Malifics and banefics----------- Basic question

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

Happy new year.

 

I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

 

In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.

He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

 

I have following questions to ask:

a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?

b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting planet.

In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are having the beneficial houses.

 

kindly enlight me on the topic.

 

with regards,

 

Anurodh

The all-new My – What will yours do?

[Guest guest]

Dear Anurodh Kumar,

 

 

1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

 

In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

 

 

2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

 

KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

OR

KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

 

One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation it is,

the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of the

constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified by the

lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the Bhava

(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature, etc.) ---

- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated by the

lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy in

full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of lords of

6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

 

3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

 

Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory over

enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the native

may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and also

serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are detrimental

for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for money

and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

 

Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss and

when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses may be

useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education and

parents --- etc)

 

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

wrote:

> Dear List,

>

> Happy new year.

>

> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

>

> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of

aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.

> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

>

> I have following questions to ask:

> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?

> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly

the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and

the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

planet.

> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds

the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are

having the beneficial houses.

>

> kindly enlight me on the topic.

>

> with regards,

>

> Anurodh

>

>

>

>

> The all-new My – What will yours do?

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for the nice clearification. This thing came into the discussion when I read the Astrosecrets part 1 where many pages have been wirtten on this issue by Late Shanmugham.

 

thanks once again,

regards,

Anurodh.tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Anurodh Kumar,1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFICKP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130 ORKP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130 One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation it is, the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of the constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified by the lord of the constellation

according to its ownership of the Bhava (never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature, etc.) ---- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated by the lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy in full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of lords of 6 or 8 or 12 are evil.3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42 ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101 Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory over enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the native may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and also serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are detrimental for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for moneyand love, but

undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss and when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses may be useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education and parents --- etc)Best regards,tw , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1> wrote:> Dear List,> > Happy new year.> > I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.> > In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.> > I

have following questions to ask:> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting planet.> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are having the beneficial houses.> > kindly enlight me on the topic.> > with regards,> > Anurodh> > > > > The all-new My – What will yours do?

The all-new My – What will yours do?

[Guest guest]

Anurodh ji,

 

Happy New Year.

 

In KP there is no concept of malefic or benefic. A planet can be good

for one thing and bad for another. So do you think it is logical to

talk about malefic and benefic? Sri KSK has given one scenario where

in the same dasa period one has got the job and lost his father

(AFAIR).

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 06:14:53 -0800 (PST), Anurodh Kumar

<anurodh1 wrote:

> Dear List,

>

> Happy new year.

>

> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

>

> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of aspect

> will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.

> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be malific even

> if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

>

> I have following questions to ask:

> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?

> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly the the

> outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and the aspected

> planet becomes the representative of the aspecting planet.

> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds the malific

> houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are having the beneficial

> houses.

>

> kindly enlight me on the topic.

>

> with regards,

>

> Anurodh

>

> ________________________________

>

> The all-new My – What will yours do?

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Anurodh, tw, et al,

 

Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if he

is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by way

of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship of

the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

 

Have a look at the following case which I have just been

studying:

 

Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

4:42pm IST -5:30

28N39, 077E13

 

Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

 

This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house (KP).

This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter. But

as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving trine

aspect from Jupiter.

 

The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated. Venus is

in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage. This is

reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house family

benefits are also denied.

 

There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House Lord

Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for the

6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again shows

marriage and family denial.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

 

>

>

>Dear Anurodh Kumar,

>

>

>1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

>

>In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

>

>

>2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

>

>KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

> OR

>KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

>

>One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation it is,

>the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of the

>constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified by the

>lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the Bhava

>(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature, etc.) ---

>- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated by the

>lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy in

>full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

>results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of lords of

>6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

>

>3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

> ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

>

>Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory over

>enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

>lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the native

>may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and also

>serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are detrimental

>for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for money

>and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

>

>Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss and

>when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses may be

>useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education and

>parents --- etc)

>

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

>

>

> , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

>wrote:

>> Dear List,

>>

>> Happy new year.

>>

>> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

>>

>> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of

>aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.

>> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

>malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

>>

>> I have following questions to ask:

>> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?

>> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly

>the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and

>the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

>planet.

>> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds

>the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are

>having the beneficial houses.

>>

>> kindly enlight me on the topic.

>>

>> with regards,

>>

>> Anurodh

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> The all-new My – What will yours do?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron Gaunt,

 

1. MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106

 

One need not commit to memory many a sloka. The simple rule is , note

the sublord of the the 7th cusp; if the sublord is connected with 4,

6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

 

2. A DENIAL OF MARRIAGE, PUNARPHOO by K. Subramanium, pp 129-137

 

As per KP System if the sublord of the 7 th cusp is not a

significator of 2 or 7 or 11, there will not be any marriage. (p 132)

 

3. Seventh House, Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, p 158

 

When the sublord of the 7th and sublord of the 2nd are connected only

to houses 6 and 12 predominantly and that sublord if it is Saturn or

Mars or Sun, then there will be no marriage in his lifetime.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> Anurodh, tw, et al,

>

> Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

> that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if he

> is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by way

> of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship of

> the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

> qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

>

> Have a look at the following case which I have just been

> studying:

>

> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

> 4:42pm IST -5:30

> 28N39, 077E13

>

> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

>

> This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

> close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house (KP).

> This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter. But

> as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

> even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving trine

> aspect from Jupiter.

>

> The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

> right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated. Venus is

> in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

> badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage. This is

> reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

> 2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house family

> benefits are also denied.

>

> There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

> Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House Lord

> Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for the

> 6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again shows

> marriage and family denial.

>

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >Dear Anurodh Kumar,

> >

> >

> >1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

> >

> >In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

> >

> >

> >2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

> >

> >KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

> > OR

> >KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

> >

> >One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation it

is,

> >the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of the

> >constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified by

the

> >lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the Bhava

> >(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature,

etc.) ---

> >- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated by

the

> >lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy in

> >full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

> >results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of lords

of

> >6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

> >

> >3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

> > ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

> >

> >Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory over

> >enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

> >lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the native

> >may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and

also

> >serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are

detrimental

> >for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for money

> >and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

> >

> >Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss and

> >when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses may

be

> >useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education and

> >parents --- etc)

> >

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> >

> >

> > , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

> >wrote:

> >> Dear List,

> >>

> >> Happy new year.

> >>

> >> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

> >>

> >> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way

of

> >aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific

houses.

> >> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

> >malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

> >>

> >> I have following questions to ask:

> >> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes

place?

> >> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet

especailly

> >the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet

and

> >the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

> >planet.

> >> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds

> >the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are

> >having the beneficial houses.

> >>

> >> kindly enlight me on the topic.

> >>

> >> with regards,

> >>

> >> Anurodh

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> The all-new My – What will yours do?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear tw,

 

The rules don't appear to be valid in this case!!

 

Please see comments ** .....................**

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:57:13 -0000, you wrote:

 

>

>

>Dear Ron Gaunt,

>

>1. MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106

>

>One need not commit to memory many a sloka. The simple rule is , note

>the sublord of the the 7th cusp; if the sublord is connected with 4,

>6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

 

** In the case of marriage denial below please note that the sub

Lord of the 7th is Moon and is NOT connected to any of the

above houses **

 

>

>2. A DENIAL OF MARRIAGE, PUNARPHOO by K. Subramanium, pp 129-137

>

>As per KP System if the sublord of the 7 th cusp is not a

>significator of 2 or 7 or 11, there will not be any marriage. (p 132)

 

** Moon sub Lord IS a 1st class significator of the 11th

house. **

>

>3. Seventh House, Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, p 158

>

>When the sublord of the 7th and sublord of the 2nd are connected only

>to houses 6 and 12 predominantly and that sublord if it is Saturn or

>Mars or Sun, then there will be no marriage in his lifetime.

 

 

** The sub Lord is NOT Saturn, Mars or Sun **

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>> Anurodh, tw, et al,

>>

>> Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

>> that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if he

>> is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by way

>> of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship of

>> the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

>> qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

>>

>> Have a look at the following case which I have just been

>> studying:

>>

>> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

>> 4:42pm IST -5:30

>> 28N39, 077E13

>>

>> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

>>

>> This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

>> close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house (KP).

>> This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter. But

>> as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

>> even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving trine

>> aspect from Jupiter.

>>

>> The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

>> right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated. Venus is

>> in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

>> badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage. This is

>> reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

>> 2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house family

>> benefits are also denied.

>>

>> There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

>> Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House Lord

>> Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for the

>> 6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again shows

>> marriage and family denial.

>>

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >Dear Anurodh Kumar,

>> >

>> >

>> >1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

>> >

>> >In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

>> >

>> >

>> >2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

>> >

>> >KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

>> > OR

>> >KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

>> >

>> >One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation it

>is,

>> >the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of the

>> >constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified by

>the

>> >lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the Bhava

>> >(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature,

>etc.) ---

>> >- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated by

>the

>> >lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy in

>> >full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

>> >results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of lords

>of

>> >6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

>> >

>> >3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

>> > ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

>> >

>> >Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory over

>> >enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

>> >lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the native

>> >may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and

>also

>> >serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are

>detrimental

>> >for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for money

>> >and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

>> >

>> >Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss and

>> >when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses may

>be

>> >useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education and

>> >parents --- etc)

>> >

>> >

>> >Best regards,

>> >

>> >tw

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > , Anurodh Kumar <anurodh1>

>> >wrote:

>> >> Dear List,

>> >>

>> >> Happy new year.

>> >>

>> >> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

>> >>

>> >> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way

>of

>> >aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific

>houses.

>> >> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

>> >malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

>> >>

>> >> I have following questions to ask:

>> >> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes

>place?

>> >> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet

>especailly

>> >the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet

>and

>> >the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

>> >planet.

>> >> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds

>> >the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are

>> >having the beneficial houses.

>> >>

>> >> kindly enlight me on the topic.

>> >>

>> >> with regards,

>> >>

>> >> Anurodh

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> The all-new My – What will yours do?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron Gaunt,

 

1. As per analysis of the example in " MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE

SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106 " ,

 

a) 7th Sbl Moon in 12th not favorable to marriage.

b) Moon is in Stl Rahu in 11th, also representing Saturn in 7th

but in Sbl Mars in 6th. (Saturn is ruler of 11 & 12 th)

c) Moon is in Sbl Mars in 6th.

 

2. If TOB is moved ahead 1 minute, i.e. 16:43 PM IST, 7th Sbl will

be Mars in 6th and in Stl Sun, 6th ruler.

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

tw

 

 

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear tw,

>

> The rules don't appear to be valid in this case!!

>

> Please see comments ** .....................**

>

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

>

>

> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:57:13 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >

> >1. MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106

> >

> >One need not commit to memory many a sloka. The simple rule is ,

note

> >the sublord of the the 7th cusp; if the sublord is connected with

4,

> >6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

>

> ** In the case of marriage denial below please note that the sub

> Lord of the 7th is Moon and is NOT connected to any of the

> above houses **

>

> >

> >2. A DENIAL OF MARRIAGE, PUNARPHOO by K. Subramanium, pp 129-137

> >

> >As per KP System if the sublord of the 7 th cusp is not a

> >significator of 2 or 7 or 11, there will not be any marriage. (p

132)

>

> ** Moon sub Lord IS a 1st class significator of the 11th

> house. **

> >

> >3. Seventh House, Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, p 158

> >

> >When the sublord of the 7th and sublord of the 2nd are connected

only

> >to houses 6 and 12 predominantly and that sublord if it is Saturn

or

> >Mars or Sun, then there will be no marriage in his lifetime.

>

>

> ** The sub Lord is NOT Saturn, Mars or Sun **

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Anurodh, tw, et al,

> >>

> >> Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

> >> that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if he

> >> is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by way

> >> of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship of

> >> the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

> >> qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

> >>

> >> Have a look at the following case which I have just been

> >> studying:

> >>

> >> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

> >> 4:42pm IST -5:30

> >> 28N39, 077E13

> >>

> >> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

> >>

> >> This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

> >> close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house (KP).

> >> This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter. But

> >> as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

> >> even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving trine

> >> aspect from Jupiter.

> >>

> >> The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

> >> right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated. Venus is

> >> in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

> >> badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage. This is

> >> reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

> >> 2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house family

> >> benefits are also denied.

> >>

> >> There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

> >> Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House Lord

> >> Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for the

> >> 6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again shows

> >> marriage and family denial.

> >>

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Dear Anurodh Kumar,

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

> >> >

> >> >In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

> >> >

> >> >KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

> >> > OR

> >> >KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

> >> >

> >> >One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation

it

> >is,

> >> >the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of

the

> >> >constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified

by

> >the

> >> >lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the

Bhava

> >> >(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature,

> >etc.) ---

> >> >- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated

by

> >the

> >> >lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy

in

> >> >full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

> >> >results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of

lords

> >of

> >> >6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

> >> >

> >> >3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

> >> > ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

> >> >

> >> >Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory

over

> >> >enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

> >> >lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the

native

> >> >may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and

> >also

> >> >serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are

> >detrimental

> >> >for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for

money

> >> >and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

> >> >

> >> >Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss

and

> >> >when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses

may

> >be

> >> >useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education

and

> >> >parents --- etc)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Best regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > , Anurodh Kumar

<anurodh1>

> >> >wrote:

> >> >> Dear List,

> >> >>

> >> >> Happy new year.

> >> >>

> >> >> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

> >> >>

> >> >> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by

way

> >of

> >> >aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific

> >houses.

> >> >> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

> >> >malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

> >> >>

> >> >> I have following questions to ask:

> >> >> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes

> >place?

> >> >> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet

> >especailly

> >> >the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected

planet

> >and

> >> >the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

> >> >planet.

> >> >> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it

holds

> >> >the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they

are

> >> >having the beneficial houses.

> >> >>

> >> >> kindly enlight me on the topic.

> >> >>

> >> >> with regards,

> >> >>

> >> >> Anurodh

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> The all-new My – What will yours do?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Dear tw,

 

Please see comments ** .............. **

 

Ron Gaunt

 

For anyone who wishes to run the chart under discussion

(4th Reader Page 105) I have worked out birth details as

follows:

 

DOB 12th June 1928

6:20pm IST -5:30

13N15, 080:17

(This appears to be a suburb of Chennai {Madras})

 

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:32:55 -0000, you wrote:

 

>

>

>Dear Ron Gaunt,

>

>1. As per analysis of the example in " MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE

>SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106 " ,

>

>a) 7th Sbl Moon in 12th not favorable to marriage.

>b) Moon is in Stl Rahu in 11th, also representing Saturn in 7th

>but in Sbl Mars in 6th. (Saturn is ruler of 11 & 12 th)

>c) Moon is in Sbl Mars in 6th.

 

** It goes to show that there has to be discrimination in reading

the 'rules' **

 

>

>2. If TOB is moved ahead 1 minute, i.e. 16:43 PM IST, 7th Sbl will

>be Mars in 6th and in Stl Sun, 6th ruler.

 

** Sub of Mars starts at 12 Pisces 06' 40 " . According to my

Solar Fire software which I have always found to be

exceptionally accurate - this starts at 4:47:29pm. This

appears too far away from a precisely quoted birth time. **

>

 

** PS. In the Reader - bottom of page 105 it states 'a person

is denied marriage when the 7th Cusp sub lord is deposited

in the constellation of the significators of 4,6 and 10'.

Presumably this should read 1,6 and 10 because it goes on

to say 'because the houses 2.7.and 11 show the marriage,

and hence THE 12th HOUSES TO THESE HOUSES indicates denial

of the marriage'. It does go on to mention the 4th house

but in the context of denial of love affairs (not marriage)

and denial of children. Houses 1,6, and 10 are the ones

mentioned on pages 1 to 15 of 'A Practical Astrology'

>

>Best regards,

>

>

>tw

>

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>>

>> Dear tw,

>>

>> The rules don't appear to be valid in this case!!

>>

>> Please see comments ** .....................**

>>

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>>

>>

>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:57:13 -0000, you wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

>> >

>> >1. MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106

>> >

>> >One need not commit to memory many a sloka. The simple rule is ,

>note

>> >the sublord of the the 7th cusp; if the sublord is connected with

>4,

>> >6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

>>

>> ** In the case of marriage denial below please note that the sub

>> Lord of the 7th is Moon and is NOT connected to any of the

>> above houses **

>>

>> >

>> >2. A DENIAL OF MARRIAGE, PUNARPHOO by K. Subramanium, pp 129-137

>> >

>> >As per KP System if the sublord of the 7 th cusp is not a

>> >significator of 2 or 7 or 11, there will not be any marriage. (p

>132)

>>

>> ** Moon sub Lord IS a 1st class significator of the 11th

>> house. **

>> >

>> >3. Seventh House, Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, p 158

>> >

>> >When the sublord of the 7th and sublord of the 2nd are connected

>only

>> >to houses 6 and 12 predominantly and that sublord if it is Saturn

>or

>> >Mars or Sun, then there will be no marriage in his lifetime.

>>

>>

>> ** The sub Lord is NOT Saturn, Mars or Sun **

>> >

>> >Best regards,

>> >

>> >tw

>> >

>> >

>> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Anurodh, tw, et al,

>> >>

>> >> Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

>> >> that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if he

>> >> is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by way

>> >> of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship of

>> >> the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

>> >> qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

>> >>

>> >> Have a look at the following case which I have just been

>> >> studying:

>> >>

>> >> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

>> >> 4:42pm IST -5:30

>> >> 28N39, 077E13

>> >>

>> >> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

>> >>

>> >> This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

>> >> close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house (KP).

>> >> This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter. But

>> >> as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

>> >> even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving trine

>> >> aspect from Jupiter.

>> >>

>> >> The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

>> >> right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated. Venus is

>> >> in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

>> >> badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage. This is

>> >> reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

>> >> 2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house family

>> >> benefits are also denied.

>> >>

>> >> There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

>> >> Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House Lord

>> >> Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for the

>> >> 6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again shows

>> >> marriage and family denial.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >Dear Anurodh Kumar,

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

>> >> >

>> >> >In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

>> >> >

>> >> >KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

>> >> > OR

>> >> >KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

>> >> >

>> >> >One is to take each planet and consider in which constellation

>it

>> >is,

>> >> >the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord of

>the

>> >> >constellation is the owner and find out the matters signified

>by

>> >the

>> >> >lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the

>Bhava

>> >> >(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature,

>> >etc.) ---

>> >> >- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter indicated

>by

>> >the

>> >> >lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will enjoy

>in

>> >> >full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate beneficial

>> >> >results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of

>lords

>> >of

>> >> >6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

>> >> >

>> >> >3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

>> >> > ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

>> >> >

>> >> >Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory

>over

>> >> >enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain in

>> >> >lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the

>native

>> >> >may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents and

>> >also

>> >> >serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are

>> >detrimental

>> >> >for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for

>money

>> >> >and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

>> >> >

>> >> >Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten loss

>and

>> >> >when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these houses

>may

>> >be

>> >> >useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education

>and

>> >> >parents --- etc)

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >

>> >> >tw

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > , Anurodh Kumar

><anurodh1>

>> >> >wrote:

>> >> >> Dear List,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Happy new year.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by

>way

>> >of

>> >> >aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific

>> >houses.

>> >> >> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be

>> >> >malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I have following questions to ask:

>> >> >> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes

>> >place?

>> >> >> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet

>> >especailly

>> >> >the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected

>planet

>> >and

>> >> >the aspected planet becomes the representative of the aspecting

>> >> >planet.

>> >> >> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it

>holds

>> >> >the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they

>are

>> >> >having the beneficial houses.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> kindly enlight me on the topic.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> with regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Anurodh

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> The all-new My – What will yours do?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron Gaunt,

 

1. Rules and approach mentioned are as per KP originals with

reference pages without having any intention to be involed in

discussion.

 

2. Have a look at the following case which I have just been

>> >> studying:

>> >>

>> >> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

>> >> 4:42pm IST -5:30

>> >> 28N39, 077E13

>> >>

>> >> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

 

Sublord of 7th cusp will be:

 

Venus for TOB 4:39 pm IST

Moon 4:42 (original TOB)

Mars 4:43 (just one min difference from original TOB)

Rahu 4:45

 

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> Dear tw,

>

> Please see comments ** .............. **

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> For anyone who wishes to run the chart under discussion

> (4th Reader Page 105) I have worked out birth details as

> follows:

>

> DOB 12th June 1928

> 6:20pm IST -5:30

> 13N15, 080:17

> (This appears to be a suburb of Chennai {Madras})

>

> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:32:55 -0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >

> >1. As per analysis of the example in " MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE

> >SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-106 " ,

> >

> >a) 7th Sbl Moon in 12th not favorable to marriage.

> >b) Moon is in Stl Rahu in 11th, also representing Saturn in 7th

> >but in Sbl Mars in 6th. (Saturn is ruler of 11 & 12 th)

> >c) Moon is in Sbl Mars in 6th.

>

> ** It goes to show that there has to be discrimination in reading

> the 'rules' **

>

> >

> >2. If TOB is moved ahead 1 minute, i.e. 16:43 PM IST, 7th Sbl

will

> >be Mars in 6th and in Stl Sun, 6th ruler.

>

> ** Sub of Mars starts at 12 Pisces 06' 40 " . According to my

> Solar Fire software which I have always found to be

> exceptionally accurate - this starts at 4:47:29pm. This

> appears too far away from a precisely quoted birth time. **

> >

>

> ** PS. In the Reader - bottom of page 105 it states 'a person

> is denied marriage when the 7th Cusp sub lord is deposited

> in the constellation of the significators of 4,6 and 10'.

> Presumably this should read 1,6 and 10 because it goes on

> to say 'because the houses 2.7.and 11 show the marriage,

> and hence THE 12th HOUSES TO THESE HOUSES indicates denial

> of the marriage'. It does go on to mention the 4th house

> but in the context of denial of love affairs (not marriage)

> and denial of children. Houses 1,6, and 10 are the ones

> mentioned on pages 1 to 15 of 'A Practical Astrology'

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >

> >tw

> >

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear tw,

> >>

> >> The rules don't appear to be valid in this case!!

> >>

> >> Please see comments ** .....................**

> >>

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:57:13 -0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >> >

> >> >1. MARRIAGE DENIAL, GRAPES ARE SOUR, KP Reader IV, 1984,pp 105-

106

> >> >

> >> >One need not commit to memory many a sloka. The simple rule

is ,

> >note

> >> >the sublord of the the 7th cusp; if the sublord is connected

with

> >4,

> >> >6, 10th houses, one will be denied of marriage.

> >>

> >> ** In the case of marriage denial below please note that the sub

> >> Lord of the 7th is Moon and is NOT connected to any of the

> >> above houses **

> >>

> >> >

> >> >2. A DENIAL OF MARRIAGE, PUNARPHOO by K. Subramanium, pp 129-137

> >> >

> >> >As per KP System if the sublord of the 7 th cusp is not a

> >> >significator of 2 or 7 or 11, there will not be any marriage.

(p

> >132)

> >>

> >> ** Moon sub Lord IS a 1st class significator of the 11th

> >> house. **

> >> >

> >> >3. Seventh House, Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, p 158

> >> >

> >> >When the sublord of the 7th and sublord of the 2nd are

connected

> >only

> >> >to houses 6 and 12 predominantly and that sublord if it is

Saturn

> >or

> >> >Mars or Sun, then there will be no marriage in his lifetime.

> >>

> >>

> >> ** The sub Lord is NOT Saturn, Mars or Sun **

> >> >

> >> >Best regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Anurodh, tw, et al,

> >> >>

> >> >> Regarding - " In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasized

> >> >> that Jup by way of aspect will always be beneficial even if

he

> >> >> is lord of malefic houses. He has said that Sat and Mars by

way

> >> >> of aspect will always be malefic even if they have lordship

of

> >> >> the benefic houses. " - I think that this quote needs some

> >> >> qualification as shown by the following quotes from tw.

> >> >>

> >> >> Have a look at the following case which I have just been

> >> >> studying:

> >> >>

> >> >> Fem DOB 19th Oct 1953

> >> >> 4:42pm IST -5:30

> >> >> 28N39, 077E13

> >> >>

> >> >> Lagna KP 10Pisces 55'55 " Geocentric angles.

> >> >>

> >> >> This is the chart of a lady who never married. There is a

> >> >> close stellium of Sun, Saturn and Neptune in the 7th house

(KP).

> >> >> This stellium receives a close trine aspect from Jupiter.

But

> >> >> as we have seen the lady did not have the fruits of marriage,

> >> >> even though the planets were in the 7th house and receiving

trine

> >> >> aspect from Jupiter.

> >> >>

> >> >> The problem appears to be primarily with Venus. Venus sits

> >> >> right on the cusp of the 7th house and is debilitated.

Venus is

> >> >> in the Star of Sun Lord of 6H and sub of Venus. As Venus is

> >> >> badly placed being in the 6th house she denies marriage.

This is

> >> >> reinforced by the Jupiter aspect, as Jupiter is in the Star of

> >> >> 2nd Lord Mars and again in the sub of Venus. So 2nd house

family

> >> >> benefits are also denied.

> >> >>

> >> >> There are other indications ie. Venus being afflicted by Rahu.

> >> >> Also Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are in the Star of 2nd House

Lord

> >> >> Mars. All these planets are 1st Class Significators for

the

> >> >> 6th house. As the 6th is 12th to the 7th House this again

shows

> >> >> marriage and family denial.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:26:07 -0000, you wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Dear Anurodh Kumar,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >1. HAND BOOK ON ASTRLOGY, K. Hariharan, pp 41-42

> >> >> >

> >> >> >In KP no planet is wholly a benefic nor in full malefic.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >2. HOW TO JUDGE WHETHER A PLANET IS A BENEFIC OR A MALEFIC

> >> >> >

> >> >> >KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 125-130

> >> >> > OR

> >> >> >KP Reader IV, 1983, pp 125-130

> >> >> >

> >> >> >One is to take each planet and consider in which

constellation

> >it

> >> >is,

> >> >> >the lord of constellation and note in which houses the lord

of

> >the

> >> >> >constellation is the owner and find out the matters

signified

> >by

> >> >the

> >> >> >lord of the constellation according to its ownership of the

> >Bhava

> >> >> >(never take into judgement where it is posited, its nature,

> >> >etc.) ---

> >> >> >- If the sublord is a benefic, then when the matter

indicated

> >by

> >> >the

> >> >> >lord of the constellation if agreeable, the person will

enjoy

> >in

> >> >> >full. But if the lord of the constellation indicate

beneficial

> >> >> >results and the sublord shows adverse ones, then the star of

> >lords

> >> >of

> >> >> >6 or 8 or 12 are evil.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >3. KP Reader III, 1984, Part 2, pp 41-42

> >> >> > ASTROSECRETS & KP, PART II, PP 100-101

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Houses 1,2,3,6,10 and 11, receiving aspects promise victory

> >over

> >> >> >enemies; success in litigation; win in competition and gain

in

> >> >> >lottery, games, etc. (However, 2H, promotion, money for the

> >native

> >> >> >may be death of wife; 10H, promotion is maraka for parents

and

> >> >also

> >> >> >serious illness of the child; beneficial 4 & 5 houses are

> >> >detrimental

> >> >> >for the children; 2 & 7 may be desirable at younger age for

> >money

> >> >> >and love, but undesirable for maraka at older age --–etc)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Houses 4,5,7,8,9 and 12 receiving good aspects threaten

loss

> >and

> >> >> >when the aspects are adverse, promise gain. (But these

houses

> >may

> >> >be

> >> >> >useful for foreign travel, matters of house & car, education

> >and

> >> >> >parents --- etc)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > , Anurodh Kumar

> ><anurodh1>

> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> Dear List,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Happy new year.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup

by

> >way

> >> >of

> >> >> >aspect will always be benificial even if he is lord of

malific

> >> >houses.

> >> >> >> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always

be

> >> >> >malific even if they have lordship of the benefic houses.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I have following questions to ask:

> >> >> >> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars

takes

> >> >place?

> >> >> >> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet

> >> >especailly

> >> >> >the the outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected

> >planet

> >> >and

> >> >> >the aspected planet becomes the representative of the

aspecting

> >> >> >planet.

> >> >> >> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it

> >holds

> >> >> >the malific houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if

they

> >are

> >> >> >having the beneficial houses.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> kindly enlight me on the topic.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> with regards,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Anurodh

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> The all-new My – What will yours do?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply Mr. Punit

regards,

AnurodhPunit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Anurodh ji,Happy New Year.In KP there is no concept of malefic or benefic. A planet can be goodfor one thing and bad for another. So do you think it is logical totalk about malefic and benefic? Sri KSK has given one scenario wherein the same dasa period one has got the job and lost his father(AFAIR).Punit PandeyOn Sat, 1 Jan 2005 06:14:53 -0800 (PST), Anurodh Kumar<anurodh1 wrote:> Dear List,> > Happy new year.> > I want to ask a basic question on benefics and malifics.> > In Astrosecrets part 1 the writer has emphasised that jup by way of aspect> will always be benificial even if he is lord of malific houses.> He has said that sat and mars by way of aspect will always be malific even> if they have lordship of the benefic

houses.> > I have following questions to ask:> a. What will happen when conjuction of jup or sat/mars takes place?> b. It is said that if a planet aspects the other planet especailly the the> outer planets they effect the sig of the aspected planet and the aspected> planet becomes the representative of the aspecting planet.> In the light of the above facts doesn't jup afflicts if it holds the malific> houses and sat , mars fortify the planets if they are having the beneficial> houses.> > kindly enlight me on the topic.> > with regards,> > Anurodh> > ________________________________> > The all-new My – What will yours do? > ________________________________>