Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, I am totaly diagree with this ruls. why? we take example for today Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang --- ------ DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. 9 M. 32 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) (Sat-Ket 27:32) --- ------ In Moring 5:30 AM DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? IS IT TRUE WAY??? I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE WANT FOR HIS RECORD. Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i think some one was clear this point in past mail. regards kanak bosmia , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Rangarajan, > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that when the sublord of the Ascendant " tells " the Moon-star-lord of the native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > With kind regards, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if > this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other matters, > not just marriage. > > Regards, > Rangarajan > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10 > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > promised > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > wrote: > > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st. > > > Mangalya (esp > > > > of > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has > > to > > > do with > > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > longevity > > > of the > > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > good luck > > > > ( > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the > > 8th > > > house as the > > > > > " maangalya-sthana " ... > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. > > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > recent > > > KP > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in > > KP > > > > > Readers) > > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > reunion. > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > considering > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and > > > discord > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage, > > e.g. > > > in > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets) > > and > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > taking > > > 8th > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that > > > the 7th > > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars. > > He > > > is > > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own > > Sub. > > > He is > > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4 > > > > > Planets > > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon, > > Mars > > > and > > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub. > > Let > > > me > > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > considered > > > > > > weak to give result) > > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO > > > PLANETS IN > > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > HOUSES) > > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect) > > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect) > > Cusp > > > Sub > > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY > > > > > POWERFUL > > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES. > > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN > > HIS > > > > > STARS > > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES) > > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not > > been > > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > since > > > they > > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > other > > > > > Planets > > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > `shadow' > > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe > > > anything > > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly > > > > > understand > > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets > > > since > > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon. > > > Under > > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp, > > > that too > > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to > > > fathom as > > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his > > > Stars > > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will > > > definitely > > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen > > > above > > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this > > Rahu > > > has > > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving > > him > > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > signification > > > > > of > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE > > > SRI > > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > unless > > > the > > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > straightaway > > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at all > > in > > > his > > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th Cusp > > Sub > > > Lord, > > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since there > > > are no > > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > be there for this person. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > operation on > > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. They are > > > > > MERCURY > > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of Rahu. > > > Though > > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the Sub > > Lord > > > is > > > > > very > > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already discussed > > in > > > > > detail > > > > > > above. > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star of > > > Mercury > > > > > the > > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is favorably > > > placed > > > > > the > > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note that > > this > > > > > Venus > > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he is > > the > > > > > KARAKA > > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter and Sub > > of > > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > definitely > > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord for > > this > > > Venus > > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is 2nd to > > > the > > > > > 7th, > > > > > > his would be wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar > > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote: > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is : > > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship with > > > any > > > > > girl > > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 house > > > cancer > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu who > > is > > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972 > > > > > > > time: 15:12 > > > > > > > place: bangalore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no why it > > is > > > so > > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear Kanakji, There is a fallacy in your argument... The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... The rule is ..." the sublord of the ascendant at the time of Birth,must "tell" (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time is absolutely correct... Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many births... With highest regards, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Lajmi ji,I am totaly diagree with this ruls.why?we take example for todayToday MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang---------DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. 9 M. 32 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00)MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32)MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13)JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46)SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) (Sat-Ket 27:32)---------In Moring 5:30 AM DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABADASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS.ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? IS IT TRUE WAY??? I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE WANT FOR HIS RECORD.Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i think some one was clear this point in past mail.regardskanak bosmia , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Rangarajan,> As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237).> Therefore,If the birthchart meets the above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to apply...atleast,in my humble experience...> With kind regards,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote:> > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For> marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th> CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's> quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is> used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if> this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other matters,> not just marriage.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear KPK,> > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for > > KP learners like me. One more ---> > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will > > >>no marriage at all in his life time.> > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10 > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,> > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > promised > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > Tin Win> > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st. > > > Mangalya (esp> > > > of > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has > > to > > > do with> > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > longevity > > > of the> > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > good luck> > > > (> > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the > > 8th > > > house as the> > > > > "maangalya-sthana"...> > > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.> > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > recent > > > KP > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in > > KP > > > > > Readers)> > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > reunion. > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > considering > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and > > > discord > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage, > > e.g. > > > in > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets) > > and > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > taking > > > 8th > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" <kpk3010> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that > > > the 7th> > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars. > > He > > > is> > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own > > Sub. > > > He is> > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4 > > > > > Planets> > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon, > > Mars > > > and> > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub. > > Let > > > me> > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by > > one.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > considered> > > > > > weak to give result)> > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO > > > PLANETS IN> > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > HOUSES)> > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)> > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect) > > Cusp > > > Sub> > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY > > > > > POWERFUL> > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.> > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN > > HIS > > > > > STARS> > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)> > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not > > been> > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > since > > > they> > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > other > > > > > Planets> > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > `shadow'> > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe > > > anything> > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly > > > > > understand> > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets > > > since> > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon. > > > Under> > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp, > > > that too> > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to > > > fathom as> > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his > > > Stars> > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will > > > definitely> > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen > > > above> > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this > > Rahu > > > has> > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving > > him> > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > signification > > > > > of> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE > > > SRI> > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > unless > > > the> > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > straightaway> > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at all > > in > > > his> > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th Cusp > > Sub > > > Lord,> > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since there > > > are no> > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage will > > > > > definitely> > > > > > be there for this person.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > operation on> > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. They are > > > > > MERCURY> > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of Rahu. > > > Though> > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the Sub > > Lord > > > is > > > > > very> > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already discussed > > in > > > > > detail> > > > > > above.> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star of > > > Mercury > > > > > the> > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is favorably > > > placed > > > > > the> > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note that > > this > > > > > Venus> > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he is > > the > > > > > KARAKA> > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter and Sub > > of> > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already seen.> > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > definitely> > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord for > > this > > > Venus> > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is 2nd to > > > the > > > > > 7th,> > > > > > his would be wife.> > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar> > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote:> > > > > > > Guruji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is :> > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship with > > > any > > > > > girl> > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 house > > > cancer > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu who > > is> > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972> > > > > > > time: 15:12> > > > > > > place: bangalore> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no why it > > is > > > so> > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics. Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ????? Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation. I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact. regards kanak bosmia >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Kanakji, > There is a fallacy in your argument... > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... > The rule is ..." the sublord of the ascendant at the time of Birth,must "tell" (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time is absolutely correct... > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many births... > With highest regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: > >Dear Lajmi ji, > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > >why? >we take example for today > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > >--- >------ >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. >9 M. 32 S. > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > (Sat-Ket 27:32) >--- >------ > >In Moring 5:30 AM > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > >regards > >kanak bosmia > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> >wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that >when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > With kind regards, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the >7th > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See >TW's > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear >if > > this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other >matters, > > not just marriage. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals >for > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, >mostly > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 >or > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there >will > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and >10 > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the >denial of > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs >and > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > promised > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur ><anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and >1st. > > > > Mangalya (esp > > > > > of > > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it >has > > > to > > > > do with > > > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > > longevity > > > > of the > > > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > > good luck > > > > > ( > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider >the > > > 8th > > > > house as the > > > > > > "maangalya-sthana"... > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that >signification of > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > marriage > > > > since > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > > recent > > > > KP > > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course >not in > > > KP > > > > > > Readers) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > > reunion. > > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > > considering > > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony >and > > > > discord > > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for >marriage, > > > e.g. > > > > in > > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of >Planets) > > > and > > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > > taking > > > > 8th > > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" ><kpk3010> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen >that > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and >Mars. > > > He > > > > is > > > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his >own > > > Sub. > > > > He is > > > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all >these 4 > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, >Moon, > > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own >Sub. > > > Let > > > > me > > > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one >by > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > > considered > > > > > > > weak to give result) > > > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with >NO > > > > PLANETS IN > > > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > > HOUSES) > > > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect) > > > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through >aspect) > > > Cusp > > > > Sub > > > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE >VERY > > > > > > POWERFUL > > > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES. > > > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS >IN > > > HIS > > > > > > STARS > > > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO >HOUSES) > > > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has >not > > > been > > > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > > since > > > > they > > > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > > other > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > > `shadow' > > > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or >observe > > > > anything > > > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to >clearly > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as >Planets > > > > since > > > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and >Moon. > > > > Under > > > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th >Cusp, > > > > that too > > > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty >to > > > > fathom as > > > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets >in his > > > > Stars > > > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he >will > > > > definitely > > > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have >seen > > > > above > > > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios >this > > > Rahu > > > > has > > > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for >giving > > > him > > > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > > signification > > > > > > of > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > marriage > > > > since > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI >LATE > > > > SRI > > > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > > unless > > > > the > > > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > > straightaway > > > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at >all > > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th >Cusp > > > Sub > > > > Lord, > > > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since >there > > > > are no > > > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage >will > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > be there for this person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > > operation on > > > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. >They are > > > > > > MERCURY > > > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of >Rahu. > > > > Though > > > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the >Sub > > > Lord > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already >discussed > > > in > > > > > > detail > > > > > > > above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star >of > > > > Mercury > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is >favorably > > > > placed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note >that > > > this > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he >is > > > the > > > > > > KARAKA > > > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter >and Sub > > > of > > > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already >seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > > definitely > > > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord >for > > > this > > > > Venus > > > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is >2nd to > > > > the > > > > > > 7th, > > > > > > > his would be wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar > > > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is : > > > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship >with > > > > any > > > > > > girl > > > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 >house > > > > cancer > > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu >who > > > is > > > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972 > > > > > > > > time: 15:12 > > > > > > > > place: bangalore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no >why it > > > is > > > > so > > > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear Kanakji, The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? Pl. correct me if I'm With regards, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Lajmi ji, nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics. Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ????? Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation. I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact. regards kanak bosmia >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Kanakji, > There is a fallacy in your argument... > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... > The rule is ..." the sublord of the ascendant at the time of Birth,must "tell" (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time is absolutely correct... > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many births... > With highest regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: > >Dear Lajmi ji, > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > >why? >we take example for today > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > >--- >------ >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. >9 M. 32 S. > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > (Sat-Ket 27:32) >--- >------ > >In Moring 5:30 AM > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > >regards > >kanak bosmia > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> >wrote: > > Dear Rangarajan, > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that >when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > With kind regards, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the >7th > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See >TW's > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear >if > > this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other >matters, > > not just marriage. > > > > Regards, > > Rangarajan > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals >for > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, >mostly > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 >or > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there >will > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and >10 > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the >denial of > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs >and > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > promised > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur ><anant_1608> > > > > wrote: > > > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and >1st. > > > > Mangalya (esp > > > > > of > > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it >has > > > to > > > > do with > > > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > > longevity > > > > of the > > > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > > good luck > > > > > ( > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider >the > > > 8th > > > > house as the > > > > > > "maangalya-sthana"... > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that >signification of > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > marriage > > > > since > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > > recent > > > > KP > > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course >not in > > > KP > > > > > > Readers) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > > reunion. > > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > > considering > > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony >and > > > > discord > > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for >marriage, > > > e.g. > > > > in > > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of >Planets) > > > and > > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > > taking > > > > 8th > > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" ><kpk3010> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen >that > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and >Mars. > > > He > > > > is > > > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his >own > > > Sub. > > > > He is > > > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all >these 4 > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, >Moon, > > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own >Sub. > > > Let > > > > me > > > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one >by > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > > considered > > > > > > > weak to give result) > > > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with >NO > > > > PLANETS IN > > > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > > HOUSES) > > > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect) > > > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through >aspect) > > > Cusp > > > > Sub > > > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE >VERY > > > > > > POWERFUL > > > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES. > > > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS >IN > > > HIS > > > > > > STARS > > > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO >HOUSES) > > > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has >not > > > been > > > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > > since > > > > they > > > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > > other > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > > `shadow' > > > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or >observe > > > > anything > > > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to >clearly > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as >Planets > > > > since > > > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and >Moon. > > > > Under > > > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th >Cusp, > > > > that too > > > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty >to > > > > fathom as > > > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets >in his > > > > Stars > > > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he >will > > > > definitely > > > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have >seen > > > > above > > > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios >this > > > Rahu > > > > has > > > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for >giving > > > him > > > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > > signification > > > > > > of > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > marriage > > > > since > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI >LATE > > > > SRI > > > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > > unless > > > > the > > > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > > straightaway > > > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at >all > > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th >Cusp > > > Sub > > > > Lord, > > > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since >there > > > > are no > > > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage >will > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > be there for this person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > > operation on > > > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. >They are > > > > > > MERCURY > > > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of >Rahu. > > > > Though > > > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the >Sub > > > Lord > > > > is > > > > > > very > > > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already >discussed > > > in > > > > > > detail > > > > > > > above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star >of > > > > Mercury > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is >favorably > > > > placed > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note >that > > > this > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he >is > > > the > > > > > > KARAKA > > > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter >and Sub > > > of > > > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already >seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > > definitely > > > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord >for > > > this > > > > Venus > > > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is >2nd to > > > > the > > > > > > 7th, > > > > > > > his would be wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar > > > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote: > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is : > > > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship >with > > > > any > > > > > > girl > > > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 >house > > > > cancer > > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu >who > > > is > > > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972 > > > > > > > > time: 15:12 > > > > > > > > place: bangalore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no >why it > > > is > > > > so > > > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear lajmi ji, You are absolutely righ. BUT MY QUESTION IS : after JUP sub anthor JUP sub come after another 8 sub ( JUP,SAT,MER etc.) if we calculet each sub * 6 mins 00 secs = 48 m. In my given example MER sub at 5:30 after that KAT sub come at 05:33:28( it was not JUP) after that VEN sub come at 05:36:01( it was not JUP) after that SUN sub come at 05:43:38( it was not JUP) (MAR star start) after that MAR sub come at 05:45:53( it was not JUP) after that RAH sub come at 05:48:31( it was not JUP) (please note given time maybe def. in some second ) NOW JUP SUB COME AT 05:55:15 NOW TELL ME WHAT IS THE POSSITION IF ONE BABY BORN @ 5.30 AND COME TO YOU ????? ACORDING TO YOU ON THAT DAY STARLORD OF MOON IS JUP SO HOW JUP COME AS SUBLORD OF ASC.???????Try to under stand my point. and calculate what is the duration of jup sub for today.JUP sub come only in 24 H( for today)27th time only(in each star only one time). that means aprox. 1 time in 54 min.(it will change acording to asc. duration) waiting for your reply with calculation. regards kanak bosmia >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:09:20 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > >Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > >Dear Lajmi ji, > >nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics. > >Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > >Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ????? > >Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation. > >I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact. > >regards > >kanak bosmia > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > > > > > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji > >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Kanakji, > > There is a fallacy in your argument... > > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... > > The rule is ..." the sublord of the ascendant at the time of Birth,must "tell" (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time is absolutely correct... > > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many births... > > With highest regards, > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: > > > >Dear Lajmi ji, > > > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > > > >why? > >we take example for today > > > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > > > >--- > >------ > >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. > >9 M. 32 S. > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) > >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) > >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : > >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END > >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) > >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end > >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) > >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end > >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end > >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end > >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END > >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END > >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > > (Sat-Ket 27:32) > >--- > >------ > > > >In Moring 5:30 AM > > > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > > > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > > > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury > >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME > >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. > >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . > >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. > >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE > >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? > >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > > > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE > >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > > > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i > >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > > > >regards > > > >kanak bosmia > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > >wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that > >when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the > >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most > >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the > >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no > >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to > >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > > With kind regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the > >7th > > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See > >TW's > > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear > >if > > > this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other > >matters, > > > not just marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals > >for > > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, > >mostly > > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 > >or > > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there > >will > > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and > >10 > > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the > >denial of > > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs > >and > > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > > promised > > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > ><anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and > >1st. > > > > > Mangalya (esp > > > > > > of > > > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it > >has > > > > to > > > > > do with > > > > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > > > longevity > > > > > of the > > > > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > ( > > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider > >the > > > > 8th > > > > > house as the > > > > > > > "maangalya-sthana"... > > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > >signification of > > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > > marriage > > > > > since > > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > > > recent > > > > > KP > > > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course > >not in > > > > KP > > > > > > > Readers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > > > reunion. > > > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > > > considering > > > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony > >and > > > > > discord > > > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for > >marriage, > > > > e.g. > > > > > in > > > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of > >Planets) > > > > and > > > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > > > taking > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" > ><kpk3010> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen > >that > > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and > >Mars. > > > > He > > > > > is > > > > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his > >own > > > > Sub. > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all > >these 4 > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, > >Moon, > > > > Mars > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own > >Sub. > > > > Let > > > > > me > > > > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one > >by > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > weak to give result) > > > > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with > >NO > > > > > PLANETS IN > > > > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > > > HOUSES) > > > > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect) > > > > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through > >aspect) > > > > Cusp > > > > > Sub > > > > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE > >VERY > > > > > > > POWERFUL > > > > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES. > > > > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS > >IN > > > > HIS > > > > > > > STARS > > > > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO > >HOUSES) > > > > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has > >not > > > > been > > > > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > > > since > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > > > other > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > > > `shadow' > > > > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or > >observe > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to > >clearly > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as > >Planets > > > > > since > > > > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and > >Moon. > > > > > Under > > > > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th > >Cusp, > > > > > that too > > > > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty > >to > > > > > fathom as > > > > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets > >in his > > > > > Stars > > > > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he > >will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have > >seen > > > > > above > > > > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios > >this > > > > Rahu > > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for > >giving > > > > him > > > > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > > > signification > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > > marriage > > > > > since > > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI > >LATE > > > > > SRI > > > > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > > > unless > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > > > straightaway > > > > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at > >all > > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th > >Cusp > > > > Sub > > > > > Lord, > > > > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since > >there > > > > > are no > > > > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage > >will > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > be there for this person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > > > operation on > > > > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. > >They are > > > > > > > MERCURY > > > > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of > >Rahu. > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the > >Sub > > > > Lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already > >discussed > > > > in > > > > > > > detail > > > > > > > > above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star > >of > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is > >favorably > > > > > placed > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note > >that > > > > this > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he > >is > > > > the > > > > > > > KARAKA > > > > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter > >and Sub > > > > of > > > > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already > >seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord > >for > > > > this > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is > >2nd to > > > > > the > > > > > > > 7th, > > > > > > > > his would be wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar > > > > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is : > > > > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship > >with > > > > > any > > > > > > > girl > > > > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 > >house > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu > >who > > > > is > > > > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972 > > > > > > > > > time: 15:12 > > > > > > > > > place: bangalore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no > >why it > > > > is > > > > > so > > > > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear Lajmi ji, Kanakji, For ASC 288-45-55 (SAT-MOON-MERC) @ 5-30 AM IST to move to 299-40-01 (SAT-MOON-KETU) will take the time of 3min-36sec for 54min-06sec in longitude of Asc, i.e. Asc (SAT-MOON-KETU) after 5-33-36 AM IST. As per Raichur's SW, on 02-03-2005, @ 5-34 AM IST, @ Ahmedabad, 23N02, 72E36, Sid Time 15-33-56, NKPA 23-50-20--- ASC 289-53-57 (SAT-MOON-KETU). Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > > Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji, > > nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics. > > Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > > Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ????? > > Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation. > > I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact. > > regards > > kanak bosmia > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > > > > > > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji > >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Kanakji, > > There is a fallacy in your argument... > > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... > > The rule is ... " the sublord of the ascendant at the time of Birth,must " tell " (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time is absolutely correct... > > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many births... > > With highest regards, > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > > >Dear Lajmi ji, > > > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > > > >why? > >we take example for today > > > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > > > >- -- > >------ > >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. > >9 M. 32 S. > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) > >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) > >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : > >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END > >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) > >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end > >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) > >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end > >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end > >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end > >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END > >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END > >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > > (Sat-Ket 27:32) > >- -- > >------ > > > >In Moring 5:30 AM > > > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > > > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > > > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury > >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME > >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. > >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . > >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. > >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE > >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? > >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > > > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE > >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > > > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i > >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > > > >regards > > > >kanak bosmia > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > >wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that > >when the sublord of the Ascendant " tells " the Moon-star-lord of the > >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most > >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the > >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no > >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to > >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > > With kind regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the > >7th > > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See > >TW's > > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear > >if > > > this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other > >matters, > > > not just marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals > >for > > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, > >mostly > > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 > >or > > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there > >will > > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and > >10 > > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the > >denial of > > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs > >and > > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > > promised > > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > ><anant_1608> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and > >1st. > > > > > Mangalya (esp > > > > > > of > > > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it > >has > > > > to > > > > > do with > > > > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > > > longevity > > > > > of the > > > > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > ( > > > > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider > >the > > > > 8th > > > > > house as the > > > > > > > " maangalya-sthana " ... > > > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > >signification of > > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > > marriage > > > > > since > > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > > > recent > > > > > KP > > > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course > >not in > > > > KP > > > > > > > Readers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > > > reunion. > > > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > > > considering > > > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony > >and > > > > > discord > > > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for > >marriage, > > > > e.g. > > > > > in > > > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of > >Planets) > > > > and > > > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > > > taking > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kpk3010 " > ><kpk3010> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen > >that > > > > > the 7th > > > > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and > >Mars. > > > > He > > > > > is > > > > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his > >own > > > > Sub. > > > > > He is > > > > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all > >these 4 > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, > >Moon, > > > > Mars > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own > >Sub. > > > > Let > > > > > me > > > > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one > >by > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > weak to give result) > > > > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with > >NO > > > > > PLANETS IN > > > > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > > > HOUSES) > > > > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect) > > > > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through > >aspect) > > > > Cusp > > > > > Sub > > > > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE > >VERY > > > > > > > POWERFUL > > > > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES. > > > > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS > >IN > > > > HIS > > > > > > > STARS > > > > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO > >HOUSES) > > > > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has > >not > > > > been > > > > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > > > since > > > > > they > > > > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > > > other > > > > > > > Planets > > > > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > > > `shadow' > > > > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or > >observe > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to > >clearly > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as > >Planets > > > > > since > > > > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and > >Moon. > > > > > Under > > > > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th > >Cusp, > > > > > that too > > > > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty > >to > > > > > fathom as > > > > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets > >in his > > > > > Stars > > > > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he > >will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have > >seen > > > > > above > > > > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios > >this > > > > Rahu > > > > > has > > > > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for > >giving > > > > him > > > > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > > > signification > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > > > marriage > > > > > since > > > > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI > >LATE > > > > > SRI > > > > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > > > > unless > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > > > > straightaway > > > > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at > >all > > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th > >Cusp > > > > Sub > > > > > Lord, > > > > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since > >there > > > > > are no > > > > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage > >will > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > be there for this person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > > > > operation on > > > > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. > >They are > > > > > > > MERCURY > > > > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of > >Rahu. > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the > >Sub > > > > Lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already > >discussed > > > > in > > > > > > > detail > > > > > > > > above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star > >of > > > > > Mercury > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is > >favorably > > > > > placed > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note > >that > > > > this > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he > >is > > > > the > > > > > > > KARAKA > > > > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter > >and Sub > > > > of > > > > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already > >seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord > >for > > > > this > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is > >2nd to > > > > > the > > > > > > > 7th, > > > > > > > > his would be wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar > > > > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Guruji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is : > > > > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship > >with > > > > > any > > > > > > > girl > > > > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 > >house > > > > > cancer > > > > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu > >who > > > > is > > > > > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972 > > > > > > > > > time: 15:12 > > > > > > > > > place: bangalore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no > >why it > > > > is > > > > > so > > > > > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Dear all, What has been given should be understood in totality. "The lagna cusp sublord in the birthchart of a native should tell the birthstar of the native correctly,in one way or the other.Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birthstar of the native,and the birthchart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birthtime."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.) Here we should understand the message being given by above rule from words as highlighted by me in red. It could be in three ways:- 1. The Sub Lord of Asc. it self could be moon star lord. 2. The Star lord or sub lord or Sub-Sub lord of Asc. Sub lord could be moon star lord. 3. The star lord of moon could be in the star or sub or Sub-Sub of the Asc. Sublord. If any one of above connection exists we can presume that the Birth time is correct and then if other events are also reflected correctly through dasa potential and corrosponding cusp Sub lord than the birth time can taken as the accurate otherwise it needs to be corrected with the help of the RP to get cuch a Asc. Sub lord which satisfyies above. With regards, Mukesh - tw853 Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:04 PM Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji Dear Lajmi ji, Kanakji,For ASC 288-45-55 (SAT-MOON-MERC) @ 5-30 AM IST to move to 299-40-01 (SAT-MOON-KETU) will take the time of 3min-36sec for 54min-06sec in longitude of Asc, i.e. Asc (SAT-MOON-KETU) after 5-33-36 AM IST.As per Raichur's SW, on 02-03-2005, @ 5-34 AM IST, @ Ahmedabad, 23N02, 72E36, Sid Time 15-33-56, NKPA 23-50-20---ASC 289-53-57 (SAT-MOON-KETU). Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards,> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> > > Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> > Dear Lajmi ji,> > nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics.> > Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > > Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ?????> > Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation.> > I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact.> > regards> > kanak bosmia> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Dear Mukesh, Thankyou for your painstaking elaboration,of a rule,which I thought was already understood very well by almost all K.P. followers... With kind regards, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! mukesh <mukeshgupta wrote: Dear all, What has been given should be understood in totality. "The lagna cusp sublord in the birthchart of a native should tell the birthstar of the native correctly,in one way or the other.Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birthstar of the native,and the birthchart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birthtime."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.) Here we should understand the message being given by above rule from words as highlighted by me in red. It could be in three ways:- 1. The Sub Lord of Asc. it self could be moon star lord. 2. The Star lord or sub lord or Sub-Sub lord of Asc. Sub lord could be moon star lord. 3. The star lord of moon could be in the star or sub or Sub-Sub of the Asc. Sublord. If any one of above connection exists we can presume that the Birth time is correct and then if other events are also reflected correctly through dasa potential and corrosponding cusp Sub lord than the birth time can taken as the accurate otherwise it needs to be corrected with the help of the RP to get cuch a Asc. Sub lord which satisfyies above. With regards, Mukesh - tw853 Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:04 PM Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji Dear Lajmi ji, Kanakji,For ASC 288-45-55 (SAT-MOON-MERC) @ 5-30 AM IST to move to 299-40-01 (SAT-MOON-KETU) will take the time of 3min-36sec for 54min-06sec in longitude of Asc, i.e. Asc (SAT-MOON-KETU) after 5-33-36 AM IST.As per Raichur's SW, on 02-03-2005, @ 5-34 AM IST, @ Ahmedabad, 23N02, 72E36, Sid Time 15-33-56, NKPA 23-50-20---ASC 289-53-57 (SAT-MOON-KETU). Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards,> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> > > Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> > Dear Lajmi ji,> > nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics.> > Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > > Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. time is few fractions of a minute... ?????> > Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation.> > I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with real fact.> > regards> > kanak bosmia> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Dear Yogeshi,Kanakji The longest sub is of Venus; 2 deg 13 min,20 secs. The Asc changes app at 1 deg per 4 minutes. So it will take about 9 minutes to pass the Venus SUB. The min is SUN, which is 46min 40 sec. So to traverse this degree it will require about 3minutes. simple arithmatics. good luck --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the > longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6 > mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards, > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > > Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: > > Dear Lajmi ji, > > nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics. > > Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > > Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few > fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come > after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s. > time is few fractions of a minute... ????? > > Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation. > > I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable > oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with > real fact. > > regards > > kanak bosmia > > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > > > > > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji > >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Kanakji, > > There is a fallacy in your argument... > > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few > fractions of a minute... > > The rule is ... " the sublord of the ascendant at the > time of Birth,must " tell " (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some > way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time > is absolutely correct... > > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this > rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many > births... > > With highest regards, > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: > > > >Dear Lajmi ji, > > > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > > > >why? > >we take example for today > > > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > > > >--- > >------ > >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. > >9 M. 32 S. > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) > >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) > >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : > >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END > >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) > >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end > >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) > >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end > >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end > >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end > >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END > >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END > >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > > (Sat-Ket 27:32) > >--- > >------ > > > >In Moring 5:30 AM > > > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > > > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > > > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury > >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME > >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. > >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . > >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. > >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE > >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? > >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > > > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE > >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > > > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i > >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > > > >regards > > > >kanak bosmia > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > >wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that > >when the sublord of the Ascendant " tells " the Moon-star-lord of the > >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most > >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the > >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no > >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to > >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > > With kind regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the > >7th > > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See > >TW's > > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear > >if > > > this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other > >matters, > > > not just marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals > >for > > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, > >mostly > > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 > >or > > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there > >will > > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and > >10 > > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the > >denial of > > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs > >and > > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > > promised > > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > === message truncated === ===== --------- A.R.Raichur bombay anant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY tel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Dears Mr.Raichur,Mr.Bosmia, Yes,I agree there was an error,it should have been written as "just a few minutes",not a fraction of ... Thank you ,with kind regards, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Yogeshi,KanakjiThe longest sub is of Venus; 2 deg 13 min,20 secs. The Asc changes app at 1 deg per 4 minutes. So it will take about 9 minutes to pass the Venus SUB. The min is SUN, which is 46min 40 sec. So to traverse thisdegree it will require about 3minutes. simple arithmatics. good luck--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> Dear Kanakji, > The Ascendant moves 1 degree in 4 minutes...hence the> longest sub is Sat which is only 6 mins 00 secs...i.e.,the Ascendant moves 6> mins 00 secs,ie 1/10th of a degree in how much time Kanakji ? > Pl. correct me if I'm > With regards,> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> > > Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:> > Dear Lajmi ji,> > nathing falllacy in my calculation. totaly mathematics.> > Please give calculation when jup sub come after 5:30 AM frist. > > Your mantion that " The sublord of the ascendant must change every few> fractions of a minute... " I am given example in my post that JUP sub come> after 5:30 is only at 05:55;45 . and defferance is 25m:45s.. Is 25m:45s.> time is few fractions of a minute... ?????> > Please give details with calculation what fallacy in my calculation.> > I request Mr. Raichur ji to check my calculations and give his valueable> oppinion. and also all friend please check this calculation and reply with> real fact.> > regards> > kanak bosmia> > >Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > > > > > > >Re: Re: Question on signification/Lajmi ji > >Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Kanakji, > > There is a fallacy in your argument... > > The sublord of the ascendant must change every few> fractions of a minute... > > The rule is ..." the sublord of the ascendant at the> time of Birth,must "tell" (sic),the Moon-star at the time of birth...in some> way...and,if it happens to be the Moon-star-lord itself, then the birth-time> is absolutely correct... > > Pl. refer p.237,Vol II,Astrosecrets & K.P.... > > Please contemplate a bit and you will find that this> rule for verification of birth time is very correct and applicable to many> births... > > With highest regards, > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > >kanbosastro <kanbosastro wrote: > > > >Dear Lajmi ji, > > > >I am totaly diagree with this ruls. > > > >why? > >we take example for today > > > >Today MOON is in JUP star up to 19:01 As per Raichur's Panchang > > > >--- > >------ > >DATE WEDNESDAY 2 3 2005 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 16 H. > >9 M. 32 S. > > Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min. > >SUN. 11 17 40 20 Sat Rah Sun : ends at 16:00) > >MOON 7 25 45 21 Ven Jup Mer : ends at 05:32) > >MOON 1 8 2 28 59 Mar Jup Rah : > >MARS 9 22 41 0 Jup Ven Sat : NO END > >MERC 12 0 50 1 Jup Jup Mar : ends at 12:13) > >JUP. -R 6 23 48 49 Mer Mar Mar : NO end > >VEN. 11 10 22 43 Sat Rah Jup : ends at 06:46) > >SAT. -R 3 26 54 8 Mer Jup Ven : NO end > >RAHU -R 1 1 18 26 Mar Ket Ven : NO end > >KETU -R 7 1 18 26 Ven Mar Mer : NO end > >URAN 11 13 11 32 Sat Rah Mer : NO END > >NEPT 10 22 13 24 Sat Moo Ven : NO END > >MOON:(Jup-Ket 07:02)(Jup-Ven 10:58)(Jup-Sun 12:08)(Jup-Moo 14:06) > > (Jup-Mar 15:28)(Jup-Rah 19:01)(Sat-Sat 22:47)(Sat-Mer 26:09) > > (Sat-Ket 27:32) > >--- > >------ > > > >In Moring 5:30 AM > > > >DATE DD,MM,YYYY e.g. 9,2,1997 ? 02,03,2005 > > TIME:24 HR BASIS not AM/PM,Hr,Mi.Sec ? 05,30 PLACE: AHMEDABAD > > > >ASC= 288 45 55 SAT MOON MERC > > > > > >Rasi lord Saturn Starlord Moon sublord Mercury > >BUT MOON STAR LORD IS JUP SO NO ONE BABY BORN AT THIS TIME > >ACCCRODING TO YOUR MENTION RULS. > >ONLY AT 05:55;45 JUP SUB COME . > >DEFFRENCE IS 25m:45s. > >IN THIS 25m:45s WHAT HEPPANED?? THOSE WHO BORN DURING THIS TIME ARE > >COUNT AS 05:55;45 ONLY??? > >IS IT TRUE WAY??? > > > >I WILL GIVE ALL TODAY'S 24 H. TIME WHEN JUP SUB COME.IF ANY ONE > >WANT FOR HIS RECORD. > > > >Please do not misunderstand me.only i want to clear this point and i > >think some one was clear this point in past mail. > > > >regards > > > >kanak bosmia > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > >wrote: > > > Dear Rangarajan, > > > As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that > >when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the > >native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most > >accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237). > > > Therefore,If the birthchart meets the > >above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no > >doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to > >apply...atleast,in my humble experience... > > > With kind regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For > > > marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the > >7th > > > CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See > >TW's > > > quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is > > > used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear > >if > > > this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other > >matters, > > > not just marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rangarajan > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear KPK, > > > > > > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals > >for > > > > KP learners like me. One more --- > > > > > > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, > >mostly > > > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 > >or > > > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there > >will > > > > >>no marriage at all in his life time. > > > > > > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and > >10 > > > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the > >denial of > > > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs > >and > > > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > > > promised > > > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tin Win > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur > === message truncated ========--------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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