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Dear Mr Rangarajan

Do you have the text regarding "Geneder rule" in any other format tha

PDF, MS Word or so? If yes, pl. send it, i am interested to know this rule.

Regards

Abhay

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:

 

Dear Members,

My good friend Mr.Kadirvelu of Chennai recently proposed a new

gender rectification rule. Since he has been quite busy lately,

I

ventured to write up a note on the rule for getting feedback from

other fellow astrologers. This is available at our website. Please

take a look at the article:

http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.pdf

Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

 

 

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Dear Mr. Rangarajan

Many Many thanks for uploading the DOC file, i have downloaded it, read

it, it's really really FANTASTIC !!!!!! I have also checked it by applying

to around 25 horoscopes right now, it's accuracy is around 95% or more.

CONGRATES to Mr. C.Kadirvelu for his great work.

Many Astrologers are not aware of this Gender rule.

I will study it further & if i find anything to add to it, i will

definitely get back to you.

Thanks & Regards

Abhay Godse

Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy wrote:

 

Dear Abhay,

I have uploaded the DOC file to our site as per your request. Pls

take it from:

http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.doc

Regards,

Rangarajan

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Dear Members,

My good friend Mr.Kadirvelu of Chennai recently proposed a new

gender rectification rule. Since he has been quite busy lately, I

ventured to write up a note on the rule for getting feedback from

other fellow astrologers. This is available at our website. Please

take a look at the article:

http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.pdf

 

Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

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Dear Abhay Godse,

I will upload the DOC file (WORD format) tomorrow (14th) and post the

link. I do not have that with me right now.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

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Dear Mr. Rangarajan,

 

The " CKV Rule " seems very interesting. But I have only

two little confusions :-

 

1. What happens when the value of N=0. (Unable to

rectify? Or your Software treats '0' as even no.?)

 

2. Suppose a special case when CSL is Moon and is in

Capricorn at 1 degree; Saturn is in Capricorn at 11

degree and Rahu is in Saggitarius at 29 degree.

In that case (according to 4'th point) what will be

the value of 'M'? 0 or 1 or 2? If 1 then why?

 

Please answer my questions.

 

Regards

Sourav.

 

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga

wrote:

 

 

Dear Members,

My good friend Mr.Kadirvelu of Chennai recently

proposed a new

gender rectification rule. Since he has been quite

busy lately, I

ventured to write up a note on the rule for getting

feedback from

other fellow astrologers. This is available at our

website. Please

take a look at the article:

http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.pdf

 

Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sourav,

1) When 'N' is zero, it is treated as 'even'.

2) CSL Moon in Capricorn, so G = Female;

Sat is sign lord of Capricorn, so L = 1;

Sat in same sign as Moon, M = 1 (only Saturn is in the same sign as Moon)

Since no other information is given, assuming only these are

applicable, N = K + L + M = 0 + 1 + 1 = 2;

Since N is even, G is the guessed gender. That is Female.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282>

wrote:

> Dear Mr. Rangarajan,

>

> The " CKV Rule " seems very interesting. But I have only

> two little confusions :-

>

> 1. What happens when the value of N=0. (Unable to

> rectify? Or your Software treats '0' as even no.?)

>

> 2. Suppose a special case when CSL is Moon and is in

> Capricorn at 1 degree; Saturn is in Capricorn at 11

> degree and Rahu is in Saggitarius at 29 degree.

> In that case (according to 4'th point) what will be

> the value of 'M'? 0 or 1 or 2? If 1 then why?

>

> Please answer my questions.

>

> Regards

> Sourav.

>

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...>

> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

> My good friend Mr.Kadirvelu of Chennai recently

> proposed a new

> gender rectification rule. Since he has been quite

> busy lately, I

> ventured to write up a note on the rule for getting

> feedback from

> other fellow astrologers. This is available at our

> website. Please

> take a look at the article:

> http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.pdf

>

> Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Rangarajan

 

Thank you for your posting of the CKV method of Gender determination

 

We cannot take 7th for wife, as it taken for 2nd issue. So also we cannot take

9th for the 3rd issue as it already represents the Father.

 

The method looks temptingly easy and worthy of trail by all, and adoption if

 

all are satisfied.

 

good luck

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

>

>

> Dear Abhay,

> I have uploaded the DOC file to our site as per your request. Pls

> take it from:

> http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.doc

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

> wrote:

> >

>

 

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Dear Sir,

Thanks for your observations.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> Dear Rangarajan

>

> Thank you for your posting of the CKV method of Gender

determination

>

> We cannot take 7th for wife, as it taken for 2nd issue. So also we

cannot take

> 9th for the 3rd issue as it already represents the Father.

>

> The method looks temptingly easy and worthy of trail by all, and

adoption if

>

> all are satisfied.

>

> good luck

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Abhay,

> > I have uploaded the DOC file to our site as per your request.

Pls

> > take it from:

> > http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.doc

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Abhay,

Thanks for reading thru the doc. I am also glad that in your case it

comes to 95% accuracy. It would be nice if the following procedure can

be adopted to verify the rule.

 

1) First we need time-rectified horoscopes to serve as reference. This

rectification could have been accomplished through any of the other

means available, e.g., ASC-MOON connection, RP, etc. The key point is

that we should be convinced about the correctness of birth time of

these reference horoscopes.

 

2) On each of these reference horoscopes, apply the CKV Rule. First

apply the basic three cusps (Asc, 4 and 9). If additional cusp genders

are available, include them as well. Remember, 7th should be 2nd

child, 9th must be father, not 3rd child. If the guessed genders match

the reference chart gender, then the rule succeeds.

 

3) (THIS STEP IS DEBATABLE:) If the CKV rule fails on the reference

chart, try to adjust the birth time by not more than a few seconds

such that the guessed gender matches the chart gender. Since you have

changed the chart time, you need to once again verify that the events

predicated in the original chart remain valid. Otherwise, CKV rule

fails on this chart.

 

I am sure many senior astrologer friends in this group will have with

them verified reference charts. Their help in validating the CKV rule

is very important.

 

If you find that the CKV rule fails in some case, pls forward me the

birth details and I will pass these on to Mr.Kadirvelu for study.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

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Dear Mr. Rangarajan,

 

Thank you very much for your analysis. The " CKV rule "

seems 90% accurate for the horoscopes I have checked.

 

Regards

 

Sourav.

 

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga

wrote:

 

 

Dear Sourav,

1) When 'N' is zero, it is treated as 'even'.

2) CSL Moon in Capricorn, so G = Female;

Sat is sign lord of Capricorn, so L = 1;

Sat in same sign as Moon, M = 1 (only Saturn is in

the same sign as Moon)

Since no other information is given, assuming only

these are

applicable, N = K + L + M = 0 + 1 + 1 = 2;

Since N is even, G is the guessed gender. That is

Female.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, Sourav Guchhait

<sourav6282>

wrote:

> Dear Mr. Rangarajan,

>

> The " CKV Rule " seems very interesting. But I have

only

> two little confusions :-

>

> 1. What happens when the value of N=0. (Unable to

> rectify? Or your Software treats '0' as even no.?)

>

> 2. Suppose a special case when CSL is Moon and is in

> Capricorn at 1 degree; Saturn is in Capricorn at 11

> degree and Rahu is in Saggitarius at 29 degree.

> In that case (according to 4'th point) what will be

> the value of 'M'? 0 or 1 or 2? If 1 then why?

>

> Please answer my questions.

>

> Regards

> Sourav.

>

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...>

> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Members,

> My good friend Mr.Kadirvelu of Chennai recently

> proposed a new

> gender rectification rule. Since he has been quite

> busy lately, I

> ventured to write up a note on the rule for getting

> feedback from

> other fellow astrologers. This is available at our

> website. Please

> take a look at the article:

> http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.pdf

>

> Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rangarajan

 

I suggest that the CKV rule should be tested ffor the 1st child only -5th house

 

Having got this, Cast the chart of this child, and apply the CVK rule to the

3rd house, the next Sibling, instead of applying to 7th.

 

Similarly to this 2nd child chart apply ckv ruloe to 3rd and 11th. you can

verify the gender of both elder and the next younger.

 

With this it may overcome the anamoloies of 7,9 being normally used for 2nd and

3rd child

 

This is only a suggestion. This rule should be tested for 5th house only, and

if results are consistantly correct, we can apply to 2nd and 3rd issue, by

using

the method I have outlined above

 

good luck

 

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

>

>

> Dear Abhay,

> Thanks for reading thru the doc. I am also glad that in your case it

> comes to 95% accuracy. It would be nice if the following procedure can

> be adopted to verify the rule.

>

> 1) First we need time-rectified horoscopes to serve as reference. This

> rectification could have been accomplished through any of the other

> means available, e.g., ASC-MOON connection, RP, etc. The key point is

> that we should be convinced about the correctness of birth time of

> these reference horoscopes.

>

> 2) On each of these reference horoscopes, apply the CKV Rule. First

> apply the basic three cusps (Asc, 4 and 9). If additional cusp genders

> are available, include them as well. Remember, 7th should be 2nd

> child, 9th must be father, not 3rd child. If the guessed genders match

> the reference chart gender, then the rule succeeds.

>

> 3) (THIS STEP IS DEBATABLE:) If the CKV rule fails on the reference

> chart, try to adjust the birth time by not more than a few seconds

> such that the guessed gender matches the chart gender. Since you have

> changed the chart time, you need to once again verify that the events

> predicated in the original chart remain valid. Otherwise, CKV rule

> fails on this chart.

>

> I am sure many senior astrologer friends in this group will have with

> them verified reference charts. Their help in validating the CKV rule

> is very important.

>

> If you find that the CKV rule fails in some case, pls forward me the

> birth details and I will pass these on to Mr.Kadirvelu for study.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...> wrote:

> >

>

 

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

I was very enthused with you CKV rule for gender dtermination.

On perusing your document, I have a small doubt.

In the worked example w.r.t. Father, you have taken righly the 9th

cusp.

However in calculating " M " you have indicated M=1,however I felt

since Saturn and Rahu are together ,M should be 2.Is there an

exception if either Saturn or Rahu or Ketu is the Sublord and

Ketu/Sat or Rahu/Sat combination exists only m=1 should be considered

 

Please clarify.Thanks,

 

Satish

 

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Thanks for your observations.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , anant raichur <anant_1608>

> wrote:

> > Dear Rangarajan

> >

> > Thank you for your posting of the CKV method of Gender

> determination

> >

> > We cannot take 7th for wife, as it taken for 2nd issue. So also

we

> cannot take

> > 9th for the 3rd issue as it already represents the Father.

> >

> > The method looks temptingly easy and worthy of trail by all, and

> adoption if

> >

> > all are satisfied.

> >

> > good luck

> > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Abhay,

> > > I have uploaded the DOC file to our site as per your request.

> Pls

> > > take it from:

> > > http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.doc

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , Abhay Godse

<abhaygodse@e...>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Excellent suggestion.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:

> Dear Rangarajan

>

> I suggest that the CKV rule should be tested ffor the 1st child only

-5th house

>

> Having got this, Cast the chart of this child, and apply the CVK

rule to the

> 3rd house, the next Sibling, instead of applying to 7th.

>

> Similarly to this 2nd child chart apply ckv ruloe to 3rd and 11th.

you can

> verify the gender of both elder and the next younger.

>

> With this it may overcome the anamoloies of 7,9 being normally used

for 2nd and

> 3rd child

>

> This is only a suggestion. This rule should be tested for 5th house

only, and

> if results are consistantly correct, we can apply to 2nd and 3rd

issue, by

> using

> the method I have outlined above

>

> good luck

>

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Abhay,

> > Thanks for reading thru the doc. I am also glad that in your case it

> > comes to 95% accuracy. It would be nice if the following procedure can

> > be adopted to verify the rule.

> >

> > 1) First we need time-rectified horoscopes to serve as reference. This

> > rectification could have been accomplished through any of the other

> > means available, e.g., ASC-MOON connection, RP, etc. The key point is

> > that we should be convinced about the correctness of birth time of

> > these reference horoscopes.

> >

> > 2) On each of these reference horoscopes, apply the CKV Rule. First

> > apply the basic three cusps (Asc, 4 and 9). If additional cusp genders

> > are available, include them as well. Remember, 7th should be 2nd

> > child, 9th must be father, not 3rd child. If the guessed genders match

> > the reference chart gender, then the rule succeeds.

> >

> > 3) (THIS STEP IS DEBATABLE:) If the CKV rule fails on the reference

> > chart, try to adjust the birth time by not more than a few seconds

> > such that the guessed gender matches the chart gender. Since you have

> > changed the chart time, you need to once again verify that the events

> > predicated in the original chart remain valid. Otherwise, CKV rule

> > fails on this chart.

> >

> > I am sure many senior astrologer friends in this group will have with

> > them verified reference charts. Their help in validating the CKV rule

> > is very important.

> >

> > If you find that the CKV rule fails in some case, pls forward me the

> > birth details and I will pass these on to Mr.Kadirvelu for study.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

wrote:

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Satish,

In the given example, 9th CSL is Saturn. We do not include the CSL in

our calculations. So, apart from the CSL, Rahu is the only planet in

the same sign as the CSL. Hence M = 1.

 

Hope this clarifies your point.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Rangarajan,

>

> I was very enthused with you CKV rule for gender dtermination.

> On perusing your document, I have a small doubt.

> In the worked example w.r.t. Father, you have taken righly the 9th

> cusp.

> However in calculating " M " you have indicated M=1,however I felt

> since Saturn and Rahu are together ,M should be 2.Is there an

> exception if either Saturn or Rahu or Ketu is the Sublord and

> Ketu/Sat or Rahu/Sat combination exists only m=1 should be considered

>

> Please clarify.Thanks,

>

> Satish

>

>

>

> , " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

> <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > Thanks for your observations.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , anant raichur <anant_1608>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Rangarajan

> > >

> > > Thank you for your posting of the CKV method of Gender

> > determination

> > >

> > > We cannot take 7th for wife, as it taken for 2nd issue. So also

> we

> > cannot take

> > > 9th for the 3rd issue as it already represents the Father.

> > >

> > > The method looks temptingly easy and worthy of trail by all, and

> > adoption if

> > >

> > > all are satisfied.

> > >

> > > good luck

> > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Abhay,

> > > > I have uploaded the DOC file to our site as per your request.

> > Pls

> > > > take it from:

> > > > http://www.system.com/docs/ckv-rule.doc

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rangarajan

> > > >

> > > > , Abhay Godse

> <abhaygodse@e...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Rangarajan

 

I tested one of my friends chart, whose BT was approximate. The 1st attempt

 

satisfied the Somehow connected Rule. As I had noted previously also, there

 

were two other planets which also satisfied the Some-How Connected Rule

 

I then tried the CKV rule. The test failed in all 3 cases,Self,Mother, and

Father.

 

So i rectified the Birth Time using R>P and keeping the Some-how Rule.

 

Again I got two results. Of these only one time, matched with the Some-how

rule,

 

and then satisfied the CKV for Lagna, Mother and Father.

 

I then tried CKV for the children 5,7,9 > The gender Tallied pefectly.

 

SO IF WE APPLY BOTH THE SOME-HOW CONNECTION RULE, AND CHECK CKV FOR THE BASIC

 

1,4,9 CUSPS, AND IF THE BT SATISFIES BOTH THESE CONDITIONS, WE CAN CONFIDENTLY

 

ACCEPT BIRTH TIME AS CORRECT

 

THANKS TO CKV FOR THIS RULE

 

GOOD LUCK

 

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

>

>

> Excellent suggestion.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:

> > Dear Rangarajan

> >

> > I suggest that the CKV rule should be tested ffor the 1st child only

> -5th house

> >

> > Having got this, Cast the chart of this child, and apply the CVK

> rule to the

> > 3rd house, the next Sibling, instead of applying to 7th.

> >

> > Similarly to this 2nd child chart apply ckv ruloe to 3rd and 11th.

> you can

> > verify the gender of both elder and the next younger.

> >

> > With this it may overcome the anamoloies of 7,9 being normally used

> for 2nd and

> > 3rd child

> >

> > This is only a suggestion. This rule should be tested for 5th house

> only, and

> > if results are consistantly correct, we can apply to 2nd and 3rd

> issue, by

> > using

> > the method I have outlined above

> >

> > good luck

> >

> > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Abhay,

> > > Thanks for reading thru the doc. I am also glad that in your case it

> > > comes to 95% accuracy. It would be nice if the following procedure can

> > > be adopted to verify the rule.

> > >

> > > 1) First we need time-rectified horoscopes to serve as reference. This

> > > rectification could have been accomplished through any of the other

> > > means available, e.g., ASC-MOON connection, RP, etc. The key point is

> > > that we should be convinced about the correctness of birth time of

> > > these reference horoscopes.

> > >

> > > 2) On each of these reference horoscopes, apply the CKV Rule. First

> > > apply the basic three cusps (Asc, 4 and 9). If additional cusp genders

> > > are available, include them as well. Remember, 7th should be 2nd

> > > child, 9th must be father, not 3rd child. If the guessed genders match

> > > the reference chart gender, then the rule succeeds.

> > >

> > > 3) (THIS STEP IS DEBATABLE:) If the CKV rule fails on the reference

> > > chart, try to adjust the birth time by not more than a few seconds

> > > such that the guessed gender matches the chart gender. Since you have

> > > changed the chart time, you need to once again verify that the events

> > > predicated in the original chart remain valid. Otherwise, CKV rule

> > > fails on this chart.

> > >

> > > I am sure many senior astrologer friends in this group will have with

> > > them verified reference charts. Their help in validating the CKV rule

> > > is very important.

> > >

> > > If you find that the CKV rule fails in some case, pls forward me the

> > > birth details and I will pass these on to Mr.Kadirvelu for study.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Rangarajan

> > >

> > > , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

KP 5th Cusp Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part

III, p 84; K.P. Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part

II, pp 88-89) gives better results by taking as a comprehesive Rule

other than subdevided Rules as mentioned in the " A Gender

Determination Technique " .

 

For the time being results of CKV Rule and three other Rules (from

Msg #2671) are shown below.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

P.S. Of course, some more charts will be tested with CKV Rule.

 

 

 

 

CKV RULE

 

1. As per courtesy of KPAstro 2.0,. Mrs. A. Maragatham, 24 Jan 1957,

Th, 2:00 AM IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, Sid Time 10:02:45, New KPA

23:10:03, Asc 04Sc59:37, Jupiter dasa balnce 13y:9m:22d

 

2. Birth Time Rectification, after entering FEMALE in 5th, gives

the " Corrected Time " 24 Jan 1957, 2:00:43 AM, only 43sec difference,

and given TOB is reliable as expected.

 

3. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

 

1) Sbl Saturn is in Sc of Female sign. G= FEMALE

2) Stl & Sbl are Saturn and Ssl is Rahu. K= 3

3) Saturn's Ssl is Saturn L= 1

4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

5) N= 3+1+1= 5

6) Since N is odd, the guessed gender is the opposite of G, which is

MALE. The answer is " NOT " correct.

 

4. IV Cusp (Test for MOTHER)

 

1) Sbl Sun is in Capricorn, Female sign; G= FEMALE

2) Sgl is Saturn. K= 1

3) Sun's sgl is Saturn; L= 1

4) Sun is not conjoined with Ra?ke/Sa; M= 0

5) N= 1+1+0= 2

6) N is even and the guessed gender is G= FEMALE which

is " CORRECT " .

 

5. V Cusp (Test for first child DAUGHTER)

 

1) Sbl Letu in Taurus, Female sign; G= FEMALE

2) Stl is Saturn and SBL is Ketu; K= 2

3) Ketu's SBL is Saturn; L= 1

4) Ketu is not conjoined with Ra/Ke?Sat; M= 0

5) N= 2+1+0= 3

6) N is odd , the guessed gender is the opposite of G, i.e. MALE

which is NOT correct.

 

 

6. VII Cusp

 

Sbl Saturn indicates Male , perhaps CORRECTLY for 2nd child SON.

 

7. IX Cusp

 

Sbl Saturn CORRECTLY indicates Male for FATHER.

 

 

 

 

 

TEST RESULTS OF KP 5TH CUSP SBL RULE, RAICHUR'S SUGGESTION &

BALASEKAR'S HORA RULE (from Msg #2671)

 

 

1. As per courtesy of KPAstro 2.0, Mrs. A. Maragatham, 24 Jan 1957,

Th, 2:00 AM IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, Sid Time 10:02:45, New KPA

23:10:03, Asc 04Sc59:37, Jupiter

dasa balnce 13y:9m:22d

 

2. First child, DAUGHTER, born on 10-05-1982

 

a/ As per 5th cusp Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 &

Part III, p 84; K.P. Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology,

Part II, pp 88-89)

 

5th cusp Stl is Saturn and Sbl is Ketu which is in Stl Sun & Sbl

Jupiter

Saturn, Ketu, Sun & Jupiter in Female signs Sc, Ta, Cp & Vi

respectively, very strongly indicating Female

 

b/ As per Raichur's Suggestion (Msg #1707 of Anant Raichur)

 

5th cusp & 11th cusp Sbl Ket is in Sbl Jupiter which is in Female

sign Vi and its Sgl Mercury conjunct Female planet Venus;

2th cusp Sbl Moon is in Sbl Saturn which is in Female sign Sc and its

Sgl Mars is Male planet.

Strong indication of Female

 

c/ As per Balasekar's Hora Rule (Message # 1686 of Rao; K. P. Year

Book

200, p 39)

 

5th cusp Sbl Is Ketu. Mars is in Ketu star. Ketu is in Stl Sun

(10Cp26) which is in the first 15 deg of even house, i.e., Moon Hora

indicating Female.

 

3. Second child, SON, born 06-08-1983

 

a/ As per 5th cusp Sbl Rule,

 

7th cusp Stl is Sun and Sbl is Saturn which is in Stl Mercury & Sbl

Mercury

Sun & Saturn are Male planets but in Female signs Cp & Sc

respectively; Mercury is in Male sign Sg;

Since the Sbl of 7th Sbl is the decisive one, Male indication is

stronger.

 

b/ As per Raichur's Suggestion

 

7th cusp Sbl Saturn is in Sbl Mercury which is in Male sign Sg and

its Sgl Jupiter is Male planet.

2th cusp Sbl Moon is in Sbl Saturn which is in Female sign Sc and its

Sgl Mars is Male planet.

11th cusp Sbl Ket is in Sbl Jupiter which is in Female sign Virgo

and its Sgl Mercury conjunct Female Venus;

Equal indication for Male or Female

 

c/ As per Balasekar's Hora Rule,

 

7th cusp Sbl Saturn (18Sc23). No planet is in the star of Saturn.

Saturn is in the second 15deg of even sign, i.e., Sun Hora indicating

Male.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, anant raichur <anant_1608>

wrote:

> Dear Rangarajan

>

> I tested one of my friends chart, whose BT was approximate. The 1st

attempt

>

> satisfied the Somehow connected Rule. As I had noted previously

also, there

>

> were two other planets which also satisfied the Some-How Connected

Rule

>

> I then tried the CKV rule. The test failed in all 3

cases,Self,Mother, and

> Father.

>

> So i rectified the Birth Time using R>P and keeping the Some-how

Rule.

>

> Again I got two results. Of these only one time, matched with the

Some-how

> rule,

>

> and then satisfied the CKV for Lagna, Mother and Father.

>

> I then tried CKV for the children 5,7,9 > The gender Tallied

pefectly.

>

> SO IF WE APPLY BOTH THE SOME-HOW CONNECTION RULE, AND CHECK CKV FOR

THE BASIC

>

> 1,4,9 CUSPS, AND IF THE BT SATISFIES BOTH THESE CONDITIONS, WE CAN

CONFIDENTLY

>

> ACCEPT BIRTH TIME AS CORRECT

>

> THANKS TO CKV FOR THIS RULE

>

> GOOD LUCK

>

> --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Excellent suggestion.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rangarajan

> >

> > , anant raichur

<anant_1608> wrote:

> > > Dear Rangarajan

> > >

> > > I suggest that the CKV rule should be tested ffor the 1st child

only

> > -5th house

> > >

> > > Having got this, Cast the chart of this child, and apply the CVK

> > rule to the

> > > 3rd house, the next Sibling, instead of applying to 7th.

> > >

> > > Similarly to this 2nd child chart apply ckv ruloe to 3rd and

11th.

> > you can

> > > verify the gender of both elder and the next younger.

> > >

> > > With this it may overcome the anamoloies of 7,9 being normally

used

> > for 2nd and

> > > 3rd child

> > >

> > > This is only a suggestion. This rule should be tested for 5th

house

> > only, and

> > > if results are consistantly correct, we can apply to 2nd and 3rd

> > issue, by

> > > using

> > > the method I have outlined above

> > >

> > > good luck

> > >

> > > --- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Abhay,

> > > > Thanks for reading thru the doc. I am also glad that in your

case it

> > > > comes to 95% accuracy. It would be nice if the following

procedure can

> > > > be adopted to verify the rule.

> > > >

> > > > 1) First we need time-rectified horoscopes to serve as

reference. This

> > > > rectification could have been accomplished through any of the

other

> > > > means available, e.g., ASC-MOON connection, RP, etc. The key

point is

> > > > that we should be convinced about the correctness of birth

time of

> > > > these reference horoscopes.

> > > >

> > > > 2) On each of these reference horoscopes, apply the CKV Rule.

First

> > > > apply the basic three cusps (Asc, 4 and 9). If additional

cusp genders

> > > > are available, include them as well. Remember, 7th should be

2nd

> > > > child, 9th must be father, not 3rd child. If the guessed

genders match

> > > > the reference chart gender, then the rule succeeds.

> > > >

> > > > 3) (THIS STEP IS DEBATABLE:) If the CKV rule fails on the

reference

> > > > chart, try to adjust the birth time by not more than a few

seconds

> > > > such that the guessed gender matches the chart gender. Since

you have

> > > > changed the chart time, you need to once again verify that

the events

> > > > predicated in the original chart remain valid. Otherwise, CKV

rule

> > > > fails on this chart.

> > > >

> > > > I am sure many senior astrologer friends in this group will

have with

> > > > them verified reference charts. Their help in validating the

CKV rule

> > > > is very important.

> > > >

> > > > If you find that the CKV rule fails in some case, pls forward

me the

> > > > birth details and I will pass these on to Mr.Kadirvelu for

study.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Rangarajan

> > > >

> > > > , Abhay Godse

<abhaygodse@e...>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Tin Win,

There seems to be some discrepancy in the rectified time you have

indicated. I am getting a birth time of 2:0:45 am (and not 2:0:43 as

you have indicated) for Ms.Maragatham. For this time, lagna SS lord

is Jupiter, not Saturn. In this case 1, 4, 9 cusps match the guessed

gender. In fact, if 5th cusp is taken as FEMALE, that also agrees.

 

Incidentally, I noticed in your manual analysis you have taken K =

3. We should only take the signlord, starlord and SS lord for K.

Similarly, for computing L, we should not take sublord and SS lord.

 

Please check again and let me know. I am curious as to how you got a

different answer with KPAstro.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Rangarajan,

>

> KP 5th Cusp Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part

> III, p 84; K.P. Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology, Part

> II, pp 88-89) gives better results by taking as a comprehesive

Rule

> other than subdevided Rules as mentioned in the " A Gender

> Determination Technique " .

>

> For the time being results of CKV Rule and three other Rules (from

> Msg #2671) are shown below.

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> P.S. Of course, some more charts will be tested with CKV Rule.

>

>

>

>

> CKV RULE

>

> 1. As per courtesy of KPAstro 2.0,. Mrs. A. Maragatham, 24 Jan

1957,

> Th, 2:00 AM IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, Sid Time 10:02:45, New KPA

> 23:10:03, Asc 04Sc59:37, Jupiter dasa balnce 13y:9m:22d

>

> 2. Birth Time Rectification, after entering FEMALE in 5th, gives

> the " Corrected Time " 24 Jan 1957, 2:00:43 AM, only 43sec

difference,

> and given TOB is reliable as expected.

>

> 3. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

>

> 1) Sbl Saturn is in Sc of Female sign. G= FEMALE

> 2) Stl & Sbl are Saturn and Ssl is Rahu. K= 3

> 3) Saturn's Ssl is Saturn L= 1

> 4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

> 5) N= 3+1+1= 5

> 6) Since N is odd, the guessed gender is the opposite of G, which

is

> MALE. The answer is " NOT " correct.

>

> 4. IV Cusp (Test for MOTHER)

>

> 1) Sbl Sun is in Capricorn, Female sign; G= FEMALE

> 2) Sgl is Saturn. K= 1

> 3) Sun's sgl is Saturn; L= 1

> 4) Sun is not conjoined with Ra?ke/Sa; M= 0

> 5) N= 1+1+0= 2

> 6) N is even and the guessed gender is G= FEMALE which

> is " CORRECT " .

>

> 5. V Cusp (Test for first child DAUGHTER)

>

> 1) Sbl Letu in Taurus, Female sign; G= FEMALE

> 2) Stl is Saturn and SBL is Ketu; K= 2

> 3) Ketu's SBL is Saturn; L= 1

> 4) Ketu is not conjoined with Ra/Ke?Sat; M= 0

> 5) N= 2+1+0= 3

> 6) N is odd , the guessed gender is the opposite of G, i.e.

MALE

> which is NOT correct.

>

>

> 6. VII Cusp

>

> Sbl Saturn indicates Male , perhaps CORRECTLY for 2nd child SON.

>

> 7. IX Cusp

>

> Sbl Saturn CORRECTLY indicates Male for FATHER.

>

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

Thank you. Details were attached to make sure of the understanding of

the CKV Rule. TOB was not changed due to a small difference. Okay,

after changing TOB as 2:00:45 AM, lagna Ssl becomes Jupiter, not

Saturn. But as per the write-up and example, it is to take the CSL of

CUSP, i.e. Sbl not Ssl. That is correct, Sbl was included in counting

of Ra/Ke/Sa. After making adjustments for all of them, the results as

per KPAstro 2.0 are below.

 

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

TEST OF CKV RULE

 

1. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

 

1) Sbl Saturn is in Scorpio, Female sign. G= FEMALE

2) Stl is Saturn. K= 1

3) Saturn's Ssl is Saturn. L= 1

4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

5) N= 1+1+1= 3

6) Since N is odd; the guessed gender is the opposite of G= FEMALE,

i.e. MALE which does NOT agree with FEMALE.

 

2. IV Cusp (Test for MOTHER)

 

1) Sbl Moon is in Libra, Male sign; G= MALE

2) Sgl is Saturn. K= 1

3) Moon's Ssl is Saturn; L= 1

4) Moon is not conjoined with Ra/Ke/Sa. M= 0

5) N= 1+1+0= 2

6) N is even and the guessed gender is G= MALE which

does NOT agree with FEMALE.

 

3. V Cusp (Test for first child DAUGHTER)

 

1) Sbl Ketu is in Taurus, Female sign; G= FEMALE

2) Stl is Saturn and Ssl is Rahu. K= 2

3) Ketu's Sgl, Stl & Ssl is not Rahu/Ke/Sa. L=0

4) Ketu is not conjoined with Ra/Ke/Sat. M= 0

5) N= 2+0+0= 2

6) N is even and the guessed gender is G= FEMALE,

which AGREEs with FEMALE.

 

 

4. VII Cusp (Test for second child SON)

 

1) Sbl Mercury is in Sagittarius, Male sign. G= MALE

2) K= 0

3) Mercury's Ssl is Rahu. L= 1

4) M= 0

5) N= 0+1+0= 1

6) N is odd, opposite of G= MALE, i.e. FEMALE which does NOT

agree with MALE.

 

5. IX Cusp (Test for Father)

 

Sbl Saturn AGREES with MALE as shown in item 1.

 

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

> There seems to be some discrepancy in the rectified time you have

> indicated. I am getting a birth time of 2:0:45 am (and not 2:0:43

as

> you have indicated) for Ms.Maragatham. For this time, lagna SS lord

> is Jupiter, not Saturn. In this case 1, 4, 9 cusps match the

guessed

> gender. In fact, if 5th cusp is taken as FEMALE, that also agrees.

>

> Incidentally, I noticed in your manual analysis you have taken K =

> 3. We should only take the signlord, starlord and SS lord for K.

> Similarly, for computing L, we should not take sublord and SS lord.

>

> Please check again and let me know. I am curious as to how you got

a

> different answer with KPAstro.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rangarajan,

> >

> > KP 5th Cusp Sbl Rule (Astrosecrets Part I pp 295-296, 304 & Part

> > III, p 84; K.P. Year Book 2000, p 10; Hand Book on Astrology,

Part

> > II, pp 88-89) gives better results by taking as a comprehesive

> Rule

> > other than subdevided Rules as mentioned in the " A Gender

> > Determination Technique " .

> >

> > For the time being results of CKV Rule and three other Rules

(from

> > Msg #2671) are shown below.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > P.S. Of course, some more charts will be tested with CKV Rule.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > CKV RULE

> >

> > 1. As per courtesy of KPAstro 2.0,. Mrs. A. Maragatham, 24 Jan

> 1957,

> > Th, 2:00 AM IST, Chennai, 13N04, 80E17, Sid Time 10:02:45, New

KPA

> > 23:10:03, Asc 04Sc59:37, Jupiter dasa balnce 13y:9m:22d

> >

> > 2. Birth Time Rectification, after entering FEMALE in 5th, gives

> > the " Corrected Time " 24 Jan 1957, 2:00:43 AM, only 43sec

> difference,

> > and given TOB is reliable as expected.

> >

> > 3. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

> >

> > 1) Sbl Saturn is in Sc of Female sign. G= FEMALE

> > 2) Stl & Sbl are Saturn and Ssl is Rahu. K= 3

> > 3) Saturn's Ssl is Saturn L= 1

> > 4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

> > 5) N= 3+1+1= 5

> > 6) Since N is odd, the guessed gender is the opposite of G, which

> is

> > MALE. The answer is " NOT " correct.

> >

> > 4. IV Cusp (Test for MOTHER)

> >

> > 1) Sbl Sun is in Capricorn, Female sign; G= FEMALE

> > 2) Sgl is Saturn. K= 1

> > 3) Sun's sgl is Saturn; L= 1

> > 4) Sun is not conjoined with Ra?ke/Sa; M= 0

> > 5) N= 1+1+0= 2

> > 6) N is even and the guessed gender is G= FEMALE which

> > is " CORRECT " .

> >

> > 5. V Cusp (Test for first child DAUGHTER)

> >

> > 1) Sbl Letu in Taurus, Female sign; G= FEMALE

> > 2) Stl is Saturn and SBL is Ketu; K= 2

> > 3) Ketu's SBL is Saturn; L= 1

> > 4) Ketu is not conjoined with Ra/Ke?Sat; M= 0

> > 5) N= 2+1+0= 3

> > 6) N is odd , the guessed gender is the opposite of G, i.e.

> MALE

> > which is NOT correct.

> >

> >

> > 6. VII Cusp

> >

> > Sbl Saturn indicates Male , perhaps CORRECTLY for 2nd child SON.

> >

> > 7. IX Cusp

> >

> > Sbl Saturn CORRECTLY indicates Male for FATHER.

> >

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Dear Tin Win,

Perhaps I did not explain the rule clearly enough. In the procedure

you have followed below, for each cusp, in step (3), you have

considered the SSL. The rule asks you to look only at the signlord

and starlord of the 'cusp' sublord. You have considered the SSL also

here. There is an asymmetry in the rule. Taking your Lagna analysis:

 

1. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

 

1) Sbl Saturn is in Scorpio, Female sign. G= FEMALE

2) Stl is Saturn. K= 1

3) Saturn's signlord and starlord are not Sat/Rah/Ket. L= 0

4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

5) N= 1+0+1= 2

6) Since N is even G is retained. Hence female.

 

If it is still unclear, I will be happy to help.

 

Regards,

Rangarajan

 

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Rangarajan,

>

> Thank you. Details were attached to make sure of the understanding

of

> the CKV Rule. TOB was not changed due to a small difference. Okay,

> after changing TOB as 2:00:45 AM, lagna Ssl becomes Jupiter, not

> Saturn. But as per the write-up and example, it is to take the CSL

of

> CUSP, i.e. Sbl not Ssl. That is correct, Sbl was included in

counting

> of Ra/Ke/Sa. After making adjustments for all of them, the results

as

> per KPAstro 2.0 are below.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

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Dear Rangarajan,

 

Thanks again. And checked again. Worthy to note: in step 1 to

take " Sbl " not Ssl of the cusp in the test; step 2 to count Ra/Ke/Sa

in " Sgl, Stl & Ssl " of Sbl Planet of the cusp in the test but not

Sbl; step 3 to count only " Sgl & Stl " but not Sbl or Ssl. If so, it's

amazing that results for cusp I, IV, V, VII (2nd child) & IX all

AGREE with the gender concerned.

 

Now the rule is clear and some more test results and conceptual

comment will be given next time.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Dear Tin Win,

> Perhaps I did not explain the rule clearly enough. In the procedure

> you have followed below, for each cusp, in step (3), you have

> considered the SSL. The rule asks you to look only at the signlord

> and starlord of the 'cusp' sublord. You have considered the SSL

also

> here. There is an asymmetry in the rule. Taking your Lagna analysis:

>

> 1. I Cusp (Test for HERSELF)

>

> 1) Sbl Saturn is in Scorpio, Female sign. G= FEMALE

> 2) Stl is Saturn. K= 1

> 3) Saturn's signlord and starlord are not Sat/Rah/Ket. L= 0

> 4) Saturn is conjoined with Rahu. M=1

> 5) N= 1+0+1= 2

> 6) Since N is even G is retained. Hence female.

>

> If it is still unclear, I will be happy to help.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rangarajan,

> >

> > Thank you. Details were attached to make sure of the

understanding

> of

> > the CKV Rule. TOB was not changed due to a small difference.

Okay,

> > after changing TOB as 2:00:45 AM, lagna Ssl becomes Jupiter, not

> > Saturn. But as per the write-up and example, it is to take the

CSL

> of

> > CUSP, i.e. Sbl not Ssl. That is correct, Sbl was included in

> counting

> > of Ra/Ke/Sa. After making adjustments for all of them, the

results

> as

> > per KPAstro 2.0 are below.

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

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