Muhurta [was Predicting Results of Matches]

April 20, 2005

Dear Mohan,

Thank you for your kind words and for your raising the topic of

Muhurta.

I have used Muhurta many times in the past, though not using KP

principles. My sense of this subject is that Muhurta is applied in

the context of when a person needs to know the best time(s) to

initiate something, such as the topics you mentioned. The goal here

is to work within the planetary " energies " of the moment to assure a

positive outcome of the thing undertaken.

With the above in mind, I would not think that predicting the

ourcome of cricket matches would fall under the intent of Muhurta,

though I do take your point on its intended meaning of " Timimg " . On

the one hand, a muhurta is useful to establish the best timing for

an individual to initiate, begin or undertake some activity while a

cricket match is " out of bounds " of the enquirer, where the start of

the match is not in our control. Since we are trying to achieve a

positive outcome in both scenarios, I do think the intended goal of

predicting an outcome is different.

Perhaps others on this list have comments on this topic.

Come to think of it, I do not recall seeing much material in any of

the KP books I have on Muhurta. Perhaps Tin Win or others might be

kind enough to put forward some references.

Regards,

Neville

, Anmohiey <anmohiey@s...> wrote:

> Dear Neville,

>

> You might be surprised but it is fact that the method you adopted

for predicting, out come of Cricket matches is very well within the

gamut of both Vedic and KP system of astrology. Here it is termed

as 'Muhurtha' or roughly translated as 'Timing' -assessment of

planetary influences on the event to follow. As you might be

knowing, Muhurtha Shastra is one of the main branches of Vedic

astrology along the side of Phalitha, Ganitha and KhagOla.

(Predictive, Mathematical and Astronomical).

>

> The method of Muhurtha delineation has been very well advocated by

late prof. Krishna Murthy. He contested that his findings and

methods of Muhurtha deriving were better result oriented than

traditional one. In last few days time you have, might be

unknowingly, followed same principles as enumerated by him, and gave

predictions based on timing of start of Match. While all other guys

were concentrating efforts to foretell the result thru Horary system

of Astrology, you followed delineation of impact of Muhurtha on the

result of matches and crowned with success. Hats of you!

>

> Hindu traditionalists, invariably consult astrologers for

suitable Muhurthas for performing any thing significance, not

limited to but including, Marriage, Travelling, Purchasing and

selling, Celebrating, Travelling, Commencing education, Taking

medicine, Worshipping et. al.

>

> By your successful prediction, all we have been reminded of

importance of Muhurtha. Some how I don't know in present day KP,

part of Muhurtha has been not much talked about! Your success once

again stress one to ponder over the effectiveness of Muhurtha in

Astrology and adopt the same as part of the KP system for work outs.

>

> regards,

>

> Mohan Hegde.

> -

> Neville Lang

>

> Monday, April 18, 2005 11:35 AM

> Predicting Results of Matches

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Even though I correctly predicted the result of the 6th ODI, as

> stated on a previous post, the reality still could be that was

by

> chance alone. I would not pretend that I have " the " method for

> predicting match outcomes at all. Two out of two is still a long

way

> off proving that the method I use is the correct one. One issue

is

> that the two matches predicted correctly were only two days

apart.

> Better testing will come with matches that are spaced out over

time,

> into years apart. Then I would be happy with any method in that

it

> is working consistently over time.

>

> I simply put forward the concept of using the start of a match

to

> predict its outcome, since that system has been used in western

> astrology for a long time by others. I advanced this idea on

this

> list because it appeared that some people were getting mixed

results

> using KP Horary using numbers. I then thought it useful to begin

to

> test this idea of using the chart of the start of a match BUT

using

> KP principles, at least as I understand them. Western astrology

uses

> other ways of assessing such a chart to arrive at a conclusion

but I

> was more interested in whether this chart using KP principles

could

> yield good results.

>

> Though I have only been studying the KP system for a few months,

I

> have no real experience in using the KP Horary practice of using

a

> number between 1 and 249. I can see the practical way in which

it

> might be applied in a consultation session where an astrologer

is

> asked many questions in a short space of time. Using this

approach,

> by tying a number to a question, that derives an ascendant that

sets

> the houses for the planets of the moment, solves a long-term

problem

> in western astrology horary as well as the traditional Hindu way

of

> horary. In these systems, a number of questions asked over a

short

> space of time in a consultation usually results in the same

chart of

> the moment for assessment. Prof. KSK seems to have provided a

good

> solution for this problem.

>

> My view is that the purpose of astrology is primarily to help

others

> who have problems surrounding them, and so when there is a

burning

> desire to know the answer to a question that is important or

giving

> pain to a person asking such a question then I would think that

the

> KP Horary would work quite well. This seems to be borne out by

> others on this list who have this system over many years.

>

> I think that predicting outcomes of sporting matches might be

> outside the realm of using astrology to help people in the sense

> that it has been always used. Predicting outcomes of sporting

> matches is probably more speculative and I would think is aimed

at a

> more personal challenge for the person making the prediction

rather

> than actually helping others. It is in this context that I feel

that

> the actual practice of using KP Horary numbers may give mixed

> results. While this is a view I hold at the moment, I could, of

> course be completely wrong. I guess time and testing of various

> methods will tell.

>

> Regards,

> Neville

April 20, 2005

Dear Neville,

I am trying to make my opinion little more clear and believe despite of writing in a foreign language, could land up quite near to where I intending to be!

Let us imagine, had Indian cricket board authorities approached you and asked for an advise on day and timing of proposed Cricket matches of the series, you would have certainly not advised matches to be played on dates and timings on which their home team lost miserably. But in spite of that if those matches were held and home team lost, what you would have said? “…it was evidently because of bad Muhurthas chosen…” Those consultations did not happen. How ever, you got a chance in advance to assess power of planetary vibrations at the start of last few matches and hence delivered accurate predictions on the results as you could delineate that, at those timings, planets were favouring more to visiting/opponent team. In either the case, what you would have done is same. Is it not apparent that you could give out accurate predictions as ‘Timing’ or in other words, selection of date and time of start of the matches were not just favourable enough for the home team to emerge victorious? Your analysis were based on election of time/date of start of the matches at the specified locations. This, I rather term as Muhurtha. That is, I would say since Muhurtha were not appropriate, Indian team lost the matches. *OR* since Muhurtha were quite favouring, Visiting team could win the matches.

Muhurthas are not only restricted to individual persons but also equally applicable to group/team and all. When we term any day is good, on account of prevailing Tithi, Nakshatra, Vara, Yoga and Karana, what we talk is Muhurtha only but for whole community as in general.

Again let us assume, if I want to know, what would be the result of the next One day cricket match that to be played between India and Australia, you would like to know Date, Time and Place of the Match. In short I call it as ‘Muhurtha’ on start of the match. Where as if one would prefer to answer on Horary basis, one would ask me to give a horary number to work on it. The details you would ask is immaterial for that person. That is, he would not concentrate on Timing & place of match or in my language on Muhurtha of the match to be played.

As far as matter of Muhurtha in KP books is concerned, hope you can get little stuff in Sixth reader (Horary Astrology), Section-V, under the XI house matter, in page no.321 onwards. If you desire, I can send those pages by scanning.

Hope not bored all much!

Regards,Mohan Hegde.

-

Neville Lang

Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:17 AM

Re: Muhurta [was Predicting Results of Matches]

Dear Mohan,Thank you for your kind words and for your raising the topic of Muhurta.I have used Muhurta many times in the past, though not using KP principles. My sense of this subject is that Muhurta is applied in the context of when a person needs to know the best time(s) to initiate something, such as the topics you mentioned. The goal here is to work within the planetary "energies" of the moment to assure a positive outcome of the thing undertaken.With the above in mind, I would not think that predicting the ourcome of cricket matches would fall under the intent of Muhurta, though I do take your point on its intended meaning of "Timimg". On the one hand, a muhurta is useful to establish the best timing for an individual to initiate, begin or undertake some activity while a cricket match is "out of bounds" of the enquirer, where the start of the match is not in our control. Since we are trying to achieve a positive outcome in both scenarios, I do think the intended goal of predicting an outcome is different.Perhaps others on this list have comments on this topic.Come to think of it, I do not recall seeing much material in any of the KP books I have on Muhurta. Perhaps Tin Win or others might be kind enough to put forward some references.Regards,Neville , Anmohiey <anmohiey@s...> wrote:> Dear Neville,> > You might be surprised but it is fact that the method you adopted for predicting, out come of Cricket matches is very well within the gamut of both Vedic and KP system of astrology. Here it is termed as 'Muhurtha' or roughly translated as 'Timing' -assessment of planetary influences on the event to follow. As you might be knowing, Muhurtha Shastra is one of the main branches of Vedic astrology along the side of Phalitha, Ganitha and KhagOla. (Predictive, Mathematical and Astronomical).> > The method of Muhurtha delineation has been very well advocated by late prof. Krishna Murthy. He contested that his findings and methods of Muhurtha deriving were better result oriented than traditional one. In last few days time you have, might be unknowingly, followed same principles as enumerated by him, and gave predictions based on timing of start of Match. While all other guys were concentrating efforts to foretell the result thru Horary system of Astrology, you followed delineation of impact of Muhurtha on the result of matches and crowned with success. Hats of you!> > Hindu traditionalists, invariably consult astrologers for suitable Muhurthas for performing any thing significance, not limited to but including, Marriage, Travelling, Purchasing and selling, Celebrating, Travelling, Commencing education, Taking medicine, Worshipping et. al. > > By your successful prediction, all we have been reminded of importance of Muhurtha. Some how I don't know in present day KP, part of Muhurtha has been not much talked about! Your success once again stress one to ponder over the effectiveness of Muhurtha in Astrology and adopt the same as part of the KP system for work outs.> > regards,> > Mohan Hegde.> - > Neville Lang > > Monday, April 18, 2005 11:35 AM> Predicting Results of Matches> > > > Dear Friends,> > Even though I correctly predicted the result of the 6th ODI, as > stated on a previous post, the reality still could be that was by > chance alone. I would not pretend that I have "the" method for > predicting match outcomes at all. Two out of two is still a long way > off proving that the method I use is the correct one. One issue is > that the two matches predicted correctly were only two days apart. > Better testing will come with matches that are spaced out over time, > into years apart. Then I would be happy with any method in that it > is working consistently over time.> > I simply put forward the concept of using the start of a match to > predict its outcome, since that system has been used in western > astrology for a long time by others. I advanced this idea on this > list because it appeared that some people were getting mixed results > using KP Horary using numbers. I then thought it useful to begin to > test this idea of using the chart of the start of a match BUT using > KP principles, at least as I understand them. Western astrology uses > other ways of assessing such a chart to arrive at a conclusion but I > was more interested in whether this chart using KP principles could > yield good results.> > Though I have only been studying the KP system for a few months, I > have no real experience in using the KP Horary practice of using a > number between 1 and 249. I can see the practical way in which it > might be applied in a consultation session where an astrologer is > asked many questions in a short space of time. Using this approach, > by tying a number to a question, that derives an ascendant that sets > the houses for the planets of the moment, solves a long-term problem > in western astrology horary as well as the traditional Hindu way of > horary. In these systems, a number of questions asked over a short > space of time in a consultation usually results in the same chart of > the moment for assessment. Prof. KSK seems to have provided a good > solution for this problem.> > My view is that the purpose of astrology is primarily to help others > who have problems surrounding them, and so when there is a burning > desire to know the answer to a question that is important or giving > pain to a person asking such a question then I would think that the > KP Horary would work quite well. This seems to be borne out by > others on this list who have this system over many years.> > I think that predicting outcomes of sporting matches might be > outside the realm of using astrology to help people in the sense > that it has been always used. Predicting outcomes of sporting > matches is probably more speculative and I would think is aimed at a > more personal challenge for the person making the prediction rather > than actually helping others. It is in this context that I feel that > the actual practice of using KP Horary numbers may give mixed > results. While this is a view I hold at the moment, I could, of > course be completely wrong. I guess time and testing of various > methods will tell.> > Regards,> Neville> > > > > > >