Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 et al, The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, but that the results for a particular technique may be simply the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with synchronicity. As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I need to experiment with what works for me. My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system and see the result. I will then check using additional significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes (time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by another similar experiment. On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies either on or off List. Please initially post your name to the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Ron, I am a new member. Please count me in. Thanks, Nagesh , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > et al, > > The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP > astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, > or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. > > This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time > ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, > but that the results for a particular technique may be simply > the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with > synchronicity. > > As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I > need to experiment with what works for me. > My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births > ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, > documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where > the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. > Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them > around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will > start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system > and see the result. I will then check using additional > significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me > works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will > consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes > (time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider > that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be > correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by > another similar experiment. > > On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense > of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. > Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from > other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that > they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any > members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in > this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies > either on or off List. Please initially post your name to > the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. > Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. > > > > Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Sir, Namaskar Realy a good move. Please start. Thanks Yours Shivendrarongaunt <rongaunt wrote: et al,The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between logers on whether to use just the original 5 significators,or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc.This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some timeago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong,but that the results for a particular technique may be simplythe expression of a persons own ability and alignment withsynchronicity.As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that Ineed to experiment with what works for me.My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed birthsie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate,documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and wherethe birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour.Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle themaround and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I willstart by assessing them using the original 5 significator systemand see the result. I will then check using additionalsignificators such as subs etc to try to determine which for meworks the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I willconsider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will considerthat where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to becorrect, that is the method I will use after confirming byanother similar experiment.On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good senseof timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity.Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results fromother members, particularly those who 'know' by experience thatthey have consistently been correct in using RPs. If anymembers (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part inthis experiment I will be happy to provide the case studieseither on or off List. Please initially post your name tothe List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment.Meanwhile I will gather some case studies.Ron Gaunt India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Ron Ji, Good idea. My favourite subject regards kanak bosmia >Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56 > > >Re: RP Experiment >Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:49:18 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Sir, >Namaskar > Realy a good move. Please start. > >Thanks >Yours >Shivendra > >rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: >et al, > >The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP >astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, >or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. > >This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time >ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, >but that the results for a particular technique may be simply >the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with >synchronicity. > >As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I >need to experiment with what works for me. >My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births >ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, >documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where >the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. >Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them >around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will >start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system >and see the result. I will then check using additional >significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me >works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will >consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes >(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider >that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be >correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by >another similar experiment. > >On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense >of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. >Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from >other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that >they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any >members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in >this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies >either on or off List. Please initially post your name to >the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. >Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P., I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters. When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the "traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as ..."nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology..." etc.... All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and "nit-pickers",who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as-contradictory, "principles/dicta" from "ancient masters,rishis...etc...", while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...! For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation... The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc. Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis... K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon... However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy...",as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology... Regards, lyrastro1 Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56 wrote: Dear Sir, Namaskar Realy a good move. Please start. Thanks Yours Shivendrarongaunt <rongaunt wrote: et al,The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between logers on whether to use just the original 5 significators,or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc.This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some timeago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong,but that the results for a particular technique may be simplythe expression of a persons own ability and alignment withsynchronicity.As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that Ineed to experiment with what works for me.My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed birthsie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate,documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and wherethe birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour.Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle themaround and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I willstart by assessing them using the original 5 significator systemand see the result. I will then check using additionalsignificators such as subs etc to try to determine which for meworks the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I willconsider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will considerthat where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to becorrect, that is the method I will use after confirming byanother similar experiment.On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good senseof timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity.Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results fromother members, particularly those who 'know' by experience thatthey have consistently been correct in using RPs. If anymembers (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part inthis experiment I will be happy to provide the case studieseither on or off List. Please initially post your name tothe List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment.Meanwhile I will gather some case studies.Ron Gaunt India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Yogesh, This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RP fundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that I considered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way, and that RP assessment might be an individual gift of synchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out what works best for me (or other participants). Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you need to include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs. This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out what to include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not have the time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for a prolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a few hours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannot see why there can be any objection to it. In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KP practitioners may find such an exercise enlightening. Ron Gaunt >On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P., > I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters. > When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the " traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as .... " nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology... " etc.... > All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and " nit-pickers " ,who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as-contradictory, " principles/dicta " from " ancient masters,rishis...etc... " , while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...! > For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation... > The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc. > Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis... > K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon... > However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy... " ,as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology... > Regards, > lyrastro1 > > > >Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56 wrote: >Dear Sir, >Namaskar > Realy a good move. Please start. > >Thanks >Yours >Shivendra > >rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: >et al, > >The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP >astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, >or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. > >This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time >ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, >but that the results for a particular technique may be simply >the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with >synchronicity. > >As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I >need to experiment with what works for me. >My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births >ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, >documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where >the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. >Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them >around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will >start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system >and see the result. I will then check using additional >significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me >works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will >consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes >(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider >that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be >correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by >another similar experiment. > >On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense >of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. >Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from >other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that >they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any >members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in >this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies >either on or off List. Please initially post your name to >the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. >Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 RP EXPERIMENT. The result within 8 minutes of the exact Birth Time, would not be a true test, as the Ascendent Moves very fast. 8 minutes of Time, the ASC will shift roughly 8*15=120 minues or 2 degres. This will certainly change the SUB SUB, but may even Change the SUB-Lord. It is better to set a test of the time, so that the STAR,SIG,and SUB lords are not changed > If this works out correct, the method may be accepted as reliable. We await the result of your experiments. Good Luck rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: et al,The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between logers on whether to use just the original 5 significators,or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc.This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some timeago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong,but that the results for a particular technique may be simplythe expression of a persons own ability and alignment withsynchronicity.As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that Ineed to experiment with what works for me.My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed birthsie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate,documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and wherethe birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour.Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle themaround and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I willstart by assessing them using the original 5 significator systemand see the result. I will then check using additionalsignificators such as subs etc to try to determine which for meworks the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I willconsider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will considerthat where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to becorrect, that is the method I will use after confirming byanother similar experiment.On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good senseof timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity.Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results fromother members, particularly those who 'know' by experience thatthey have consistently been correct in using RPs. If anymembers (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part inthis experiment I will be happy to provide the case studieseither on or off List. Please initially post your name tothe List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment.Meanwhile I will gather some case studies.Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Ron, Personally,I think a lot of effort has already gone into this...and the inclusion of the subs of the Ascendant Star,and the Moon's star...is being 'disputed' or more proof is being looked for,for either case... Does it matter so very much ? Does it change the ultimate result...? We seem to doubt the very hard earned experience of tghe KP stalwarts,who've worked very hard to arrive at the conclusion that these should also be included...why should we make an issue out of it ? Those who feel that only five RPs are sufficient,as well as those who feel that the two sublords should also be included,should both be left to decide for themselves. Such fine hair-splitting,in my humble opinion seems to be a waste of valuable time...either way,you accept that the RPs do play a decisive role in the accurate timing of the materialisation of an event...! The question is simply about 5 or 7 planets...how many planets have you found to be repeating among RPs,by the way,and how often...? Yours sincerely, lyrastro1rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Dear Yogesh,This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RPfundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that Iconsidered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way,and that RP assessment might be an individual gift ofsynchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out whatworks best for me (or other participants).Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you needto include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs.This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out whatto include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not havethe time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for aprolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a fewhours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannotsee why there can be any objection to it. In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KPpractitioners may find such an exercise enlightening.Ron Gaunt>On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote:>Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P.,> I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters.> When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the "traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as ..."nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology..." etc....> All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and "nit-pickers",who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as-contradictory, "principles/dicta" from "ancient masters,rishis...etc...", while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...!> For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation...> The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc.> Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis...> K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon...> However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy...",as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology...> Regards,> lyrastro1> >>>Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56 wrote:>Dear Sir,>Namaskar> Realy a good move. Please start.> >Thanks>Yours>Shivendra>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:>et al,>>The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP>astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators,>or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc.>>This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time>ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong,>but that the results for a particular technique may be simply>the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with>synchronicity.>>As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I>need to experiment with what works for me.>My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births>ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate,>documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where>the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour.>Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them>around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will>start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system>and see the result. I will then check using additional>significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me>works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will>consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes>(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider>that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be>correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by>another similar experiment.>>On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense>of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity.>Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from>other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that>they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any>members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in>this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies>either on or off List. Please initially post your name to>the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment.>Meanwhile I will gather some case studies.>>>>Ron Gaunt>>> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Ron, The Issue is debatable and hence should be debated.Ultimately,each one will go by their respective comfort zones.One thing is for sure,more planets as RPs will either clarify or confuse.Why restrict at 7 include sub-sub and make it 9. Regards, Satish , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Ron, > Personally,I think a lot of effort has already gone into this...and the inclusion of the subs of the Ascendant Star,and the Moon's star...is being 'disputed' or more proof is being looked for,for either case... > Does it matter so very much ? Does it change the ultimate result...? > We seem to doubt the very hard earned experience of tghe KP stalwarts,who've worked very hard to arrive at the conclusion that these should also be included...why should we make an issue out of it ? Those who feel that only five RPs are sufficient,as well as those who feel that the two sublords should also be included,should both be left to decide for themselves. > Such fine hair-splitting,in my humble opinion seems to be a waste of valuable time...either way,you accept that the RPs do play a decisive role in the accurate timing of the materialisation of an event...! > The question is simply about 5 or 7 planets...how many planets have you found to be repeating among RPs,by the way,and how often...? > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Dear Yogesh, > > This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RP > fundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that I > considered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way, > and that RP assessment might be an individual gift of > synchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out what > works best for me (or other participants). > > Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you need > to include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs. > This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out what > to include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not have > the time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for a > prolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a few > hours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannot > see why there can be any objection to it. > > In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KP > practitioners may find such an exercise enlightening. > > > Ron Gaunt > > > >On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P., > > I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters. > > When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the " traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as ... " nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology... " etc.... > > All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and " nit-pickers " ,who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as- contradictory, " principles/dicta " from " ancient masters,rishis...etc... " , while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...! > > For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation... > > The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc. > > Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis... > > K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon... > > However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy... " ,as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology... > > Regards, > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > >Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56> wrote: > >Dear Sir, > >Namaskar > > Realy a good move. Please start. > > > >Thanks > >Yours > >Shivendra > > > >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >et al, > > > >The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP > >astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, > >or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. > > > >This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time > >ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, > >but that the results for a particular technique may be simply > >the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with > >synchronicity. > > > >As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I > >need to experiment with what works for me. > >My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births > >ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, > >documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where > >the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. > >Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them > >around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will > >start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system > >and see the result. I will then check using additional > >significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me > >works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will > >consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes > >(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider > >that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be > >correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by > >another similar experiment. > > > >On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense > >of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. > >Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from > >other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that > >they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any > >members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in > >this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies > >either on or off List. Please initially post your name to > >the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. > >Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. > > > > > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Dear Yogesh, I can only repeat, it is NOT a question of including subs or not. It is a question of finding out WHAT WORKS FOR ME (OR THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS). rON gAUNT On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:04:53 +0000, you wrote: >Dear Ron, > Personally,I think a lot of effort has already gone into this...and the inclusion of the subs of the Ascendant Star,and the Moon's star...is being 'disputed' or more proof is being looked for,for either case... > Does it matter so very much ? Does it change the ultimate result...? > We seem to doubt the very hard earned experience of tghe KP stalwarts,who've worked very hard to arrive at the conclusion that these should also be included...why should we make an issue out of it ? Those who feel that only five RPs are sufficient,as well as those who feel that the two sublords should also be included,should both be left to decide for themselves. > Such fine hair-splitting,in my humble opinion seems to be a waste of valuable time...either way,you accept that the RPs do play a decisive role in the accurate timing of the materialisation of an event...! > The question is simply about 5 or 7 planets...how many planets have you found to be repeating among RPs,by the way,and how often...? > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > >rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > >Dear Yogesh, > >This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RP >fundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that I >considered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way, >and that RP assessment might be an individual gift of >synchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out what >works best for me (or other participants). > >Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you need >to include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs. >This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out what >to include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not have >the time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for a >prolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a few >hours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannot >see why there can be any objection to it. > >In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KP >practitioners may find such an exercise enlightening. > > >Ron Gaunt > > >>On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote: > >>Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P., >> I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters. >> When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the " traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as .... " nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology... " etc.... >> All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and " nit-pickers " ,who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as-contradictory, " principles/dicta " from " ancient masters,rishis...etc... " , while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...! >> For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation... >> The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc. >> Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis... >> K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon... >> However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy... " ,as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology... >> Regards, >> lyrastro1 >> >> >> >>Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56 wrote: >>Dear Sir, >>Namaskar >> Realy a good move. Please start. >> >>Thanks >>Yours >>Shivendra >> >>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: >>et al, >> >>The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP >>astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, >>or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. >> >>This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time >>ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, >>but that the results for a particular technique may be simply >>the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with >>synchronicity. >> >>As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I >>need to experiment with what works for me. >>My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births >>ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, >>documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where >>the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. >>Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them >>around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will >>start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system >>and see the result. I will then check using additional >>significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me >>works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will >>consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes >>(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider >>that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be >>correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by >>another similar experiment. >> >>On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense >>of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. >>Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from >>other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that >>they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any >>members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in >>this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies >>either on or off List. Please initially post your name to >>the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. >>Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. >> >> >> >>Ron Gaunt >> >> >> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 I think the suggestion by Ron Gaunt to research the ruling planets by using known birth times is a good one but I will add some comments. These will relate to the dimension in which the ruling planets operate. 1. Using the RP's for birth rectification is different to using the RP's for horary. You are after different information. In birth rectification I would use the subs and aspects because we are after all the information we can find. Not so important in horary because key information is needed. 2.Retrograde planets are important in horary but not in birth rectification. I would not consider whether a planet is retrograde in rectification at all. 3.The RP's assume different importance in rectification depending on whether we are starting from scratch or tuning the time in by a few minutes. Eg if the time needs to be tuned in by minutes then the ascendent nakshatra is not usually in doubt. You need the sub. If starting from scratch you need the ascendent rising sign or nakshatra. This will be reflected in the prasna RP's. The initial question, the boundaries or what information is already known(or not known) will be reflected by the RP's. Regards RonD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Just for information Dr Satya Prakash Chowdhary writes both " Ruling Planets in KP and Synchronicity " in website. He says: According to Krishnamurti KPs are: Lagna star lord Lagna lord Moon star lord Moon sign lord and Weekday lord Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon sublord as a contender only if it is already among the first six ruling planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many planets appear in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy a sign whose lord (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet happens to be a ruling planet, the node should also be taken as a ruling planet. Planets in conjunction or aspect to the ruling planets can also jump into the list. This is true especially if the planet is sitting in the ruling lagna itself. Such a planet if strong, is a very good contender. The RP can be used in many ways. 1. Birth rectification: The ruling planets of the moment you sit to judge the chart (in case of any doubt about the accuracy of birth time) will be same as the birth time ruling planets. 2. In conjunction with the Prashna chart, when we have too many significators for an event, the significators which are also the ruling planets are to be clinched. 3. Fast predictions can be given just based on the Ruling planets directly. , Ron Day <ron@w...> wrote: > I think the suggestion by Ron Gaunt to research the ruling planets by using > known birth times is a good one but I will add some comments. These will > relate to the dimension in which the ruling planets operate. > > 1. Using the RP's for birth rectification is different to using the RP's > for horary. You are after different information. In birth rectification I > would use the subs and aspects because we are after all the information we > can find. Not so important in horary because key information is needed. > > 2.Retrograde planets are important in horary but not in birth > rectification. I would not consider whether a planet is retrograde in > rectification at all. > > 3.The RP's assume different importance in rectification depending on > whether we are starting from scratch or tuning the time in by a few > minutes. Eg if the time needs to be tuned in by minutes then the ascendent > nakshatra is not usually in doubt. You need the sub. If starting from > scratch you need the ascendent rising sign or nakshatra. > This will be reflected in the prasna RP's. The initial question, the > boundaries or what information is already known(or not known) will be > reflected by the RP's. > > > Regards > RonD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 Dear Ron, RP in birthtime rectification i count up to subsub level. regards kanak bosmia >Ron Day <ron > > >Re: RP Experiment >Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:43:18 +1000 > >I think the suggestion by Ron Gaunt to research the ruling planets by using >known birth times is a good one but I will add some comments. These will >relate to the dimension in which the ruling planets operate. > >1. Using the RP's for birth rectification is different to using the RP's >for horary. You are after different information. In birth rectification I >would use the subs and aspects because we are after all the information we >can find. Not so important in horary because key information is needed. > >2.Retrograde planets are important in horary but not in birth >rectification. I would not consider whether a planet is retrograde in >rectification at all. > >3.The RP's assume different importance in rectification depending on >whether we are starting from scratch or tuning the time in by a few >minutes. Eg if the time needs to be tuned in by minutes then the ascendent >nakshatra is not usually in doubt. You need the sub. If starting from >scratch you need the ascendent rising sign or nakshatra. >This will be reflected in the prasna RP's. The initial question, the >boundaries or what information is already known(or not known) will be >reflected by the RP's. > > >Regards >RonD > MSN Premium helps protect against viruses, hackers, junk e-mail pop-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 TO RONGAUNT Go ahead. Ultimately What is TRUTH is what ONE Percieves as Truth, not what others say IS Truth.rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Dear Yogesh,I can only repeat, it is NOT a question of including subs ornot. It is a question of finding out WHAT WORKS FOR ME (OR THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS).rON gAUNTOn Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:04:53 +0000, you wrote:>Dear Ron,> Personally,I think a lot of effort has already gone into this...and the inclusion of the subs of the Ascendant Star,and the Moon's star...is being 'disputed' or more proof is being looked for,for either case...> Does it matter so very much ? Does it change the ultimate result...?> We seem to doubt the very hard earned experience of tghe KP stalwarts,who've worked very hard to arrive at the conclusion that these should also be included...why should we make an issue out of it ? Those who feel that only five RPs are sufficient,as well as those who feel that the two sublords should also be included,should both be left to decide for themselves.> Such fine hair-splitting,in my humble opinion seems to be a waste of valuable time...either way,you accept that the RPs do play a decisive role in the accurate timing of the materialisation of an event...!> The question is simply about 5 or 7 planets...how many planets have you found to be repeating among RPs,by the way,and how often...?> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1>>rongaunt wrote:>>Dear Yogesh,>>This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RP>fundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that I>considered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way,>and that RP assessment might be an individual gift of>synchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out what>works best for me (or other participants).>>Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you need>to include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs.>This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out what>to include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not have>the time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for a>prolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a few>hours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannot>see why there can be any objection to it. >>In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KP>practitioners may find such an exercise enlightening.>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote:>>>Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P.,>> I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters.>> When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the "traditional astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as ..."nothing new...just borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology..." etc....>> All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard traditionalists,and "nit-pickers",who seem to still continue questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as-contradictory, "principles/dicta" from "ancient masters,rishis...etc...", while continuously passing snide remarks against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times to be very correct...!>> For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if at times,I betray my irritation...>> The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more accuracy...etc.>> Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by themselves,on an experimental basis...>> K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon...>> However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy...",as there is a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of the art of astrology...>> Regards,>> lyrastro1>> >>>>>>Shivendra Tiwari wrote:>>Dear Sir,>>Namaskar>> Realy a good move. Please start.>> >>Thanks>>Yours>>Shivendra>>>>rongaunt wrote:>>et al,>>>>The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP>>astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators,>>or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc.>>>>This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time>>ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong,>>but that the results for a particular technique may be simply>>the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with>>synchronicity.>>>>As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I>>need to experiment with what works for me.>>My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births>>ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate,>>documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where>>the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour.>>Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them>>around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will>>start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system>>and see the result. I will then check using additional>>significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me>>works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will>>consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes>>(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider>>that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be>>correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by>>another similar experiment.>>>>On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense>>of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity.>>Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from>>other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that>>they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any>>members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in>>this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies>>either on or off List. Please initially post your name to>>the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment.>>Meanwhile I will gather some case studies.>>>>>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. >>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2005 Report Share Posted January 20, 2005 - Hi There! Just a thought.I was taught,when conjunction of Nodes Rahu and Ketu are considered,a maxm logitudinal separation of 2/3 degrees are to be considered between Nodes and planets under consideration. Any comments? Satish -- In , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Just for information > > Dr Satya Prakash Chowdhary writes both " Ruling Planets in KP and > Synchronicity " in website. > > He says: > > According to Krishnamurti KPs are: > > Lagna star lord > Lagna lord > Moon star lord > Moon sign lord and > Weekday lord > > Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In > practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon > sublord as a contender only if it is already among the first six > ruling planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many > planets appear in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy > a sign whose lord (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet > happens to be a ruling planet, the node should also be taken as a > ruling planet. Planets in conjunction or aspect to the ruling > planets can also jump into the list. This is true especially if the > planet is sitting in the ruling lagna itself. Such a planet if > strong, is a very good contender. > > The RP can be used in many ways. > > 1. Birth rectification: The ruling planets of the moment you sit > to judge the chart (in case of any doubt about the accuracy of birth > time) will be same as the birth time ruling planets. > > 2. In conjunction with the Prashna chart, when we have too many > significators for an event, the significators which are also the > ruling planets are to be clinched. > > 3. Fast predictions can be given just based on the Ruling > planets directly. > > > > > , Ron Day <ron@w...> wrote: > > I think the suggestion by Ron Gaunt to research the ruling planets > by using > > known birth times is a good one but I will add some comments. These > will > > relate to the dimension in which the ruling planets operate. > > > > 1. Using the RP's for birth rectification is different to using the > RP's > > for horary. You are after different information. In birth > rectification I > > would use the subs and aspects because we are after all the > information we > > can find. Not so important in horary because key information is > needed. > > > > 2.Retrograde planets are important in horary but not in birth > > rectification. I would not consider whether a planet is retrograde > in > > rectification at all. > > > > 3.The RP's assume different importance in rectification depending > on > > whether we are starting from scratch or tuning the time in by a few > > minutes. Eg if the time needs to be tuned in by minutes then the > ascendent > > nakshatra is not usually in doubt. You need the sub. If starting > from > > scratch you need the ascendent rising sign or nakshatra. > > This will be reflected in the prasna RP's. The initial question, > the > > boundaries or what information is already known(or not known) will > be > > reflected by the RP's. > > > > > > Regards > > RonD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 Dear Satish, >>>One thing is for sure,more planets as RPs will either clarify or >>>confuse. For the purpose of RPs to the choose friutful ones from general significators, the usefulness will be diminsihing together with the increased number of RPs. Best regards, tw , " rsatish1942 " <rsatish1942> wrote: > > > > Dear Ron, > > The Issue is debatable and hence should be debated.Ultimately,each > one will go by their respective comfort zones.One thing is for > sure,more planets as RPs will either clarify or confuse.Why restrict > at 7 include sub-sub and make it 9. > > Regards, > Satish , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Ron, > > Personally,I think a lot of effort has already gone > into this...and the inclusion of the subs of the Ascendant Star,and > the Moon's star...is being 'disputed' or more proof is being looked > for,for either case... > > Does it matter so very much ? Does it change the > ultimate result...? > > We seem to doubt the very hard earned experience of > tghe KP stalwarts,who've worked very hard to arrive at the conclusion > that these should also be included...why should we make an issue out > of it ? Those who feel that only five RPs are sufficient,as well as > those who feel that the two sublords should also be included,should > both be left to decide for themselves. > > Such fine hair-splitting,in my humble opinion seems > to be a waste of valuable time...either way,you accept that the RPs > do play a decisive role in the accurate timing of the materialisation > of an event...! > > The question is simply about 5 or 7 planets...how > many planets have you found to be repeating among RPs,by the way,and > how often...? > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > > > rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > Dear Yogesh, > > > > This is NOT an experiment to verify or vindicate KP or RP > > fundamentals. I thought my mail clearly showed that I > > considered that possibly there was not a right or wrong way, > > and that RP assessment might be an individual gift of > > synchronicity. This experiment is primarily to find out what > > works best for me (or other participants). > > > > Over possibly a long period of time you have found that you need > > to include Subs, Anant sticks to the original without Subs. > > This has possibly taken both of you many years to find out what > > to include and what to leave out. Unfortunately I do not have > > the time, or the inclination to be kept in the dark for a > > prolonged period of time. If a simple experiment of a few > > hours duration can short circuit the learning process I cannot > > see why there can be any objection to it. > > > > In fact I would go so far as to say that even experienced KP > > practitioners may find such an exercise enlightening. > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > >On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:55:32 +0000, you wrote: > > > > >Dear Ron,tw et al,and all new followers of K.P., > > > > I truly appreciate your thirst for verification/vindication of K.P. > fundamentals,but may I suggest that they were arrived at, after long > days of experimentation...and,I daresay, careful verification...in > the face of fierce opposition from a variety of quarters. > > > > > When K.P., was first propagated by Shri KSK,the " traditional > astrologers,belonging to various schools, had raised numerous > objections and kept asking for a variety of studies to confirm KSK's > dictums,for years...finally even dubbing it as ... " nothing new...just > borrowed from MEENA's work on stellar astrology... " etc.... > > > > > All that is history now,and K.P. has come a long way from this,in the > last 35-40 years,and now is being practised widely...all over the > world,not-withstanding the proverbial die-hard > traditionalists,and " nit-pickers " ,who seem to still continue > questioning every thing related to K.P., whereas they have no > compunction to even accept unquestioningly,numerous proven-as- > contradictory, " principles/dicta " from " ancient > masters,rishis...etc... " , while continuously passing snide remarks > against K.P., and its epoch-making discoveries,proven numerous times > to be very correct...! > > > > > For an old follower of K.P., (since 1977 or so),the raising of the > same old objections, anew,despite having been clarified several times > by several scholars,in almost every old issue of Astrology & > Adrishta,the monthly magazine,version of K.P & Astrology,is quite > irritating at times,I guess,and I hope readers will bear with me, if > at times,I betray my irritation... > > > > > The original concept propounded for RPs was only five RPs...later a > few scholars,notable during the last 7-8 years began advocating the > sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to be included...later research > papers published have begun advocating the sub-sub method for more > accuracy...etc. > > > > > Even today,quite a few KP scholars continue to publish articles on > the use of the sub-sub and a number of variations tried by > themselves,on an experimental basis... > > > > > K.P., thus seems to continuously evolve new methods ideas > etc...which,to my mind is a very encouraging phenomenon... > > > > > However,I suggest readers to go through an illuminating article > by Shri A,R Raichur... " The craze for accuracy... " ,as there is > a limit to seeking accuracy and perfection,in the actual practise of > the art of astrology... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > > > > > > > >Shivendra Tiwari <shivendra56> wrote: > > >Dear Sir, > > >Namaskar > > > Realy a good move. Please start. > > > > > >Thanks > > >Yours > > >Shivendra > > > > > >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > >et al, > > > > > >The recent discussion on RPs shows a division between KP > > >astrologers on whether to use just the original 5 significators, > > >or use additional factors such as Subs, aspects, etc. > > > > > >This appears to confirm what I expressed in a post some time > > >ago; that maybe it is not a question of what is right or wrong, > > >but that the results for a particular technique may be simply > > >the expression of a persons own ability and alignment with > > >synchronicity. > > > > > >As RPs appear to be a key-stone to KP, I have decided that I > > >need to experiment with what works for me. > > >My modus operandi is to take say 10 case studies of timed births > > >ie. where the cases are classified AA (by birth certificate, > > >documentation at the time of birth, or observation), and where > > >the birth is not shown rounded to the nearest quarter of an hour. > > >Then to write them out without the time of birth, shuffle them > > >around and then assess them for birth time using RPs. I will > > >start by assessing them using the original 5 significator system > > >and see the result. I will then check using additional > > >significators such as subs etc to try to determine which for me > > >works the best. The yardsticks I use will be that I will > > >consider a successful hit to be where I am within 8 minutes > > >(time) of the reported time of birth. Also I will consider > > >that where 8 or more of the 10 case studies can be seen to be > > >correct, that is the method I will use after confirming by > > >another similar experiment. > > > > > >On reflection I realized that whilst I think I have a good sense > > >of timing, I may in fact not have a gift for synchronicity. > > >Therefore it would also be interesting to see the results from > > >other members, particularly those who 'know' by experience that > > >they have consistently been correct in using RPs. If any > > >members (experienced or otherwise) would like to take part in > > >this experiment I will be happy to provide the case studies > > >either on or off List. Please initially post your name to > > >the List, and any comments or suggestions for this experiment. > > >Meanwhile I will gather some case studies. > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Satish, As I consiider the nodes in general, posssibly the most important planets in a chart I always pay close attention to them. My experience is that they tend to affect other planets when they come within 5* of orb. However, for maximum effect I see them at being within 1*. Ron Gaunt On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:05:55 -0000, you wrote: > > > >- >Hi There! >Just a thought.I was taught,when conjunction of Nodes Rahu and Ketu >are considered,a maxm logitudinal separation of 2/3 degrees are to be >considered between Nodes and planets under consideration. >Any comments? >Satish > > >-- In , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: >> >> Just for information >> >> Dr Satya Prakash Chowdhary writes both " Ruling Planets in KP and >> Synchronicity " in website. >> >> He says: >> >> According to Krishnamurti KPs are: >> >> Lagna star lord >> Lagna lord >> Moon star lord >> Moon sign lord and >> Weekday lord >> >> Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. >In >> practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon >> sublord as a contender only if it is already among the first six >> ruling planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many >> planets appear in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu >occupy >> a sign whose lord (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet >> happens to be a ruling planet, the node should also be taken as a >> ruling planet. Planets in conjunction or aspect to the ruling >> planets can also jump into the list. This is true especially if the >> planet is sitting in the ruling lagna itself. Such a planet if >> strong, is a very good contender. >> >> The RP can be used in many ways. >> >> 1. Birth rectification: The ruling planets of the moment you sit >> to judge the chart (in case of any doubt about the accuracy of >birth >> time) will be same as the birth time ruling planets. >> >> 2. In conjunction with the Prashna chart, when we have too many >> significators for an event, the significators which are also the >> ruling planets are to be clinched. >> >> 3. Fast predictions can be given just based on the Ruling >> planets directly. >> >> >> >> >> , Ron Day <ron@w...> wrote: >> > I think the suggestion by Ron Gaunt to research the ruling >planets >> by using >> > known birth times is a good one but I will add some comments. >These >> will >> > relate to the dimension in which the ruling planets operate. >> > >> > 1. Using the RP's for birth rectification is different to using >the >> RP's >> > for horary. You are after different information. In birth >> rectification I >> > would use the subs and aspects because we are after all the >> information we >> > can find. Not so important in horary because key information is >> needed. >> > >> > 2.Retrograde planets are important in horary but not in birth >> > rectification. I would not consider whether a planet is >retrograde >> in >> > rectification at all. >> > >> > 3.The RP's assume different importance in rectification depending >> on >> > whether we are starting from scratch or tuning the time in by a >few >> > minutes. Eg if the time needs to be tuned in by minutes then the >> ascendent >> > nakshatra is not usually in doubt. You need the sub. If starting >> from >> > scratch you need the ascendent rising sign or nakshatra. >> > This will be reflected in the prasna RP's. The initial question, >> the >> > boundaries or what information is already known(or not known) >will >> be >> > reflected by the RP's. >> > >> > >> > Regards >> > RonD > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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