Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 et al, I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt, According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, 6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses 7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have made the position clear. kpk3010 , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > et al, > > I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub > Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord > function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? > ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a > malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > > > Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Dear Ron, I feel cuapal sub lord will never function in it's natural nature.It will always act in it's functional nature and this will be determined from the strong significators of that cuspal sub-lord.So in one natal chart Jupiter may act as amalafic while Rahu or Saturn may act as a benific depending on their significators though by their very nature reverse may be true. Sunil D.Joshi. --- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > et al, > > I request opinions of members as to the state of > Cuspal Sub > Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal > Sub Lord > function in its natural nature, or act in its > functional nature? > ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does > it act as a > malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > > > Ron Gaunt > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 In kp no planet is regarded as a Benefic/Malefic. It all depends on what the planet signifies, and what matter one is considering. --- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > > et al, > > I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub > Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord > function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? > ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a > malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear KPK, Thank you for your explanation. I do realize that KP does not view any planet in general as specifically bad or good. However as you show below, planets are conditioned by position in the chart. Why I asked the question was because in 'Astrosecrets' Pt 3 in the chapter headed 'Principles of Sub Lords and Relevant Houses', on page 40, writing about the sub lords of the 2nd house the author specifies conditions of the planets as sub lords. ie. he states that if the sub lord is Mars it is 'Untruth and mischievous', whilst sub lord Sun is 'Noble, never lies'. What I was wondering is whether he considered the planets acting from their natural nature or from their functional nature. If I interpret your answer correctly ( and others who kindly responded) it appears that you would consider they operate from their functional nature only. This leaves me with the question of why he wrote it as he did, when it would not always be correct. Ron Gaunt On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:25:00 -0000, you wrote: > > > >Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt, >According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, >the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS >relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other >Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the >results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub >Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does >not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as >Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic >according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully >defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an >explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects >then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, >6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters >i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses >7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house >matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses >1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the >Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have >made the position clear. >kpk3010 > > > > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> et al, >> >> I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub >> Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord >> function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? >> ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a >> malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? >> >> >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear Ron, Prof. KSK himself wrote on this subject on page no.247 of the third Reader: Predictive Stellar Astrology as under: **8. How to find out whether a man speaks truth or not? Shakespeare has said “The cheek is apter than the tongue to tell an errand.” It means truth makes the face of a person shine who speaks. It is the second house which governs the face and also the tongue. If the sub-lord of the second cusp is governed by Mars in any manner connected with Mercury one speaks untruth. If the sub-lord is Saturn who is in any manner connected with Mercury then one hides some news and thereby omits to mention. If the sub-lord is Mercury and no other planet is connected with it, one gives the information in meticulous detail. If Venus governs, he is the peacemaker. If Venus is connected with Mercury, then as a peacemaker he will be clever to find out the strength and weakness of both the parties. If Sun governs the sub of second, one does his duty nobly and never lies. Thus one is to find out whether one utters a lie, whether carries the information and presents it correctly or how he conducts.** It is evident here that the author has considered the natural and not the functional nature. Hasmukhrai J Mehta.rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Dear KPK,Thank you for your explanation. I do realize that KP does notview any planet in general as specifically bad or good. Howeveras you show below, planets are conditioned by position in thechart.Why I asked the question was because in 'Astrosecrets' Pt 3in the chapter headed 'Principles of Sub Lords and RelevantHouses', on page 40, writing about the sub lords of the 2nd housethe author specifies conditions of the planets as sub lords.ie. he states that if the sub lord is Mars it is 'Untruth andmischievous', whilst sub lord Sun is 'Noble, never lies'. WhatI was wondering is whether he considered the planets acting fromtheir natural nature or from their functional nature. If I interpret your answer correctly ( and others who kindlyresponded) it appears that you would consider they operate fromtheir functional nature only. This leaves me with the questionof why he wrote it as he did, when it would not always becorrect.Ron GauntOn Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:25:00 -0000, you wrote:>>>>Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt,>According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI,>the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS>relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other>Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the>results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub>Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does>not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as>Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic>according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully>defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an>explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects>then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3,>6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters>i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses>7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house>matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses>1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the>Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have>made the position clear.>kpk3010 >>>>>>> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:>> >> et al,>> >> I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub>> Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord>> function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature?>> ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a>> malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so?>> >> >> Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear KPK, >>As an >explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects >then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, >6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters >i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses >7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house >matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses >1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. How can 8 (quarrel, disharmony and discord in married life) and 12 (sepration or divorce from spouse) and 4 (12 to 5: failure in love affairs/denial for marriage in judging whether marriage is promised/ denial for child birth) be good for martial matters? Best regards, tw , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Dear KPK, > > Thank you for your explanation. I do realize that KP does not > view any planet in general as specifically bad or good. However > as you show below, planets are conditioned by position in the > chart. > > Why I asked the question was because in 'Astrosecrets' Pt 3 > in the chapter headed 'Principles of Sub Lords and Relevant > Houses', on page 40, writing about the sub lords of the 2nd house > the author specifies conditions of the planets as sub lords. > ie. he states that if the sub lord is Mars it is 'Untruth and > mischievous', whilst sub lord Sun is 'Noble, never lies'. What > I was wondering is whether he considered the planets acting from > their natural nature or from their functional nature. > > If I interpret your answer correctly ( and others who kindly > responded) it appears that you would consider they operate from > their functional nature only. This leaves me with the question > of why he wrote it as he did, when it would not always be > correct. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:25:00 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt, > >According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, > >the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS > >relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other > >Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the > >results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub > >Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does > >not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as > >Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic > >according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully > >defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an > >explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects > >then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, > >6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters > >i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses > >7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house > >matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses > >1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the > >Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have > >made the position clear. > >kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> et al, > >> > >> I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub > >> Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord > >> function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? > >> ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a > >> malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear Ron, Author wrote about characteristic. NOT ABOUT RESULT OF SUBLORD. I think now you understnad view of auhtor. regards kanak bosmia >Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik > > >Re: Re: Cuspal Sub Lord >Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:57:31 -0800 (PST) > > >Dear Ron, > > > >Prof. KSK himself wrote on this subject on page no.247 of the third Reader: Predictive Stellar Astrology as under: > > > >**8. How to find out whether a man speaks truth or not? Shakespeare has said “The cheek is apter than the tongue to tell an errand.” It means truth makes the face of a person shine who speaks. It is the second house which governs the face and also the tongue. If the sub-lord of the second cusp is governed by Mars in any manner connected with Mercury one speaks untruth. If the sub-lord is Saturn who is in any manner connected with Mercury then one hides some news and thereby omits to mention. If the sub-lord is Mercury and no other planet is connected with it, one gives the information in meticulous detail. If Venus governs, he is the peacemaker. If Venus is connected with Mercury, then as a peacemaker he will be clever to find out the strength and weakness of both the parties. If Sun governs the sub of second, one does his duty nobly and never lies. Thus one is to find out whether one utters a lie, whether carries the information and presents it correctly or how he conducts.** > > > >It is evident here that the author has considered the natural and not the functional nature. > > > >Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > >rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: >Dear KPK, > >Thank you for your explanation. I do realize that KP does not >view any planet in general as specifically bad or good. However >as you show below, planets are conditioned by position in the >chart. > >Why I asked the question was because in 'Astrosecrets' Pt 3 >in the chapter headed 'Principles of Sub Lords and Relevant >Houses', on page 40, writing about the sub lords of the 2nd house >the author specifies conditions of the planets as sub lords. >ie. he states that if the sub lord is Mars it is 'Untruth and >mischievous', whilst sub lord Sun is 'Noble, never lies'. What >I was wondering is whether he considered the planets acting from >their natural nature or from their functional nature. > >If I interpret your answer correctly ( and others who kindly >responded) it appears that you would consider they operate from >their functional nature only. This leaves me with the question >of why he wrote it as he did, when it would not always be >correct. > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:25:00 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt, > >According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, > >the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS > >relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other > >Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the > >results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub > >Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does > >not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as > >Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic > >according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully > >defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an > >explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects > >then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, > >6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters > >i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses > >7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house > >matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses > >1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the > >Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have > >made the position clear. > >kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> et al, > >> > >> I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub > >> Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord > >> function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? > >> ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a > >> malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear Ron, You've got your point, i.e. both ways depending on the situation. You may be aware of " functional " malefic and benefic of Jupiter and Saturn in Astrosecrets, Part III, p 10 and spend thrift and economical " nature " of Mars and Saturn, ibid p 40. Best regards, tw , Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik> wrote: > > Dear Ron, > > > > Prof. KSK himself wrote on this subject on page no.247 of the third Reader: Predictive Stellar Astrology as under: > > > > **8. How to find out whether a man speaks truth or not? Shakespeare has said " The cheek is apter than the tongue to tell an errand. " It means truth makes the face of a person shine who speaks. It is the second house which governs the face and also the tongue. If the sub- lord of the second cusp is governed by Mars in any manner connected with Mercury one speaks untruth. If the sub-lord is Saturn who is in any manner connected with Mercury then one hides some news and thereby omits to mention. If the sub-lord is Mercury and no other planet is connected with it, one gives the information in meticulous detail. If Venus governs, he is the peacemaker. If Venus is connected with Mercury, then as a peacemaker he will be clever to find out the strength and weakness of both the parties. If Sun governs the sub of second, one does his duty nobly and never lies. Thus one is to find out whether one utters a lie, whether carries the information and presents it correctly or how he conducts.** > > > > It is evident here that the author has considered the natural and not the functional nature. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > Dear KPK, > > Thank you for your explanation. I do realize that KP does not > view any planet in general as specifically bad or good. However > as you show below, planets are conditioned by position in the > chart. > > Why I asked the question was because in 'Astrosecrets' Pt 3 > in the chapter headed 'Principles of Sub Lords and Relevant > Houses', on page 40, writing about the sub lords of the 2nd house > the author specifies conditions of the planets as sub lords. > ie. he states that if the sub lord is Mars it is 'Untruth and > mischievous', whilst sub lord Sun is 'Noble, never lies'. What > I was wondering is whether he considered the planets acting from > their natural nature or from their functional nature. > > If I interpret your answer correctly ( and others who kindly > responded) it appears that you would consider they operate from > their functional nature only. This leaves me with the question > of why he wrote it as he did, when it would not always be > correct. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:25:00 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Dear Mr.Ron Gaunt, > >According to the INVENTOR OF KP SYSTEM, LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, > >the Cuspal Sub Lords, are the final Arbiters FOR ALL THE MATTERS > >relating to that Cusp. In case such Sub Lords do not have any other > >Planets in their Stars, then they become very powerful to give the > >results of the relevant Cusps for which they have taken control as Sub > >Lords. Here the question of Benefic or Malefic nature of Planets does > >not arise. As a matter of fact in KP System there is no such thing as > >Benefic or Malefic Planet. All Planets are Benefic and Malefic > >according to their disposition in the Charts. Shri KSK has beautifully > >defined this Benefic/Malefic matter in regarsd to Planets. As an > >explanation - suppose one wants to know about one's marriage prospects > >then, all those Planets signifying the matters of the houses 1, 2, 3, > >6, 10 and 11 counted from the 7th, are good for the 7th house matters > >i.e., the Planets that are ln the Sub of the significatiors of houses > >7,8,9.12,4 and 5 are bendeficial to give result of this 7th house > >matters. Here you will notice that houses 7,8,9,12,4 and 5 are houses > >1,2,3,6,10 and 11 counted from 7th. This is the way to interpret the > >Benefic/Maldefic Planets in a Chart as per K.P.System. I hope I have > >made the position clear. > >kpk3010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> et al, > >> > >> I request opinions of members as to the state of Cuspal Sub > >> Lords. The question I ask is: Does the Cuspal Sub Lord > >> function in its natural nature, or act in its functional nature? > >> ie. Does Jupiter ALWAYS act as a benefic? or does it act as a > >> malefic if situation in the natal chart makes it so? > >> > >> > >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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