AN IDEA - (was Techniques: KP approved or not?)

December 8, 2004

All members,

I think this List is excellent as it has a wealth of talented KP

astrologers, many who actually participate (unlike most Lists).

I am glad I found it because for over 35 years I have wasted more

time than I care to admit on checking out other peoples theories

that in the end just do not work. As a neophyte KP convert I

hope and think this will be different.

I suspect that for many seasoned KP astrologers, KP as written

up in the 'Readers' is all that is needed; as like Yogesh they

get the right answers nearly all the time. Having said this I

recognize the frustrations some astrologers may have with not

being able to explain their reason for coming to some

determination because it is not normally used in KP. In my own

case I have found to date only one method that is consistently

correct for prognostication and that is Solar Eclipses. I have

shown these on the List because I felt that they are not really

outside the bounds of KP being simply transits - all though they

are a special type of transit. I do however off list, double

check using Solar Returns, Minor Progressions and divisionals

for additional insights.

My idea is that whilst recognizing the k-p-system as the parent

we start a separate offspring List called k-psystem PLUS (or any

other appropriate name.) In this List we could incorporate other

ideas with KP. For instance I would post the Blind Charts to

both Lists; anyone who wanted to respond with pristine KP would

use 'k-p-system' and others who would like to incorporate other

ideas would use the offspring List. This way the KP purist

would not be bothered with sorting through masses of mails

irrelevant to him, whilst others would have the opportunity to

evaluate new ideas that might marry with KP.

How do members feel about this? Any ideas or suggestions?

Ron Gaunt

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear tw,

>

>Thanks. I have one more simple question if I may.

>

>One of the attractions for me to KP is that in many respects, the " East

>meets the West " , and therefore interesting concepts from both systems

>are utilized. But I'm not fully clear on what KP accepts as legit - so a

>few more questions.

>

>1. Are declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) ever considered in

>KP?

>

>2. Progressions? (If so, Secondary and Tertiary, or just Secondary?)

>Solar Returns?

>

>3. Does the consideration of Midpoints have any value in KP?

>

>(Ooops - that was 3 questions.Thanks.)

>

> All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

>tw853 [tw853]

>Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:03 PM

>

> Re: Techniques: KP approved or not?

>

>Dear Sandy Crowther,

>

>According to my limited KP knowledge, my personal opinion is as

>follows:

>

>1. First one is okay.

>

>2. Second one, not much familiar for me.

>

>3. Third one may not be much problem except that generally Asc alone

>is applied in KP.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>wrote:

>> Dear List Members,

>>

>> Before I get myself in trouble again (:-)) by discussing Vedic

>> techniques that are NOT KP approved, I thought I'd ask a few

>questions

>> of the more seasoned KP practitioners on the list, to get your

>opinions

>> on just a few Vedic techniques and their applicability (or not) to

>the

>> system of KP.

>>

>> I know the following techniques I am inquiring about may not be the

>> primary indicators/focus due to the KP strong emphasis on star and

>> sub-lords, but what I would like to know is if the following

>techniques

>> are completely off limits (like the Divisionals are) for

>delineation KP

>> style - and therefore have no place in this KP forum - or if they

>are

>> acceptable and given due consideration in KP delineations?

>>

>> 1. Badhakas (troublemakers) and Badhaka Sthanas (trouble spots?)

>> 2. Chara Karakas (temporary karakas based on priority of highest

>> planetary degree), and if these are given KP consideration, is Rahu

>> included in the Chara Karaka scheme (8 planets used), or just the

>use of

>> the 7 planet Chara Karakas scheme? What about Sthira Karakas (fixed

>> significators to assist in timing the death of relatives?)

>> 3. What about planets falling in Marana Karaka Sthana (indicators

>> that houses owned by certain planets falling in certain placements

>will

>> suffer - like 12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, etc? If this is not a KP

>> approved technique, has any research been done to date(that anyone

>is

>> aware of) to discredit or address when the sub for a planetary

>> significator falls in Marana Karaka Sthana ?

>>

>> I can think of more techniques, but I'll stop my questions at

>these. I'm

>> just trying to discern " what's what " .:-) because I was blown away

>at the

>> non-usage of vargas, so this is a start.

>>

>> Important to me: I would also like to know if one or two of the

>above

>> techniques are acceptable in KP, and a third is not, (or vice-

>versa), is

>> it because research has been done indicating that the technique has

>> already been researched and has no value in KP, or is it because no

>one

>> has previously mentioned the technique in their writings OR done any

>> research on its applicability - therefore it is not (yet)

>considered a

>> viable possibility in KP delineation - so it may or may not be

>> applicable? Just curious.Thanks.

>>

>> All the Best,

>>

>> Sandy Crowther

>>

>> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>>

>> <http://www.jupitersweb.com>

>

December 8, 2004

Ron,

Bringing people on one platform is not easy task. It requires a lot of

hard work and support at various levels. Even if we create a new

group, I am sure that there are not many who will join. I have seen

this hesitation in people in moving to another forum. Reason may be

people don't want another bunch of mails. Also seeing the present

size, I don't think that creating a new group will be a good idea.

Normally I believe that any group with more than 1000 members should

be split in more groups but this group is not even close to that. It

is just my experience as I am moderating few more groups of different

sizes.

It would be good to get opinion of other members.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:21:40 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>

> All members,

>

> I think this List is excellent as it has a wealth of talented KP

> astrologers, many who actually participate (unlike most Lists).

> I am glad I found it because for over 35 years I have wasted more

> time than I care to admit on checking out other peoples theories

> that in the end just do not work. As a neophyte KP convert I

> hope and think this will be different.

>

> I suspect that for many seasoned KP astrologers, KP as written

> up in the 'Readers' is all that is needed; as like Yogesh they

> get the right answers nearly all the time. Having said this I

> recognize the frustrations some astrologers may have with not

> being able to explain their reason for coming to some

> determination because it is not normally used in KP. In my own

> case I have found to date only one method that is consistently

> correct for prognostication and that is Solar Eclipses. I have

> shown these on the List because I felt that they are not really

> outside the bounds of KP being simply transits - all though they

> are a special type of transit. I do however off list, double

> check using Solar Returns, Minor Progressions and divisionals

> for additional insights.

>

> My idea is that whilst recognizing the k-p-system as the parent

> we start a separate offspring List called k-psystem PLUS (or any

> other appropriate name.) In this List we could incorporate other

> ideas with KP. For instance I would post the Blind Charts to

> both Lists; anyone who wanted to respond with pristine KP would

> use 'k-p-system' and others who would like to incorporate other

> ideas would use the offspring List. This way the KP purist

> would not be bothered with sorting through masses of mails

> irrelevant to him, whilst others would have the opportunity to

> evaluate new ideas that might marry with KP.

>

> How do members feel about this? Any ideas or suggestions?

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0500, you wrote:

>

> >Dear tw,

> >

> >Thanks. I have one more simple question if I may.

> >

> >One of the attractions for me to KP is that in many respects, the " East

> >meets the West " , and therefore interesting concepts from both systems

> >are utilized. But I'm not fully clear on what KP accepts as legit - so a

> >few more questions.

> >

> >1. Are declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) ever considered in

> >KP?

> >

> >2. Progressions? (If so, Secondary and Tertiary, or just Secondary?)

> >Solar Returns?

> >

> >3. Does the consideration of Midpoints have any value in KP?

> >

> >(Ooops - that was 3 questions.Thanks.)

> >

> > All the Best,

> >

> > Sandy Crowther

> >

> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> >

> >tw853 [tw853]

> >Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:03 PM

> >

> > Re: Techniques: KP approved or not?

> >

> >Dear Sandy Crowther,

> >

> >According to my limited KP knowledge, my personal opinion is as

> >follows:

> >

> >1. First one is okay.

> >

> >2. Second one, not much familiar for me.

> >

> >3. Third one may not be much problem except that generally Asc alone

> >is applied in KP.

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> >wrote:

> >> Dear List Members,

> >>

> >> Before I get myself in trouble again (:-)) by discussing Vedic

> >> techniques that are NOT KP approved, I thought I'd ask a few

> >questions

> >> of the more seasoned KP practitioners on the list, to get your

> >opinions

> >> on just a few Vedic techniques and their applicability (or not) to

> >the

> >> system of KP.

> >>

> >> I know the following techniques I am inquiring about may not be the

> >> primary indicators/focus due to the KP strong emphasis on star and

> >> sub-lords, but what I would like to know is if the following

> >techniques

> >> are completely off limits (like the Divisionals are) for

> >delineation KP

> >> style - and therefore have no place in this KP forum - or if they

> >are

> >> acceptable and given due consideration in KP delineations?

> >>

> >> 1. Badhakas (troublemakers) and Badhaka Sthanas (trouble spots?)

> >> 2. Chara Karakas (temporary karakas based on priority of highest

> >> planetary degree), and if these are given KP consideration, is Rahu

> >> included in the Chara Karaka scheme (8 planets used), or just the

> >use of

> >> the 7 planet Chara Karakas scheme? What about Sthira Karakas (fixed

> >> significators to assist in timing the death of relatives?)

> >> 3. What about planets falling in Marana Karaka Sthana (indicators

> >> that houses owned by certain planets falling in certain placements

> >will

> >> suffer - like 12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, etc? If this is not a KP

> >> approved technique, has any research been done to date(that anyone

> >is

> >> aware of) to discredit or address when the sub for a planetary

> >> significator falls in Marana Karaka Sthana ?

> >>

> >> I can think of more techniques, but I'll stop my questions at

> >these. I'm

> >> just trying to discern " what's what " .:-) because I was blown away

> >at the

> >> non-usage of vargas, so this is a start.

> >>

> >> Important to me: I would also like to know if one or two of the

> >above

> >> techniques are acceptable in KP, and a third is not, (or vice-

> >versa), is

> >> it because research has been done indicating that the technique has

> >> already been researched and has no value in KP, or is it because no

> >one

> >> has previously mentioned the technique in their writings OR done any

> >> research on its applicability - therefore it is not (yet)

> >considered a

> >> viable possibility in KP delineation - so it may or may not be

> >> applicable? Just curious.Thanks.

> >>

> >> All the Best,

> >>

> >> Sandy Crowther

> >>

> >> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> >>

> >> <http://www.jupitersweb.com>

> >

December 9, 2004

Dear sirji,

I fully agree with Punit JI, This family is very good as compared to others with gr8 understanding between each other.

Thanks.

Regards,

VinayPunit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Ron,Bringing people on one platform is not easy task. It requires a lot ofhard work and support at various levels. Even if we create a newgroup, I am sure that there are not many who will join. I have seenthis hesitation in people in moving to another forum. Reason may bepeople don't want another bunch of mails. Also seeing the presentsize, I don't think that creating a new group will be a good idea.Normally I believe that any group with more than 1000 members shouldbe split in more groups but this group is not even close to that. Itis just my experience as I am moderating few more groups of differentsizes.It would be good to get opinion of other members. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:21:40 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:> > All

members,> > I think this List is excellent as it has a wealth of talented KP> astrologers, many who actually participate (unlike most Lists).> I am glad I found it because for over 35 years I have wasted more> time than I care to admit on checking out other peoples theories> that in the end just do not work. As a neophyte KP convert I> hope and think this will be different. > > I suspect that for many seasoned KP astrologers, KP as written> up in the 'Readers' is all that is needed; as like Yogesh they> get the right answers nearly all the time. Having said this I> recognize the frustrations some astrologers may have with not> being able to explain their reason for coming to some> determination because it is not normally used in KP. In my own> case I have found to date only one method that is consistently>

correct for prognostication and that is Solar Eclipses. I have> shown these on the List because I felt that they are not really> outside the bounds of KP being simply transits - all though they> are a special type of transit. I do however off list, double> check using Solar Returns, Minor Progressions and divisionals> for additional insights.> > My idea is that whilst recognizing the k-p-system as the parent> we start a separate offspring List called k-psystem PLUS (or any> other appropriate name.) In this List we could incorporate other> ideas with KP. For instance I would post the Blind Charts to> both Lists; anyone who wanted to respond with pristine KP would> use 'k-p-system' and others who would like to incorporate other> ideas would use the offspring List. This way the KP purist> would

not be bothered with sorting through masses of mails> irrelevant to him, whilst others would have the opportunity to> evaluate new ideas that might marry with KP. > > > How do members feel about this? Any ideas or suggestions?> > > Ron Gaunt> > > > > > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0500, you wrote:> > >Dear tw,> >> > > >> >Thanks. I have one more simple question if I may. > >> > > >> >One of the attractions for me to KP is that in many respects, the "East> >meets the West", and therefore interesting concepts from both systems> >are utilized. But I'm not fully clear on what KP accepts as legit - so a> >few more questions.> >> > > >> >1. Are declinations (parallels and

contra-parallels) ever considered in> >KP? > >> >2. Progressions? (If so, Secondary and Tertiary, or just Secondary?)> >Solar Returns?> >> >3. Does the consideration of Midpoints have any value in KP?> >> > > >> >(Ooops - that was 3 questions.Thanks.)> >> > > >> > > >> > All the Best,> >> > Sandy Crowther> >> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>

>> >tw853 [tw853] > >Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:03 PM> > > > Re: Techniques: KP approved or not?> >> > > >> >> >Dear Sandy Crowther,> >> >According to my limited KP knowledge, my personal opinion is as > >follows:> >> >1. First one is okay.> >> >2. Second one, not much familiar for me.> >> >3. Third one may not be much problem except that generally Asc alone > >is applied in KP.> >> >Best regards,> >> >tw> >> > > > , "Sandy Crowther" <sandy@t...> > >wrote:> >> Dear List Members,> >> > >> > >> >

>> Before I get myself in trouble again (:-)) by discussing Vedic> >> techniques that are NOT KP approved, I thought I'd ask a few > >questions> >> of the more seasoned KP practitioners on the list, to get your > >opinions> >> on just a few Vedic techniques and their applicability (or not) to > >the> >> system of KP. > >> > >> > >> > >> I know the following techniques I am inquiring about may not be the> >> primary indicators/focus due to the KP strong emphasis on star and> >> sub-lords, but what I would like to know is if the following > >techniques> >> are completely off limits (like the Divisionals are) for > >delineation KP> >> style - and therefore have no place in this KP forum - or if they > >are> >> acceptable and given due consideration

in KP delineations? > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. Badhakas (troublemakers) and Badhaka Sthanas (trouble spots?)> >> 2. Chara Karakas (temporary karakas based on priority of highest> >> planetary degree), and if these are given KP consideration, is Rahu> >> included in the Chara Karaka scheme (8 planets used), or just the > >use of> >> the 7 planet Chara Karakas scheme? What about Sthira Karakas (fixed> >> significators to assist in timing the death of relatives?)> >> 3. What about planets falling in Marana Karaka Sthana (indicators> >> that houses owned by certain planets falling in certain placements > >will> >> suffer - like 12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, etc? If this is not a KP> >> approved technique, has any

research been done to date(that anyone > >is> >> aware of) to discredit or address when the sub for a planetary> >> significator falls in Marana Karaka Sthana ?> >> > >> > >> > >> I can think of more techniques, but I'll stop my questions at > >these. I'm> >> just trying to discern "what's what".:-) because I was blown away > >at the> >> non-usage of vargas, so this is a start.> >> > >> > >> > >> Important to me: I would also like to know if one or two of the > >above> >> techniques are acceptable in KP, and a third is not, (or vice-> >versa), is> >> it because research has been done indicating that the technique has> >> already been researched and has no value in KP, or is it because no > >one> >> has

previously mentioned the technique in their writings OR done any> >> research on its applicability - therefore it is not (yet) > >considered a> >> viable possibility in KP delineation - so it may or may not be> >> applicable? Just curious.Thanks.> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> All the Best,> >> > >> Sandy Crowther> >> > >> http://www.jupitersweb.com > >> > >> <http://www.jupitersweb.com>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

December 9, 2004

Dear Ron Gaunt,

I fully agree with Punit Pandey and Vinay Tiwari. Our Group is too

small to split into two.

Best regards,

tw

, Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit>

wrote:

> Dear sirji,

>

> I fully agree with Punit JI, This family is very good as

compared to others with gr8 understanding between each other.

>

> Thanks.

> Regards,

> Vinay

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> Ron,

>

> Bringing people on one platform is not easy task. It requires a lot

of

> hard work and support at various levels. Even if we create a new

> group, I am sure that there are not many who will join. I have seen

> this hesitation in people in moving to another forum. Reason may be

> people don't want another bunch of mails. Also seeing the present

> size, I don't think that creating a new group will be a good idea.

> Normally I believe that any group with more than 1000 members should

> be split in more groups but this group is not even close to that. It

> is just my experience as I am moderating few more groups of

different

> sizes.

>

> It would be good to get opinion of other members.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:21:40 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >

> > All members,

> >

> > I think this List is excellent as it has a wealth of talented KP

> > astrologers, many who actually participate (unlike most Lists).

> > I am glad I found it because for over 35 years I have wasted more

> > time than I care to admit on checking out other peoples theories

> > that in the end just do not work. As a neophyte KP convert I

> > hope and think this will be different.

> >

> > I suspect that for many seasoned KP astrologers, KP as written

> > up in the 'Readers' is all that is needed; as like Yogesh they

> > get the right answers nearly all the time. Having said this I

> > recognize the frustrations some astrologers may have with not

> > being able to explain their reason for coming to some

> > determination because it is not normally used in KP. In my own

> > case I have found to date only one method that is consistently

> > correct for prognostication and that is Solar Eclipses. I have

> > shown these on the List because I felt that they are not really

> > outside the bounds of KP being simply transits - all though they

> > are a special type of transit. I do however off list, double

> > check using Solar Returns, Minor Progressions and divisionals

> > for additional insights.

> >

> > My idea is that whilst recognizing the k-p-system as the parent

> > we start a separate offspring List called k-psystem PLUS (or any

> > other appropriate name.) In this List we could incorporate other

> > ideas with KP. For instance I would post the Blind Charts to

> > both Lists; anyone who wanted to respond with pristine KP would

> > use 'k-p-system' and others who would like to incorporate other

> > ideas would use the offspring List. This way the KP purist

> > would not be bothered with sorting through masses of mails

> > irrelevant to him, whilst others would have the opportunity to

> > evaluate new ideas that might marry with KP.

> >

> > How do members feel about this? Any ideas or suggestions?

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

> >

> > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0500, you wrote:

> >

> > >Dear tw,

> > >

> > >Thanks. I have one more simple question if I may.

> > >

> > >One of the attractions for me to KP is that in many respects,

the " East

> > >meets the West " , and therefore interesting concepts from both

systems

> > >are utilized. But I'm not fully clear on what KP accepts as

legit - so a

> > >few more questions.

> > >

> > >1. Are declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) ever

considered in

> > >KP?

> > >

> > >2. Progressions? (If so, Secondary and Tertiary, or just

Secondary?)

> > >Solar Returns?

> > >

> > >3. Does the consideration of Midpoints have any value in KP?

> > >

> > >(Ooops - that was 3 questions.Thanks.)

> > >

> > > All the Best,

> > >

> > > Sandy Crowther

> > >

> > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > >

> > >tw853 [tw853]

> > >Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:03 PM

> > >

> > > Re: Techniques: KP approved or not?

> > >

> > >Dear Sandy Crowther,

> > >

> > >According to my limited KP knowledge, my personal opinion is as

> > >follows:

> > >

> > >1. First one is okay.

> > >

> > >2. Second one, not much familiar for me.

> > >

> > >3. Third one may not be much problem except that generally Asc

alone

> > >is applied in KP.

> > >

> > >Best regards,

> > >

> > >tw

> > >

> > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> > >wrote:

> > >> Dear List Members,

> > >>

> > >> Before I get myself in trouble again (:-)) by discussing Vedic

> > >> techniques that are NOT KP approved, I thought I'd ask a few

> > >questions

> > >> of the more seasoned KP practitioners on the list, to get your

> > >opinions

> > >> on just a few Vedic techniques and their applicability (or

not) to

> > >the

> > >> system of KP.

> > >>

> > >> I know the following techniques I am inquiring about may not

be the

> > >> primary indicators/focus due to the KP strong emphasis on star

and

> > >> sub-lords, but what I would like to know is if the following

> > >techniques

> > >> are completely off limits (like the Divisionals are) for

> > >delineation KP

> > >> style - and therefore have no place in this KP forum - or if

they

> > >are

> > >> acceptable and given due consideration in KP delineations?

> > >>

> > >> 1. Badhakas (troublemakers) and Badhaka Sthanas (trouble

spots?)

> > >> 2. Chara Karakas (temporary karakas based on priority of

highest

> > >> planetary degree), and if these are given KP consideration, is

Rahu

> > >> included in the Chara Karaka scheme (8 planets used), or just

the

> > >use of

> > >> the 7 planet Chara Karakas scheme? What about Sthira Karakas

(fixed

> > >> significators to assist in timing the death of relatives?)

> > >> 3. What about planets falling in Marana Karaka Sthana

(indicators

> > >> that houses owned by certain planets falling in certain

placements

> > >will

> > >> suffer - like 12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, etc? If this is not

a KP

> > >> approved technique, has any research been done to date(that

anyone

> > >is

> > >> aware of) to discredit or address when the sub for a planetary

> > >> significator falls in Marana Karaka Sthana ?

> > >>

> > >> I can think of more techniques, but I'll stop my questions at

> > >these. I'm

> > >> just trying to discern " what's what " .:-) because I was blown

away

> > >at the

> > >> non-usage of vargas, so this is a start.

> > >>

> > >> Important to me: I would also like to know if one or two of

the

> > >above

> > >> techniques are acceptable in KP, and a third is not, (or vice-

> > >versa), is

> > >> it because research has been done indicating that the

technique has

> > >> already been researched and has no value in KP, or is it

because no

> > >one

> > >> has previously mentioned the technique in their writings OR

done any

> > >> research on its applicability - therefore it is not (yet)

> > >considered a

> > >> viable possibility in KP delineation - so it may or may not be

> > >> applicable? Just curious.Thanks.

> > >>

> > >> All the Best,

> > >>

> > >> Sandy Crowther

> > >>

> > >> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > >>

> > >> <http://www.jupitersweb.com>

> > >

December 9, 2004

Dear ron ji

Our KP Family is like Indian Jointfamily. we want to remain jointly. there is no question about total number of members.

kanak bosmia

>"tw853" <tw853

>

> Re: AN IDEA - (was Techniques: KP approved or not?)

>Thu, 09 Dec 2004 04:51:12 -0000

>

>Dear Ron Gaunt,

>

>I fully agree with Punit Pandey and Vinay Tiwari. Our Group is too

>small to split into two.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit>

>wrote:

> > Dear sirji,

> >

> > I fully agree with Punit JI, This family is very good as

>compared to others with gr8 understanding between each other.

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Regards,

> > Vinay

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:

> > Ron,

> >

> > Bringing people on one platform is not easy task. It requires a lot

>of

> > hard work and support at various levels. Even if we create a new

> > group, I am sure that there are not many who will join. I have seen

> > this hesitation in people in moving to another forum. Reason may be

> > people don't want another bunch of mails. Also seeing the present

> > size, I don't think that creating a new group will be a good idea.

> > Normally I believe that any group with more than 1000 members should

> > be split in more groups but this group is not even close to that. It

> > is just my experience as I am moderating few more groups of

>different

> > sizes.

> >

> > It would be good to get opinion of other members.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 01:21:40 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > >

> > > All members,

> > >

> > > I think this List is excellent as it has a wealth of talented KP

> > > astrologers, many who actually participate (unlike most Lists).

> > > I am glad I found it because for over 35 years I have wasted more

> > > time than I care to admit on checking out other peoples theories

> > > that in the end just do not work. As a neophyte KP convert I

> > > hope and think this will be different.

> > >

> > > I suspect that for many seasoned KP astrologers, KP as written

> > > up in the 'Readers' is all that is needed; as like Yogesh they

> > > get the right answers nearly all the time. Having said this I

> > > recognize the frustrations some astrologers may have with not

> > > being able to explain their reason for coming to some

> > > determination because it is not normally used in KP. In my own

> > > case I have found to date only one method that is consistently

> > > correct for prognostication and that is Solar Eclipses. I have

> > > shown these on the List because I felt that they are not really

> > > outside the bounds of KP being simply transits - all though they

> > > are a special type of transit. I do however off list, double

> > > check using Solar Returns, Minor Progressions and divisionals

> > > for additional insights.

> > >

> > > My idea is that whilst recognizing the k-p-system as the parent

> > > we start a separate offspring List called k-psystem PLUS (or any

> > > other appropriate name.) In this List we could incorporate other

> > > ideas with KP. For instance I would post the Blind Charts to

> > > both Lists; anyone who wanted to respond with pristine KP would

> > > use 'k-p-system' and others who would like to incorporate other

> > > ideas would use the offspring List. This way the KP purist

> > > would not be bothered with sorting through masses of mails

> > > irrelevant to him, whilst others would have the opportunity to

> > > evaluate new ideas that might marry with KP.

> > >

> > > How do members feel about this? Any ideas or suggestions?

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> > >

> > > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 08:22:13 -0500, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >Dear tw,

> > > >

> > > >Thanks. I have one more simple question if I may.

> > > >

> > > >One of the attractions for me to KP is that in many respects,

>the "East

> > > >meets the West", and therefore interesting concepts from both

>systems

> > > >are utilized. But I'm not fully clear on what KP accepts as

>legit - so a

> > > >few more questions.

> > > >

> > > >1. Are declinations (parallels and contra-parallels) ever

>considered in

> > > >KP?

> > > >

> > > >2. Progressions? (If so, Secondary and Tertiary, or just

>Secondary?)

> > > >Solar Returns?

> > > >

> > > >3. Does the consideration of Midpoints have any value in KP?

> > > >

> > > >(Ooops - that was 3 questions.Thanks.)

> > > >

> > > > All the Best,

> > > >

> > > > Sandy Crowther

> > > >

> > > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > >

> > > >tw853 [tw853]

> > > >Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:03 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Techniques: KP approved or not?

> > > >

> > > >Dear Sandy Crowther,

> > > >

> > > >According to my limited KP knowledge, my personal opinion is as

> > > >follows:

> > > >

> > > >1. First one is okay.

> > > >

> > > >2. Second one, not much familiar for me.

> > > >

> > > >3. Third one may not be much problem except that generally Asc

>alone

> > > >is applied in KP.

> > > >

> > > >Best regards,

> > > >

> > > >tw

> > > >

> > > > , "Sandy Crowther" <sandy@t...>

> > > >wrote:

> > > >> Dear List Members,

> > > >>

> > > >> Before I get myself in trouble again (:-)) by discussing Vedic

> > > >> techniques that are NOT KP approved, I thought I'd ask a few

> > > >questions

> > > >> of the more seasoned KP practitioners on the list, to get your

> > > >opinions

> > > >> on just a few Vedic techniques and their applicability (or

>not) to

> > > >the

> > > >> system of KP.

> > > >>

> > > >> I know the following techniques I am inquiring about may not

>be the

> > > >> primary indicators/focus due to the KP strong emphasis on star

>and

> > > >> sub-lords, but what I would like to know is if the following

> > > >techniques

> > > >> are completely off limits (like the Divisionals are) for

> > > >delineation KP

> > > >> style - and therefore have no place in this KP forum - or if

>they

> > > >are

> > > >> acceptable and given due consideration in KP delineations?

> > > >>

> > > >> 1. Badhakas (troublemakers) and Badhaka Sthanas (trouble

>spots?)

> > > >> 2. Chara Karakas (temporary karakas based on priority of

>highest

> > > >> planetary degree), and if these are given KP consideration, is

>Rahu

> > > >> included in the Chara Karaka scheme (8 planets used), or just

>the

> > > >use of

> > > >> the 7 planet Chara Karakas scheme? What about Sthira Karakas

>(fixed

> > > >> significators to assist in timing the death of relatives?)

> > > >> 3. What about planets falling in Marana Karaka Sthana

>(indicators

> > > >> that houses owned by certain planets falling in certain

>placements

> > > >will

> > > >> suffer - like 12th for Sun, 8th for Moon, etc? If this is not

>a KP

> > > >> approved technique, has any research been done to date(that

>anyone

> > > >is

> > > >> aware of) to discredit or address when the sub for a planetary

> > > >> significator falls in Marana Karaka Sthana ?

> > > >>

> > > >> I can think of more techniques, but I'll stop my questions at

> > > >these. I'm

> > > >> just trying to discern "what's what".:-) because I was blown

>away

> > > >at the

> > > >> non-usage of vargas, so this is a start.

> > > >>

> > > >> Important to me: I would also like to know if one or two of

>the

> > > >above

> > > >> techniques are acceptable in KP, and a third is not, (or vice-

> > > >versa), is

> > > >> it because research has been done indicating that the

>technique has

> > > >> already been researched and has no value in KP, or is it

>because no

> > > >one

> > > >> has previously mentioned the technique in their writings OR

>done any

> > > >> research on its applicability - therefore it is not (yet)

> > > >considered a

> > > >> viable possibility in KP delineation - so it may or may not be

> > > >> applicable? Just curious.Thanks.

> > > >>

> > > >> All the Best,

> > > >>

> > > >> Sandy Crowther

> > > >>

> > > >> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> > > >>

> > > >> <http://www.jupitersweb.com>

> > > >

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