Question on signification

March 2, 2005

Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For

marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th

CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's

quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is

used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if

this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other matters,

not just marriage.

Regards,

Rangarajan

, " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear KPK,

>

> Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for

> KP learners like me. One more ---

>

> >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly

> >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or

> >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will

> >>no marriage at all in his life time.

>

> As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp

> sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10

> houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of

> marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and

> also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,

> >

> > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be

> promised

> > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Tin Win

> >

> > , anant raichur <anant_1608>

> > wrote:

> > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st.

> > Mangalya (esp

> > > of

> > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has

> to

> > do with

> > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the

> longevity

> > of the

> > > married life, after marriage.

> > > good luck

> > > (

> > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear tw853,

> > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the

> 8th

> > house as the

> > > > " maangalya-sthana " ...

> > > > lyrastro1

> > > >

> > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kpk,

> > > >

> > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of

> > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> marriage

> > since

> > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.

> > > >

> > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets,

> recent

> > KP

> > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in

> KP

> > > > Readers)

> > > >

> > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to

> > reunion.

> > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for

> > considering

> > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and

> > discord

> > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage,

> e.g.

> > in

> > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets)

> and

> > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale

> taking

> > 8th

> > > > in judging whether marriage is promised?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that

> > the 7th

> > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars.

> He

> > is

> > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own

> Sub.

> > He is

> > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4

> > > > Planets

> > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon,

> Mars

> > and

> > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub.

> Let

> > me

> > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by

> one.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is

> > considered

> > > > > weak to give result)

> > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO

> > PLANETS IN

> > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE

> HOUSES)

> > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)

> > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect)

> Cusp

> > Sub

> > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY

> > > > POWERFUL

> > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.

> > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN

> HIS

> > > > STARS

> > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)

> > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not

> been

> > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results

> since

> > they

> > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any

> other

> > > > Planets

> > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word

> `shadow'

> > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe

> > anything

> > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly

> > > > understand

> > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets

> > since

> > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon.

> > Under

> > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp,

> > that too

> > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to

> > fathom as

> > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his

> > Stars

> > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will

> > definitely

> > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen

> > above

> > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this

> Rahu

> > has

> > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving

> him

> > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that

> > signification

> > > > of

> > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> marriage

> > since

> > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE

> > SRI

> > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that

> unless

> > the

> > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can

> > straightaway

> > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at all

> in

> > his

> > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th Cusp

> Sub

> > Lord,

> > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since there

> > are no

> > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage will

> > > > definitely

> > > > > be there for this person.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in

> > operation on

> > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. They are

> > > > MERCURY

> > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of Rahu.

> > Though

> > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the Sub

> Lord

> > is

> > > > very

> > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already discussed

> in

> > > > detail

> > > > > above.

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star of

> > Mercury

> > > > the

> > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is favorably

> > placed

> > > > the

> > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note that

> this

> > > > Venus

> > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he is

> the

> > > > KARAKA

> > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter and Sub

> of

> > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already seen.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will

> > definitely

> > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord for

> this

> > Venus

> > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is 2nd to

> > the

> > > > 7th,

> > > > > his would be wife.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kpk3010

> > > > >

> > > > > , sathish kumar

> > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote:

> > > > > > Guruji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > my question is :

> > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship with

> > any

> > > > girl

> > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 house

> > cancer

> > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu who

> is

> > > > > posited in 12 house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972

> > > > > > time: 15:12

> > > > > > place: bangalore

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no why it

> is

> > so

> > > > > (technically)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > plz tell why it is so

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

> > > >

March 2, 2005

Dear Rangarajan,

You're right and raised a very good point. In my personal view, it

cannot be taken literally and it's required to study follow-up

details, e.g. how comprehensively 7th sublord is reviewed in p 108 of

KP Reader IV after giving a broad statement that marriage will take

place if this sublord is a significator of the house governing

martial affairs. Same thing with other matters as mentioned in KP

Reader III, " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied.

Many modifications are to be included. " Astrlogical rules may not be

set in mathematical equations; if so, it will be a dull subject and

not so exiting as we're discussing.

Best regrds,

tw

, " Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy "

<ranga@m...> wrote:

>

> Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For

> marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th

> CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See

TW's

> quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is

> used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if

> this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other matters,

> not just marriage.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear KPK,

> >

> > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals

for

> > KP learners like me. One more ---

> >

> > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM,

mostly

> > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7

or

> > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there

will

> > >>no marriage at all in his life time.

> >

> > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp

> > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and

10

> > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the

denial of

> > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs

and

> > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,

> > >

> > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be

> > promised

> > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Tin Win

> > >

> > > , anant raichur

<anant_1608>

> > > wrote:

> > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and

1st.

> > > Mangalya (esp

> > > > of

> > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it

has

> > to

> > > do with

> > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the

> > longevity

> > > of the

> > > > married life, after marriage.

> > > > good luck

> > > > (

> > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear tw853,

> > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider

the

> > 8th

> > > house as the

> > > > > " maangalya-sthana " ...

> > > > > lyrastro1

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kpk,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification

of

> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> > marriage

> > > since

> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets,

> > recent

> > > KP

> > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not

in

> > KP

> > > > > Readers)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to

> > > reunion.

> > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for

> > > considering

> > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony

and

> > > discord

> > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for

marriage,

> > e.g.

> > > in

> > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of

Planets)

> > and

> > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale

> > taking

> > > 8th

> > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen

that

> > > the 7th

> > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and

Mars.

> > He

> > > is

> > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own

> > Sub.

> > > He is

> > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all

these 4

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun,

Moon,

> > Mars

> > > and

> > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own

Sub.

> > Let

> > > me

> > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one

by

> > one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is

> > > considered

> > > > > > weak to give result)

> > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO

> > > PLANETS IN

> > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE

> > HOUSES)

> > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)

> > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect)

> > Cusp

> > > Sub

> > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE

VERY

> > > > > POWERFUL

> > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.

> > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS

IN

> > HIS

> > > > > STARS

> > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO

HOUSES)

> > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has

not

> > been

> > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results

> > since

> > > they

> > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any

> > other

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word

> > `shadow'

> > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe

> > > anything

> > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to

clearly

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as

Planets

> > > since

> > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and

Moon.

> > > Under

> > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th

Cusp,

> > > that too

> > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty

to

> > > fathom as

> > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in

his

> > > Stars

> > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will

> > > definitely

> > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have

seen

> > > above

> > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this

> > Rahu

> > > has

> > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for

giving

> > him

> > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that

> > > signification

> > > > > of

> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> > marriage

> > > since

> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI

LATE

> > > SRI

> > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that

> > unless

> > > the

> > > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can

> > > straightaway

> > > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at

all

> > in

> > > his

> > > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th

Cusp

> > Sub

> > > Lord,

> > > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since

there

> > > are no

> > > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage

will

> > > > > definitely

> > > > > > be there for this person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in

> > > operation on

> > > > > > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. They

are

> > > > > MERCURY

> > > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of

Rahu.

> > > Though

> > > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the Sub

> > Lord

> > > is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already

discussed

> > in

> > > > > detail

> > > > > > above.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star

of

> > > Mercury

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is

favorably

> > > placed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note

that

> > this

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he

is

> > the

> > > > > KARAKA

> > > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter and

Sub

> > of

> > > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already

seen.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will

> > > definitely

> > > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord for

> > this

> > > Venus

> > > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is 2nd

to

> > > the

> > > > > 7th,

> > > > > > his would be wife.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kpk3010

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , sathish kumar

> > > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote:

> > > > > > > Guruji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > my question is :

> > > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship

with

> > > any

> > > > > girl

> > > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7

house

> > > cancer

> > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu

who

> > is

> > > > > > posited in 12 house

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972

> > > > > > > time: 15:12

> > > > > > > place: bangalore

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no why

it

> > is

> > > so

> > > > > > (technically)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > plz tell why it is so

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

> > > > >

March 2, 2005

As I have already said, this is a form of 4 step Method. Use 7th cusp sub lord.

If it gives positive results, then ok. If not try the STAR Lord of 7th cusp

Lord, then only decide on Yes or know

In the case of 50 couples, mostly family members I tried to find the

relationship between ASC SUB of Male with 7th SUB of female and viceversa.

I found that a direct connection existed in only 14 % cases. I then extendedd

the connection thru Star Lords of thes cusps. There was more compatible

results.

When Rahu/ketu are involved then the planets for whom they act are also to be

considered. With this extension, 96 % of the cases satisfied the condition of

Connetion, between the ASC su, and 7th SUB of the spouse and vice versa.

So it is my opininion that for Marriage also we shuld consider the Star Lord of

the 7th, and find if a connection is there with 2nd/7th or 11th

--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

>

> Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For

> marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th

> CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's

> quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is

> used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if

> this is just an " imprecise " expression. Similarly for other matters,

> not just marriage.

>

> Regards,

> Rangarajan

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear KPK,

> >

> > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for

> > KP learners like me. One more ---

> >

> > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly

> > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or

> > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will

> > >>no marriage at all in his life time.

> >

> > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp

> > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10

> > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of

> > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and

> > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,

> > >

> > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be

> > promised

> > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Tin Win

> > >

> > > , anant raichur <anant_1608>

> > > wrote:

> > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st.

> > > Mangalya (esp

> > > > of

> > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has

> > to

> > > do with

> > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the

> > longevity

> > > of the

> > > > married life, after marriage.

> > > > good luck

> > > > (

> > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear tw853,

> > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the

> > 8th

> > > house as the

> > > > > " maangalya-sthana " ...

> > > > > lyrastro1

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kpk,

> > > > >

> > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of

> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> > marriage

> > > since

> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets,

> > recent

> > > KP

> > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in

> > KP

> > > > > Readers)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to

> > > reunion.

> > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for

> > > considering

> > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and

> > > discord

> > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage,

> > e.g.

> > > in

> > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets)

> > and

> > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale

> > taking

> > > 8th

> > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kpk3010 " <kpk3010>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that

> > > the 7th

> > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars.

> > He

> > > is

> > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own

> > Sub.

> > > He is

> > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon,

> > Mars

> > > and

> > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub.

> > Let

> > > me

> > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by

> > one.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is

> > > considered

> > > > > > weak to give result)

> > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO

> > > PLANETS IN

> > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE

> > HOUSES)

> > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)

> > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect)

> > Cusp

> > > Sub

> > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY

> > > > > POWERFUL

> > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.

> > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN

> > HIS

> > > > > STARS

> > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)

> > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not

> > been

> > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results

> > since

> > > they

> > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any

> > other

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word

> > `shadow'

> > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe

> > > anything

> > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly

> > > > > understand

> > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets

> > > since

> > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon.

> > > Under

> > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp,

> > > that too

> > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to

> > > fathom as

> > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his

> > > Stars

> > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will

> > > definitely

> > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen

> > > above

> > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this

> > Rahu

> > > has

> > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving

> > him

> > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that

> > > signification

> > > > > of

> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give

> > marriage

> > > since

> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE

> > > SRI

> > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that

>

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Dear Mr.Raichur,

I have previously also quoted from page no.237,from ASTROSECRETS & K.P.,by Mr.K.Subramaniam,and l qoute para 2 again, before I make my point...(the K.P. axiom is stated below...)

"The lagna cusp sublord in the birthchart of a native should tell the birthstar of the native correctly,in one way or the other.Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birthstar of the native,and the birthchart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birthtime."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

The point I wish to make is that in the charts of the 50 couples,that you have used to analyse,how many charts meet the above criteria ...? This point I'm trying to make is,I am sure you will understand,for obvious reasons...because as per K.P., the wife,partner,the thief,the husband,the opponent, etc...are accurately described by the sublord...as per the context ...(especially in horary astrology...)

I have in an earlier mail informed you of my previous experiences in "correcting birt-times" ...very accurately,as corroborated by the timing of past events in life,like marriage,birth of children, and the of the children...etc...corresponding to the sublords of the Vth and other relevant houses...etc...using the the axiom stated above...

The axiom stated above,in my experience has almost always proved correct...which I use,to verify a chart before examining it...and if need be,I correct it first,and I also examine the longevity of a chart at the very outset, when a chart is presented to me for analysis,as advised by Guruji...

I hope you will not misunderstand my sudden interjection,I have mailed this to you only to get more clarity,from your richer experience of many more years than mine...

With highest regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:

As I have already said, this is a form of 4 step Method. Use 7th cusp sub lord.If it gives positive results, then ok. If not try the STAR Lord of 7th cuspLord, then only decide on Yes or knowIn the case of 50 couples, mostly family members I tried to find therelationship between ASC SUB of Male with 7th SUB of female and viceversa. I found that a direct connection existed in only 14 % cases. I then extendeddthe connection thru Star Lords of thes cusps. There was more compatibleresults.When Rahu/ketu are involved then the planets for whom they act are also to beconsidered. With this extension, 96 % of the cases satisfied the condition ofConnetion, between the ASC su, and 7th SUB of the spouse and vice versa.So it is my opininion that for Marriage also we shuld consider the Star Lord ofthe 7th, and find if a

connection is there with 2nd/7th or 11th--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For> marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th> CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's> quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is> used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if> this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other matters,> not just marriage.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear KPK,> > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for > > KP learners like me. One more ---> > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI

K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will > > >>no marriage at all in his life time.> > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10 > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,> > > >

> > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > promised > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > Tin Win> > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st. > > > Mangalya (esp> > > > of > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has > > to > > > do with> > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > longevity > > > of the> > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > good luck> > > > (> > > >

--- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the > > 8th > > > house as the> > > > > "maangalya-sthana"...> > > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of> > > > >

> houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.> > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > recent > > > KP > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in > > KP > > > > > Readers)> > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > reunion. > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > considering > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and > > > discord > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage, > > e.g.

> > > in > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets) > > and > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > taking > > > 8th > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" <kpk3010> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that > > > the 7th> > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun,

Moon and Mars. > > He > > > is> > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own > > Sub. > > > He is> > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4 > > > > > Planets> > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon, > > Mars > > > and> > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub. > > Let > > > me> > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by > > one.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > considered> > > > > > weak to give result)> > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and

12 with NO > > > PLANETS IN> > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > HOUSES)> > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)> > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect) > > Cusp > > > Sub> > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY > > > > > POWERFUL> > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.> > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN > > HIS > > > > > STARS> > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)> > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not > > been> > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in

the matter of giving results > > since > > > they> > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > other > > > > > Planets> > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > `shadow'> > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe > > > anything> > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly > > > > > understand> > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets > > > since> > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon. > > > Under> > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp, > > > that too> > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN

ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to > > > fathom as> > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his > > > Stars> > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will > > > definitely> > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen > > > above> > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this > > Rahu > > > has> > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving > > him> > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > signification > > > > > of> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th

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Dear Rangarajan,

As per K.P., the correct birthtime is that when the sublord of the Ascendant "tells" the Moon-star-lord of the native..if it is the same as the starlord,then the birthtime is most accurate.( ref: Astrosecrets & K.P., Vol II,p.237).

Therefore,If the birthchart meets the above criteria,ONLY then it is very correct...and if so,I have no doubt that the rule you have quoted will surely found to apply...atleast,in my humble experience...

With kind regards,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:

Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. Formarriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7thCSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW'squote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord isused and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear ifthis is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other matters,not just marriage.Regards,Rangarajan , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > Dear KPK,> > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for > KP learners like me. One more ---> > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or

> >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will > >>no marriage at all in his life time.> > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10 > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)> > > Best regards,> > tw > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,> > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > promised > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.> > > > Best regards,> > > > > > Tin

Win> > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > wrote:> > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st. > > Mangalya (esp> > > of > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has > to > > do with> > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > longevity > > of the> > > married life, after marriage. > > > good luck> > > (> > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> > > > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the > 8th > > house as the> > > >

"maangalya-sthana"...> > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Kpk,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of> > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > marriage > > since> > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.> > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > recent > > KP > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in > KP

> > > > Readers)> > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > reunion. > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > considering > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and > > discord > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage, > e.g. > > in > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets) > and > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > taking > > 8th > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" <kpk3010> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that > > the 7th> > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars. > He > > is> > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own > Sub. > > He is> > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4 > > > > Planets> > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon, > Mars > > and> > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub. > Let > > me> > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by >

one.> > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > considered> > > > > weak to give result)> > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO > > PLANETS IN> > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > HOUSES)> > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)> > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect) > Cusp > > Sub> > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY > > > > POWERFUL> > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.> > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN > HIS > > > > STARS> > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO

GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)> > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not > been> > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > since > > they> > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > other > > > > Planets> > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > `shadow'> > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe > > anything> > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly > > > > understand> > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets > > since> > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon. > > Under> > > > > the circumstances this Rahu

taking the control of 7th Cusp, > > that too> > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to > > fathom as> > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his > > Stars> > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will > > definitely> > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen > > above> > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this > Rahu > > has> > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving > him> > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > signification > > > > of> > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > marriage > > since> > > >

> 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE > > SRI> > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > unless > > the> > > > > 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or 11, we can > > straightaway> > > > > decide that for such a person there will no marriage at all > in > > his> > > > > life time. However in the case of this person the 7th Cusp > Sub > > Lord,> > > > > Rahu, is controlling the 7th Cusp very powerfully since there > > are no> > > > > Planets in his stars. Under the circumstances marriage will > > > > definitely> > > > > be there for this person.> > > > > > > > > > Now I am taking up for examination the period Lords in > > operation on> > >

> > the date of my giving this answer i.e., 28-02-2005. They are > > > > MERCURY> > > > > / VENUS / MOON / VENUS. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury the Dasa Lord is in the Star of Sun and Sub of Rahu. > > Though> > > > > Star Lord Sun is not favorable for marriage, Rahu the Sub > Lord > > is > > > > very> > > > > powerful to give marriage due the reasons already discussed > in > > > > detail> > > > > above.> > > > > > > > > > Venus the Bukthi and Sookshma Lord Venus is in the Star of > > Mercury > > > > the> > > > > Dasa Lord and Sub of Sun. Though the Dasa Lord is favorably > > placed > > > > the> > > > > Sub Lord Sun stands as a stumbling block. Please note

that > this > > > > Venus> > > > > is occupying the 7th with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS and he is > the > > > > KARAKA> > > > > PLANET FOR A MALE,for marriage.> > > > > > > > > > Lastly Moon the Anthar Lord is in the Star of Jupiter and Sub > of> > > > > the Dasa Lord Mercury who is favorably placed as already seen.> > > > > > > > > > Since Venus Bukthi is upto 6-3-2007 this individual will > > definitely> > > > > get married by that time in spite of Sun the Sub Lord for > this > > Venus> > > > > who (Sun) signifies very strongly 8th house, which is 2nd to > > the > > > > 7th,> > > > > his would be wife.> > > > > > > > > > Kpk3010 > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , sathish kumar> > > > > <sathish_kumar_a> wrote:> > > > > > Guruji,> > > > > > > > > > > > my question is :> > > > > > this person is not yet married and no relationship with > > any > > > > girl> > > > > in his life time, in his chart venus is posited in 7 house > > cancer > > > > > starlard: mercury (in 9th) and 7th cusp subload is rahu who > is> > > > > posited in 12 house > > > > > > > > > > > > dob: 22-09-1972> > > > > > time: 15:12> > > > > > place: bangalore> > > > > > > >

> > > > mercury dasa venus bukti running from sep 2004> > > > > > > > > > > > can he get a life partner if yes when it is if no why it > is > > so> > > > > (technically) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > plz tell why it is so> > > > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

March 2, 2005

Dear Yogesh Rao,

Would you please forward to me, the mail that describes the following:

"correcting birt-times" ...very accurately,as corroborated by the timing of past events in life,like marriage,birth of children, and the of the children...etc...corresponding to the sublords of the Vth and other relevant houses...etc...using the the axiom stated above...

Regards,

Upadhyaya

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Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:36 PM

Re: Question on signification

Dear Mr.Raichur,

I have previously also quoted from page no.237,from ASTROSECRETS & K.P.,by Mr.K.Subramaniam,and l qoute para 2 again, before I make my point...(the K.P. axiom is stated below...)

"The lagna cusp sublord in the birthchart of a native should tell the birthstar of the native correctly,in one way or the other.Such a lagna sublord that reveals the birthstar of the native,and the birthchart prepared according to that time is the true and correct birthtime."... (p.237,Vol II, Astrosecrets and K.P.)

The point I wish to make is that in the charts of the 50 couples,that you have used to analyse,how many charts meet the above criteria ...? This point I'm trying to make is,I am sure you will understand,for obvious reasons...because as per K.P., the wife,partner,the thief,the husband,the opponent, etc...are accurately described by the sublord...as per the context ...(especially in horary astrology...)

I have in an earlier mail informed you of my previous experiences in "correcting birt-times" ...very accurately,as corroborated by the timing of past events in life,like marriage,birth of children, and the of the children...etc...corresponding to the sublords of the Vth and other relevant houses...etc...using the the axiom stated above...

The axiom stated above,in my experience has almost always proved correct...which I use,to verify a chart before examining it...and if need be,I correct it first,and I also examine the longevity of a chart at the very outset, when a chart is presented to me for analysis,as advised by Guruji...

I hope you will not misunderstand my sudden interjection,I have mailed this to you only to get more clarity,from your richer experience of many more years than mine...

With highest regards,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:

As I have already said, this is a form of 4 step Method. Use 7th cusp sub lord.If it gives positive results, then ok. If not try the STAR Lord of 7th cuspLord, then only decide on Yes or knowIn the case of 50 couples, mostly family members I tried to find therelationship between ASC SUB of Male with 7th SUB of female and viceversa. I found that a direct connection existed in only 14 % cases. I then extendeddthe connection thru Star Lords of thes cusps. There was more compatibleresults.When Rahu/ketu are involved then the planets for whom they act are also to beconsidered. With this extension, 96 % of the cases satisfied the condition ofConnetion, between the ASC su, and 7th SUB of the spouse and vice versa.So it is my opininion that for Marriage also we shuld consider the Star Lord ofthe 7th, and find if a connection is there with 2nd/7th or 11th--- Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote:> > > Here is another aspect that has been bothering me for sometime. For> marriage, should the 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11, or should the 7th> CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11? See TW's> quote from KSK. I have noticed that in some places the starlord is> used and in some others the CSL is directly used. It is not clear if> this is just an "imprecise" expression. Similarly for other matters,> not just marriage.> > Regards,> Rangarajan> > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > Dear KPK,> > > > Please take my comments just for keeping Guruji KSK's originals for > > KP learners like me. One more ---> > > > >>But GURUJI LATE SRI K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly > > >>ruled that unless the 7th Cusp Sub Lord signifies either 2, 7 or > > >>11, we can > straightaway decide that for such a person there will > > >>no marriage at all in his life time.> > > > As per KP, marriage is denied (Grapes are sour.) when 7th cusp > > sublord is deposietd in the star of the significators of 4,6 and 10 > > houses because 12th to 2,7, & 11 (for marriage) indicates the denial of > > marriage and 4th (12th to 5) indicates failure in love affairs and > > also denial of children. (KP Reader IV, 1984, pp 105-106)> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > tw > > > > > > , "tw853" <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri Anant Raichur,> > > > > > I agree with you. That is why I'm aksing how marriage can be > > promised > > > by signification of 8th house by 7th cusp sublord.> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > > > Tin Win> > > > > > > > > > > > , anant raichur <anant_1608> > > > wrote:> > > > 8 th house is considered for Longevity, along with 3rd and 1st. > > > Mangalya (esp> > > > of > > > > Females) will be longevity of the Husband. I do not think it has > > to > > > do with> > > > marriage, though, one may take taht into considering the > > longevity > > > of the> > > > married life, after marriage. > > > > good luck> > > > (> > > > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> > > > > > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > > Allow me to add,that some also consider the > > 8th > > > house as the> > > > > "maangalya-sthana"...> > > > > lyrastro1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kpk,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that signification of> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th.> > > > > > > > > > 1. I can't find any reference like this in Astrosecrets, > > recent > > > KP > > > > > Year Books and other available KP litrature. (Of course not in > > KP > > > > > Readers)> > > > > > > > > > 2. 5th & 8th are mentioned in KP Readers with regard to > > > reunion. > > > > > Generally 5th (house of love affairs) is favorable for > > > considering > > > > > timing of marriage. But 8th (house of quarrel, disharmony and > > > discord > > > > > in married live), which is treated unfavorable for marriage, > > e.g. > > > in > > > > > KP Reader III, 1984, Part 1, p 109 (under Behavor of Planets) > > and > > > > > Astrosecrets, Part III, p 105. What will be the rationale > > taking > > > 8th > > > > > in judging whether marriage is promised? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kpk3010" <kpk3010> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Chart prepared as per K.P.Principles, it is seen that > > > the 7th> > > > > > Cusp Sub Lord is Rahu. He is aspected by Sun, Moon and Mars. > > He > > > is> > > > > > occupying the Sign of Saturn, and he (Rahu) is in his own > > Sub. > > > He is> > > > > > in the Star of Sun. Therefore we have to examine all these 4 > > > > > Planets> > > > > > closely to find an answer to the question viz., Sun, Moon, > > Mars > > > and> > > > > > Saturn, not to speak of Rahu himself who is in his own Sub. > > Let > > > me> > > > > > tabulate below the significations of these Planets, one by > > one.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun = 8,8,8,8 (5,6,7,8,9, and 10 through aspect which is > > > considered> > > > > > weak to give result)> > > > > > Moon = 11,2,3,12,7 (Cusp Sub Lord for 2,3 and 12 with NO > > > PLANETS IN> > > > > > HIS STARS, HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF TRHESE > > HOUSES)> > > > > > Mars = 8,8,8,4,11 (2,3,6,7,8,9 and 11 through aspect)> > > > > > Saturn = 8,5,4,11,1,2 (4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 through aspect) > > Cusp > > > Sub> > > > > > Lord for 4 and 10 with NO PLANETS IN HIS STARS AND HENCE VERY > > > > > POWERFUL> > > > > > TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES.> > > > > > Rahu = 8,12,8 (Cusp Sub Lord for 7 and 8 with NO PLANETS IN > > HIS > > > > > STARS> > > > > > AND HENCE VERY POWERFUL TO GIVE RESULT OF THESE TWO HOUSES)> > > > > > In all the astrological literature on KP Rahu/Kethu has not > > been> > > > > > satisfactorily discussed in the matter of giving results > > since > > > they> > > > > > are not Planets that can be observed physically like any > > other > > > > > Planets> > > > > > and they are also reported as shadowy Planets. The word > > `shadow'> > > > > > itself conveys the meaning that one cannot see or observe > > > anything> > > > > > clearly in a shadow and hence it is not possible to clearly > > > > > understand> > > > > > these Planets, though it is misnomer to call them as Planets > > > since> > > > > > they are only the cutting points in the path of Sun and Moon. > > > Under> > > > > > the circumstances this Rahu taking the control of 7th Cusp, > > > that too> > > > > > with NO PLANETS IN ITS STARS, throws a great difficulty to > > > fathom as> > > > > > to how it will give result. Since there are no Planets in his > > > Stars> > > > > > and controls the 7th Cusp, the House of Marriage, he will > > > definitely> > > > > > give marriage but after much delay and anxiety. We have seen > > > above> > > > > > that except Moon, the other Planets whose portfolios this > > Rahu > > > has> > > > > > taken for giving results, none other is favorable for giving > > him> > > > > > marriage. Some KP Astrologers are of the view of that > > > signification > > > > > of> > > > > > houses 5 and 8 by the 7th Cusp Sub Lord can also give > > marriage > > > since> > > > > > 5th is 11th to the 7th and 8th is 2nd to 7th. But GURUJI LATE > > > SRI> > > > > > K.S.KJI., INVERNTER OF THIS KP SYSTEM, mostly ruled that > === message truncated ========--------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranantUSE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday./netrospective/

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Hello

It is interesting debate raised by you ,In my opinion If 7th CSL signify 2 or 7 or 11,marriage will be promised but if 7th CSL be deposited in the star of the significators of 2/7/11 marriage will be promised provided the favorable signification of the sublord of the 7 csl for the marriage consideration.

I would like the comments on my opinion.

Thanks

AMIT Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy <ranga wrote: