Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi, I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure to KP is only recent. My doubt is: 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right? 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint? Please help me understand the above. Warm regards, Anand Srinivas Raman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Raman ji, Please find my answer below in BLOCK letters. Regards, Punit Pandey On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0000, ankorwok <ankorwok wrote: > > > Hi, > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > to KP is only recent. My doubt is: > 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right? YES > 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint? THE BEGINNING OF CUSP OF KP IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY. THE KP CUSP CALCULATION IF BASED ON PLACIDUS HOUSE DIVISION SYSTEM WHICH IS A WESTERN SYSTEM OF HOUSE DIVISION. SRI KSK, THE FOUNDER OF KP SYSTEM, HAD FOUND IN HIS RESEARCH THAT PLANET GIVES THE RESULT OF THE HOUSE CALCULATED AS PER WESTERN METHOD AND NOT CLASSICAL BHAVA MADHYA CHAKRA OR RASHI CHART AND SO HE HAS CHOSEN PLACIDUS AS THE DIVISION SYSTEM FOR KP. SO THE ANSWER IS, IT IS DUE TO THE RESEARCH BY SRI K S KRISHNAMURTHY. > Please help me understand the above. > Warm regards, > Anand Srinivas Raman > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Dear Raman The two methods of prediction are by two Savants of Astrolgy Dr B.V.Raman and Prof K.S.Krishna moorti. They cannot be compared to each other direcly. Only when does research into a large number of charts and compares the predictions from these, can one say which is a better method. IF YOU WANT TO MASTER KP. PLEASE FORGET OTHER SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT, AND FOLLOW ONLY KP. Good Luck --- ankorwok <ankorwok wrote: > > > > Hi, > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > to KP is only recent. My doubt is: > 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right? > 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint? > Please help me understand the above. > Warm regards, > Anand Srinivas Raman > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Namaskar Pandeyji, Delighted to note your insights. Shri KSK has married two concepts in astrology to develop his system. As comtemporaries I'm sure Dr Raman and Shri KSK must have checked out each other's techniques. It is not for me to comment upon that. However I've in my limited humble experience found that a marriage of the midpoint system to KP yeilds extremely satisfactory results in terms of timing and outcome. in that i mean that Bhava chart as per Dr Raman and Cusp chart with rulership and Horary as per KP brings excellent accuracy . Regards, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Raman ji,Please find my answer below in BLOCK letters.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0000, ankorwok <ankorwok wrote:> > > Hi, > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > to KP is only recent. My doubt is:> 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right?YES> 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint?THE BEGINNING OF CUSP OF KP IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICALASTROLOGY. THE KP CUSP CALCULATION IF BASED ON PLACIDUS HOUSE DIVISIONSYSTEM WHICH IS A WESTERN SYSTEM OF HOUSE DIVISION. SRI KSK, THEFOUNDER OF KP SYSTEM, HAD FOUND IN HIS RESEARCH THAT PLANET GIVES THERESULT OF THE HOUSE CALCULATED AS PER WESTERN METHOD AND NOT CLASSICALBHAVA MADHYA CHAKRA OR RASHI CHART AND SO HE HAS CHOSEN PLACIDUS ASTHE DIVISION SYSTEM FOR KP. SO THE ANSWER IS, IT IS DUE TO THERESEARCH BY SRI K S KRISHNAMURTHY.> Please help me understand the above.> Warm regards,> Anand Srinivas Raman> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Raman ji, In my opinion, there is no need for marriage of two systems. If you like, IMHO, you can use both the systems independently (it is how I use different systems) and then draw the conclusions. The KP system is extensively developed on top of cuspal theory and in fact most of the predictions depend on the degree of cusp. Rashi, Nakshatra, Sub and Sub-Sub lords are calculated for cusps degrees. Midpoint system was there at the time of Sri KSK and in his research he found that it is not working and that's why he had to borrow cuspal theory from western astrology. Sri KSK has condemned (in fact, harshly) the system prevailing of that time. It in fact shows that both the systems (and probably both these astrologers) were rivals of each other's :-) It would be great to know what type of correct results you have received using the combined system and why it can be received by independant system. Regards, Punit Pandey On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (GMT), Satya Srinivas <ankorwok wrote: > Namaskar Pandeyji, > Delighted to note your insights. Shri KSK has married two concepts in > astrology to develop his system. As comtemporaries I'm sure Dr Raman and > Shri KSK must have checked out each other's techniques. It is not for me to > comment upon that. However I've in my limited humble experience found that a > marriage of the midpoint system to KP yeilds extremely satisfactory results > in terms of timing and outcome. in that i mean that Bhava chart as per Dr > Raman and Cusp chart with rulership and Horary as per KP brings excellent > accuracy . > Regards, > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > Raman ji, > > Please find my answer below in BLOCK letters. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0000, ankorwok <ankorwok wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > > to KP is only recent. My doubt is: > > 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right? > YES > > > 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint? > THE BEGINNING OF CUSP OF KP IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL > ASTROLOGY. THE KP CUSP CALCULATION IF BASED ON PLACIDUS HOUSE DIVISION > SYSTEM WHICH IS A WESTERN SYSTEM OF HOUSE DIVISION. SRI KSK, THE > FOUNDER OF KP SYSTEM, HAD FOUND IN HIS RESEARCH THAT PLANET GIVES THE > RESULT OF THE HOUSE CALCULATED AS PER WESTERN METHOD AND NOT CLASSICAL > BHAVA MADHYA CHAKRA OR RASHI CHART AND SO HE HAS CHOSEN PLACIDUS AS > THE DIVISION SYSTEM FOR KP. SO THE ANSWER IS, IT IS DUE TO THE > RESEARCH BY SRI K S KRISHNAMURTHY. > > > Please help me understand the above. > > Warm regards, > > Anand Srinivas Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Pandeyji, The first success I got was in May 2004. On 10th May I predicted That my sister(26/03/1981, 15:07ist , Nasik) would get the job she had applied for in Honeywell(HTSL) on 17/05/2004 and will receive her Offer Letter After 14:30hrs. At 10:30 on 17/05/2004 she was called and told to collect her offer letter at 15:00hrs the same day and sign the necessary papers then and there to join and start work The next Day. Since then I've been succeeding consistentlyusing the method I used on 10/05/2005. Its quite simple really. Inspite of whatyou have saidbeing true about Shri KSK and his contemporaries It must be accepted that the methods used are ultimately based on strength of Dasa Bhukti concept central to Methodology of Most Revered Parasara, Sripathi, Satyacharya and other propounders of the Vedic System. It is not Really a marriage of two systems but perhaps merely tracing back to the roots of Vedic system. The western system adopted in KP is really not an alien Concept atall. It is a modification in the existing Vedic system. But then how well can anybody claim to know the Vedic System, afterall it is subject to interpretation and a clear understanding can only be expounded by the authors,of the vedic texts, themselves. The western system may very well lie hidden in the texts. But than I'm Noone to judge these things. I can merely refer to my own Experience however limited and humble it may be and follow that which fulfills my needs. Warm Regards, Anand Srinivas RamanPunit Pandey <punitp wrote: Raman ji,In my opinion, there is no need for marriage of two systems. If youlike, IMHO, you can use both the systems independently (it is how Iuse different systems) and then draw the conclusions. The KP system isextensively developed on top of cuspal theory and in fact most of thepredictions depend on the degree of cusp. Rashi, Nakshatra, Sub andSub-Sub lords are calculated for cusps degrees. Midpoint system wasthere at the time of Sri KSK and in his research he found that it isnot working and that's why he had to borrow cuspal theory from westernastrology.Sri KSK has condemned (in fact, harshly) the system prevailing of thattime. It in fact shows that both the systems (and probably both theseastrologers) were rivals of each other's :-)It would be great to know what type of correct results you havereceived using the combined system and why it can be received byindependant system.Regards,Punit PandeyOn Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (GMT), Satya Srinivas<ankorwok wrote:> Namaskar Pandeyji,> Delighted to note your insights. Shri KSK has married two concepts in> astrology to develop his system. As comtemporaries I'm sure Dr Raman and> Shri KSK must have checked out each other's techniques. It is not for me to> comment upon that. However I've in my limited humble experience found that a> marriage of the midpoint system to KP yeilds extremely satisfactory results> in terms of timing and outcome. in that i mean that Bhava chart as per Dr> Raman and Cusp chart with rulership and Horary as per KP brings excellent> accuracy .> Regards,> > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> Raman ji,> > Please find my answer below in BLOCK letters.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0000, ankorwok <ankorwok wrote:> > > > > > Hi, > > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > > to KP is only recent. My doubt is:> > 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right?> YES> > > 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint?> THE BEGINNING OF CUSP OF KP IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL> ASTROLOGY. THE KP CUSP CALCULATION IF BASED ON PLACIDUS HOUSE DIVISION> SYSTEM WHICH IS A WESTERN SYSTEM OF HOUSE DIVISION. SRI KSK, THE> FOUNDER OF KP SYSTEM, HAD FOUND IN HIS RESEARCH THAT PLANET GIVES THE> RESULT OF THE HOUSE CALCULATED AS PER WESTERN METHOD AND NOT CLASSICAL> BHAVA MADHYA CHAKRA OR RASHI CHART AND SO HE HAS CHOSEN PLACIDUS AS> THE DIVISION SYSTEM FOR KP. SO THE ANSWER IS, IT IS DUE TO THE> RESEARCH BY SRI K S KRISHNAMURTHY.> > > Please help me understand the above.> > Warm regards,> > Anand Srinivas Raman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Dear Satya, 1. There seems to be the application of " partial " KP, i.e. taking into account of the STARLORD of the concerned planet using traditional house system without consideration of the Sublord of the planet or cusp. Such approach has been used by Dr. B. V. Raman in a/ Notable Horoscope; b/ My Experience in Astrology (in which he says KSK met him in 1958 to explain his Padhdhati) and more vedic astrologers have followed the same. Therefore the Starlords have been included in summary chart of vedic SWs and automatic finder of Starlord and Sublord is available in SJC discussion groups. 2. Since equal house is replaced by Plcidus house, analysis results will be different depending how much house positions are divergent especially when there are intercepted signs of two or four, i.e. any cusp is not falling in the sign, like in the charts of Blair, Catherine Zeta-Jones and Chairo. Moreover Raman ayanamsa may give a different Bhukti after the middle age of the native but not much difference with Lahiri Ayanamsa in respect of dasa sequence. 3. Another important difference is that the Sublord of the concerned planet or cusp under consideration is not taken into account in the above " partial " KP approach. This Sublord is the decisive indicator of whether the matter signified by the planet or cusp is agreeable or not. That Sub theory makes KSK crowned as crowed by him simultaniously in KP Reader III, V & VI. Thus the real benefit of KP can not be enjoyed without applying the Sub Theory together with KP Ayanamsa and Placidus house. 4. One thing is common for both great astrlogers in giving a great importance to Vimshotarri dasa. Best regards, tw , Satya Srinivas <ankorwok> wrote: > Namaskar Pandeyji, > Delighted to note your insights. Shri KSK has married two concepts in astrology to develop his system. As comtemporaries I'm sure Dr Raman and Shri KSK must have checked out each other's techniques. It is not for me to comment upon that. However I've in my limited humble experience found that a marriage of the midpoint system to KP yeilds extremely satisfactory results in terms of timing and outcome. in that i mean that Bhava chart as per Dr Raman and Cusp chart with rulership and Horary as per KP brings excellent accuracy . > Regards, > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > Raman ji, > > Please find my answer below in BLOCK letters. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0000, ankorwok <ankorwok> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > I'm a follower of Dr B V raman school of thought. I've been > > successfully using the methods as propounded by Dr Raman. I exposure > > to KP is only recent. My doubt is: > > 1) under midpoint theory, it is said that the midpoint's location > > decides the sign of the house and the lord. Under cusp theory it says > > that the cusp (beginning) decides the sign and hence lord,am i right? > YES > > > 2) It is also known that the midpoint of bhava subsequently decides > > the extent of the bhava ie beginning and ending cusp. how does the > > cusp become a stronger significator than the midpoint? > THE BEGINNING OF CUSP OF KP IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF CLASSICAL > ASTROLOGY. THE KP CUSP CALCULATION IF BASED ON PLACIDUS HOUSE DIVISION > SYSTEM WHICH IS A WESTERN SYSTEM OF HOUSE DIVISION. SRI KSK, THE > FOUNDER OF KP SYSTEM, HAD FOUND IN HIS RESEARCH THAT PLANET GIVES THE > RESULT OF THE HOUSE CALCULATED AS PER WESTERN METHOD AND NOT CLASSICAL > BHAVA MADHYA CHAKRA OR RASHI CHART AND SO HE HAS CHOSEN PLACIDUS AS > THE DIVISION SYSTEM FOR KP. SO THE ANSWER IS, IT IS DUE TO THE > RESEARCH BY SRI K S KRISHNAMURTHY. > > > Please help me understand the above. > > Warm regards, > > Anand Srinivas Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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