Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Respected gurus and friends, I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, 1) Which houses should be considered? 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how Please i need guidence regarding same. Thanks In advance, Regards, Vinay Tiwari Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Vinay, You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit wrote: Respected gurus and friends, I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, 1) Which houses should be considered? 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how Please i need guidence regarding same. Thanks In advance, Regards, Vinay Tiwari Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Vinay Tiwari, It's worthy to note: 1. to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, KP Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in general); 2. as mentioned before, both houses 5 & 11 are taken in judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male and female, for male p 224, p. 227, and for female p 230, KP Reader IV; 3. not to be confused, just to let you know how importance is given to 5th (house of progeny and pleasure of persuits etc, Punarphoo, p. 113). Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Vinay, > You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. > But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > Respected gurus and friends, > > I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, > 1) Which houses should be considered? > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > Thanks In advance, > > Regards, > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Vinay This is a really serious issue. It is right to consider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd child. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also the consideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and foregone, the answer will be the same. So it would be as good as stating, that One you are promised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it denotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Vinay, You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit wrote: Respected gurus and friends, I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, 1) Which houses should be considered? 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how Please i need guidence regarding same. Thanks In advance, Regards, Vinay Tiwari Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Mr.Raichur, The VIIth cusp,can,like any other cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon the astrologer to select the appropriate significations,for the particular query/judgement,don't you think so ? For example the Vth can denote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so on,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered at the TOJ... Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second child,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the first-born,seems to me to be correct... With highest regards, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Vinay This is a really serious issue. It is right to consider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd child. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also the consideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and foregone, the answer will be the same. So it would be as good as stating, that One you are promised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it denotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Vinay, You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit wrote: Respected gurus and friends, I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, 1) Which houses should be considered? 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how Please i need guidence regarding same. Thanks In advance, Regards, Vinay Tiwari Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Meet the all-new My – Try it today! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, KP Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in general) " Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Mr.Raichur, > The VIIth cusp,can,like any other cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon the astrologer to select the appropriate significations,for the particular query/judgement,don't you think so ? > For example the Vth can denote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so on,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered at the TOJ... > Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second child,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the first-born,seems to me to be correct... > With highest regards, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Vinay > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to consider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd child. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also the consideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and foregone, the answer will be the same. > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are promised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it denotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Vinay, > You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. > But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > Respected gurus and friends, > > I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, > 1) Which houses should be considered? > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > Thanks In advance, > > Regards, > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. > > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, My opinion is :- 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then birth of 2'nd child is promised. I have two questions:- How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good income!) - Regards Sourav. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, KP Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in general) " Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Mr.Raichur, > The VIIth cusp,can,like any other cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon the astrologer to select the appropriate significations,for the particular query/judgement,don't you think so ? > For example the Vth can denote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so on,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered at the TOJ... > Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second child,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the first-born,seems to me to be correct... > With highest regards, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Dear Vinay > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to consider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd child. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also the consideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and foregone, the answer will be the same. > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are promised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it denotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Vinay, > You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. > But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > Respected gurus and friends, > > I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, > 1) Which houses should be considered? > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > Thanks In advance, > > Regards, > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. > > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay > anant_1608 > raichuranant > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > tel: 022-2506 2609 > --------- > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Sourav Guchhait, 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader IV) 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > My opinion is :- > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > I have two questions:- > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > income!) > > - Regards > Sourav. > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, > KP > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > general) " > > Best regards, > > tw > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > The VIIth cusp,can,like any > other cusp, > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > astrologer to > select the appropriate significations,for the > particular > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > For example the Vth can > denote a lover,a > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so > on,depending > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered > at the TOJ... > > Therefore,in my humble > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > child,based on the > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > first-born,seems to me > to be correct... > > With highest regards, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK > ! > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > Dear Vinay > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > consider 7th Cusp, > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > child. But as you > correctly raised the question, this is also the > consideration for > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > foregone, the > answer will be the same. > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are > promised > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it > denotes child > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > the 1st Born? Is > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > You are very correct,for the second > child it is > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > analysed...as per > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > issue of whether > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > analysed...etc. > > But for the second child I do not > think there is > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > consideration... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > birth of his second > child. > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > queries, > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > is 3rd from 5th . > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child > is there in > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > > > > India Matrimony: Find your life partner > online. > > > > > > > > --------- > > A.R.Raichur bombay > > anant_1608 > > raichuranant > > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY > > tel: 022-2506 2609 > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd births etc. Does anyone have birth details of say four or more children to the same mother. We could then check what appears to work best. Ron Gaunt On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Sourav Guchhait, > >1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in >judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male >and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader >IV) > >2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242. > >Best regards, > >tw > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> >wrote: >> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, >> >> My opinion is :- >> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth >> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies >> 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp >> sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not >> possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). >> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then >> birth of 2'nd child is promised. >> >> I have two questions:- >> >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the >> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp >> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) >> >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp >> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? >> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good >> income!) >> >> - Regards >> Sourav. >> >> >> --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, >> >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, >> >> " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, >> KP >> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in >> general) " >> >> Best regards, >> >> tw >> >> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi >> <lyrastro1> >> wrote: >> > Dear Mr.Raichur, >> > The VIIth cusp,can,like any >> other cusp, >> stand for different things,but it depends upon the >> astrologer to >> select the appropriate significations,for the >> particular >> query/judgement,don't you think so ? >> > For example the Vth can >> denote a lover,a >> child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so >> on,depending >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered >> at the TOJ... >> > Therefore,in my humble >> opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second >> child,based on the >> IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the >> first-born,seems to me >> to be correct... >> > With highest regards, >> > lyrastro1 >> > GOOD LUCK >> ! >> > >> > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: >> > Dear Vinay >> > >> > This is a really serious issue. It is right to >> consider 7th Cusp, >> and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd >> child. But as you >> correctly raised the question, this is also the >> consideration for >> marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and >> foregone, the >> answer will be the same. >> > >> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are >> promised >> Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| >> > >> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it >> denotes child >> birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. >> > >> > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of >> the 1st Born? Is >> a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. >> > >> > >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: >> > Dear Vinay, >> > You are very correct,for the second >> child it is >> recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be >> analysed...as per >> K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the >> issue of whether >> Father's chart or Mother's chart should be >> analysed...etc. >> > But for the second child I do not >> think there is >> any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for >> consideration... >> > Yours sincerely, >> > lyrastro1 >> > GOOD LUCK ! >> > >> > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: >> > Respected gurus and friends, >> > >> > I was just going through a chart , for >> birth of his second >> child. >> > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following >> queries, >> > 1) Which houses should be considered? >> > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 >> is 3rd from 5th . >> > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? >> > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child >> is there in >> chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how >> > >> > Please i need guidence regarding same. >> > >> > >> > Thanks In advance, >> > >> > Regards, >> > Vinay Tiwari >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile >> phone. >> > >> > India Matrimony: Find your life partner >> online. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------- >> > A.R.Raichur bombay >> > anant_1608 >> > raichuranant >> > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY >> > tel: 022-2506 2609 >> > --------- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Ron Gaunt, Prince Philip, Father, 10 June 1921, Fr, 21:46 PM EET, 2h East, (GMT 19:46), Corfu, Greece, 39N36, 19E56 (Asc Sg 20:54) Queen Elizabeth II, Mother, 21 April 1926, We, 2:40 AM DST (GMT 1:40), London, 51N30, 00W10 (Asc Sg 28:39) 1. Prince Charles, 1st child, son, 14 Nov 1948, Su, 21:14 GMT, London (Asc Cn 12:21) 2. Princes Anne, 2nd child, daughter, 15 August 1950, Tu, 9:50 GMT, London (Asc Vi 21:25) 3. Prince Andrew, 3rd child, son, 19 February 1960, Fr, 15:38 GMT, London (Asc Cn 29:45) 4. Prince Edward, 4th child, son, 11 March 1964, We, 20:20 GMT, London (Asc Vi 23:53) Prince Rainer III, Father, 31 May 1923, Th, 6:00 AM, 1h East, (5:00 GMT), Monte Carlo, Monaco, 43N45, 07E25 (Asc Ge 02:16) Grace Kelly, Mother, 12 Nov 1929, 05:31 AM, 5hWest, (10:31 GMT), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US (Asc Li 11:57) 1. Princes Caroline, 1st child, daughter, 23 January 1957, We, 9:27 AM ST, 1hEast, (8:27 GMT), Monte Carlo, Monaco (Asc Aq 12:25) 2. Prince Albert, 2nd child, son, 14 March 1958, 10:50 AM, 1hEast, (9:50 GMT), Monte Carlo, Monaco (Asc Ta 28:11) 3. Princes Stephine, 3rd child, daughter, 1 Feb 1965, Mo, 18:25 PM, 1hEast, (17:25 GMT), Monte Carlo, Monaco (Asc Cn 28:43) Best regards, tw , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd births etc. > > Does anyone have birth details of say four or more children to > the same mother. We could then check what appears to work > best. > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > > >1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in > >judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male > >and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time > >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for > >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members > >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only > >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader > >IV) > > > >2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, > >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242. > > > >Best regards, > > > >tw > > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> > >wrote: > >> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > >> > >> My opinion is :- > >> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth > >> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > >> 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > >> sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > >> possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > >> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then > >> birth of 2'nd child is promised. > >> > >> I have two questions:- > >> > >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > >> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > >> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > >> > >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > >> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > >> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > >> income!) > >> > >> - Regards > >> Sourav. > >> > >> > >> --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > >> > >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > >> > >> " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, > >> KP > >> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > >> general) " > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> tw > >> > >> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > >> <lyrastro1> > >> wrote: > >> > Dear Mr.Raichur, > >> > The VIIth cusp,can,like any > >> other cusp, > >> stand for different things,but it depends upon the > >> astrologer to > >> select the appropriate significations,for the > >> particular > >> query/judgement,don't you think so ? > >> > For example the Vth can > >> denote a lover,a > >> child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so > >> on,depending > >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered > >> at the TOJ... > >> > Therefore,in my humble > >> opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > >> child,based on the > >> IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > >> first-born,seems to me > >> to be correct... > >> > With highest regards, > >> > lyrastro1 > >> > GOOD LUCK > >> ! > >> > > >> > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > >> > Dear Vinay > >> > > >> > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > >> consider 7th Cusp, > >> and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > >> child. But as you > >> correctly raised the question, this is also the > >> consideration for > >> marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > >> foregone, the > >> answer will be the same. > >> > > >> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are > >> promised > >> Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| > >> > > >> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it > >> denotes child > >> birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > >> > > >> > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > >> the 1st Born? Is > >> a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. > >> > > >> > > >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > >> > Dear Vinay, > >> > You are very correct,for the second > >> child it is > >> recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > >> analysed...as per > >> K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > >> issue of whether > >> Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > >> analysed...etc. > >> > But for the second child I do not > >> think there is > >> any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > >> consideration... > >> > Yours sincerely, > >> > lyrastro1 > >> > GOOD LUCK ! > >> > > >> > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > >> > Respected gurus and friends, > >> > > >> > I was just going through a chart , for > >> birth of his second > >> child. > >> > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > >> queries, > >> > 1) Which houses should be considered? > >> > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > >> is 3rd from 5th . > >> > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > >> > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child > >> is there in > >> chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > >> > > >> > Please i need guidence regarding same. > >> > > >> > > >> > Thanks In advance, > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Vinay Tiwari > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear K.P. Group Members, A lot of (needless)"hair-splitting" seems to have crept in these days...in this group,(possibly because of superficial reading of the KP Readers).I would suggest that we apply the known principles with a lot of care, and... I dare-say, a lot of common-sense and presence of mind... Any textbook in astrology will tell you that, of the 12 houses every house signifies a number of different and probably, even unrelated matters...thus,the proper and judicious selection/application of the significations,as said earlier, will depend upon the matter under examination and also the context in which the examination is being made...There, lies the skill of an accomplished astrologer,which differentiates him from a run-of-the-mill-fortune-teller...! It will be worthwhile to remember,that in prognostication,choosing of the correct and appropriate signification, after due care, to be applied,in reference to context,to the house/s being examined will decide to a large extent the accuracy and correctness of the prognostication... In the example cited above,by Sourav, we have to consider the IIIrd from the Vth,i.e., the VIIth for the sibling...not the IIIrd cusp...of the mother...rules should therefore be interpreted and understood properly,and also applied in the proper context of the matter under examination... A simple and straightforward literal meaning if applied,could lead to wrong conclusions/results... With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282 wrote: Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw,My opinion is :-5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birthof 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies2,5,11 "then only" one should check for 7th cuspsublord for 2'nd child(without "1'st" it is notpossible for having "2'nd" including miscarriage).After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 thenbirth of 2'nd child is promised.I have two questions:- How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cuspsublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!)Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cuspof the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not?(11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means goodincome!)- Regards Sourav.--- tw853 <tw853 wrote:Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774,"to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception,KPReader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth ingeneral)"Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi<lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Mr.Raichur,> The VIIth cusp,can,like anyother cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon theastrologer to select the appropriate significations,for theparticular query/judgement,don't you think so ?> For example the Vth candenote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and soon,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being consideredat the TOJ...> Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the secondchild,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of thefirst-born,seems to me to be correct...> With highest regards,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK!> > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> Dear Vinay> > This is a really serious issue. It is right toconsider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2ndchild. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also theconsideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, andforegone, the answer will be the same.> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you arepromised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. |||> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as itdenotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp ofthe 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution.> > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Vinay,> You are very correct,for the secondchild it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul beanalysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on theissue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should beanalysed...etc.> But for the second child I do notthink there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp forconsideration...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote:> Respected gurus and friends,> > I was just going through a chart , forbirth of his second child.> Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for followingqueries,> 1) Which houses should be considered?> 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7is 3rd from 5th .> But 2,7,11 also gives marriage?> 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second childis there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how> > Please i need guidence regarding same.> > > Thanks In advance,> > Regards,> Vinay Tiwari> > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobilephone. > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay> anant_1608 > raichuranant> USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> tel: 022-2506 2609 > ---------> > > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Mr Yogesh Rao I agree. The Astrologer has to have intutuion to select the correct matter and correct house. Mere application of Rules does not help Good LuckYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Mr.Raichur, The VIIth cusp,can,like any other cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon the astrologer to select the appropriate significations,for the particular query/judgement,don't you think so ? For example the Vth can denote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so on,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered at the TOJ... Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second child,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the first-born,seems to me to be correct... With highest regards, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: Dear Vinay This is a really serious issue. It is right to consider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd child. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also the consideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and foregone, the answer will be the same. So it would be as good as stating, that One you are promised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it denotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of the 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Vinay, You are very correct,for the second child it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be analysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the issue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should be analysed...etc. But for the second child I do not think there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for consideration... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit wrote: Respected gurus and friends, I was just going through a chart , for birth of his second child. Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following queries, 1) Which houses should be considered? 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 is 3rd from 5th . But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child is there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how Please i need guidence regarding same. Thanks In advance, Regards, Vinay Tiwari Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Meet the all-new My – Try it today! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- The all-new My – What will yours do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 When we check for the 3rd sub lord of the 1st born, we just see where this Sub lord is placed. If he is in a favourable place 1,2,3 6,10,11 then we conclude that the native will get favourable results of the 3rd house. So we may conclude that he will have siblings. This is my opinion, not any rule given in a book. Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282 wrote: Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw,My opinion is :-5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birthof 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies2,5,11 "then only" one should check for 7th cuspsublord for 2'nd child(without "1'st" it is notpossible for having "2'nd" including miscarriage).After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 thenbirth of 2'nd child is promised.I have two questions:- How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cuspsublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!)Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cuspof the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not?(11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means goodincome!)- RegardsSourav.--- tw853 wrote:Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774,"to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception,KPReader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth ingeneral)"Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmiwrote:> Dear Mr.Raichur,> The VIIth cusp,can,like anyother cusp, stand for different things,but it depends upon theastrologer to select the appropriate significations,for theparticular query/judgement,don't you think so ?> For example the Vth candenote a lover,a child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and soon,depending upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being consideredat the TOJ...> Therefore,in my humble opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the secondchild,based on the IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of thefirst-born,seems to me to be correct...> With highest regards,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK!> > anant raichur wrote:> Dear Vinay> > This is a really serious issue. It is right toconsider 7th Cusp, and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2ndchild. But as you correctly raised the question, this is also theconsideration for marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, andforegone, the answer will be the same.> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you arepromised Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. |||> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as itdenotes child birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp ofthe 1st Born? Is a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution.> > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:> Dear Vinay,> You are very correct,for the secondchild it is recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul beanalysed...as per K.P., recently also there was a discussion on theissue of whether Father's chart or Mother's chart should beanalysed...etc.> But for the second child I do notthink there is any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp forconsideration...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > Vinay Tiwari wrote:> Respected gurus and friends,> > I was just going through a chart , forbirth of his second child.> Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for followingqueries,> 1) Which houses should be considered?> 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7is 3rd from 5th .> But 2,7,11 also gives marriage?> 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second childis there in chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how> > Please i need guidence regarding same.> > > Thanks In advance,> > Regards,> Vinay Tiwari> > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobilephone. > > India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. > > > > --------- > A.R.Raichur bombay> anant_1608 > raichuranant> USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY> tel: 022-2506 2609 > ---------> > > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Ron I have the full details of my own 4 children. If you want them I can send it to the Group, including the details of the Mother of all four. rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd births etc.Does anyone have birth details of say four or more children tothe same mother. We could then check what appears to workbest.Ron GauntOn Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote:>>>Dear Sourav Guchhait,>>1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in>judging "Is child birth promised or not?" in examples for both male>and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader >IV)>>2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242.>>Best regards,>>tw>>> >> , Sourav Guchhait >wrote:>> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw,>> >> My opinion is :->> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth>> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies>> 2,5,11 "then only" one should check for 7th cusp>> sublord for 2'nd child(without "1'st" it is not>> possible for having "2'nd" including miscarriage).>> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then>> birth of 2'nd child is promised.>> >> I have two questions:- >> >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the>> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp>> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!)>> >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp>> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not?>> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good>> income!)>> >> - Regards>> Sourav.>> >> >> --- tw853 wrote:>> >> >> >> >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,>> >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774,>> >> "to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception,>> KP>> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in>> general)">> >> Best regards,>> >> tw>> >> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi>> >> wrote:>> > Dear Mr.Raichur,>> > The VIIth cusp,can,like any>> other cusp, >> stand for different things,but it depends upon the>> astrologer to >> select the appropriate significations,for the>> particular >> query/judgement,don't you think so ?>> > For example the Vth can>> denote a lover,a >> child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so>> on,depending >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered>> at the TOJ...>> > Therefore,in my humble >> opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second>> child,based on the >> IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the>> first-born,seems to me >> to be correct...>> > With highest regards,>> > lyrastro1>> > GOOD LUCK>> !>> > >> > anant raichur wrote:>> > Dear Vinay>> > >> > This is a really serious issue. It is right to>> consider 7th Cusp, >> and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd>> child. But as you >> correctly raised the question, this is also the>> consideration for >> marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and>> foregone, the >> answer will be the same.>> > >> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are>> promised >> Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. |||>> > >> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it>> denotes child >> birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. >> > >> > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of>> the 1st Born? Is >> a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution.>> > >> > >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:>> > Dear Vinay,>> > You are very correct,for the second>> child it is >> recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be>> analysed...as per >> K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the>> issue of whether >> Father's chart or Mother's chart should be>> analysed...etc.>> > But for the second child I do not>> think there is >> any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for>> consideration...>> > Yours sincerely,>> > lyrastro1>> > GOOD LUCK !>> > >> > Vinay Tiwari wrote:>> > Respected gurus and friends,>> > >> > I was just going through a chart , for>> birth of his second >> child.>> > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following>> queries,>> > 1) Which houses should be considered?>> > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7>> is 3rd from 5th .>> > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage?>> > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child>> is there in >> chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how>> > >> > Please i need guidence regarding same.>> > >> > >> > Thanks In advance,>> > >> > Regards,>> > Vinay Tiwari>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile>> phone. >> > >> > India Matrimony: Find your life partner>> online. >> > >> > >> > >> > --------- >> > A.R.Raichur bombay>> > anant_1608 >> > raichuranant>> > USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLY>> > tel: 022-2506 2609 >> > --------->> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Meet the all-new My – Try it today! >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Ron, 1. I am giving the details for the study of multiple births. 2. Wife:- DOB--- 06 JUL 1915 TOB----- 1810 hrs Place 18E 31: 73N 55 3. The details of the children are as under: S= Son; D= Daughter (a) S 16 oct 1931 (b) D 20 jul 1934 © S 25 feb 1937 (d) D 22jul 1938 (e) D 18 jul 1940 (f) D 05 Aug 1942 (g) Twins S & D 4 Nov 1947 (h) S 13 Mar 1950 4. I am finding the details of the husbands POB and will be posting it soon. I hope the data proves to be a good exerscise. Also two children have died apart from those given above(all living at present).Their details follow With best wishes and regards Ranade --- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd births etc. Does anyone have birth details of say four or more children to the same mother. We could then check what appears to work best. Ron Gaunt On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Sourav Guchhait, > >1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in >judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male >and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader >IV) > >2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242. > >Best regards, > >tw > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> >wrote: >> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, >> >> My opinion is :- >> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth >> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies >> 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp >> sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not >> possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). >> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then >> birth of 2'nd child is promised. >> >> I have two questions:- >> >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the >> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp >> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) >> >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp >> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? >> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good >> income!) >> >> - Regards >> Sourav. >> >> >> --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, >> >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, >> >> " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, >> KP >> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in >> general) " >> >> Best regards, >> >> tw >> >> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi >> <lyrastro1> >> wrote: >> > Dear Mr.Raichur, >> > The VIIth cusp,can,like any >> other cusp, >> stand for different things,but it depends upon the >> astrologer to >> select the appropriate significations,for the >> particular >> query/judgement,don't you think so ? >> > For example the Vth can >> denote a lover,a >> child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so >> on,depending >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered >> at the TOJ... >> > Therefore,in my humble >> opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second >> child,based on the >> IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the >> first-born,seems to me >> to be correct... >> > With highest regards, >> > lyrastro1 >> > GOOD LUCK >> ! >> > >> > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: >> > Dear Vinay >> > >> > This is a really serious issue. It is right to >> consider 7th Cusp, >> and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd >> child. But as you >> correctly raised the question, this is also the >> consideration for >> marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and >> foregone, the >> answer will be the same. >> > >> > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are >> promised >> Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| >> > >> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it >> denotes child >> birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. >> > >> > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of >> the 1st Born? Is >> a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. >> > >> > >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: >> > Dear Vinay, >> > You are very correct,for the second >> child it is >> recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be >> analysed...as per >> K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the >> issue of whether >> Father's chart or Mother's chart should be >> analysed...etc. >> > But for the second child I do not >> think there is >> any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for >> consideration... >> > Yours sincerely, >> > lyrastro1 >> > GOOD LUCK ! >> > >> > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: >> > Respected gurus and friends, >> > >> > I was just going through a chart , for >> birth of his second >> child. >> > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following >> queries, >> > 1) Which houses should be considered? >> > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 >> is 3rd from 5th . >> > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? >> > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child >> is there in >> chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how >> > >> > Please i need guidence regarding same. >> > >> > >> > Thanks In advance, >> > >> > Regards, >> > Vinay Tiwari >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear tw, Thanks for your kind reply. Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for promise of birth of 1'st child. But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is examined for " How to declare that one cannot have a child at all? " (KP Reader III, p 425.) 11th cusp is always important in money matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11), child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts. Regards, Sourav. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sourav Guchhait, 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples for both male and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are judged for the time of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and example for female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in number of members of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; 11th not only fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, p 210 KP Reader IV) 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th is 3rd from 5th, 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p 242. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > My opinion is :- > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means birth > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 then > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > I have two questions:- > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > income!) > > - Regards > Sourav. > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second conception, > KP > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > general) " > > Best regards, > > tw > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > The VIIth cusp,can,like any > other cusp, > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > astrologer to > select the appropriate significations,for the > particular > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > For example the Vth can > denote a lover,a > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and so > on,depending > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being considered > at the TOJ... > > Therefore,in my humble > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > child,based on the > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > first-born,seems to me > to be correct... > > With highest regards, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK > ! > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > Dear Vinay > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > consider 7th Cusp, > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > child. But as you > correctly raised the question, this is also the > consideration for > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > foregone, the > answer will be the same. > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you are > promised > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. ||| > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as it > denotes child > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > the 1st Born? Is > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better solution. > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > You are very correct,for the second > child it is > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > analysed...as per > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > issue of whether > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > analysed...etc. > > But for the second child I do not > think there is > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > consideration... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > birth of his second > child. > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > queries, > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > is 3rd from 5th . > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second child > is there in > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Group members, Thanks for your kind reply, specially to Mr.Raichur and tw. Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmiji, I don't pretend/consider myself as an " astrolger " and even a " run-of-the-mill-fortune-teller " . I am just a learner of KP. You have written " In the example..,by Sourav, we have to consider the IIIrd from the Vth,i.e., the VIIth for the sibling...not the IIIrd cusp...of the mother...rules should...........under examination... " - Well, I have not mentioned 3'rd cusp of the mother to check for 2'nd child of her, read my message again. - Regards Sourav. --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > Dear K.P. Group Members, > A lot of > (needless) " hair-splitting " seems to have crept in > these days...in this group,(possibly because of > superficial reading of the KP Readers).I would > suggest that we apply the known principles with a > lot of care, and... I dare-say, a lot of > common-sense and presence of mind... > Any textbook > in astrology will tell you that, of the 12 houses > every house signifies a number of different and > probably, even unrelated matters...thus,the proper > and judicious selection/application of the > significations,as said earlier, will depend upon the > matter under examination and also the context in > which the examination is being made...There, lies > the skill of an accomplished astrologer,which > differentiates him from a > run-of-the-mill-fortune-teller...! > It will be > worthwhile to remember,that in > prognostication,choosing of the correct and > appropriate signification, after due care, to be > applied,in reference to context,to the house/s being > examined will decide to a large extent the accuracy > and correctness of the prognostication... > In the > example cited above,by Sourav, we have to consider > the IIIrd from the Vth,i.e., the VIIth for the > sibling...not the IIIrd cusp...of the mother...rules > should therefore be interpreted and understood > properly,and also applied in the proper context of > the matter under examination... > A simple and > straightforward literal meaning if applied,could > lead to wrong conclusions/results... > With best > wishes, > lyrastro1 > GOOD > LUCK ! > > Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282 wrote: > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > My opinion is :- > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > birth > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > then > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > I have two questions:- > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > income!) > > - Regards > Sourav. > > > --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > conception, > KP > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > general) " > > Best regards, > > tw > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > The VIIth cusp,can,like > any > other cusp, > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > astrologer to > select the appropriate significations,for the > particular > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > For example the Vth can > denote a lover,a > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and > so > on,depending > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > considered > at the TOJ... > > Therefore,in my humble > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > child,based on the > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > first-born,seems to me > to be correct... > > With highest regards, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD > LUCK > ! > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > Dear Vinay > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > consider 7th Cusp, > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > child. But as you > correctly raised the question, this is also the > consideration for > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > foregone, the > answer will be the same. > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you > are > promised > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. > ||| > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as > it > denotes child > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > the 1st Born? Is > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better > solution. > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > Dear Vinay, > > You are very correct,for the > second > child it is > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > analysed...as per > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > issue of whether > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > analysed...etc. > > But for the second child I do > not > think there is > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > consideration... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK > ! > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > birth of his second > child. > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > queries, > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > is 3rd from 5th . > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second > child > is there in > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > Regards, > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. 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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dear Sourav Guchhait, 1. Just referring KP Readers not to be called a fortune teller. 2. " A child at all " , KP Reader III, p 425 (Part II, p 252 in 1984 edition) may be comparable to " Any child at all " , p 223-226, KP Reader V, 1984. 3. Among iportance of 10th as mentioned, 5 and 11 alone specify increase in number of the family by birth of children , p 226, KP Readr V. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear tw, > Thanks for your kind reply. > Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is > true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for > promise of birth of 1'st child. > But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is > examined for " How to declare that one cannot have a > child at all? " (KP Reader III, p 425.) > > 11th cusp is always important in money > matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11), > child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts. > > Regards, > Sourav. > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in > judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples > for both male > and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are > judged for the time > of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and > example for > female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in > number of members > of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; > 11th not only > fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, > p 210 KP Reader > IV) > > 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th > is 3rd from 5th, > 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p > 242. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > <sourav6282> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > > > My opinion is :- > > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > birth > > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > then > > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > > > I have two questions:- > > > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > > income!) > > > > - Regards > > Sourav. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > conception, > > KP > > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > > general) " > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > The VIIth cusp,can,like > any > > other cusp, > > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > > astrologer to > > select the appropriate significations,for the > > particular > > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > > For example the Vth can > > denote a lover,a > > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and > so > > on,depending > > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > considered > > at the TOJ... > > > Therefore,in my humble > > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > > child,based on the > > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > > first-born,seems to me > > to be correct... > > > With highest regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD > LUCK > > ! > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > Dear Vinay > > > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > > consider 7th Cusp, > > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > > child. But as you > > correctly raised the question, this is also the > > consideration for > > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > > foregone, the > > answer will be the same. > > > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you > are > > promised > > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. > ||| > > > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as > it > > denotes child > > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > > the 1st Born? Is > > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better > solution. > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > Dear Vinay, > > > You are very correct,for the > second > > child it is > > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > > analysed...as per > > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > > issue of whether > > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > > analysed...etc. > > > But for the second child I do > not > > think there is > > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > > consideration... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK > ! > > > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > > birth of his second > > child. > > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > > queries, > > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > > is 3rd from 5th . > > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second > child > > is there in > > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dear Ranade Good efforts >The data will be more useful, if TOB,POB of children are also given. One can then cast the charts, and check the connections: I am giving below the details of a family, for study and establishing the relationships: FATHER: POB: 15N27 75E05 TOB 1;05 DOB 16-08-1923 MOTHER POB 15N52 74E34 TOB 07:12 DOB 22-03-1929 1ST CHILD POB 16N11 75E42 TOB 21:10 DOB 28-01-1949 2ND POB 19N05 74E44 TOB 08:04 DOB 09-04-1951 3RD POB 16N00 75E48 TOB 17:00 DOB 25-12-1953 4TH POB 15N52 74E34 TOB 21;40 DOB 09-12-1955 GOOD LUCKdilip ranade <dilipdsr wrote: Dear Ron,1. I am giving the details for the study of multiplebirths.2. Wife:- DOB--- 06 JUL 1915 TOB----- 1810 hrs Place 18E 31: 73N 553. The details of the children are as under: S=Son; D= Daughter(a) S 16 oct 1931(b) D 20 jul 1934© S 25 feb 1937(d) D 22jul 1938(e) D 18 jul 1940(f) D 05 Aug 1942(g) Twins S & D 4 Nov 1947(h) S 13 Mar 19504. I am finding the details of the husbands POB andwill be posting it soon. I hope the data proves to bea good exerscise. Also two children have died apartfrom those given above(all living at present).Theirdetails followWith best wishes and regardsRanade--- rongaunt wrote: To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd birthsetc.Does anyone have birth details of say four or morechildren tothe same mother. We could then check what appearsto workbest.Ron GauntOn Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote:>>>Dear Sourav Guchhait,>>1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are takenin>judging "Is child birth promised or not?" in examplesfor both male>and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 arejudged for the time >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, andexample for >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase innumber of members >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring;11th not only >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner,p 210 KP Reader >IV)>>2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7this 3rd from 5th, >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p242.>>Best regards,>>tw>>> >> , Sourav Guchhait>wrote:>> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw,>> >> My opinion is :->> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 meansbirth>> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies>> 2,5,11 "then only" one should check for 7th cusp>> sublord for 2'nd child(without "1'st" it is not>> possible for having "2'nd" including miscarriage).>> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11then>> birth of 2'nd child is promised.>> >> I have two questions:- >> >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp ofthe>> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp>> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!)>> >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11thcusp>> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not?>> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good>> income!)>> >> - Regards>> Sourav.>> >> >> --- tw853 wrote:>> >> >> >> >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,>> >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774,>> >> "to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for secondconception,>> KP>> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in>> general)">> >> Best regards,>> >> tw>> >> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi>> >> wrote:>> > Dear Mr.Raichur,>> > The VIIth cusp,can,likeany>> other cusp, >> stand for different things,but it depends upon the>> astrologer to >> select the appropriate significations,for the>> particular >> query/judgement,don't you think so ?>> > For example the Vth can>> denote a lover,a >> child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...andso>> on,depending >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, beingconsidered>> at the TOJ...>> > Therefore,in my humble >> opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second>> child,based on the >> IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the>> first-born,seems to me >> to be correct...>> > With highest regards,>> > lyrastro1>> > GOODLUCK>> !>> > >> > anant raichur wrote:>> > Dear Vinay>> > >> > This is a really serious issue. It is right to>> consider 7th Cusp, >> and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd>> child. But as you >> correctly raised the question, this is also the>> consideration for >> marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and>> foregone, the >> answer will be the same.>> > >> > So it would be as good as stating, that One youare>> promised >> Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well.|||>> > >> > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, asit>> denotes child >> birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady.>> > >> > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of>> the 1st Born? Is >> a Sibling promised ? This would be a bettersolution.>> > >> > >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi wrote:>> > Dear Vinay,>> > You are very correct,for thesecond>> child it is >> recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be>> analysed...as per >> K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the>> issue of whether >> Father's chart or Mother's chart should be>> analysed...etc.>> > But for the second child I donot>> think there is >> any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for>> consideration...>> > Yours sincerely,>> > lyrastro1>> > GOOD LUCK!>> > >> > Vinay Tiwari wrote:>> > Respected gurus and friends,>> > >> > I was just going through a chart , for>> birth of his second >> child.>> > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following>> queries,>> > 1) Which houses should be considered?>> > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ;7>> is 3rd from 5th .>> > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage?>> > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of secondchild>> is there in >> chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how>> > >> > Please i need guidence regarding same.>> > >> > >> > Thanks In advance,>> > >> > Regards,>> > Vinay Tiwari>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dear tw, I never pretend myself as a fortune teller. If my opinion was wrong, then simply say that it was wrong, please avoid indirect taunting. An intelligent and skilled person like you should not taunt other people of less intelligence. Also in this particular case I have not told anyone's fortune. Regards, Sourav. --- tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sourav Guchhait, 1. Just referring KP Readers not to be called a fortune teller. 2. " A child at all " , KP Reader III, p 425 (Part II, p 252 in 1984 edition) may be comparable to " Any child at all " , p 223-226, KP Reader V, 1984. 3. Among iportance of 10th as mentioned, 5 and 11 alone specify increase in number of the family by birth of children , p 226, KP Readr V. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear tw, > Thanks for your kind reply. > Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is > true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for > promise of birth of 1'st child. > But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is > examined for " How to declare that one cannot have a > child at all? " (KP Reader III, p 425.) > > 11th cusp is always important in money > matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11), > child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts. > > Regards, > Sourav. > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken in > judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in examples > for both male > and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are > judged for the time > of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and > example for > female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in > number of members > of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; > 11th not only > fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th partner, > p 210 KP Reader > IV) > > 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th > is 3rd from 5th, > 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p > 242. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > <sourav6282> > wrote: > > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > > > My opinion is :- > > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > birth > > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord signifies > > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > then > > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > > > I have two questions:- > > > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of the > > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th cusp > > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > > income!) > > > > - Regards > > Sourav. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > conception, > > KP > > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > > general) " > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > The VIIth cusp,can,like > any > > other cusp, > > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > > astrologer to > > select the appropriate significations,for the > > particular > > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > > For example the Vth can > > denote a lover,a > > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and > so > > on,depending > > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > considered > > at the TOJ... > > > Therefore,in my humble > > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > > child,based on the > > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > > first-born,seems to me > > to be correct... > > > With highest regards, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD > LUCK > > ! > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > Dear Vinay > > > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > > consider 7th Cusp, > > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > > child. But as you > > correctly raised the question, this is also the > > consideration for > > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > > foregone, the > > answer will be the same. > > > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you > are > > promised > > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. > ||| > > > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as > it > > denotes child > > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a lady. > > > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp of > > the 1st Born? Is > > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better > solution. > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > Dear Vinay, > > > You are very correct,for the > second > > child it is > > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > > analysed...as per > > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > > issue of whether > > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > > analysed...etc. > > > But for the second child I do > not > > think there is > > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > > consideration... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK > ! > > > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > > birth of his second > > child. > > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > > queries, > > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; 7 > > is 3rd from 5th . > > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second > child > > is there in > > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear Sourav Guchhait, Verry sorry. I'm telling for myself not be accused as a fortune teller, absolutely not to you. Nothing wrong with your opinion. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear tw, > > I never pretend myself as a fortune teller. If my > opinion was wrong, then simply say that it was wrong, > please avoid indirect taunting. > An intelligent and skilled person like you should not > taunt other people of less intelligence. Also in this > particular case I have not told anyone's fortune. > > Regards, > Sourav. > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > 1. Just referring KP Readers not to be called a > fortune teller. > > 2. " A child at all " , KP Reader III, p 425 (Part > II, p 252 in > 1984 edition) may be comparable to " Any child at > all " , p 223-226, KP > Reader V, 1984. > > 3. Among iportance of 10th as mentioned, 5 and 11 > alone specify > increase in number of the family by birth of children > , p 226, KP > Readr V. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > <sourav6282> > wrote: > > Dear tw, > > Thanks for your kind reply. > > Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is > > true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for > > promise of birth of 1'st child. > > But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is > > examined for " How to declare that one cannot have a > > child at all? " (KP Reader III, p 425.) > > > > 11th cusp is always important in money > > matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11), > > child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts. > > > > Regards, > > Sourav. > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > > > 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken > in > > judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in > examples > > for both male > > and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are > > judged for the time > > of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and > > example for > > female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in > > number of members > > of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; > > 11th not only > > fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th > partner, > > p 210 KP Reader > > IV) > > > > 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th > > is 3rd from 5th, > > 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p > > 242. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > > <sourav6282> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > > > > > My opinion is :- > > > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > > birth > > > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord > signifies > > > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > > > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > > > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > > > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > > then > > > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > > > > > I have two questions:- > > > > > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of > the > > > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > > > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > > > > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th > cusp > > > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > > > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > > > income!) > > > > > > - Regards > > > Sourav. > > > > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > > > > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > > conception, > > > KP > > > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > > > general) " > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao > Lajmi > > > <lyrastro1> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > The VIIth cusp,can,like > > any > > > other cusp, > > > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > > > astrologer to > > > select the appropriate significations,for the > > > particular > > > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > > > For example the Vth can > > > denote a lover,a > > > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and > > so > > > on,depending > > > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > > considered > > > at the TOJ... > > > > Therefore,in my humble > > > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > > > child,based on the > > > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > > > first-born,seems to me > > > to be correct... > > > > With highest regards, > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > GOOD > > LUCK > > > ! > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay > > > > > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > > > consider 7th Cusp, > > > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > > > child. But as you > > > correctly raised the question, this is also the > > > consideration for > > > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > > > foregone, the > > > answer will be the same. > > > > > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you > > are > > > promised > > > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. > > ||| > > > > > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as > > it > > > denotes child > > > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a > lady. > > > > > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp > of > > > the 1st Born? Is > > > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay, > > > > You are very correct,for the > > second > > > child it is > > > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > > > analysed...as per > > > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > > > issue of whether > > > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > > > analysed...etc. > > > > But for the second child I do > > not > > > think there is > > > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > > > consideration... > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > GOOD > LUCK > > ! > > > > > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > > > birth of his second > > > child. > > > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > > > queries, > > > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; > 7 > > > is 3rd from 5th . > > > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second > > child > > > is there in > > > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Dear tw, Thank you very much for your reply. I am really sorry for misinterpreting your mail. Regards, Sourav.tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Sourav Guchhait,Verry sorry. I'm telling for myself not be accused as a fortune teller, absolutely not to you. Nothing wrong with your opinion.Best regards,tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote:> Dear tw,> > I never pretend myself as a fortune teller. If my> opinion was wrong, then simply say that it was wrong,> please avoid indirect taunting. > An intelligent and skilled person like you should not> taunt other people of less intelligence. Also in this> particular case I have not told anyone's fortune.> > Regards,> Sourav.> > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait,> > 1. Just referring KP Readers not to be called a> fortune teller.> > 2. "A child at all", KP Reader III, p 425 (Part> II, p 252 in > 1984 edition) may be comparable to "Any child at> all", p 223-226, KP > Reader V, 1984.> > 3. Among iportance of 10th as mentioned, 5 and 11> alone specify > increase in number of the family by birth of children> , p 226, KP > Readr V.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > > > , Sourav Guchhait> <sourav6282> > wrote:> > Dear tw,> > Thanks for your kind reply.> > Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is> > true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for> > promise of birth of 1'st child. > > But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is> > examined for "How to declare that one cannot have a> > child at all?" (KP Reader III, p 425.) > > > > 11th cusp is always important in money> > matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11),> > child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts.> > > > Regards,> > Sourav.> > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait,> > > > 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken> in> > judging "Is child birth promised or not?" in> examples> > for both male> > and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are> > judged for the time > > of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and> > example for > > female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in> > number of members > > of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring;> > 11th not only > > fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th> partner,> > p 210 KP Reader > > IV)> > > > 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th> > is 3rd from 5th, > > 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p> > 242.> > > > Best regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait> > <sourav6282> > > wrote:> > > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw,> > > > > > My opinion is :-> > > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means> > birth> > > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord> signifies> > > 2,5,11 "then only" one should check for 7th cusp> > > sublord for 2'nd child(without "1'st" it is not> > > possible for having "2'nd" including miscarriage).> > > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11> > then> > > birth of 2'nd child is promised.> > > > > > I have two questions:- > > > > > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of> the> > > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp> > > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!)> > > > > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th> cusp> > > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not?> > > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good> > > income!)> > > > > > - Regards> > > Sourav.> > > > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,> > > > > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774,> > > > > > "to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second> > conception,> > > KP> > > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in> > > general)"> > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > , Yogesh Rao> Lajmi> > > <lyrastro1> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,> > > > The VIIth cusp,can,like> > any> > > other cusp, > > > stand for different things,but it depends upon the> > > astrologer to > > > select the appropriate significations,for the> > > particular > > > query/judgement,don't you think so ?> > > > For example the Vth can> > > denote a lover,a > > > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and> > so> > > on,depending > > > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being> > considered> > > at the TOJ...> > > > Therefore,in my humble > > > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second> > > child,based on the > > > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the> > > first-born,seems to me > > > to be correct...> > > > With highest regards,> > > > lyrastro1> > > > GOOD> > LUCK> > > !> > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> > > > Dear Vinay> > > > > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to> > > consider 7th Cusp, > > > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd> > > child. But as you > > > correctly raised the question, this is also the> > > consideration for > > > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and> > > foregone, the > > > answer will be the same.> > > > > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you> > are> > > promised > > > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well.> > |||> > > > > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as> > it> > > denotes child > > > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a> lady. > > > > > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp> of> > > the 1st Born? Is > > > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better> > solution.> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> > > > Dear Vinay,> > > > You are very correct,for the> > second> > > child it is > > > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be> > > analysed...as per > > > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the> > > issue of whether > > > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be> > > analysed...etc.> > > > But for the second child I do> > not> > > think there is > > > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for> > > consideration...> > > > Yours sincerely,> > > > lyrastro1> > > > GOOD> LUCK> > !> > > > > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote:> > > > Respected gurus and friends,> > > > > > > > I was just going through a chart , for> > > birth of his second > > > child.> > > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following> > > queries,> > > > 1) Which houses should be considered?> > > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ;> 7> > > is 3rd from 5th .> > > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage?> > > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second> > child> > > is there in > > > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how> > > > > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks In advance,> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Vinay Tiwari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dear Sourav Guchhait, I can feell much relieved. We're the same, KP learners. Best regards, tw , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> wrote: > Dear tw, > > Thank you very much for your reply. > I am really sorry for misinterpreting your mail. > > Regards, > Sourav. > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > Verry sorry. > > I'm telling for myself not be accused as a fortune teller, absolutely > not to you. > > Nothing wrong with your opinion. > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282> > wrote: > > Dear tw, > > > > I never pretend myself as a fortune teller. If my > > opinion was wrong, then simply say that it was wrong, > > please avoid indirect taunting. > > An intelligent and skilled person like you should not > > taunt other people of less intelligence. Also in this > > particular case I have not told anyone's fortune. > > > > Regards, > > Sourav. > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > > > 1. Just referring KP Readers not to be called a > > fortune teller. > > > > 2. " A child at all " , KP Reader III, p 425 (Part > > II, p 252 in > > 1984 edition) may be comparable to " Any child at > > all " , p 223-226, KP > > Reader V, 1984. > > > > 3. Among iportance of 10th as mentioned, 5 and 11 > > alone specify > > increase in number of the family by birth of children > > , p 226, KP > > Readr V. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > > <sourav6282> > > wrote: > > > Dear tw, > > > Thanks for your kind reply. > > > Whatever you have written is absolutely true. It is > > > true that 5th and 11th cusps are to be judged for > > > promise of birth of 1'st child. > > > But primarily, according to me, 5th cusp sublord is > > > examined for " How to declare that one cannot have a > > > child at all? " (KP Reader III, p 425.) > > > > > > 11th cusp is always important in money > > > matters(2,6,11), job(2,6,10,11), marriage (2,7,11), > > > child(2,5,11) etc specially in horary charts. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Sourav. > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > > > > > 1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken > > in > > > judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in > > examples > > > for both male > > > and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are > > > judged for the time > > > of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, and > > > example for > > > female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in > > > number of members > > > of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; > > > 11th not only > > > fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th > > partner, > > > p 210 KP Reader > > > IV) > > > > > > 2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; 7th > > > is 3rd from 5th, > > > 3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, p > > > 242. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > > > <sourav6282> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > > > > > > > > My opinion is :- > > > > 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > > > birth > > > > of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord > > signifies > > > > 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > > > > sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > > > > possible for having " 2'nd " including miscarriage). > > > > After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > > > then > > > > birth of 2'nd child is promised. > > > > > > > > I have two questions:- > > > > > > > > How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of > > the > > > > 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > > > > sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > > > > > > > > Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th > > cusp > > > > of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or not? > > > > (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > > > > income!) > > > > > > > > - Regards > > > > Sourav. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > > > > > Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > > > > > > > > " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > > > conception, > > > > KP > > > > Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > > > > general) " > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao > > Lajmi > > > > <lyrastro1> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Mr.Raichur, > > > > > The VIIth cusp,can,like > > > any > > > > other cusp, > > > > stand for different things,but it depends upon the > > > > astrologer to > > > > select the appropriate significations,for the > > > > particular > > > > query/judgement,don't you think so ? > > > > > For example the Vth can > > > > denote a lover,a > > > > child or a card-game,opponent's victory/gain...and > > > so > > > > on,depending > > > > upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > > > considered > > > > at the TOJ... > > > > > Therefore,in my humble > > > > opinion,Mr.Raichur,the VII cusp for the second > > > > child,based on the > > > > IIIrd from the Vth,as younger sibling of the > > > > first-born,seems to me > > > > to be correct... > > > > > With highest regards, > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > GOOD > > > LUCK > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > > > > > Dear Vinay > > > > > > > > > > This is a really serious issue. It is right to > > > > consider 7th Cusp, > > > > and its connection with 2nd and 11th, for the 2nd > > > > child. But as you > > > > correctly raised the question, this is also the > > > > consideration for > > > > marriage. Since marriage is already forseen, and > > > > foregone, the > > > > answer will be the same. > > > > > > > > > > So it would be as good as stating, that One you > > > are > > > > promised > > > > Marriage, You are promised the 2nd child as well. > > > ||| > > > > > > > > > > I feel we should also consider the 5th House, as > > > it > > > > denotes child > > > > birth in general, besides, the 1st child of a > > lady. > > > > > > > > > > The other solution is to consider the 3rd cusp > > of > > > > the 1st Born? Is > > > > a Sibling promised ? This would be a better > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > > > > > Dear Vinay, > > > > > You are very correct,for the > > > second > > > > child it is > > > > recommended that the VIIth cusp sublord shoul be > > > > analysed...as per > > > > K.P., recently also there was a discussion on the > > > > issue of whether > > > > Father's chart or Mother's chart should be > > > > analysed...etc. > > > > > But for the second child I do > > > not > > > > think there is > > > > any 'dispute' on taking the VIIth cusp for > > > > consideration... > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > > > lyrastro1 > > > > > GOOD > > LUCK > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit> wrote: > > > > > Respected gurus and friends, > > > > > > > > > > I was just going through a chart , for > > > > birth of his second > > > > child. > > > > > Dear Guruz , Can you kindly answer for following > > > > queries, > > > > > 1) Which houses should be considered? > > > > > 2)If i am not wrong 2,7,11 for second child ie ; > > 7 > > > > is 3rd from 5th . > > > > > But 2,7,11 also gives marriage? > > > > > 3)If i want to confirm whether birth of second > > > child > > > > is there in > > > > chart should i C 7th sublord connection? or how > > > > > > > > > > Please i need guidence regarding same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks In advance, > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vinay Tiwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 12/11/2004 Dear Ron/ Mr Raichur, The new details are as reqd. 1. I am giving the details for the study of multiple births. 2. Wife:- DOB--- 06 JUL 1915 TOB----- 1800 hrs Place 18E 31: 73N 55 3. The details of the children are as under: S= Son; D= Daughter (a) S 16 oct 1931 TOB 2359 : POB= 21N01: 75E35 (b) D 20 jul 1934 TOB-1446 : POB= 21N01: 75E35 © S 25 feb 1937 TOB-1933 : POB= 21N01: 75E35 (d) D 22jul 1938 TOB-2035 : POB= 21N01: 75E35 (e) D 18 jul 1940 TOB- 0755: POB= 21N01: 75E35 (f) D 05 Aug 1942 TOB- 0445: POB= 21N01: 75E35 (g) Twins S & D 4 Nov 1947 TOB- 0345 : POB=20N05 79E59 (h) S 13 Mar 1950: TOB-0945: POB=20N05 79E59 4. I am finding the details of the husbands POB and will be posting it soon. I hope the data proves to be a good exerscise. Also two children have died apart from those given above(all living at present).Their details follow With best wishes and regards Ranade PS:- (a) Details of husband are as follows DOB-26 FEB 1908 TOB-2145 POB= 23N30: 86E40 (b) All times are in Indian Std Time. Regards Ranade --- anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: > Dear Ranade > > Good efforts >The data will be more useful, if > TOB,POB of children are also given. One can then > cast the charts, and check the connections: > > I am giving below the details of a family, for study > and establishing the relationships: > > FATHER: POB: 15N27 75E05 TOB 1;05 DOB > 16-08-1923 > MOTHER POB 15N52 74E34 TOB 07:12 DOB > 22-03-1929 > 1ST CHILD POB 16N11 75E42 TOB 21:10 DOB > 28-01-1949 > 2ND POB 19N05 74E44 TOB 08:04 DOB > 09-04-1951 > 3RD POB 16N00 75E48 TOB 17:00 DOB > 25-12-1953 > 4TH POB 15N52 74E34 TOB 21;40 DOB > 09-12-1955 > GOOD LUCK > dilip ranade <dilipdsr wrote: > > > Dear Ron, > > 1. I am giving the details for the study of multiple > births. > > 2. Wife:- DOB--- 06 JUL 1915 TOB----- 1810 hrs > Place 18E 31: 73N 55 > > 3. The details of the children are as under: S= > Son; D= Daughter > > (a) S 16 oct 1931 > > (b) D 20 jul 1934 > > © S 25 feb 1937 > > (d) D 22jul 1938 > > (e) D 18 jul 1940 > > (f) D 05 Aug 1942 > > (g) Twins S & D 4 Nov 1947 > > (h) S 13 Mar 1950 > > 4. I am finding the details of the husbands POB and > will be posting it soon. I hope the data proves to > be > a good exerscise. Also two children have died apart > from those given above(all living at present).Their > details follow > > With best wishes and regards > Ranade > > > > > > --- rongaunt wrote: > > > > To all interested in this question of 2nd, 3rd > births > etc. > > Does anyone have birth details of say four or more > children to > the same mother. We could then check what appears > to work > best. > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:10:42 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Dear Sourav Guchhait, > > > >1. For 1st child, 5th & 11 th cusps are taken > in > >judging " Is child birth promised or not? " in > examples > for both male > >and female, and generally houses 2, 5 and 11 are > judged for the time > >of child birth, examples for male p 224 & p 227, > and > example for > >female p 230, KP Reader IV. (2nd is the increase in > number of members > >of family by birth of children; 5th for offspring; > 11th not only > >fruit of one's action, but also 5 th to 7 th > partner, > p 210 KP Reader > >IV) > > > >2. For 2nd child, to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11; > 7th > is 3rd from 5th, > >3rd is younger child, in an example, KP Reader IV, > p > 242. > > > >Best regards, > > > >tw > > > > > > > > > > , Sourav Guchhait > > >wrote: > >> Dear Mr.Raichur,Yogesh Rao Lajmiji and tw, > >> > >> My opinion is :- > >> 5'th cusp sublord signifying houses 2,5,11 means > birth > >> of 1'st child is promised. If 5th sublord > signifies > >> 2,5,11 " then only " one should check for 7th cusp > >> sublord for 2'nd child(without " 1'st " it is not > >> possible for having " 2'nd " including > miscarriage). > >> After that, if 7th cusp sublord signifies 2,7,11 > then > >> birth of 2'nd child is promised. > >> > >> I have two questions:- > >> > >> How can we calculate considering the 3rd cusp of > the > >> 1st Born, a Sibling promised or not? (3'rd cusp > >> sublord signifying 2,3,11 houses ? 2 is 12 to 3!) > >> > >> Also, How can we calculate considering the 11th > cusp > >> of the 2nd Born, there is an Elder sibling or > not? > >> (11'th cusp sublord signifying 2,11 ? Means good > >> income!) > >> > >> - Regards > >> Sourav. > >> > >> > >> --- tw853 wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > >> > >> Is it not the same as mentioned in Msg # 1774, > >> > >> " to judge houses 2,5,7, and 11 for second > conception, > >> KP > >> Reader IV, p 242 (for timing of child birth in > >> general) " > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> tw > >> > >> , Yogesh Rao > Lajmi > >> > >> wrote: > >> > Dear Mr.Raichur, > >> > The VIIth cusp,can,like > any > >> other cusp, > >> stand for different things,but it depends upon > the > >> astrologer to > >> select the appropriate significations,for the > >> particular > >> query/judgement,don't you think so ? > >> > For example the Vth can > >> denote a lover,a > >> child or a card-game,opponent's > victory/gain...and > so > >> on,depending > >> upon the circumstances prevailing,or, being > considered > === message truncated === ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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