punit ji,

1. Based on available records and background check of two-volume

Krishnamurti Padhdhati, those two-volumes version was possibily

publised around 1964-65, seperate KP REaders I to VI around 1970-71,

the latest Reader VI definately in 1970 before Guruji KSK's death in

1972. In two-volume KP, the most important Reader III and some

portions of Reader IV and V were included but not Reader I and VI.

More detailed information will be helpful for members.

2. With KP ayanamsa with base year of 291 AD using New Comb's rate of

precession (not New Comb's ayanamsa), Western Placidus cusps, Hindu

Traditional zodiac and divisions up to star and sub 249 in Hindu

astrlogy based on Prasara's unequal Vimshottari dasa system, credit

goes to Guruji KSK for using these stars and subs for the first time

to examine whether cusps and planets are fruitful.

3. KSK's wording of " incomplete, hence incorrect; meaningless; fails

miserably ; misleading; really useless; absurd and so on are supposed

to be critical of some other theories.

4. Of course, we're using KSK's newly found applied theories. KSK

originals on Navamasa (information about other devitional charts is

rare) and exaltation and debilitation are posted for just inforamtion

about KSK's view without any comment to apply or not to apply.

Thanks and best regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Tw ji,

>

> All the KP readers are written over a span of time when IMHO Sri

KSK was

> himself learning. Initially he started taking the ideas of

classical

> astrology and tried to merge it with his research of cusps, horary,

> significators, & subs etc. There are many thoughts which he has

mentioned

> but never used by himself. The thought of exalted/ debilitated,

navamsha and

> 108 based horary are few of them. Later on he stopped using all

these

> theories as his own theories were giving very good results.

>

> As far as my understanding goes Sri KSK never criticized any branch

of

> astrology. Though sometimes he felt the need of improvement in the

system.

> If he would be alive, he had done more research and come up with

the

> improvement in them. It is true to that he himself never criticized

the

> Navamsha but the need of another form of division i.e. Sub (249

division of

> zodiac) itself tells the story. Probably he was not very much

satisfied with

> the existing form of divisions hence he felt the need of another

zodiac

> division for interpreting the chart.

>

> Coming to the divisional charts, probably he didn't like the

complexity of

> the divisional system. There was no clear-cut method of

interpreting it. It

> may be the reason for not using it. Another example is the 108

number based

> horary of Kalidas. Though he has shown his expertise in using this

system

> (page 62 of III reader) but later own he improvised upon it and

used 249

> number based horary in place of 108 based horary.

>

> My point is we should use the KP theories which he was using all

the times,

> not which he has mentioned on one or two places. It doesn't mean

that those

> theories are not good enough but that does mean that KP has already

> improvised upon it and we can use the improved theories which gel

well with

> KP.

>

> Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 4/23/05, tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreekumar,

> >

> > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,

> >

> > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in

> > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)

> >

> > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned

Sun---

> > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-

232)

> >

> > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is

in

> > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will be

> > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreekumar,

> > >

> > > Regarding NAVAMSA,

> > >

> > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side

> > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION

his

> > > PENSION);

> > >

> > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table " to erect

both

> > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart " (words as per KSK), which can not

> > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is

> > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;

> > >

> > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever critisizes

Navamsa in

> > > his KP Readers I to VI.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...>

wrote:

> > > > Sreekumar ji,

> > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the

> > idea

> > > of

> > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place

to

> > > getting the

> > > > answer for your question number two.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does KP

> > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events

> > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its

> > > > > effects

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > http://uk.messenger.

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > *

April 26, 2005

Dear Tin Win

Thanks. The 1993 edition the same are given. This goes to show that KSK had used the

qualities denoted by Exaltaion/Debilitation. In fact, in my SW I show the planets in Exaltaion

and in Own House. I will now modify to show the exaltaion only if within +/- the 3 deg of the

actual degree, will also indicate the Debilitation for easy reference.

To be honest, not being a professional astrologer, I have not gone thru the 4th reader in

detail.

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Shri Anant Rachur,Since I'm not yet sure to receive the current addition of KP Reader III to-morrow to check the changes in new edition, below are KSK quotes as part of all quotes in Msg #4013. 1) Abortion takes place in that month if that planet ruling thatmonth ill-posted and adversely aspected. Miscarraige will be in thatmonth rued by the planet in debilitation and afflicted. (KP ReaderIV, 1984, p 220, under "Pregnancy" after "Adoption", before Eunchs)2) Further the sublord is in neechcha with the above mentionedSun. (i.e. Mars is debilitated.) (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 231,under "When Will I Have a Child? after "Any Child at All",before "When My Daughter Deliver ?" below the second chart with DOB8-8-1936)With highest regards,Tin Win , anant

raichur wrote:> Dear Tin Win> > please quote the headings/sub-heading where in KP READER 4 1984 edition the > > matter has been referred. I have a 1993 sixth edition of KP Fourth reader, Marriage,Married > Life, and children. > > I am sceptical of later editions of the KP Readers, as it is appears that some matters> > not in the original editions, have been added on the advise of the advisors to the authors/> > or authorities revising the older editions.> > Prof KSK was very critical of Traditional astrology,as then practiced. So it is surprising> to note that he refers to Navamas/ Debilitations etc.> > KSK has in his readers referred to the Strength of planets,that has to be considered.> > Since the Planet is the Lamp, which gives the rays of Light, The Star Lord being the Lens> > ..... It

is rational to consider the strength of the planet, whether it is Strong/Weak.> > Only in that condition and for that particular determination, one could use the > Navamsa chart. If planet is in the same sign in both Lagna/Navamasa, it is VARGOTTAM and> considered strong to give results. If debilitated, naturally the results will be weak/ poor> > This is my personal view.> > > "Balaji G.krishnan" wrote:> Dear tw853> > Ya I agree that I am also tried to know information by being member of vedic remedies group but I am always a 100% devoted follower of K.P from year 2000,the year I started learning K.P.That's why I am puzzled to hear debilitation in K.P.> > I hope that everybody will agree that for everybody something is new and yet to be known or no man can 100% in knowing all the matters of a subject,that is why we are

here.> > For me,it is strange to again mix up all those distracting topics of traditional concepts with the divine science,K.P.Hope u can understand my point.> > Thanks for your reply.> Balaji G> > tw853 wrote:> > Dear Balaji,> > This is'nt an article. Those are KSK originals. If you've read them > first time, I don't know what KP you're talking. Also nothing > strange if you go back to Traditionals because you've come from > Vedic remedies group. > > Best regards,> > tw> > , "Balaji G.krishnan" > wrote:> > Dear tw853> > > > It is really a news for me that K.P system has explained about > navamsa,debilitation of the CSL.Ya,I go through the pages mentioned > by you.> > But first time this article I am

reading deeply.> > > > How then the signification of the planet be judged if it is > debilitated but signifying good bhavas 2,6,11.?It will again lead us > to traditional system to confuse more...Am I right?.> > > > With regards> > Balaji G> > > > tw853 wrote:> > > > Dear Sreekumar,> > > > Regarding DEBILITATION effect,> > > > 1) Miscarriage will be in that month ruled bythe planet in > > debilitation and afflicted. (KP Reader IV, 1984, p 220)> > > > 2) Further the sub lord is in neechcha with the above mentioned > Sun---> > leading to the no-child conclusion. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 231-> 232)> > > > 3) Even though 11th cusp sublord may be exalted, yet if if it is > in > > the star of a planet which is debilitated, then the dowri will

be > > less. (KP Reader VI, p 255) > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , "tw853" wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sreekumar,> > > > > > Regarding NAVAMSA, > > > > > > 1) Guruji KSK has shown his Rasi and Navamsa charts side by side> > > in KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, p 217 (under TIME OF SANCTION > his > > > PENSION); > > > > > > 2) The most detailed 3-page Self-explanatory Table "to erect > both > > > Rasi & Navamsa Chart" (words as per KSK), which can not> > > be found so in details in any other astrological text book, is > > > included in KP Reader I, 1982, pp 78-80;> > > > > > 3) As far as my reading goes, KSK never, ever

critisizes Navamsa > in > > > his KP Readers I to VI.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > , Punit Pandey > wrote:> > > > Sreekumar ji,> > > > KP doesn't use Navamsha at all. Sri KSK seems never liked the > > idea > > > of > > > > divisional charts. Hence this forum may not be the good place > to > > > getting the > > > > answer for your question number two.> > > > Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On 4/23/05, Sreekumar Ambalath wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,> > > > > 1. What is the concept of navasma in KP ? Does

KP> > > > > consider navamsha also in predicing events > > > > > 2. If a planet is debiliated in navamsha , what are its> > > > > effects> > > > > thanks ,> > > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > *

April 26, 2005