Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS The event was the birth of a child. The relevant houses are 2 for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of Rahu sub Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence all important de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is in the star of Jupiter, so there is intimate and close connection between Jupiter and Rahu. Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of Venus sub of Saturn, hence there may be some delay in having the first child. Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both are in the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence associated with Rahu. Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a child through Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident in 2 and linked through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. DASAS The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be Mo/Ke/Mer. commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's rashi and would appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury is in the sub of Saturn hence likely to delay. Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is promising in that natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with Mercury, in Sag Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th house. In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the author states 'Child birth can only be expected during the period of that planet which is placed favorably in the sub of one occupying or owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only planet fulfilling this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of Venus occupying the 2nd house. Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the conditions is Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th April 1982. However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) runs from 25/4/1982 to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place between 30th Jan to 25th April 1982. SOLAR ECLIPSE AND TRANSITS The last SE before 30th Jan 1982 occurred on 25th Jan 1982. In this we see SE Rahu closely aspecting by trine natal Rahu Lord of the 5th house. SE Rahu is the star of Jupiter and Sub of Venus both which specifically relate to the 5th house and promises success. The Rahu/Ketu axis was approaching opposition/conjunction with the all important anthara lord Mercury. The child was born on 22nd March 1982 when transit Ketu was in close conjunction with natal Mercury and was in Venus star and Mercury sub. Furthermore the sookshma Lord is Rahu for the period 19th Mar to 1st April 1982. Transit Rahu was in Jupiter star and Mercury sub. Also transit Jupiter Lord of 5th exactly opposed natal Moon and transit Jupiter is in Rahu star and Venus sub signifying the appropriate houses. Hence we see the promise of Mercury to produce a child being fulfilled 0n the 22nd Mar 1982 Regarding the question of sex of this child - quoting from 'astrosecrets' Part 1 page 148, the author states " 5th Cusp sublord is Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Jupiter and the 9 divisions Rahu is in the division of the Moon. This is for a male. Similarly for his wife -5th Bhava (from vii)- X1 bhava sub lord is also Rahu which also is found to be the same. " Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Rongaunt Very few got the correct date. So although KP gives a method to get the date of the Event, I feel that more practice is required to get at the correct time of the event. I had therefore suggested that the quizez may be on this TIMING. I missed both the time and SEX rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORSThe event was the birth of a child. The relevant houses are 2for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of Rahu subJupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence all importantde-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is in the star ofJupiter, so there is intimate and close connection betweenJupiter and Rahu.Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of Venus sub of Saturn,hence there may be some delay in having the first child.Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both are inthe 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence associated with Rahu.Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a child throughMercury as 11 house significator who is resident in 2 and linkedthrough Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.DASASThe first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be Mo/Ke/Mer.commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's rashi and wouldappear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury is in the subof Saturn hence likely to delay.Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is promising in thatnatal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with Mercury, in SagJupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th house.In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the author states'Child birth can only be expected during the period of thatplanet which is placed favorably in the sub of one occupying orowning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only planet fulfillingthis condition is Mercury which is in the sub of Venus occupyingthe 2nd house.Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the conditions isMo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th April 1982.However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) runs from 25/4/1982to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place between 30thJan to 25th April 1982.SOLAR ECLIPSE AND TRANSITSThe last SE before 30th Jan 1982 occurred on 25th Jan 1982. Inthis we see SE Rahu closely aspecting by trine natal Rahu Lord ofthe 5th house. SE Rahu is the star of Jupiter and Sub of Venusboth which specifically relate to the 5th house and promisessuccess.The Rahu/Ketu axis was approaching opposition/conjunction with the all important anthara lord Mercury. The child was born on22nd March 1982 when transit Ketu was in close conjunction withnatal Mercury and was in Venus star and Mercury sub.Furthermore the sookshma Lord is Rahu for the period 19th Mar to1st April 1982. Transit Rahu was in Jupiter star and Mercurysub. Also transit Jupiter Lord of 5th exactly opposed natal Moonand transit Jupiter is in Rahu star and Venus sub signifying theappropriate houses.Hence we see the promise of Mercury to produce a child beingfulfilled 0n the 22nd Mar 1982Regarding the question of sex of this child - quoting from'astrosecrets' Part 1 page 148, the author states "5th Cuspsublord is Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Jupiter and the 9divisions Rahu is in the division of the Moon. This is for amale. Similarly for his wife -5th Bhava (from vii)- X1 bhavasub lord is also Rahu which also is found to be the same."Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hi, I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could you please answer them? Please look for ***. , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > > The event was the birth of a child. The relevant houses are 2 > for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > > Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of Rahu sub > Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence all important > de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is in the star of > Jupiter, so there is intimate and close connection between > Jupiter and Rahu. > > Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of Venus sub of Saturn, > hence there may be some delay in having the first child. > Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both are in > the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence associated with Rahu. > > Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a child through > Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident in 2 and linked > through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. *** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should promise a child or there is a OR condition? > > > DASAS > > The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be Mo/Ke/Mer. > commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's rashi and would > appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury is in the sub > of Saturn hence likely to delay. > > Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is promising in that > natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with Mercury, in Sag > Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th house. > In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the author states > 'Child birth can only be expected during the period of that > planet which is placed favorably in the sub of one occupying or > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only planet fulfilling > this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of Venus occupying > the 2nd house. > > Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the conditions is > Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th April 1982. > However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) runs from 25/4/1982 > to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place between 30th > Jan to 25th April 1982. *** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of 2 and 11 respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on the result? Since nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to leave out ketu period, and Mercury period as well. And hence landed up with the dasa sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my assumption wrong? What is the exact rule regarding this? Thanks is advance, Mandar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Mandar, Please see replies ++.....................++ Ron Gaunt On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi, > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could you please answer >them? Please look for ***. > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS >> >> The event was the birth of a child. The relevant houses are 2 >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. >> >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of Rahu sub >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence all important >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is in the star of >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close connection between >> Jupiter and Rahu. >> >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of Venus sub of Saturn, >> hence there may be some delay in having the first child. >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both are in >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence associated with Rahu. >> >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a child through >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident in 2 and linked >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should promise a child or >there is a OR condition? ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should promise a child. However, I am relatively new to KP and if this is not correct I would appreciate views from experienced members. ++ >> >> >> DASAS >> >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be Mo/Ke/Mer. >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's rashi and would >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury is in the sub >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. >> >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is promising in that >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with Mercury, in Sag >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th house. >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the author states >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the period of that >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of one occupying or >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only planet fulfilling >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of Venus occupying >> the 2nd house. >> >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the conditions is >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th April 1982. >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) runs from 25/4/1982 >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place between 30th >> Jan to 25th April 1982. >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of 2 and 11 >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on the result? Since >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to leave out ketu >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence landed up with the dasa >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my assumption wrong? What >is the exact rule regarding this? > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot quote a rule. I simply took it for granted that if a planet which is " placed favorably in the sub of one occupying or owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event would fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced members can answer. ++ >Thanks is advance, >Mandar > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Thanks Ron for your reply. For others, can anybody throw some light on my queries? Stating here again: 1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. But it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoning for this? 2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signify any one of 2,5,11th cusp? - Mandar --- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > Mandar, > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > you please answer > >them? Please look for ***. > > > > , rongaunt > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > >> > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > relevant houses are 2 > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > >> > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of > Rahu sub > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > all important > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > in the star of > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > connection between > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > >> > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > Venus sub of Saturn, > >> hence there may be some delay in having the first > child. > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > are in > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > associated with Rahu. > >> > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > child through > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident > in 2 and linked > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > promise a child or > >there is a OR condition? > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > promise a > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > and if this is > not correct I would appreciate views from > experienced > members. ++ > >> > >> > >> DASAS > >> > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be > Mo/Ke/Mer. > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's > rashi and would > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury > is in the sub > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > >> > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > promising in that > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with > Mercury, in Sag > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > house. > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > author states > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > period of that > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > one occupying or > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > planet fulfilling > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of > Venus occupying > >> the 2nd house. > >> > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > conditions is > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > April 1982. > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > runs from 25/4/1982 > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place > between 30th > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of > 2 and 11 > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on > the result? Since > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to > leave out ketu > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > landed up with the dasa > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > assumption wrong? What > >is the exact rule regarding this? > > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > quote a rule. > I simply took it for granted that if a > planet which is > " placed favorably in the sub of one occupying > or > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event > would > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced > members can > answer. ++ > > >Thanks is advance, > >Mandar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Mandar, " Very simple,My Dear Dr.Watson...", In K.P.,the node is always stronger,to give results...and a lot depends upon the sub in which it is posited... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! Mandar Behere <mandarbehere wrote: Thanks Ron for your reply.For others, can anybody throw some light on myqueries?Stating here again:1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I leftKetu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. Butit seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoningfor this?2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Subshould signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signifyany one of 2,5,11th cusp?- Mandar--- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:> > Mandar,> > Please see replies ++.....................++> > Ron Gaunt> > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:> > >> >> >Hi,> >> >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could> you please answer> >them? Please look for ***.> >> > , rongaunt> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> >> > >> > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS> >> > >> The event was the birth of a child. The> relevant houses are 2> >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.> >> > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of> Rahu sub> >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence> all important> >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is> in the star of> >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close> connection between> >> Jupiter and Rahu.> >> > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of> Venus sub of Saturn,> >> hence there may be some delay in having the first> child.> >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both> are in> >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence> associated with Rahu.> >> > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a> child through> >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident> in 2 and linked> >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.> >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should> promise a child or> >there is a OR condition? > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should> promise a > child. However, I am relatively new to KP> and if this is> not correct I would appreciate views from> experienced > members. ++> >> > >> > >> DASAS> >> > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be> Mo/Ke/Mer.> >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's> rashi and would> >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury> is in the sub> >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.> >> > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is> promising in that> >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with> Mercury, in Sag> >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th> house.> >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the> author states> >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the> period of that> >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of> one occupying or> >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only> planet fulfilling> >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of> Venus occupying> >> the 2nd house.> >> > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the> conditions is> >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th> April 1982.> >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)> runs from 25/4/1982> >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place> between 30th> >> Jan to 25th April 1982.> >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of> 2 and 11> >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on> the result? Since> >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to> leave out ketu> >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence> landed up with the dasa> >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my> assumption wrong? What> >is the exact rule regarding this?> >> ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot> quote a rule. > I simply took it for granted that if a > planet which is > "placed favorably in the sub of one occupying> or> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event> would > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced> members can > answer. ++> > >Thanks is advance,> >Mandar> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Mander, ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. kanak bosmia >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere > > >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) > >Thanks Ron for your reply. > >For others, can anybody throw some light on my >queries? >Stating here again: >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. But >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoning >for this? >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signify >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? > >- Mandar >--- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > > > > Mandar, > > > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > > you please answer > > >them? Please look for ***. > > > > > > , rongaunt > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > > >> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > > relevant houses are 2 > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > > >> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of > > Rahu sub > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > > all important > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > > in the star of > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > > connection between > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > > >> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > > Venus sub of Saturn, > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the first > > child. > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > > are in > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > > associated with Rahu. > > >> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > > child through > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident > > in 2 and linked > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > > promise a child or > > >there is a OR condition? > > > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > > promise a > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > > and if this is > > not correct I would appreciate views from > > experienced > > members. ++ > > >> > > >> > > >> DASAS > > >> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be > > Mo/Ke/Mer. > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's > > rashi and would > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury > > is in the sub > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > > >> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > > promising in that > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with > > Mercury, in Sag > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > > house. > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > > author states > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > > period of that > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > > one occupying or > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > > planet fulfilling > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of > > Venus occupying > > >> the 2nd house. > > >> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > > conditions is > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > > April 1982. > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > > runs from 25/4/1982 > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place > > between 30th > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of > > 2 and 11 > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on > > the result? Since > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to > > leave out ketu > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > > landed up with the dasa > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > > assumption wrong? What > > >is the exact rule regarding this? > > > > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > > quote a rule. > > I simply took it for granted that if a > > planet which is > > "placed favorably in the sub of one occupying > > or > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event > > would > > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced > > members can > > answer. ++ > > > > >Thanks is advance, > > >Mandar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51 and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects since node is stronger than planet. Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house. Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. What am I missing here? Thanks for your reply. - Mandar --- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote: Dear Mander, ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. kanak bosmia >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere > > >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) > >Thanks Ron for your reply. > >For others, can anybody throw some light on my >queries? >Stating here again: >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. But >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoning >for this? >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signify >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? > >- Mandar >--- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > > > > Mandar, > > > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > > you please answer > > >them? Please look for ***. > > > > > > , rongaunt > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > > >> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > > relevant houses are 2 > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > > >> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of > > Rahu sub > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > > all important > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > > in the star of > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > > connection between > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > > >> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > > Venus sub of Saturn, > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the first > > child. > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > > are in > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > > associated with Rahu. > > >> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > > child through > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident > > in 2 and linked > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > > promise a child or > > >there is a OR condition? > > > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > > promise a > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > > and if this is > > not correct I would appreciate views from > > experienced > > members. ++ > > >> > > >> > > >> DASAS > > >> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be > > Mo/Ke/Mer. > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's > > rashi and would > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury > > is in the sub > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > > >> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > > promising in that > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with > > Mercury, in Sag > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > > house. > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > > author states > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > > period of that > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > > one occupying or > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > > planet fulfilling > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of > > Venus occupying > > >> the 2nd house. > > >> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > > conditions is > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > > April 1982. > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > > runs from 25/4/1982 > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place > > between 30th > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of > > 2 and 11 > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on > > the result? Since > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to > > leave out ketu > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > > landed up with the dasa > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > > assumption wrong? What > > >is the exact rule regarding this? > > > > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > > quote a rule. > > I simply took it for granted that if a > > planet which is > > " placed favorably in the sub of one occupying > > or > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event > > would > > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced > > members can > > answer. ++ > > > > >Thanks is advance, > > >Mandar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Mandar, As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing... In one of my very recent contribution to this group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply engraved perhaps... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !Mandar Behere <mandarbehere wrote: The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th houseis 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effectssince node is stronger than planet.Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp andhence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house.Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate theeffects when we are considering event related to 2nd. What am I missing here?Thanks for your reply.- Mandar--- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro wrote:Dear Mander,ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. kanak bosmia>Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> > >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis>Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST)>>Thanks Ron for your reply.>>For others, can anybody throw some light on my>queries?>Stating here again:>1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left>Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp.But>it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Anyreasoning>for this?>2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub>should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it cansignify>any one of 2,5,11th cusp?>>- Mandar>--- rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:>> >> > Mandar,> >> > Please see replies ++.....................++> >> > Ron Gaunt> >> >> >> > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >Hi,> > >> > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could> > you please answer> > >them? Please look for ***.> > >> > > , rongaunt> > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > >>> > >>> > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS> > >>> > >> The event was the birth of a child. The> > relevant houses are 2> > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.> > >>> > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the starof> > Rahu sub> > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence> > all important> > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is> > in the star of> > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close> > connection between> > >> Jupiter and Rahu.> > >>> > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of> > Venus sub of Saturn,> > >> hence there may be some delay in having thefirst> > child.> > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both> > are in> > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence> > associated with Rahu.> > >>> > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a> > child through> > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who isresident> > in 2 and linked> > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.> > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should> > promise a child or> > >there is a OR condition?> >> > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should> > promise a> > child. However, I am relatively new to KP> > and if this is> > not correct I would appreciate views from> > experienced> > members. ++> > >>> > >>> > >> DASAS> > >>> > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears tobe> > Mo/Ke/Mer.> > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is inMercury's> > rashi and would> > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seenMercury> > is in the sub> > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.> > >>> > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is> > promising in that> > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associatedwith> > Mercury, in Sag> > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th> > house.> > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the> > author states> > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the> > period of that> > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of> > one occupying or> > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only> > planet fulfilling> > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the subof> > Venus occupying> > >> the 2nd house.> > >>> > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the> > conditions is> > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th> > April 1982.> > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)> > runs from 25/4/1982> > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could takeplace> > between 30th> > >> Jan to 25th April 1982.> > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12thof> > 2 and 11> > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effectson> > the result? Since> > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myselfto> > leave out ketu> > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence> > landed up with the dasa> > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my> > assumption wrong? What> > >is the exact rule regarding this?> > >> > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot> > quote a rule.> > I simply took it for granted that if a> > planet which is> > "placed favorably in the sub of oneoccupying> > or> > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event> > would> > fructify. Again, perhaps moreexperienced> > members can> > answer. ++> >> > >Thanks is advance,> > >Mandar> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Rule is 5th sub cusp should signify 5th or 11th or 2nd, not necessarily all.Mandar Behere <mandarbehere wrote: Thanks Ron for your reply.For others, can anybody throw some light on myqueries?Stating here again:1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I leftKetu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. Butit seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoningfor this?2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Subshould signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signifyany one of 2,5,11th cusp?- Mandar--- rongaunt wrote:> > Mandar,> > Please see replies ++.....................++> > Ron Gaunt> > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:> > >> >> >Hi,> >> >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could> you please answer> >them? Please look for ***.> >> > , rongaunt> wrote:> >> > >> > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS> >> > >> The event was the birth of a child. The> relevant houses are 2> >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.> >> > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of> Rahu sub> >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence> all important> >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is> in the star of> >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close> connection between> >> Jupiter and Rahu.> >> > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of> Venus sub of Saturn,> >> hence there may be some delay in having the first> child.> >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both> are in> >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence> associated with Rahu.> >> > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a> child through> >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident> in 2 and linked> >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.> >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should> promise a child or> >there is a OR condition? > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should> promise a > child. However, I am relatively new to KP> and if this is> not correct I would appreciate views from> experienced > members. ++> >> > >> > >> DASAS> >> > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be> Mo/Ke/Mer.> >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's> rashi and would> >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury> is in the sub> >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.> >> > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is> promising in that> >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with> Mercury, in Sag> >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th> house.> >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the> author states> >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the> period of that> >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of> one occupying or> >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only> planet fulfilling> >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of> Venus occupying> >> the 2nd house.> >> > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the> conditions is> >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th> April 1982.> >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)> runs from 25/4/1982> >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place> between 30th> >> Jan to 25th April 1982.> >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of> 2 and 11> >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on> the result? Since> >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to> leave out ketu> >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence> landed up with the dasa> >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my> assumption wrong? What> >is the exact rule regarding this?> >> ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot> quote a rule. > I simply took it for granted that if a > planet which is > "placed favorably in the sub of one occupying> or> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event> would > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced> members can > answer. ++> > >Thanks is advance,> >Mandar> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Rule is 5th sub cusp should signify 5th or 11th or 2nd, not necessarily all.Mandar Behere <mandarbehere wrote: Thanks Ron for your reply.For others, can anybody throw some light on myqueries?Stating here again:1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I leftKetu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. Butit seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any reasoningfor this?2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Subshould signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can signifyany one of 2,5,11th cusp?- Mandar--- rongaunt wrote:> > Mandar,> > Please see replies ++.....................++> > Ron Gaunt> > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:> > >> >> >Hi,> >> >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could> you please answer> >them? Please look for ***.> >> > , rongaunt> wrote:> >> > >> > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS> >> > >> The event was the birth of a child. The> relevant houses are 2> >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.> >> > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star of> Rahu sub> >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence> all important> >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is> in the star of> >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close> connection between> >> Jupiter and Rahu.> >> > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of> Venus sub of Saturn,> >> hence there may be some delay in having the first> child.> >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both> are in> >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence> associated with Rahu.> >> > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a> child through> >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is resident> in 2 and linked> >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.> >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should> promise a child or> >there is a OR condition? > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should> promise a > child. However, I am relatively new to KP> and if this is> not correct I would appreciate views from> experienced > members. ++> >> > >> > >> DASAS> >> > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to be> Mo/Ke/Mer.> >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in Mercury's> rashi and would> >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen Mercury> is in the sub> >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.> >> > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is> promising in that> >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated with> Mercury, in Sag> >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th> house.> >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the> author states> >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the> period of that> >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of> one occupying or> >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only> planet fulfilling> >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub of> Venus occupying> >> the 2nd house.> >> > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the> conditions is> >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th> April 1982.> >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)> runs from 25/4/1982> >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take place> between 30th> >> Jan to 25th April 1982.> >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th of> 2 and 11> >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects on> the result? Since> >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself to> leave out ketu> >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence> landed up with the dasa> >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my> assumption wrong? What> >is the exact rule regarding this?> >> ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot> quote a rule. > I simply took it for granted that if a > planet which is > "placed favorably in the sub of one occupying> or> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event> would > fructify. Again, perhaps more experienced> members can > answer. ++> > >Thanks is advance,> >Mandar> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are conjoined. 2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting them. 3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl. 4. Lastly the result of the sign. II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 124 1. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl can offer. 2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu or Ketu tenanted. 3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives results to greater extent. KPBC3 III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III, 1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,4 2. Nil 3. Sun indicating 10,1,10 4. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11 IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III, It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H. Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as 1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Mandar, > As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing... > In one of my very recent contribution to this group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply engraved perhaps... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> wrote: > The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51 > and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at > 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not > 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house > is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects > since node is stronger than planet. > > Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and > hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house. > Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the > effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. > > What am I missing here? > > Thanks for your reply. > - Mandar > --- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Mander, > > ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. > > kanak bosmia > > > > > >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> > > > > > >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis > >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) > > > >Thanks Ron for your reply. > > > >For others, can anybody throw some light on my > >queries? > >Stating here again: > >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left > >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. > But > >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any > reasoning > >for this? > >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub > >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can > signify > >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? > > > >- Mandar > >--- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mandar, > > > > > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > > > you please answer > > > >them? Please look for ***. > > > > > > > > , rongaunt > > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > > > >> > > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > > > relevant houses are 2 > > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > > > >> > > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star > of > > > Rahu sub > > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > > > all important > > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > > > in the star of > > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > > > connection between > > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > > > >> > > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > > > Venus sub of Saturn, > > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the > first > > > child. > > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > > > are in > > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > > > associated with Rahu. > > > >> > > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > > > child through > > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is > resident > > > in 2 and linked > > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > > > promise a child or > > > >there is a OR condition? > > > > > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > > > promise a > > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > > > and if this is > > > not correct I would appreciate views from > > > experienced > > > members. ++ > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> DASAS > > > >> > > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to > be > > > Mo/Ke/Mer. > > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in > Mercury's > > > rashi and would > > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen > Mercury > > > is in the sub > > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > > > >> > > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > > > promising in that > > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated > with > > > Mercury, in Sag > > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > > > house. > > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > > > author states > > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > > > period of that > > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > > > one occupying or > > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > > > planet fulfilling > > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub > of > > > Venus occupying > > > >> the 2nd house. > > > >> > > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > > > conditions is > > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > > > April 1982. > > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > > > runs from 25/4/1982 > > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take > place > > > between 30th > > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th > of > > > 2 and 11 > > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects > on > > > the result? Since > > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself > to > > > leave out ketu > > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > > > landed up with the dasa > > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > > > assumption wrong? What > > > >is the exact rule regarding this? > > > > > > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > > > quote a rule. > > > I simply took it for granted that if a > > > planet which is > > > " placed favorably in the sub of one > occupying > > > or > > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event > > > would > > > fructify. Again, perhaps more > experienced > > > members can > > > answer. ++ > > > > > > >Thanks is advance, > > > >Mandar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear tw853, Yes...you are right,therefore, Kethu does represent Merc,the lord of the sign he is posited in... also...but that comes last in strength...Computer Programmes may have given the best houses strengthwise...as the last option is very obvious...perhaps... Thanks for the input... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are conjoined.2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting them.3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl.4. Lastly the result of the sign.II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 1241. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl can offer.2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu or Ketu tenanted.3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives results to greater extent.KPBC3III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III,1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,42. Nil3. Sun indicating 10,1,104. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III,It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H.Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as 1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Mandar,> As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing...> In one of my very recent contribution to this group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply engraved perhaps...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> wrote:> The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51> and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at> 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not> 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house> is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects> since node is stronger than planet.> > Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and> hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house.> Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the> effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. > > What am I missing here?> > Thanks for your reply.> - Mandar> --- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mander,> > ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. > > kanak bosmia> > > > > >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere>> > > > > >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis> >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST)> >> >Thanks Ron for your reply.> >> >For others, can anybody throw some light on my> >queries?> >Stating here again:> >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left> >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp.> But> >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any> reasoning> >for this?> >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub> >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can> signify> >any one of 2,5,11th cusp?> >> >- Mandar> >--- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> >> > >> > > Mandar,> > >> > > Please see replies ++.....................++> > >> > > Ron Gaunt> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >Hi,> > > >> > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could> > > you please answer> > > >them? Please look for ***.> > > >> > > > , rongaunt> > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS> > > >>> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The> > > relevant houses are 2> > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.> > > >>> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star> of> > > Rahu sub> > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence> > > all important> > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is> > > in the star of> > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close> > > connection between> > > >> Jupiter and Rahu.> > > >>> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of> > > Venus sub of Saturn,> > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the> first> > > child.> > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both> > > are in> > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence> > > associated with Rahu.> > > >>> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a> > > child through> > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is> resident> > > in 2 and linked> > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.> > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should> > > promise a child or> > > >there is a OR condition?> > >> > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should> > > promise a> > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP> > > and if this is> > > not correct I would appreciate views from> > > experienced> > > members. ++> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> DASAS> > > >>> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to> be> > > Mo/Ke/Mer.> > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in> Mercury's> > > rashi and would> > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen> Mercury> > > is in the sub> > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.> > > >>> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is> > > promising in that> > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated> with> > > Mercury, in Sag> > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th> > > house.> > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the> > > author states> > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the> > > period of that> > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of> > > one occupying or> > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only> > > planet fulfilling> > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub> of> > > Venus occupying> > > >> the 2nd house.> > > >>> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the> > > conditions is> > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th> > > April 1982.> > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)> > > runs from 25/4/1982> > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take> place> > > between 30th> > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982.> > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th> of> > > 2 and 11> > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects> on> > > the result? Since> > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself> to> > > leave out ketu> > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence> > > landed up with the dasa> > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my> > > assumption wrong? What> > > >is the exact rule regarding this?> > > >> > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot> > > quote a rule.> > > I simply took it for granted that if a> > > planet which is> > > "placed favorably in the sub of one> occupying> > > or> > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event> > > would> > > fructify. Again, perhaps more> experienced> > > members can> > > answer. ++> > >> > > >Thanks is advance,> > > >Mandar> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yogesh, tw and any others interested, As a beginner in KP I have watched the priority order of Rahu and Ketu substitution as stated below. What I have noticed is that authors do always stick to this order. ie. they may quote the sign ruler as operative, when say Rahu is closely conjoined to a planet. It appears that there is at least a suspicion that the Rahu and Ketu can represent ALL rather than just the obvious one ie the first in rank order. This could be likened to a group of students around a Guru. There will be one who is predominant and close to the teacher. There will be others occasionally active and those who will be peripheral and seldom take active part. However, occasionally to make a point or when predominant students are not participating, the Guru may focus his attention on the inactive student because the point is very relevant to his situation. Any comments or observations on whether only one planet is represented by the Node or all factors are represented? Ron Gaunt On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:21:03 +0000, you wrote: >Dear tw853, > Yes...you are right,therefore, Kethu does represent Merc,the lord of the sign he is posited in... also...but that comes last in strength...Computer Programmes may have given the best houses strengthwise...as the last option is very obvious...perhaps... > Thanks for the input... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > > >tw853 <tw853 wrote: > >Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > >I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 > >1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are >conjoined. > >2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting >them. > >3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl. > >4. Lastly the result of the sign. > > >II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 124 > >1. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl >can offer. > >2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu >or Ketu tenanted. > >3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives >results to greater extent. > > >KPBC3 > >III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III, > >1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,4 >2. Nil >3. Sun indicating 10,1,10 >4. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11 > >IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III, > >It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H. > >Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as >1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. > > >tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> >wrote: >> Dear Mandar, >> As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence >it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it >thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing... >> In one of my very recent contribution to this >group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper >one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should >have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all >over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply >engraved perhaps... >> Yours sincerely, >> lyrastro1 >> GOOD LUCK ! >> >> Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> wrote: >> The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51 >> and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at >> 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not >> 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house >> is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects >> since node is stronger than planet. >> >> Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and >> hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house. >> Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the >> effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. >> >> What am I missing here? >> >> Thanks for your reply. >> - Mandar >> --- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Dear Mander, >> >> ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. >> >> kanak bosmia >> >> >> >> >> >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> >> > >> > >> >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis >> >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) >> > >> >Thanks Ron for your reply. >> > >> >For others, can anybody throw some light on my >> >queries? >> >Stating here again: >> >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left >> >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. >> But >> >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any >> reasoning >> >for this? >> >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub >> >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can >> signify >> >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? >> > >> >- Mandar >> >--- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Mandar, >> > > >> > > Please see replies ++.....................++ >> > > >> > > Ron Gaunt >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >Hi, >> > > > >> > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could >> > > you please answer >> > > >them? Please look for ***. >> > > > >> > > > , rongaunt >> > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS >> > > >> >> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The >> > > relevant houses are 2 >> > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. >> > > >> >> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star >> of >> > > Rahu sub >> > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence >> > > all important >> > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is >> > > in the star of >> > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close >> > > connection between >> > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. >> > > >> >> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of >> > > Venus sub of Saturn, >> > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the >> first >> > > child. >> > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both >> > > are in >> > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence >> > > associated with Rahu. >> > > >> >> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a >> > > child through >> > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is >> resident >> > > in 2 and linked >> > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. >> > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should >> > > promise a child or >> > > >there is a OR condition? >> > > >> > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should >> > > promise a >> > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP >> > > and if this is >> > > not correct I would appreciate views from >> > > experienced >> > > members. ++ >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> DASAS >> > > >> >> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to >> be >> > > Mo/Ke/Mer. >> > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in >> Mercury's >> > > rashi and would >> > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen >> Mercury >> > > is in the sub >> > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. >> > > >> >> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is >> > > promising in that >> > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated >> with >> > > Mercury, in Sag >> > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th >> > > house. >> > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the >> > > author states >> > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the >> > > period of that >> > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of >> > > one occupying or >> > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only >> > > planet fulfilling >> > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub >> of >> > > Venus occupying >> > > >> the 2nd house. >> > > >> >> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the >> > > conditions is >> > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th >> > > April 1982. >> > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) >> > > runs from 25/4/1982 >> > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take >> place >> > > between 30th >> > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. >> > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th >> of >> > > 2 and 11 >> > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects >> on >> > > the result? Since >> > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself >> to >> > > leave out ketu >> > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence >> > > landed up with the dasa >> > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my >> > > assumption wrong? What >> > > >is the exact rule regarding this? >> > > > >> > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot >> > > quote a rule. >> > > I simply took it for granted that if a >> > > planet which is >> > > " placed favorably in the sub of one >> occupying >> > > or >> > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event >> > > would >> > > fructify. Again, perhaps more >> experienced >> > > members can >> > > answer. ++ >> > > >> > > >Thanks is advance, >> > > >Mandar >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dear Ron Gaunt, 1. No suspicion that Nodes can represent ALL as explained simultaneously in three KP Readers, after crowing discovery of Sbl by research and further research has crowned him with success; a. KP Reader III, 1984, Part One, p.137-144 b. KP Reader V, 1983, p. 137-144 c. KP Reader VI, 1978, p. 81-87 2. What mentioned in p 123-124, KP Reader III, p 123-124, KP Reader V & p 307-313, Astrosecrets & KP, Part I is the importance given to Nodes with priotization, which is a specific feature of KP. Best regards, tw , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Yogesh, tw and any others interested, > > As a beginner in KP I have watched the priority order of Rahu and > Ketu substitution as stated below. What I have noticed is > that authors do always stick to this order. ie. they may quote > the sign ruler as operative, when say Rahu is closely conjoined > to a planet. > > It appears that there is at least a suspicion that the Rahu and > Ketu can represent ALL rather than just the obvious one ie the > first in rank order. This could be likened to a group of > students around a Guru. There will be one who is predominant > and close to the teacher. There will be others occasionally > active and those who will be peripheral and seldom take active > part. However, occasionally to make a point or when > predominant students are not participating, the Guru may focus > his attention on the inactive student because the point is very > relevant to his situation. > > Any comments or observations on whether only one planet is > represented by the Node or all factors are represented? > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:21:03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear tw853, > > Yes...you are right,therefore, Kethu does represent Merc,the lord of the sign he is posited in... also...but that comes last in strength...Computer Programmes may have given the best houses strengthwise...as the last option is very obvious...perhaps... > > Thanks for the input... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > > > > >tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > >Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > > >I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 > > > >1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are > >conjoined. > > > >2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting > >them. > > > >3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl. > > > >4. Lastly the result of the sign. > > > > > >II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 124 > > > >1. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl > >can offer. > > > >2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu > >or Ketu tenanted. > > > >3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives > >results to greater extent. > > > > > >KPBC3 > > > >III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III, > > > >1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,4 > >2. Nil > >3. Sun indicating 10,1,10 > >4. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11 > > > >IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III, > > > >It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H. > > > >Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as > >1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. > > > > > >tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > >wrote: > >> Dear Mandar, > >> As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence > >it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it > >thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing... > >> In one of my very recent contribution to this > >group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper > >one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should > >have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all > >over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply > >engraved perhaps... > >> Yours sincerely, > >> lyrastro1 > >> GOOD LUCK ! > >> > >> Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> wrote: > >> The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51 > >> and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at > >> 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not > >> 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house > >> is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects > >> since node is stronger than planet. > >> > >> Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and > >> hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house. > >> Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the > >> effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. > >> > >> What am I missing here? > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. > >> - Mandar > >> --- Kanakkumar Bosmia <kanbosastro@h...> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Mander, > >> > >> ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. > >> > >> kanak bosmia > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Mandar Behere <mandarbehere> > >> > > >> > > >> >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis > >> >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) > >> > > >> >Thanks Ron for your reply. > >> > > >> >For others, can anybody throw some light on my > >> >queries? > >> >Stating here again: > >> >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left > >> >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. > >> But > >> >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any > >> reasoning > >> >for this? > >> >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub > >> >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can > >> signify > >> >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? > >> > > >> >- Mandar > >> >--- rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Mandar, > >> > > > >> > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > >> > > > >> > > Ron Gaunt > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > >> > > you please answer > >> > > >them? Please look for ***. > >> > > > > >> > > > , rongaunt > >> > > <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > >> > > relevant houses are 2 > >> > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star > >> of > >> > > Rahu sub > >> > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > >> > > all important > >> > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > >> > > in the star of > >> > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > >> > > connection between > >> > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > >> > > Venus sub of Saturn, > >> > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the > >> first > >> > > child. > >> > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > >> > > are in > >> > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > >> > > associated with Rahu. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > >> > > child through > >> > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is > >> resident > >> > > in 2 and linked > >> > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > >> > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > >> > > promise a child or > >> > > >there is a OR condition? > >> > > > >> > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > >> > > promise a > >> > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > >> > > and if this is > >> > > not correct I would appreciate views from > >> > > experienced > >> > > members. ++ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> DASAS > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to > >> be > >> > > Mo/Ke/Mer. > >> > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in > >> Mercury's > >> > > rashi and would > >> > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen > >> Mercury > >> > > is in the sub > >> > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > >> > > promising in that > >> > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated > >> with > >> > > Mercury, in Sag > >> > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > >> > > house. > >> > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > >> > > author states > >> > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > >> > > period of that > >> > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > >> > > one occupying or > >> > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > >> > > planet fulfilling > >> > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub > >> of > >> > > Venus occupying > >> > > >> the 2nd house. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > >> > > conditions is > >> > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > >> > > April 1982. > >> > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > >> > > runs from 25/4/1982 > >> > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take > >> place > >> > > between 30th > >> > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > >> > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th > >> of > >> > > 2 and 11 > >> > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects > >> on > >> > > the result? Since > >> > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself > >> to > >> > > leave out ketu > >> > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > >> > > landed up with the dasa > >> > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > >> > > assumption wrong? What > >> > > >is the exact rule regarding this? > >> > > > > >> > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > >> > > quote a rule. > >> > > I simply took it for granted that if a > >> > > planet which is > >> > > " placed favorably in the sub of one > >> occupying > >> > > or > >> > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event > >> > > would > >> > > fructify. Again, perhaps more > >> experienced > >> > > members can > >> > > answer. ++ > >> > > > >> > > >Thanks is advance, > >> > > >Mandar > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Usually the highest priority is given to the Planet conjoined with Rahu. Here one must use the Western orbs for conjunction. Next the Star Lord, and last the Sign Lord of rahu's occupation. I have known astrologers, who consider all these effects, while predicting. good luck rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: Yogesh, tw and any others interested,As a beginner in KP I have watched the priority order of Rahu andKetu substitution as stated below. What I have noticed isthat authors do always stick to this order. ie. they may quotethe sign ruler as operative, when say Rahu is closely conjoinedto a planet. It appears that there is at least a suspicion that the Rahu andKetu can represent ALL rather than just the obvious one ie thefirst in rank order. This could be likened to a group ofstudents around a Guru. There will be one who is predominantand close to the teacher. There will be others occasionallyactive and those who will be peripheral and seldom take activepart. However, occasionally to make a point or whenpredominant students are not participating, the Guru may focushis attention on the inactive student because the point is veryrelevant to his situation. Any comments or observations on whether only one planet isrepresented by the Node or all factors are represented?Ron GauntOn Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:21:03 +0000, you wrote:>Dear tw853,> Yes...you are right,therefore, Kethu does represent Merc,the lord of the sign he is posited in... also...but that comes last in strength...Computer Programmes may have given the best houses strengthwise...as the last option is very obvious...perhaps...> Thanks for the input...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> >>tw853 wrote:>>Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, >>>I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 >>1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are >conjoined.>>2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting >them.>>3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl.>>4. Lastly the result of the sign.>>>II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 124>>1. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl >can offer.>>2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu >or Ketu tenanted.>>3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives >results to greater extent.>>>KPBC3>>III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III,>>1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,4>2. Nil>3. Sun indicating 10,1,10>4. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11>>IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III,>>It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H.>>Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as >1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. >>>tw>>>> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi >wrote:>> Dear Mandar,>> As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence >it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it >thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing...>> In one of my very recent contribution to this >group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper >one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should >have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all >over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply >engraved perhaps...>> Yours sincerely,>> lyrastro1>> GOOD LUCK !>> >> Mandar Behere wrote:>> The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51>> and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at>> 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not>> 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house>> is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects>> since node is stronger than planet.>> >> Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and>> hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house.>> Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the>> effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. >> >> What am I missing here?>> >> Thanks for your reply.>> - Mandar>> --- Kanakkumar Bosmia wrote:>> >> >> >> >> Dear Mander,>> >> ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. >> >> kanak bosmia>> >> >> >> >> >Mandar Behere >> > >> > >> >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis>> >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST)>> >>> >Thanks Ron for your reply.>> >>> >For others, can anybody throw some light on my>> >queries?>> >Stating here again:>> >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left>> >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp.>> But>> >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any>> reasoning>> >for this?>> >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub>> >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can>> signify>> >any one of 2,5,11th cusp?>> >>> >- Mandar>> >--- rongaunt wrote:>> >>> > >>> > > Mandar,>> > >>> > > Please see replies ++.....................++>> > >>> > > Ron Gaunt>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote:>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >Hi,>> > > >>> > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could>> > > you please answer>> > > >them? Please look for ***.>> > > >>> > > > , rongaunt>> > > wrote:>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS>> > > >>>> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The>> > > relevant houses are 2>> > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire.>> > > >>>> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star>> of>> > > Rahu sub>> > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence>> > > all important>> > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is>> > > in the star of>> > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close>> > > connection between>> > > >> Jupiter and Rahu.>> > > >>>> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of>> > > Venus sub of Saturn,>> > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the>> first>> > > child.>> > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both>> > > are in>> > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence>> > > associated with Rahu.>> > > >>>> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a>> > > child through>> > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is>> resident>> > > in 2 and linked>> > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house.>> > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should>> > > promise a child or>> > > >there is a OR condition?>> > >>> > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should>> > > promise a>> > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP>> > > and if this is>> > > not correct I would appreciate views from>> > > experienced>> > > members. ++>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> DASAS>> > > >>>> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to>> be>> > > Mo/Ke/Mer.>> > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in>> Mercury's>> > > rashi and would>> > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen>> Mercury>> > > is in the sub>> > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay.>> > > >>>> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is>> > > promising in that>> > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated>> with>> > > Mercury, in Sag>> > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th>> > > house.>> > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the>> > > author states>> > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the>> > > period of that>> > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of>> > > one occupying or>> > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only>> > > planet fulfilling>> > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub>> of>> > > Venus occupying>> > > >> the 2nd house.>> > > >>>> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the>> > > conditions is>> > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th>> > > April 1982.>> > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury)>> > > runs from 25/4/1982>> > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take>> place>> > > between 30th>> > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982.>> > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th>> of>> > > 2 and 11>> > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects>> on>> > > the result? Since>> > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself>> to>> > > leave out ketu>> > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence>> > > landed up with the dasa>> > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my>> > > assumption wrong? What>> > > >is the exact rule regarding this?>> > > >>> > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot>> > > quote a rule.>> > > I simply took it for granted that if a>> > > planet which is>> > > "placed favorably in the sub of one>> occupying>> > > or>> > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th". the event>> > > would>> > > fructify. Again, perhaps more>> experienced>> > > members can>> > > answer. ++>> > >>> > > >Thanks is advance,>> > > >Mandar>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 1. If one must use the Western orbs, which one is preferrable 8* orb by Dr. Walter Coleman and Prof. Thomas Coleman , Dixie Turner, Malvin Artley, Glyph Test or 8*- 9* orb by Val Harrison or 10* orb by Dr. Nauman, or 13* by McCullough ? 2. Who are known astrlogers to study their views? 3. KP has own orbs as follows; Applying Seperating Sun 12* 17* Moon 8* 12* Other planets 6* 8* good luck , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > Usually the highest priority is given to the Planet conjoined with Rahu. Here one must use the Western orbs for conjunction. Next the Star Lord, and last the Sign Lord of rahu's occupation. > > I have known astrologers, who consider all these effects, while predicting. > > good luck > > > rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > > Yogesh, tw and any others interested, > > As a beginner in KP I have watched the priority order of Rahu and > Ketu substitution as stated below. What I have noticed is > that authors do always stick to this order. ie. they may quote > the sign ruler as operative, when say Rahu is closely conjoined > to a planet. > > It appears that there is at least a suspicion that the Rahu and > Ketu can represent ALL rather than just the obvious one ie the > first in rank order. This could be likened to a group of > students around a Guru. There will be one who is predominant > and close to the teacher. There will be others occasionally > active and those who will be peripheral and seldom take active > part. However, occasionally to make a point or when > predominant students are not participating, the Guru may focus > his attention on the inactive student because the point is very > relevant to his situation. > > Any comments or observations on whether only one planet is > represented by the Node or all factors are represented? > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:21:03 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear tw853, > > Yes...you are right,therefore, Kethu does represent Merc,the lord of the sign he is posited in... also...but that comes last in strength...Computer Programmes may have given the best houses strengthwise...as the last option is very obvious...perhaps... > > Thanks for the input... > > Yours sincerely, > > lyrastro1 > > > > > >tw853 wrote: > > > >Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > > > > >I. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 123 > > > >1. Rahu & Kethu indicates the results of planet which they are > >conjoined. > > > >2. If no planet in conjunction, the results of planets aspecting > >them. > > > >3. If neither conjoined nor aspected, the results of the Stl. > > > >4. Lastly the result of the sign. > > > > > >II. KP Reader III, 1984, Part I, p. 124 > > > >1. Rahu or Kethu gives results to greater extent than what Stl > >can offer. > > > >2. Imagine as though Stl is posited in that house in which Rahu > >or Ketu tenanted. > > > >3. Also imagine that Stl is posited in that bhava. And it gives > >results to greater extent. > > > > > >KPBC3 > > > >III. As per rules in p. 123, KP Reader III, > > > >1. Saturn signifying 1,10,10,3,4 > >2. Nil > >3. Sun indicating 10,1,10 > >4. Mercury indicating 2,2,7,12,8,11 > > > >IV. As per explanation in p. 124, KP Reader III, > > > >It is imagined as though Sun is posited in 10H. > > > >Note: Computer results are showing basic houses signified by Kethu as > >1,10, 10, by Raichur or any other. > > > > > >tw > > > > > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > >wrote: > >> Dear Mandar, > >> As Mr.Bosmia says,Kethu is in Merc's sign,hence > >it represents Merc...pl. read chapter on Nodes...and study it > >thoroughly,you will find out what you are missing... > >> In one of my very recent contribution to this > >group,I have mentioned about how a superfluous reading can hamper > >one's judgement...one more suggestion,while studying K.P., one should > >have his mind CLEANED OF all previous learning...and begin anew all > >over...to avoid possible confusions due to past impressions deeply > >engraved perhaps... > >> Yours sincerely, > >> lyrastro1 > >> GOOD LUCK ! > >> > >> Mandar Behere wrote: > >> The chart for KPBC3 shows that Ketu is at 6-0-20-51 > >> and hence posited in 10th cusp (11th cusp starts at > >> 6-15-4-39). So Ketu would signify 10th house and not > >> 11th house. Is this correct? If so, since 10th house > >> is 12th of 11th, Ketu would give negative effects > >> since node is stronger than planet. > >> > >> Also start lord of Ketu is Sun posited in 1st cusp and > >> hence ketu also signifies 1st i.e. 12th of 2nd house. > >> Hence in this way as well, ketu will negate the > >> effects when we are considering event related to 2nd. > >> > >> What am I missing here? > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. > >> - Mandar > >> --- Kanakkumar Bosmia wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Mander, > >> > >> ketu is in sign of mer and mer is lord of 11th. > >> > >> kanak bosmia > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Mandar Behere > >> > > >> > > >> >Re: Re: KPBC3 Analysis > >> >Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:23:14 -0800 (PST) > >> > > >> >Thanks Ron for your reply. > >> > > >> >For others, can anybody throw some light on my > >> >queries? > >> >Stating here again: > >> >1. in KPBC3, while choosing the Dasa sequence, I left > >> >Ketu, since Ketu was signifying 1st and 10th cusp. > >> But > >> >it seems that Ketu only gave the result. Any > >> reasoning > >> >for this? > >> >2. For having a child is it necessary that 5th Sub > >> >should signify 2 AND 5 AND 11th cusp or it can > >> signify > >> >any one of 2,5,11th cusp? > >> > > >> >- Mandar > >> >--- rongaunt wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Mandar, > >> > > > >> > > Please see replies ++.....................++ > >> > > > >> > > Ron Gaunt > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 07:04:52 +0000, you wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > >I have few queries regarding the analysis. Could > >> > > you please answer > >> > > >them? Please look for ***. > >> > > > > >> > > > , rongaunt > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> HOUSES AND SIGNIFICATORS > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The event was the birth of a child. The > >> > > relevant houses are 2 > >> > > >> for family, 5 for children, and 11 for desire. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Lord of 2 and 5 is Jupiter who is in the star > >> of > >> > > Rahu sub > >> > > >> Jupiter. Natal Rahu is in Jupiter Rasi hence > >> > > all important > >> > > >> de-facto ruler of the 5th house. Natal Rahu is > >> > > in the star of > >> > > >> Jupiter, so there is intimate and close > >> > > connection between > >> > > >> Jupiter and Rahu. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Lord of 11 is Mercury who is in the star of > >> > > Venus sub of Saturn, > >> > > >> hence there may be some delay in having the > >> first > >> > > child. > >> > > >> Natal Mercury is associated with Venus and both > >> > > are in > >> > > >> the 2nd house disposed by Jupiter hence > >> > > associated with Rahu. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Therefore all 3 houses 2,5, and 11, promise a > >> > > child through > >> > > >> Mercury as 11 house significator who is > >> resident > >> > > in 2 and linked > >> > > >> through Jupiter and Rahu to the 5th house. > >> > > >*** Is it mandatory that all the 3 houses should > >> > > promise a child or > >> > > >there is a OR condition? > >> > > > >> > > ++ I have taken it myself that all 3 houses should > >> > > promise a > >> > > child. However, I am relatively new to KP > >> > > and if this is > >> > > not correct I would appreciate views from > >> > > experienced > >> > > members. ++ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> DASAS > >> > > >> > >> > > >> The first appropriate dasa sequence appears to > >> be > >> > > Mo/Ke/Mer. > >> > > >> commencing 31st Aug 1980. Ketu is in > >> Mercury's > >> > > rashi and would > >> > > >> appear ideal. However, as we have seen > >> Mercury > >> > > is in the sub > >> > > >> of Saturn hence likely to delay. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Mo/Ve starts 30th Sep 1980. Venus Buhkti is > >> > > promising in that > >> > > >> natal Venus is in the 2nd house, associated > >> with > >> > > Mercury, in Sag > >> > > >> Jupiter's rashi which is the same for the 5th > >> > > house. > >> > > >> In Handbook of Astrology Part 1 page 47 the > >> > > author states > >> > > >> 'Child birth can only be expected during the > >> > > period of that > >> > > >> planet which is placed favorably in the sub of > >> > > one occupying or > >> > > >> owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th.' The only > >> > > planet fulfilling > >> > > >> this condition is Mercury which is in the sub > >> of > >> > > Venus occupying > >> > > >> the 2nd house. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Therefore the dasa sequence that fulfills the > >> > > conditions is > >> > > >> Mo/Ve/Me which runs from 30th Jan 1982 to 25th > >> > > April 1982. > >> > > >> However Mo/Ve/Ke (Ke substitutes for Mercury) > >> > > runs from 25/4/1982 > >> > > >> to 31st May 1982. So the birth could take > >> place > >> > > between 30th > >> > > >> Jan to 25th April 1982. > >> > > >*** Since ketu is signifiying 1 and 10 i.e. 12th > >> of > >> > > 2 and 11 > >> > > >respectively, wouldn't it give negative effects > >> on > >> > > the result? Since > >> > > >nodes are stronger than planets, I forced myself > >> to > >> > > leave out ketu > >> > > >period, and Mercury period as well. And hence > >> > > landed up with the dasa > >> > > >sequence Moon/Ven/Ven or Moon/Ven/Moon. Was my > >> > > assumption wrong? What > >> > > >is the exact rule regarding this? > >> > > > > >> > > ++ Sorry due to my inexperience in KP I cannot > >> > > quote a rule. > >> > > I simply took it for granted that if a > >> > > planet which is > >> > > " placed favorably in the sub of one > >> occupying > >> > > or > >> > > owning the 2nd,5th, or the 11th " . the event > >> > > would > >> > > fructify. Again, perhaps more > >> experienced > >> > > members can > >> > > answer. ++ > >> > > > >> > > >Thanks is advance, > >> > > >Mandar > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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