Question of dasa periods and 360 days per year

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Dear Learned List Members,

 

I would like to pose a couple of questions please, if I may:

 

1. Are we using the "360 days per year" scale in our calculations or do we advocate "365.25 days per year" scale?

 

2. Do we follow the dasa periods as given below, or do we follow a reduced period because of using the "360 days per year" scale:

 

 

Ketu: 7 years

Venus: 20 years

Sun: 6 years

Moon: 10 years

Mars: 7 years

Rahu: 18 years

Jupiter: 16 years

Saturn: 19 years

Mercury: 17 years

 

Thanks. With regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

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Dear Vidhydhar

 

When you use the so called 360 days a year, the correct usage is 12 months to one year, fractions of the month converted as 30 days to the month.

 

If you want to use 365.25 days, the Dasa Periods should also be in Days, i.e. Venus dasa as 20*365.25 =7,3050 calender days.

 

Good Luck

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

 

Dear Learned List Members,

 

I would like to pose a couple of questions please, if I may:

 

1. Are we using the "360 days per year" scale in our calculations or do we advocate "365.25 days per year" scale?

 

2. Do we follow the dasa periods as given below, or do we follow a reduced period because of using the "360 days per year" scale:

 

 

Ketu: 7 years

Venus: 20 years

Sun: 6 years

Moon: 10 years

Mars: 7 years

Rahu: 18 years

Jupiter: 16 years

Saturn: 19 years

Mercury: 17 years

 

Thanks. With regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mr Raichur,

 

Thank you for your very valued response. I appreciate it.

 

I think I need to explain WHY I asked this question. When I was living in Madras 1988 I was introduced to KP and started learning from the KP Readers. A friend of mine was interested in having his computer generated horoscope cast by one of the leading KP astrologers. After the print out was received by my friend he showed it to me. All the house cusps and planetary positions were shown. Then the dasa / bhukti periods were shown for the next several decades. I however noticed one very big flaw. The starting date of each dasa was not on the same day and month. For instance, if Venus dasa starts on, say, 24 Aug 2014, Sun dasa should start on 24 Aug 2034. But it was seen that Sun dasa started on 11 May 2034. What had happened was the computer print out was using the "360 days per year" scale and placing it on the real-time "365.25 days per year" calendar. So Venus dasa was ending after 360 x 20 = 7200 days, which translates to less than the stipulated 20 years. I tried to explain this error in the computer print out to the KP astrologer but received no response from him.

 

Also recently, Mr Rajasekaran has put forward his computer program on KP astrology and he is using the 360 days per year scale. By in real life we don't live by the 360 days per year calendar. There is then no point in going down to the seventh dasa level using the 360 days per year calendar because there will be an in built error in this calendar. In a 360 days per year calendar all 12 months are allocated 30 days each. But in real life we never have a date such as 30th February.

 

I look forward to your very valued comments on the above.

 

Thank you. With best regards.

 

Vidyadhar

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

 

 

 

anant raichur [anant_1608] Monday, 20 December 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Question of dasa periods and 360 days per year

 

Dear Vidhydhar

 

When you use the so called 360 days a year, the correct usage is 12 months to one year, fractions of the month converted as 30 days to the month.

 

If you want to use 365.25 days, the Dasa Periods should also be in Days, i.e. Venus dasa as 20*365.25 =7,3050 calender days.

 

Good Luck

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

 

Dear Learned List Members,

 

I would like to pose a couple of questions please, if I may:

 

1. Are we using the "360 days per year" scale in our calculations or do we advocate "365.25 days per year" scale?

 

2. Do we follow the dasa periods as given below, or do we follow a reduced period because of using the "360 days per year" scale:

 

 

Ketu: 7 years

Venus: 20 years

Sun: 6 years

Moon: 10 years

Mars: 7 years

Rahu: 18 years

Jupiter: 16 years

Saturn: 19 years

Mercury: 17 years

 

Thanks. With regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

 

As mentioned in Appendix II of Msg #1601, well known astrlogers like

K.S. Krishnamurti, B.V. Raman, K. N. Rao, Bepin Behari, V.K. Choudhry

(SA), Sanjay Rath and others have used 365 day year. 365.25 day year

is clearly shown on SA Jotish software printout. Free JHL software of

Sanjay Rath Group gives an option to calculate dasa for 365 or 360

day year.

 

Even though the real mystery in Vimsottari dasa is why recommended to

follow a particular order of planet periods, and also why allotted

each planet a particular numbers of years, the controversy of 360 or

365 day year is going on for some astrolgers like Rohini Ranjan, N.

Sundara Rajan as shown below.

 

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

P.S. Also the real controversy in ayanamsas is the date of

coincidence of both zodiacs ie. zero ayanamsa year, Lahiri 285 A.D.,

KP 291 A.D., Raman 397 A.D., not jsut 30-40sec differnce.

 

 

 

 

1. Krishnamurti, " KP Reader I " , Madras, 1982, p. 97

 

Mantreswarar, in Paladheepika, has mentioned that one completes a

year only when the Sun again enters into the same longitude, as it

was at the time of the birth of the native. That is, Mantreswarar

takes a year, as the interval of time taken by the Sun to leave any

one position in the Zidiac and again reach the same position…He...is

of firm opinion that Soura Manam system alone is to be followed for

Udu dasa…For convenience and for easy calculation of sub sub periods

360 days are taken, as the difference is negligible. But 3651/2 days

must be taken.

 

2. Bepin Behari, " The Timing of Events " , Deli 2002, p. 15

 

Sub-lordship of Sun during its own main period will be one-twentieth

(6/120) of 6 years. It will therefore by equal to 3 months 18 days.

In this system (Vimsottari dasa) only 30 days comprise a month and a

year of 365 days.

 

3. Jyotish Sastri, " How Long is a Year In Vimsottari Mahadasa? " (Oct

& Nov 2000 Astrological Magazine)

 

How Long is the Year in Vimsottai Mahadasa 1

 

The only reference to a 360 day year was used strictly for

sacrificial purposes, the soma-yajna, it was not a lunar or solar

year, nor was it used for civil or astrological purposes. The Vedic

Lunar calendar is actually Solar because it is tied to the seasons

which in turn are a Solar phenomena, thus the Lunar and Solar

calendars measure the same length of time and do not diverge as a

function of time as does the 360d/y in comparison with the 365d/y.

Confusion arose after the British introduced the Gregorian calendar

into India, then Lunar tithis became mistakenly equated with Solar

days and the Lunar year of 360 tithis became confused with a solar

year of 360 days. Inspite of this confusion pre-British classics in

Vedic astrology such as Phala Dipika clearly state that the year for

Mahadasa calculation is 365 day year. The claims of those who state

they get better results using a 360 day year is based on ignoring the

holistic approach to astrological analysis and is more or less bluff

and opinion. If we must choose on the basis of opinion then choose

the opinion of the Rishis and previous acaryas who are steeped in the

Vedic cultural traditions of astronomy and calendric science. The

previous acaryas follow the 365 day year for mahadasa calculation.

 

 

Concluding with H.R. Shankar's remark, " If we are to go with --- 360

day year---, it would turn out that a native may have to celebrate

his 72 birthday even while he has yet to complete his 71st year under

Vimsottari reckoning. " ( Some Misgivings On Calculating

Mahadasa ,Astrologicam Magazine, January, 1974)

 

4. Rohini Ranjan, " For Beginners in Jyotish-3 " , 1998

 

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00308b.htm

 

 

If one looks up most published vimshottari dasha tables in epehemeris

and texts, the authors of which have been brave enough to place these

tables, would readily see that implicitly, the 360 day year has been

favored by most. This is not proof, per se, of vimshottari dasha

working best with the 360 day year, certainly! Nor is the

rather 'bold' statement in Usha-Shashi's Hindu Astrological

Calculations, 1978, page 174, " A [dasha] year consists of 12 months

of 30 days each " , and refers to art.111 in the same book where Surya

Siddhanta is quoted, either! That, this gives the days in a

vimshottari cycle as 120 x 12 x 30 = 43200 days (which is 1/3600th of

432000 years, the total duration of kaliyuga). A coincidence,

perhaps! There are very good jyotishis, who use different kinds of

ayanamshas and dasha years and come up with very good analyses and

predictions. The controversy is not over (if there is one, that

is!). --- however, there are some who hold the view that the 360

refers to the degrees of motion of the sun through the zodiac and not

the number of days, sun moves 360 degrees in 365.25 days.

 

5. N. Sundara Rajan, " Dasa-Bhukti Computation- 360 or 365 Days " ,

Astrological Magazine, January 2004 p.87-90, 96-97

 

http://www.sulekha.com/content/epress/samples/EB_RAMAN_015_S.pdf

 

Multiply Dasa years (of a planet) by itself and divide the resultby

10 and separate the fraction. Multiply by 3. The quotient is months

and the rest (what remains) is days et. Of Bhukti. (Vriddha

Parasaiyam)

 

Qouting B.V. Raman's Graha and Bhava Balas " , The Hindus, for

astrological purposes, consider a yaer and month of 365 and 30 days

respectively. They are neither solar, nor lunar, nor luni-solar.

 

The maximum longevity--- 120 years of 360 days or 43200 days, which

is one-tenth (in days) of the Kali Yuga duration of 4,32,000 years.

 

6. Know your Dasha All India Astrological Services

 

http://www.hinduastrology.org/learnastrology/dasha.asp

 

While computing dasha dates we add days to days, months to months and

years to years. If days are more than 30, we take a carry over of 1

to months and similarly if months are more than 12 we take a carry

over of 1 to year. Here we do not take into account the actual

number. of days in a month.

 

It seems that we are taking a year as 360 days only - 12 months x 30

days per month. However, this is a wrong understanding. Actually, we

are dividing the year into months by multiplying by 12 and further

converting into days by multiplying of 30. we add up in the same

manner. So it is not correct to add by taking actual days of months

into consideration. This simplicity of calculation takes the year as

365.25 days. The actual dates computed by rigorous calculations by

taking actual days of the months and by this simple method differ

only by a few days; accurate practically for all astrological

purposes.

 

 

 

 

, " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...>

wrote:

> Dear Mr Raichur,

>

> Thank you for your very valued response. I appreciate it.

>

> I think I need to explain WHY I asked this question. When I was

living in

> Madras 1988 I was introduced to KP and started learning from the KP

Readers.

> A friend of mine was interested in having his computer generated

horoscope

> cast by one of the leading KP astrologers. After the print out was

received

> by my friend he showed it to me. All the house cusps and planetary

> positions were shown. Then the dasa / bhukti periods were shown

for the

> next several decades. I however noticed one very big flaw. The

starting

> date of each dasa was not on the same day and month. For instance,

if Venus

> dasa starts on, say, 24 Aug 2014, Sun dasa should start on 24 Aug

2034. But

> it was seen that Sun dasa started on 11 May 2034. What had

happened was the

> computer print out was using the " 360 days per year " scale and

placing it on

> the real-time " 365.25 days per year " calendar. So Venus dasa was

ending

> after 360 x 20 = 7200 days, which translates to less than the

stipulated 20

> years. I tried to explain this error in the computer print out to

the KP

> astrologer but received no response from him.

>

> Also recently, Mr Rajasekaran has put forward his computer program

on KP

> astrology and he is using the 360 days per year scale. By in real

life we

> don't live by the 360 days per year calendar. There is then no

point in

> going down to the seventh dasa level using the 360 days per year

calendar

> because there will be an in built error in this calendar. In a 360

days per

> year calendar all 12 months are allocated 30 days each. But in

real life we

> never have a date such as 30th February.

>

> I look forward to your very valued comments on the above.

>

> Thank you. With best regards.

>

> Vidyadhar

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o...

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> anant raichur [anant_1608]

> Monday, 20 December 2004 5:18 PM

>

> Re: Question of dasa periods and 360 days per

year

>

>

> Dear Vidhydhar

>

> When you use the so called 360 days a year, the correct usage is

12 months

> to one year, fractions of the month converted as 30 days to the

month.

>

> If you want to use 365.25 days, the Dasa Periods should also be in

Days,

> i.e. Venus dasa as 20*365.25 =7,3050 calender days.

>

> Good Luck

>

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya@o...> wrote:

>

> Dear Learned List Members,

>

> I would like to pose a couple of questions please, if I may:

>

> 1. Are we using the " 360 days per year " scale in our calculations

or do we

> advocate " 365.25 days per year " scale?

>

> 2. Do we follow the dasa periods as given below, or do we follow

a reduced

> period because of using the " 360 days per year " scale:

>

>

> Ketu: 7 years

> Venus: 20 years

> Sun: 6 years

> Moon: 10 years

> Mars: 7 years

> Rahu: 18 years

> Jupiter: 16 years

> Saturn: 19 years

> Mercury: 17 years

>

> Thanks. With regards.

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o...

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Dear Mr Vidydhar,

 

As I explained, in my prog. I use 1 year =12 months. and 1 month =30 days. Whenever any addittion is required in calculating the Dasas, and Antara Dasas, the Calculations is done on this basis, and I do get anamoloies like 30th Feb, or 31st June. I correct this to 2nd March, or 1st July.

 

I tried the other method of 365.25 days to the year, and taking the Dasa Periods in Number of Days. Here because of Rounding of problems, I get Say Sun Dasa ends on 12th Aug 1920

The Moon Dasa instead of starting on 12 Aug 1920, would be shown as starting on 11th Aug 1920. This is due to rounding of the Calendender days, in the calculations.

 

The Difference between the 12 Months and 30 days Method and the 365.25 method is only 1 or max 2 days, in the Dasa/Antardas Starts. I beleive this is an acceptable error of calculation.

 

Good Luck

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

 

Dear Mr Raichur,

 

Thank you for your very valued response. I appreciate it.

 

I think I need to explain WHY I asked this question. When I was living in Madras 1988 I was introduced to KP and started learning from the KP Readers. A friend of mine was interested in having his computer generated horoscope cast by one of the leading KP astrologers. After the print out was received by my friend he showed it to me. All the house cusps and planetary positions were shown. Then the dasa / bhukti periods were shown for the next several decades. I however noticed one very big flaw. The starting date of each dasa was not on the same day and month. For instance, if Venus dasa starts on, say, 24 Aug 2014, Sun dasa should start on 24 Aug 2034. But it was seen that Sun dasa started on 11 May 2034. What had happened was the computer print out was using the "360 days per year" scale and placing it on the real-time "365.25 days per

year" calendar. So Venus dasa was ending after 360 x 20 = 7200 days, which translates to less than the stipulated 20 years. I tried to explain this error in the computer print out to the KP astrologer but received no response from him.

 

Also recently, Mr Rajasekaran has put forward his computer program on KP astrology and he is using the 360 days per year scale. By in real life we don't live by the 360 days per year calendar. There is then no point in going down to the seventh dasa level using the 360 days per year calendar because there will be an in built error in this calendar. In a 360 days per year calendar all 12 months are allocated 30 days each. But in real life we never have a date such as 30th February.

 

I look forward to your very valued comments on the above.

 

Thank you. With best regards.

 

Vidyadhar

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

 

 

 

anant raichur [anant_1608] Monday, 20 December 2004 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Question of dasa periods and 360 days per year

 

Dear Vidhydhar

 

When you use the so called 360 days a year, the correct usage is 12 months to one year, fractions of the month converted as 30 days to the month.

 

If you want to use 365.25 days, the Dasa Periods should also be in Days, i.e. Venus dasa as 20*365.25 =7,3050 calender days.

 

Good Luck

Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote:

 

Dear Learned List Members,

 

I would like to pose a couple of questions please, if I may:

 

1. Are we using the "360 days per year" scale in our calculations or do we advocate "365.25 days per year" scale?

 

2. Do we follow the dasa periods as given below, or do we follow a reduced period because of using the "360 days per year" scale:

 

 

Ketu: 7 years

Venus: 20 years

Sun: 6 years

Moon: 10 years

Mars: 7 years

Rahu: 18 years

Jupiter: 16 years

Saturn: 19 years

Mercury: 17 years

 

Thanks. With regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

 

 

 

 

 

 

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