RECTIFICATION OF TIME OF BIRTH / Shri Ron and Raichur ji

[Guest guest]

i am waing for you coment on bin laden's birthtime rectification.

 

regards

 

kanak bosmia

 

 

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> Kanak,

>

> Would you mind giving us an example so that we can follow it more

> closely. Thanks

>

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> >Dear Ravindra

>

> > i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer

Book " SECRETS OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe

KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road, Chhennai 600 002 "

>

> >according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.(

ksk himself wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i

dont remember no: and Page No.)

>

> >frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet

asc for that time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

>

> >i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal

view .

>

> >kanak bosmia

[Guest guest]

Kanak,

 

I have been very busy so have not yet had time to go through your

mail, which looks very interesting. I hope to have time within

the next couple of days.

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:22:43 +0000, you wrote:

 

>

>

>

>i am waing for you coment on bin laden's birthtime rectification.

>

>regards

>

>kanak bosmia

>

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>> Kanak,

>>

>> Would you mind giving us an example so that we can follow it more

>> closely. Thanks

>>

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>> >Dear Ravindra

>>

>> > i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer

>Book " SECRETS OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe

>KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road, Chhennai 600 002 "

>>

>> >according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.(

>ksk himself wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i

>dont remember no: and Page No.)

>>

>> >frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet

>asc for that time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

>>

>> >i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal

>view .

>>

>> >kanak bosmia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kanak,

 

Thanks for introducing us to a method of rectification that is

interesting and unique.

 

Going through the Astrodatabank file it appears that there is a

spread of over four years of suggested birthdates. I would

consider that it would be almost impossible to rectify by

standard rectification techniques with the lack of verifiable

data. It is interesting to see that KP has an approach to solve

this problem.

 

One thing that stand out for me is the Jamal Ismail interview in

1998 where Bin Laden says that he was born in the Muslim year of

1377. He also says he was born '45 years ago'. Now there is

something wrong here because 45 years ago does not match 1377

(which is Gregorian 1957) By Western reckoning it would be

1953. If bin Laden was talking in Lunar years which is likely,

this would then come to 1955. This is still not correct. So

what gives? Thinking about my own reaction to similar

questions I would unhesitatingly say that I was born in 1936 ( I

have written it down hundreds of times), but if someone asks me

how old I am I have to think about it. ie. what I am suggesting

is that the quote on his Muslim birth year of 1377 is more likely

to be correct.

 

The start of the Muslim year 1377 was Gregorian 29th July 1957

and it finished on 17th July 1958. So either he was born

between this period or he had his birth year wrong.

 

I am also struck by the fact that Zip Dobyns had data for bin

Laden from his hospital records. This is quoted as 10th March

1957 in Jeddah at 10:58am EET. This is very specific and is

normally a good indication of an accurate time of birth.

However, if it is as stated, it means that bin Laden is wrong

about his birth year by nearly six months.

There is however, a possible answer to this problem which has

been canvassed in th ADB report, and that is that the date may

have been read incorrectly. If the date had been written in

numerals ie 10/3/???? it could have been the 10th month 3rd day.

We don't know whether there was a transcription from Islamic year

to Gregorian but it was quoted as 1957. Either way this would

place the birth year in 1377 as stated by bin Laden.

 

So I personally would concentrate on 3rd to 5th Oct 1957 or

March 10th 1957 with preference to the former. The reason for

the spread 3-5th Oct 1957 is because if the hospital entry was

written up with the Islamic date ie 3/10/1377 or 10/3/1377

( I don't know which order they use) using three conversion

calendars I get two quoting 5th Oct 1957 and one for 4th Oct

1957, with a possible error of one day due to sighting of the

crescent Moon.

 

Kanak I note that in your write up you have discarded 10th March

1957 because Jupiter's sub Saturn is not part of the Asc RPs.

Looking at a similar case in 'Secrets of R.P & the Birth Time'

Example 16 on page 89 the author uses a different technique; he

contrasts the Asc RPs with the dasas at birth. For birth on the

10th March 1957 the dasas are Mars Venus Venus Saturn.

A relationship would be established through Venus being in Rahu

star and Venus sub. Looking at it this way suggests 10th March

needs more investigation.

 

I haven't pursued this any further because the RPs are the result

of your question, and I should really broach the question myself

to try my own rectification.

 

All the best

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:22:43 +0000, you wrote:

 

>

>

>

>i am waing for you coment on bin laden's birthtime rectification.

>

>regards

>

>kanak bosmia

>

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>> Kanak,

>>

>> Would you mind giving us an example so that we can follow it more

>> closely. Thanks

>>

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>> >Dear Ravindra

>>

>> > i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer

>Book " SECRETS OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe

>KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road, Chhennai 600 002 "

>>

>> >according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.(

>ksk himself wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i

>dont remember no: and Page No.)

>>

>> >frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet

>asc for that time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

>>

>> >i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal

>view .

>>

>> >kanak bosmia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron,

My Coment in Red

 

>rongaunt <rongaunt

>

>

>Re: Re: RECTIFICATION OF TIME OF BIRTH / Shri Ron and Raichur ji

>Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:33:12 +1000

>

>

>Kanak,

>

>Thanks for introducing us to a method of rectification that is

>interesting and unique.

>

>Going through the Astrodatabank file it appears that there is a

>spread of over four years of suggested birthdates. I would

>consider that it would be almost impossible to rectify by

>standard rectification techniques with the lack of verifiable

>data. It is interesting to see that KP has an approach to solve

>this problem.

>

>One thing that stand out for me is the Jamal Ismail interview in

>1998 where Bin Laden says that he was born in the Muslim year of

>1377. He also says he was born '45 years ago'. Now there is

>something wrong here because 45 years ago does not match 1377

>(which is Gregorian 1957) By Western reckoning it would be

>1953. If bin Laden was talking in Lunar years which is likely,

>this would then come to 1955. This is still not correct. So

>what gives? Thinking about my own reaction to similar

>questions I would unhesitatingly say that I was born in 1936 ( I

>have written it down hundreds of times), but if someone asks me

>how old I am I have to think about it. ie. what I am suggesting

>is that the quote on his Muslim birth year of 1377 is more likely

>to be correct.

>

>The start of the Muslim year 1377 was Gregorian 29th July 1957

>and it finished on 17th July 1958. So either he was born

 

>between this period or he had his birth year wrong.

>

>I am also struck by the fact that Zip Dobyns had data for bin

>Laden from his hospital records. This is quoted as 10th March

>1957 in Jeddah at 10:58am EET. This is very specific and is

>normally a good indication of an accurate time of birth.

>However, if it is as stated, it means that bin Laden is wrong

>about his birth year by nearly six months.

>There is however, a possible answer to this problem which has

>been canvassed in th ADB report, and that is that the date may

>have been read incorrectly. If the date had been written in

>numerals ie 10/3/???? it could have been the 10th month 3rd day.

>We don't know whether there was a transcription from Islamic year

>to Gregorian but it was quoted as 1957. Either way this would

 

>place the birth year in 1377 as stated by bin Laden.

"As far as the other dates, I've personally seen people convert dates incorrectly from one calendar to another. For example, I used to work for a Korean-born man (whose family moved to America when he was a child) who celebrates his birthday as February 14, 1958, although he told me that he actually has two birthdays. When I asked him what he meant, he said he'd been told that he was born on the 14th day of the 2nd month of the Year of the Dog. The Year of the Dog began in 1958, so he had arbitrarily decided to celebrate his birthday on February (2nd month) 14 (14th day), 1958 (Year of the Dog)-- even though a correct conversion would put his birthday on about April 2, 1958 (depending on what time the day begins in Korea, as well as time zone considerations). The Year of the Dog didn't even begin until February 18, 1958-- four days after the day he celebrates as his birthday! It might be possible that Bin Laden's birthday-- if it's even known-- was incorrectly converted in such a fashion (e.g., the 10th day of the 3rd month)."I would also point out the uncertainty surrounding Dodi's birthday (remember Diana and Dodi?), as his birthday had been given as April 15, but it was stated by several people that it's a fairly common practice in the Middle East to use the 15th of the month as the birthday, due to the fact that they don't always note the actual day of birth, just the month and year of birth. Even though none of the dates given for Bin Laden fall on the 15th of a month in the Gregorian calendar, we should beware of the possibility of a similar practice of using some arbitrary day of the Islamic month of birth."Then there is the possibility that, some years ago, someone in an intelligence agency may have heard that Bin Laden had just celebrated his birthday (if he even celebrates his birthday) on some day of the year, such as March 10. They may have then taken that date and used it with his year of birth, which seems to have been 1957 (or perhaps 1958). If this sort of thing did happen, it would be wrong, as a particular date (month and day) in the Islamic year does not fall on the same date each year in the Gregorian calendar. For example, if it had been learned that Bin-Laden had celebrated his 30th birthday on March 10, 1987, it would be incorrect to conclude that he was therefore born on March 10, 1957. It just doesn't work that way."Also, when Prince Dipendra murdered his family and shot himself, I saw some web pages which gave his birthday incorrectly, and they cited CIA sources! This makes me wonder if the "field information" gathered by intelligence agencies can be trusted, especially when it comes to people's birthdays."Additionally, there is always the chance that a Gregorian date written in numeric format might be misread, such as 3-10-1957 being variously read as either March 10, 1957 or 3 October, 1957."In light of these facts and considerations, I would be extremely cautious about accepting *any* date of birth for Bin Laden without a grain of salt the size of Jupiter."#Jayj Jacobs reports that "Bin Laden, Al-Jazeera - and I'' by Jamal Abdul Latif Ismail, includes an interview in whichBin Laden says he was born 45 years ago, in the Muslim year of 1377, in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. The family later moved between the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina and the port city of Jiddah. (Four months after Aug 1998 is December. 1998 minus 45 is 1953.)#David G. Baker deduces January 3, 1955, 8:50:03 AM.#Robert Currey writes 12/2001, "Justin Toper telephoned to say his contact confirms UBL was born in July 1957 though he has no more details. So I am sorry not to be able to provide at this stage. As I have mentioned his source [who Justin wants to remain confidential] is a journalist in the Middle East who has kept a file on UBL from birth and though the journalist has access to 'official records' not open to the public, he says that the record of the day of birth was not kept.""As far as the other dates, I've personally seen people convert dates incorrectly from one calendar to another. For example, I used to work for a Korean-born man (whose family moved to America when he was a child) who celebrates his birthday as February 14, 1958, although he told me that he actually has two birthdays. When I asked him what he meant, he said he'd been told that he was born on the 14th day of the 2nd month of the Year of the Dog. The Year of the Dog began in 1958, so he had arbitrarily decided to celebrate his birthday on February (2nd month) 14 (14th day), 1958 (Year of the Dog)-- even though a correct conversion would put his birthday on about April 2, 1958 (depending on what time the day begins in Korea, as well as time zone considerations). The Year of the Dog didn't even begin until February 18, 1958-- four days after the day he celebrates as his birthday! It might be possible that Bin Laden's birthday-- if it's even known-- was incorrectly converted in such a fashion (e.g., the 10th day of the 3rd month)."I would also point out the uncertainty surrounding Dodi's birthday (remember Diana and Dodi?), as his birthday had been given as April 15, but it was stated by several people that it's a fairly common practice in the Middle East to use the 15th of the month as the birthday, due to the fact that they don't always note the actual day of birth, just the month and year of birth. Even though none of the dates given for Bin Laden fall on the 15th of a month in the Gregorian calendar, we should beware of the possibility of a similar practice of using some arbitrary day of the Islamic month of birth."Then there is the possibility that, some years ago, someone in an intelligence agency may have heard that Bin Laden had just celebrated his birthday (if he even celebrates his birthday) on some day of the year, such as March 10. They may have then taken that date and used it with his year of birth, which seems to have been 1957 (or perhaps 1958). If this sort of thing did happen, it would be wrong, as a particular date (month and day) in the Islamic year does not fall on the same date each year in the Gregorian calendar. For example, if it had been learned that Bin-Laden had celebrated his 30th birthday on March 10, 1987, it would be incorrect to conclude that he was therefore born on March 10, 1957. It just doesn't work that way."Also, when Prince Dipendra murdered his family and shot himself, I saw some web pages which gave his birthday incorrectly, and they cited CIA sources! This makes me wonder if the "field information" gathered by intelligence agencies can be trusted, especially when it comes to people's birthdays."Additionally, there is always the chance that a Gregorian date written in numeric format might be misread, such as 3-10-1957 being variously read as either March 10, 1957 or 3 October, 1957."In light of these facts and considerations, I would be extremely cautious about accepting *any* date of birth for Bin Laden without a grain of salt the size of Jupiter."#Jayj Jacobs reports that "Bin Laden, Al-Jazeera - and I'' by Jamal Abdul Latif Ismail, includes an interview in whichBin Laden says he was born 45 years ago, in the Muslim year of 1377, in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. The family later moved between the two holy cities of Mecca and Medina and the port city of Jiddah. (Four months after Aug 1998 is December. 1998 minus 45 is 1953.)#David G. Baker deduces January 3, 1955, 8:50:03 AM.#Robert Currey writes 12/2001, "Justin Toper telephoned to say his contact confirms UBL was born in July 1957 though he has no more details. So I am sorry not to be able to provide at this stage. As I have mentioned his source [who Justin wants to remain confidential] is a journalist in the Middle East who has kept a file on UBL from birth and though the journalist has access to 'official records' not open to the public, he says that the record of the day of birth was not kept."

>

>So I personally would concentrate on 3rd to 5th Oct 1957 or

>March 10th 1957 with preference to the former. The reason for

>the spread 3-5th Oct 1957 is because if the hospital entry was

>written up with the Islamic date ie 3/10/1377 or 10/3/1377

>( I don't know which order they use) using three conversion

>calendars I get two quoting 5th Oct 1957 and one for 4th Oct

>1957, with a possible error of one day due to sighting of the

>crescent Moon.

 

>

B'coz in book problem is for Year only not for date and month. we have three date,month and year so . check Page no: 86 . pls note that in this book so many mathemetical erros are there( page no: 68 )

" Thiruvonam star will end only when MON crosses 293 D 20 Min in MAKARAM sign.That means, Moon has to cross further 1Deg and 32 Min in MAKARAM. from its initial position of 290 D 48 Min at 0530Hrs. on 23.04.1957 With the use of the same book "TABLES FOR ASTROLOGERS" P.N. 47 Col.7 row No.2, for a transit period of 11 Deg 23 Min , We will find that, it would be 3 hrs. 5 minutes and 48 seconds for crossing the said 1 Degree and 32 Min of Thiruvonam. So.............. "

 

Now question is if we diduct 293.20 - 290.48 = 2 Deg. 32 Min not 1 Deg. 32 Min So defferance of 1 deg is 2hrs. 01 min 11 sec. i think it is not smoll we trying to find time correcton for 1- to 3 nim for proper pridiction but hear deff. is about 2 hrs.

that means the calculation done is totaly wrong and meaning less.

 

what i have to say is dont go blindly on book. i am rectified birth time on principls given in book but i work as my heart say.

 

mathemetics is my fevourite subject and i never read books like story book. i am check all the calculation given in books.

 

>Kanak I note that in your write up you have discarded 10th March

>1957 because Jupiter's sub Saturn is not part of the Asc RPs.

>Looking at a similar case in 'Secrets of R.P & the Birth Time'

>Example 16 on page 89 the author uses a different technique; he

>contrasts the Asc RPs with the dasas at birth. For birth on the

>10th March 1957 the dasas are Mars Venus Venus Saturn.

>A relationship would be established through Venus being in Rahu

>star and Venus sub. Looking at it this way suggests 10th March

 

>needs more investigation.

I follow only " sublord is boss" . so i discard sat.

>

>I haven't pursued this any further because the RPs are the result

>of your question, and I should really broach the question myself

>to try my own rectification.

>

>All the best

>

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>

>

>

>

>

>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:22:43 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >i am waing for you coment on bin laden's birthtime rectification.

> >

> >regards

> >

> >kanak bosmia

> >

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Kanak,

> >>

> >> Would you mind giving us an example so that we can follow it more

> >> closely. Thanks

> >>

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >> >Dear Ravindra

> >>

> >> > i dont think it is right method to check birth timeV pls refer

> >Book " SECRETS OF R.P. & THE BIRTH TIME By: K.Baskaran Publishe

> >KRISHMAN & CO 804 Mount Road, Chhennai 600 002 "

> >>

> >> >according to him RP MOON = Bith Asc. and RP Asc. = Birth Moon.(

> >ksk himself wrote in any one reader about RP Moon = Birth Asc. but i

> >dont remember no: and Page No.)

> >>

> >> >frist you go up to birth Mon Sub-Sub-Sub level . and calcutet

> >asc for that time you can found Bith asc as RP MOON most of case.

> >>

> >> >i found very accuret result by this method. and it is my personal

> >view .

> >>

> >> >kanak bosmia

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >