Guest guest Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Dera All, 1. In # Msg 2029, SN RAJASEKARAN says, " Think Regarding Dhasa Length K.P.Also Even Mr.Krishnamurthy Also Done Mistake ... No Doubt... " Any convicing proof? Reasons? References? 2. If so, (as mentioned in # Msg 2003 & 2021) not only K.S. Krishnamurti but also B.V. Raman, K. N. Rao, Bepin Behari, V.K. Choudhry (SA), Sanjay Rath and other most practising astrologers who use a 365-day year dasha --- `Done Mistake ... No Doubt...' May be also ---- Mantreswarar, by mentioning in Paladheepika that one completes a year only when the Sun again enters into the same longitude, as it was at the time of the birth of the native. 3. Only K. S. Krishnamurti mentions, " For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365 1/4 days must be taken. " ( " KP Reader I " , Madras, 1982, p. 97) Others just employ a 365-day year Vimshottari dasa as if not necessary to mention or argue. Behari Bepin mentions, " only 30 days comprise a month and a year of 365 days " (The Timing of Events, p 15) and V.K. Choudhry (SA), " 365.25 Day Year " in Jyotish Tools (SA) printouts. 4. As David Frawley mentions, " Some Vedic astrologer employ a 360-day year for dasha purposes. " (Astrology of the Seers, p 175) Usha-Shashi, Hira Gulrajani, Rohini Ranjan, N. Sundara Rajan, Sadasiva Giri, --- SN RAJASEKARAN---- more astrolgers with reputation ---- of published astrological articles or books or research works will be worthy to note? 5. Even Rohini Ranjan and N. Sundara Rajan do not say that applying a 365-day year dasha is 'a mistake' and just advocte a 360- day year dasha by mentioning references and say that a 360-day year dasha gives better results. (Ref in # Msg 2003) 6. There are also other crucial factors other than so- called accurate computer calculations (based on TOB which is not so reliable for accuracy even with BC) to get better results, for examples: a. In 1st Century BC, Vaharamihira told the King Vikramaditya's son was going to be killed at the age of 7 years, 7 months, 7 days and 7 hours in the evening by a boar. In the late 18th Century, the astrologer who was not afraid of the consequences of truth told the King Tippu Sultan in Karnataka State that he was not going to win the battle of Cochin in the Kerala State. (True Stories of the Power of Vedic Astrology, Chakrapani Ullal, http://www.chakrapani.com/articles/articleancientstories.htm) b. K S Krishnamurti, " Many general rules which should not be strictly applied. Many modifications are to be included.--- nalytical study, correct intuition and good judgment are needed -– " c. B. V. Raman, " Astrology is a subject where not only an insight into its techniques is needed but also certain amount of intuition. Experience can gradually make appreciate the nuances of the predictive art. d. Anant Raichur, " prediction is not just applying rules --- IT IS GOD WHO FINLLY DETREMINES THE RESULT " . (pasted from Msg# 1319) e. Punit Pandey, " there is no clear cut method has been given to trace the events of one's life. One has to rely heavily on his/her own logic for predicting events. " (pasted from Msg#1312) 7. Keeping my mind open on the subject, a 360-day year dasha will be applied if someone succeeded in convincing the larger section of scientific minded astrlogers. That has not happened yet. Long Live KP! Best regards, tw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Vaidun, S.N, tw, et al, I am late into this discussion, but here are a few thoughts that may be pertinent. We astrologers use two different but inter-related reference points. 1st - 0*Aries and 2nd - The 1st day of the year. The first one is the start of the 360 degrees zodiac - ie the basis of our astrological charts. In early days it would have been recognized that the Sun traveled approximately one degree per day and completed the circuit in approximately one year. This was possibly the original reason for using the 360 day year. This system in reality measures the earth completing a circuit around the Sun and hence is HELIOCENTRIC. The 2nd one is the start of the year which with closer scrutiny was found to give a 365.2422 day Solar year. This introduces factors relative specifically to the turning of the earth, hence could be called GEOCENTRIC. In their wisdom the ancients recognized that much of life was influenced by the Moon due to its proximity to earth. As such they used the Moon as the timer in the latter case. The question is should the former, ie the 360 day, also have the Moon as the timer? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the Sun as the timer, being a Heliocentric measurement? Nelson has shown quite conclusively (by studying the propagation of radio waves) that there is a definite result on the earth from Heliocentric transits. Whilst little work appears to have been done on Heliocentric natal astrology it could be an interesting study, coupling this with a Solar dasa system. It could be that the 365+ day year with the Moon (mind) is our very own personal reaction and timer from the dasa system; whilst the 360 day year with the Sun could show the impact on us from events and circumstances peripheral and outside of ourselves. Ron Gaunt PS. We consider natal imprints against a backdrop of the celestial sky. As Sidereal astrologers shouldn't we be using a dasa system equating to a Sidereal year of 365.2564 rather than a Tropical year of 365.2422? Admittedly this will make little difference in natal astrology, but it would have relevance in long term mundane astrology. >On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:22:29 -0000, you wrote: > > >Dera All, > >1. In # Msg 2029, SN RAJASEKARAN says, " Think Regarding Dhasa >Length K.P.Also Even Mr.Krishnamurthy Also >Done Mistake ... No Doubt... " > >Any convicing proof? Reasons? References? > >2. If so, (as mentioned in # Msg 2003 & 2021) not only K.S. >Krishnamurti but also B.V. Raman, K. N. Rao, Bepin Behari, V.K. >Choudhry (SA), Sanjay Rath and other most practising astrologers who >use a 365-day year dasha --- `Done Mistake ... No Doubt...' >May be also ---- Mantreswarar, by mentioning in Paladheepika that >one completes a year only when the Sun again enters into the same >longitude, as it was at the time of the birth of the native. > >3. Only K. S. Krishnamurti mentions, " For convenience and for >easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the >difference is negligible. But 365 1/4 days must be taken. " ( " KP >Reader I " , Madras, 1982, p. 97) Others just employ a 365-day year >Vimshottari dasa as if not necessary to mention or argue. Behari >Bepin mentions, " only 30 days comprise a month and a year of 365 >days " (The Timing of Events, p 15) and V.K. Choudhry (SA), " 365.25 >Day Year " in Jyotish Tools (SA) printouts. > >4. As David Frawley mentions, " Some Vedic astrologer employ a >360-day year for dasha purposes. " (Astrology of the Seers, p 175) >Usha-Shashi, Hira Gulrajani, Rohini Ranjan, N. Sundara Rajan, >Sadasiva Giri, --- SN RAJASEKARAN---- more astrolgers with >reputation ---- of published astrological articles or books or >research works will be worthy to note? > >5. Even Rohini Ranjan and N. Sundara Rajan do not say that >applying a 365-day year dasha is 'a mistake' and just advocte a 360- >day year dasha by mentioning references and say that a 360-day year >dasha gives better results. (Ref in # Msg 2003) > >6. There are also other crucial factors other than so- >called accurate computer calculations (based on TOB which is not so >reliable for accuracy even with BC) to get better results, for >examples: > >a. In 1st Century BC, Vaharamihira told the King Vikramaditya's >son was going to be killed at the age of 7 years, 7 months, 7 days >and 7 hours in the evening by a boar. In the late 18th Century, the >astrologer who was not afraid of the consequences of truth told the >King Tippu Sultan in Karnataka State that he was not going to win the >battle of Cochin in the Kerala State. (True Stories of the Power of >Vedic Astrology, Chakrapani Ullal, >http://www.chakrapani.com/articles/articleancientstories.htm) > >b. K S Krishnamurti, " Many general rules which should not be >strictly applied. Many modifications are to be included.--- nalytical >study, correct intuition and good judgment are needed -– " > >c. B. V. Raman, " Astrology is a subject where not only an insight >into its techniques is needed but also certain amount of intuition. >Experience can gradually make appreciate the nuances of the >predictive art. > >d. Anant Raichur, " prediction is not just applying rules --- IT >IS GOD WHO FINLLY DETREMINES THE RESULT " . (pasted from Msg# 1319) > >e. Punit Pandey, " there is no clear cut method has been given to >trace the events of one's life. One has to rely heavily on his/her >own logic for predicting events. " (pasted from Msg#1312) > > >7. Keeping my mind open on the subject, a 360-day year dasha >will be applied if someone succeeded in convincing the larger section >of scientific minded astrlogers. That has not happened yet. > > >Long Live KP! > >Best regards, > >tw > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Dear All, 1. What I'm defending is Guruji KSK's view to apply the Vimshottari dasa using a 365.25 day-year (solar year). QUOTE Some astrlogers take a year as equavalent to 360 days while a few others take as 365 1/4 days for purposes of calculation.--- No explanation is available in any work of astrology as to how the sages had assigned 6 years to Sun, 10 to Moon, 7 to Mras and so on. But all have not definitely stated whether one is to take 365 1/4 days or 360 days for purposes of calculation. So a doubt arises as Hindus adopt five different Manams or methods for fiding out the commencement of a year, its duration and its end----. Thus, there are five different years, and each isfollwed for different purposes. For calculatind the Udu Dasa system, one has to follow only SOURA MANAM.--- This is around 356 1/4 days. --- Mantreswarar, in Paladheepika, has mentioned that one completes a year only when the Sun again enters into the same longitude, as it was at the time of the birth of the native. That is, Mantreswarar takes a year, as the interval of time taken by the Sun to leave any one position in the Zidiac and again reach the same position…He...is of firm opinion that Soura Manam system alone is to be followed for Udu dasa. ---For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 365 1/4 days must be taken. UNQUOTE (KP Reader I, pp 96-97) 2. What I'm defending a 365 day-year is not a blind faith. As Punit Pandey says in Msg # 422, May 3, 2004, " Sri KSK was very experimental astrologer " and his view in this regard is consistent with the overwhelm section of scientific minded astrlogers. As we all know, basic Vimshottari dasa in all softwares currently used apply a 365.25 day-year (whith a negligable differece of days in a native's life span) and the application of a 360 day- year is only an option for some astrlogers. 3. After reviewing computer printouts of Vimshottari dasa using both 360 day-year and 365 day-year, I don't see any reason to argue about the details in computer softwares. 4. The real issue is the old controversy whcich is going on and will be going on, i.e. whether to apply a 360 day-year or 365 day- year in Vimshotarri dasa. I use and advocate a 365 day-year, but I can't say it's correct without having any convincing proof, research work, references and so on. If someone says that something is wrong, the burden of proof will be on him. Best regards, tw Best regards, tw , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Vaidun, S.N, tw, et al, > > I am late into this discussion, but here are a few thoughts that > may be pertinent. > > We astrologers use two different but inter-related reference > points. 1st - 0*Aries and 2nd - The 1st day of the year. > > The first one is the start of the 360 degrees zodiac - ie the > basis of our astrological charts. In early days it would have > been recognized that the Sun traveled approximately one degree > per day and completed the circuit in approximately one year. > This was possibly the original reason for using the 360 day year. > This system in reality measures the earth completing a circuit > around the Sun and hence is HELIOCENTRIC. > > The 2nd one is the start of the year which with closer scrutiny > was found to give a 365.2422 day Solar year. This introduces > factors relative specifically to the turning of the earth, hence > could be called GEOCENTRIC. > > In their wisdom the ancients recognized that much of life was > influenced by the Moon due to its proximity to earth. As such > they used the Moon as the timer in the latter case. The > question is should the former, ie the 360 day, also have the Moon > as the timer? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to have the Sun > as the timer, being a Heliocentric measurement? > > Nelson has shown quite conclusively (by studying the propagation > of radio waves) that there is a definite result on the earth > from Heliocentric transits. Whilst little work appears to have > been done on Heliocentric natal astrology it could be an > interesting study, coupling this with a Solar dasa system. > > It could be that the 365+ day year with the Moon (mind) is our > very own personal reaction and timer from the dasa system; > whilst the 360 day year with the Sun could show the impact on us > from events and circumstances peripheral and outside of > ourselves. > > Ron Gaunt > > PS. We consider natal imprints against a backdrop of > the celestial sky. As Sidereal astrologers shouldn't > we be using a dasa system equating to a Sidereal > year of 365.2564 rather than a Tropical year of > 365.2422? Admittedly this will make little difference > in natal astrology, but it would have relevance in long > term mundane astrology. > > > > > >On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:22:29 -0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Dera All, > > > >1. In # Msg 2029, SN RAJASEKARAN says, " Think Regarding Dhasa > >Length K.P.Also Even Mr.Krishnamurthy Also > >Done Mistake ... No Doubt... " > > > >Any convicing proof? Reasons? References? > > > >2. If so, (as mentioned in # Msg 2003 & 2021) not only K.S. > >Krishnamurti but also B.V. Raman, K. N. Rao, Bepin Behari, V.K. > >Choudhry (SA), Sanjay Rath and other most practising astrologers who > >use a 365-day year dasha --- `Done Mistake ... No Doubt...' > >May be also ---- Mantreswarar, by mentioning in Paladheepika that > >one completes a year only when the Sun again enters into the same > >longitude, as it was at the time of the birth of the native. > > > >3. Only K. S. Krishnamurti mentions, " For convenience and for > >easy calculation of sub sub periods 360 days are taken, as the > >difference is negligible. But 365 1/4 days must be taken. " ( " KP > >Reader I " , Madras, 1982, p. 97) Others just employ a 365-day year > >Vimshottari dasa as if not necessary to mention or argue. Behari > >Bepin mentions, " only 30 days comprise a month and a year of 365 > >days " (The Timing of Events, p 15) and V.K. Choudhry (SA), " 365.25 > >Day Year " in Jyotish Tools (SA) printouts. > > > >4. As David Frawley mentions, " Some Vedic astrologer employ a > >360-day year for dasha purposes. " (Astrology of the Seers, p 175) > >Usha-Shashi, Hira Gulrajani, Rohini Ranjan, N. Sundara Rajan, > >Sadasiva Giri, --- SN RAJASEKARAN---- more astrolgers with > >reputation ---- of published astrological articles or books or > >research works will be worthy to note? > > > >5. Even Rohini Ranjan and N. Sundara Rajan do not say that > >applying a 365-day year dasha is 'a mistake' and just advocte a 360- > >day year dasha by mentioning references and say that a 360-day year > >dasha gives better results. (Ref in # Msg 2003) > > > >6. There are also other crucial factors other than so- > >called accurate computer calculations (based on TOB which is not so > >reliable for accuracy even with BC) to get better results, for > >examples: > > > >a. In 1st Century BC, Vaharamihira told the King Vikramaditya's > >son was going to be killed at the age of 7 years, 7 months, 7 days > >and 7 hours in the evening by a boar. In the late 18th Century, the > >astrologer who was not afraid of the consequences of truth told the > >King Tippu Sultan in Karnataka State that he was not going to win the > >battle of Cochin in the Kerala State. (True Stories of the Power of > >Vedic Astrology, Chakrapani Ullal, > >http://www.chakrapani.com/articles/articleancientstories.htm) > > > >b. K S Krishnamurti, " Many general rules which should not be > >strictly applied. Many modifications are to be included.--- nalytical > >study, correct intuition and good judgment are needed -– " > > > >c. B. V. Raman, " Astrology is a subject where not only an insight > >into its techniques is needed but also certain amount of intuition. > >Experience can gradually make appreciate the nuances of the > >predictive art. > > > >d. Anant Raichur, " prediction is not just applying rules --- IT > >IS GOD WHO FINLLY DETREMINES THE RESULT " . (pasted from Msg# 1319) > > > >e. Punit Pandey, " there is no clear cut method has been given to > >trace the events of one's life. One has to rely heavily on his/her > >own logic for predicting events. " (pasted from Msg#1312) > > > > > >7. Keeping my mind open on the subject, a 360-day year dasha > >will be applied if someone succeeded in convincing the larger section > >of scientific minded astrlogers. That has not happened yet. > > > > > >Long Live KP! > > > >Best regards, > > > >tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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