KPBC3 Answer.

December 3, 2004

The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

correctly came up with the child being a boy.

Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

Ron Gaunt

.................................................................................\

.....

I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

In these dates also i feel last week of may.

Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

Thanks.

Regards

Vinay Tiwari

.................................................................................\

..............................

I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

wet, so

trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

up

with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

- so

please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

choices.:-) This

is a learning experience for me.)

My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

be

during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

to

August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

conclude

(using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

15, 1981

through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

sequences of

Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

Venus' sign

of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

Transit

prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

(Jupiter) star

lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

is

transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

11th

and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

5th

house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

a

difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

believe the

sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

choosing male

is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

I am

not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

would

love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

26,

1981

My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

April

27, 1982.

This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

we may

all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

seasoned

in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

comments

about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

Thanks.

December 3, 2004

Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

Best wishes and regards,

tw

P.S.

Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior than

transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double

transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange sublord

of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed the

test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

passed the test.

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

> one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

> boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

> chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

> Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

> correctly came up with the child being a boy.

>

> Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

>

> Ron Gaunt

> ....................................................................

.................

>

> I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

> would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

> 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

>

> In these dates also i feel last week of may.

>

> Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Regards

> Vinay Tiwari

>

> ....................................................................

..........................................

>

> I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

> wet, so

> trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

> up

> with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

> - so

> please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

> choices.:-) This

> is a learning experience for me.)

>

> My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

> be

> during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

> to

> August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

> conclude

> (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

> 15, 1981

> through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

> sequences of

> Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

>

> My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

> Venus' sign

> of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

> Transit

> prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

> (Jupiter) star

> lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

> is

> transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

> 11th

> and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

> 5th

> house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

> a

> difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

> believe the

> sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

> choosing male

> is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

> I am

> not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

> would

> love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

>

> My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

> 26,

> 1981

>

> My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

> April

> 27, 1982.

>

> This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

> we may

> all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

> seasoned

> in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

> comments

> about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

> Thanks.

December 3, 2004

SirJI ,

Thanks a lot for appreciation which i need more from guruz like you.But i still feel , i was not upto mark.I need more to do.

I am an Computer engineer , where i deal with communication . for me either it's 0 or 1.

Here it was 0.

Need more help and guidence from you all.

Thanks again sir.

Kind Regards

Vinay Tiwari.tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.Best wishes and regards,twP.S.Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior than transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange sublord of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed the test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also passed the test. , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No> one got

the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a> boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he> chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.> Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also> correctly came up with the child being a boy. > > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.> > > Ron Gaunt> ....................................................................................> > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child> would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before> 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .> > In these dates also i feel last week of may.> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.> > Thanks.> > Regards> Vinay Tiwari> >

..............................................................................................................> > > > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet> wet, so> trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came> up> with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system> - so> please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my> choices.:-) This> is a learning experience for me.)> > > > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would> be> during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981> to> August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably> conclude> (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May> 15, 1981> through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha> sequences

of> Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.> > > > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord> Venus' sign> of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).> Transit> prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's> (Jupiter) star> lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and> is> transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal> 11th> and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal> 5th> house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply> a> difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I> believe the> sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for> choosing male> is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as> I am> not familiar with KP's way to

determine the sex of a child, and> would> love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)> > > > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October> 26,> 1981> > > > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through> April> 27, 1982.> > > > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so> we may> all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and> seasoned> in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any> comments> about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.> Thanks.

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December 3, 2004

Dears Ron & Tw893,

Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate results ?

Yours 'ly,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.Best wishes and regards,twP.S.Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior than transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange sublord of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed the test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also passed the test. , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No> one got

the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a> boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he> chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.> Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also> correctly came up with the child being a boy. > > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.> > > Ron Gaunt> ....................................................................................> > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child> would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before> 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .> > In these dates also i feel last week of may.> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.> > Thanks.> > Regards> Vinay Tiwari> >

..............................................................................................................> > > > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet> wet, so> trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came> up> with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system> - so> please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my> choices.:-) This> is a learning experience for me.)> > > > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would> be> during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981> to> August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably> conclude> (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May> 15, 1981> through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha> sequences

of> Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.> > > > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord> Venus' sign> of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).> Transit> prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's> (Jupiter) star> lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and> is> transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal> 11th> and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal> 5th> house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply> a> difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I> believe the> sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for> choosing male> is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as> I am> not familiar with KP's way to

determine the sex of a child, and> would> love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)> > > > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October> 26,> 1981> > > > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through> April> 27, 1982.> > > > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so> we may> all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and> seasoned> in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any> comments> about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.> Thanks.

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December 3, 2004

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

Let us see some more samples.

How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

him to bring his wife?.

Best regards,

tw

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dears Ron & Tw893,

> Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate

results ?

> Yours 'ly,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

>

> Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

>

> Best wishes and regards,

>

> tw

>

> P.S.

>

> Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior

than

> transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

> dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double

> transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange

sublord

> of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed

the

> test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

> dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

> passed the test.

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

> > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

> > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

> > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

> > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

> > correctly came up with the child being a boy.

> >

> > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

>

> ....................................................................

> ................

> >

> > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

> > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

> > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

> >

> > In these dates also i feel last week of may.

> >

> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Regards

> > Vinay Tiwari

> >

>

> ....................................................................

> .........................................

> >

> > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

> > wet, so

> > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

> > up

> > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

> > - so

> > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

> > choices.:-) This

> > is a learning experience for me.)

> >

> > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

> > be

> > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

> > to

> > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

> > conclude

> > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

> > 15, 1981

> > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

> > sequences of

> > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

> >

> > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

> > Venus' sign

> > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

> > Transit

> > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

> > (Jupiter) star

> > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

> > is

> > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

> > 11th

> > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

> > 5th

> > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

> > a

> > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

> > believe the

> > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

> > choosing male

> > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

> > I am

> > not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

> > would

> > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

> >

> > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

> > 26,

> > 1981

> >

> > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

> > April

> > 27, 1982.

> >

> > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

> > we may

> > all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

> > seasoned

> > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

> > comments

> > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

> > Thanks.

>

December 3, 2004

Dear TW and

Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Ron, and Group,

TW –

thanks for your kind congratulatory words…

Yogesh Rao

Lagmi wrote:

Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart

will give better and more accurate results ?

Yours

'ly,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

WHY??? Because

only 2 people out of 8 came close? I’m amused. Does KP boast a 100%

accuracy rate? I agree that having the charts of BOTH parents would have made delineation

a bit easier – but in real life – that isn’t always an

option…

TW –

wrote:

How can we refuse a male

asking whether he can have a child and tell

him to bring his wife?.

I agree

TW… Perhaps it is time for participation on Blind charts from you, Mr.

Yogesh Rao Lajmi, to demonstrate both your point and your expertise in KP

delineation – which brings me to my next point...

Yogesh Rao

Lagmi – With all due respect, I believe you are a bit over the top with many of your

posts…this being another post of a few that I have observed in the short

time I have been a member of this list….Anyway – allow me to

respond to your accusations of my personal motivations before I

…

You wrote:

Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,

I

was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no

place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement

purposes...

Members are requested to stick to

Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a " hotch-potch " of " the various Vedic

Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove

one's point anywhich way,end up

with nothing worthwhile... "

I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this

group...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Interesting

diatribe…Are Eclipses part of KP? You don’t know me - nor do you

know what my motivations are. I was simply respectfully responding to a

question put forth by a list member – nothing more… simply sharing

a technique. Now although I am a seasoned astrologer of 35 years, I am not

experienced in KP and thought this list might be a good place to start after a

respected colleague of mine - Ron Gaunt - mentioned the list to me. So, for the

record, I have just begun my journey of studying KP – therefore I am not

familiar with what techniques are accepted by KP, and what techniques are

rejected by KP. For that I apologize. However, you certainly set me

straight real quick. Forgive me if I crossed the line of list discussion

– I meant no disrespect.

However, due to

the derogatory manner in which I was addressed (directly and indirectly) by you

on 2 separate occasions – you can rest assured that I will not be posting

to this KP list anymore. You see, I was not trying to “prove”

anything, and unfortunately, for whatever your reasons, you have painted an inaccurate picture of my motives to this

list, while showing a great deal of disrespect towards me. I have little

tolerance for unprovoked verbal hostility on any list. Your comments on a few

occasions were unnecessary and quite immature. You could have brought forth

your point about amsa’s, “any amsa’s”, in a kinder

manner – like Anant Raichur did – without resorting to implying to

other list members your own delusional assumptions about others, or suggesting

such absurd inaccuracies of my personal motivations – such as - to

“prove one’s point any which way”. You couldn’t be

further from the truth…I have nothing to prove, nor do I have any need to

prove anything.

And again:

Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of old...and I had mentioned it especially for those who are

interested in more research etc...the " in-thing "

abroad...I guess...

Hmm…Guess

you don’t like the fact that I enjoy “research”?

At any rate,

I have no time for this nonsense. But I do wish you and the list all the best

and hope you will at least think about the manner and tone with which you come

across to others in your plight to exert your authority/superiority on this

list. Goodbye and GOOD LUCK! J

P.S. Message

for Ron Gaunt with respect to KPBC3:

Ron - In

Vinay’s assessment dates for the birth of the child he states the dates

of 5/12/82 to 5/30/82 (May) and states that these

dates fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha. There is some mistake here because these May

dates he predicted do not fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha, but rather in a Mo/Ve/Ra

dasha. The birth took place, according to your post, on 3/22/82 – which is March – not May. I just wanted to bring

that to your attention in case list members are following the Blind Charts.

Thanks.

All the

Best,

Sandy

Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

tw853

[tw853]

Friday,

December 03, 2004 10:26 AM

Re: KPBC3

Answer.

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

Let us see some more samples.

How can we refuse a male asking whether he can

have a child and tell

him to bring his wife?.

Best regards,

tw

, Yogesh Rao

Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dears Ron & Tw893,

>

Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

contention that the mother's chart will give

better and more accurate

results ?

>

Yours 'ly,

>

lyrastro1

>

GOOD LUCK !

>

> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>

> Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

>

> Congratulations for the correct choice of

dasa sequence.

>

> Best wishes and regards,

>

> tw

>

> P.S.

>

> Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me

that dasa is superior

than

> transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than

Rahu, but Mercury was

> dropped out because no more transit Jupiter

in Virgo forming double

> transit. Anyway basic principles are working

except a strange

sublord

> of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets

I & III passed

the

> test for child's sex. And if the child birth

is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

> dasa sequence, an experimental method in p

236, KP Reader IV also

> passed the test.

>

> , rongaunt

<rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > The test was to find the birth date and

sex of a child. No

> > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

> > boy. However, Vinay

was close, with only one selection he

> > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

> > Sandy also selected this

sequence as her third choice. She also

> > correctly came up with the child being a

boy.

> >

> > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown

for reference.

> >

> > Ron Gaunt

>

> ....................................................................

> ................

> >

> > I am very new to this

field.After calculation I feel the child

> > would have born in may 1982 probably

after 12 th may and before

> > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

> >

> > In these dates also i feel last week of

may.

> >

> > Lets C what I am going to learn more

with the results.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Regards

> > Vinay Tiwari

> >

>

.....................................................................

> .........................................

> >

> > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP

feet

> > wet, so

> > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on

this blind chart, I came

> > up

> > with the following. (I am just beginning

my study of this system

> > - so

> > please bear with me as I could be off

the wall with my

> > choices.:-) This

> > is a learning experience for me.)

> >

> > My first choice for this subject being

blessed with a child would

> > be

> > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the

period from May 7, 1981

> > to

> > August 5, 1981. The strongest

time frame that I can reasonably

> > conclude

> > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the

dates encompassing May

> > 15, 1981

> > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate

running dasha

> > sequences of

> > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

> >

> > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time

occupies bhukti lord

> > Venus' sign

> > of Taurus in the 11th from the

prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

> > Transit

> > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is

natal 5th lord's

> > (Jupiter) star

> > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's

(Moon) sign of Cancer, and

> > is

> > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th

house, and 11th from natal

> > 11th

> > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor

and star lord of the natal

> > 5th

> > house) possibly indicating a long or

complicated labor, or simply

> > a

> > difficult labor with a few false starts

(braxton hicks). I

> > believe the

> > sex of the first born child is male, and

my conclusion for

> > choosing male

> > is based purely on the 7th varga

(D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

> > I am

> > not familiar with KP's way to determine

the sex of a child, and

> > would

> > love it if anyone on the list cares to

share that info. :-)

> >

> > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

> > 26,

> > 1981

> >

> > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

> > April

> > 27, 1982.

> >

> > This was fun.I hope others will

participate in these exercises so

> > we may

> > all learn from those on this list who

are more experienced and

> > seasoned

> > in KP, and therefore more accurate in

their assessments. Any

> > comments

> > about where my logic appears to be

fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

> > Thanks.

>

December 3, 2004

Respected sandyji,

I request you to be on this group.

And regarding dates yaa there was mistake,

when i analysed i used KP anaymsa , but when i posted i forgot to change the anayamsa

in application .Blindly i looked for the date according to calculation for mon-ven-mer-rah. it came may , which was lahiri system. Analysis was on different date and i posted on different date.I am very much new , infact this was my first attempt to blind chart in this group. There may be chances that by mistake i reached to the dasa .But i am satisfied , I went accoding to books.

I am attaching analysis below,

13/11/2004 19:07 Vikhroli mumbai.RP: sat,sun,2sat,ven,mar,jup,2sun=========Birth child:

2,5,11=============================================================2nd cusp : Ju-Ke-Sat________________________

occupant: mar-mer-venplan in mar nak:= none , mar lord of 1 and 6.plan in ven nak:= mon,mer,mon lord of 9 placed in 6, mer lord of 11 and 8plan in mer nak:= no , sub ven_______________________________

house Lord : JupPlane in jup nak :=Rahu , placed in 4th

===============================================================5th cusp : ju-sa-ju_____________________occupant: NoneLord Jupplan in jup nak : Rahu aspect : mar , mar (2)________________________ ================================================================11th cusp : me-mo-ju________________________occupant: none,lord: mer: no sub ven,mer main

==================================rah represents : Jup,ket represnts ; sun

================================

mon-mer-ven-rah

between:28-01-1982 :''''-sat25-04-1982 :mon-ven-mer

Sandy Crowther <sandy wrote:

Dear TW and Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Ron, and Group,

TW – thanks for your kind congratulatory words…

Yogesh Rao Lagmi wrote:

Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate results ?

Yours 'ly,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

WHY??? Because only 2 people out of 8 came close? I’m amused. Does KP boast a 100% accuracy rate? I agree that having the charts of BOTH parents would have made delineation a bit easier – but in real life – that isn’t always an option…

TW – wrote:

How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell him to bring his wife?.

I agree TW… Perhaps it is time for participation on Blind charts from you, Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmi, to demonstrate both your point and your expertise in KP delineation – which brings me to my next point...

Yogesh Rao Lagmi – With all due respect, I believe you are a bit over the top with many of your posts…this being another post of a few that I have observed in the short time I have been a member of this list….Anyway – allow me to respond to your accusations of my personal motivations before I …

You wrote:

Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,

I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes...

Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."

I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Interesting diatribe…Are Eclipses part of KP? You don’t know me - nor do you know what my motivations are. I was simply respectfully responding to a question put forth by a list member – nothing more… simply sharing a technique. Now although I am a seasoned astrologer of 35 years, I am not experienced in KP and thought this list might be a good place to start after a respected colleague of mine - Ron Gaunt - mentioned the list to me. So, for the record, I have just begun my journey of studying KP – therefore I am not familiar with what techniques are accepted by KP, and what techniques are rejected by KP. For that I apologize. However, you certainly set me straight real quick. Forgive me if I crossed the line of list discussion – I meant no disrespect.

However, due to the derogatory manner in which I was addressed (directly and indirectly) by you on 2 separate occasions – you can rest assured that I will not be posting to this KP list anymore. You see, I was not trying to “prove” anything, and unfortunately, for whatever your reasons, you have painted an inaccurate picture of my motives to this list, while showing a great deal of disrespect towards me. I have little tolerance for unprovoked verbal hostility on any list. Your comments on a few occasions were unnecessary and quite immature. You could have brought forth your point about amsa’s, “any amsa’s”, in a kinder manner – like Anant Raichur did – without resorting to implying to other list members your own delusional

assumptions about others, or suggesting such absurd inaccuracies of my personal motivations – such as - to “prove one’s point any which way”. You couldn’t be further from the truth…I have nothing to prove, nor do I have any need to prove anything.

And again:

Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of old...and I had mentioned it especially for those who are interested in more research etc...the "in-thing" abroad...I guess...

Hmm…Guess you don’t like the fact that I enjoy “research”?

At any rate, I have no time for this nonsense. But I do wish you and the list all the best and hope you will at least think about the manner and tone with which you come across to others in your plight to exert your authority/superiority on this list. Goodbye and GOOD LUCK! J

P.S. Message for Ron Gaunt with respect to KPBC3:

Ron - In Vinay’s assessment dates for the birth of the child he states the dates of 5/12/82 to 5/30/82 (May) and states that these dates fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha. There is some mistake here because these May dates he predicted do not fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha, but rather in a Mo/Ve/Ra dasha. The birth took place, according to your post, on 3/22/82 – which is March – not May. I just wanted to bring that to your attention in case list members are following the Blind Charts. Thanks.

All the Best,

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

tw853 [tw853] Friday, December 03, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: KPBC3 Answer.

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,Let us see some more samples.How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell him to bring his wife?.Best regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dears Ron & Tw893,> Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate results ?> Yours 'ly,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,> > Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.> > Best wishes and regards,> > tw>

> > P.S.> > Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior than > transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was > dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double > transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange sublord > of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed the > test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during

Mo-Ve-Me-Ma > dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also > passed the test. > > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No> > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a> > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he> > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.> > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also> > correctly came up with the child being a boy. > > > > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.> > > > > > Ron Gaunt> > ....................................................................> ................> > > > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child> > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before> > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .> > > > In these dates also i feel last week of may.> >

> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.> > > > Thanks.> > > > Regards> > Vinay Tiwari> > > > ....................................................................> .........................................> > > > > > > > I had a few minutes over the

Holiday week-end to get my KP feet> > wet, so> > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came> > up> > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system> > - so> > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my> > choices.:-) This> > is a learning experience for

me.)> > > > > > > > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would> > be> > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981> > to> > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame

that I can reasonably> > conclude> > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May> > 15, 1981> > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha> > sequences of> > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.> > > > > > > > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord> > Venus' sign> > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).> > Transit> > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's> > (Jupiter) star> > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and> > is> > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal> >

11th> > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal> > 5th> > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply> > a> > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I> > believe the> > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for> > choosing male> > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as> > I am> > not familiar with KP's way to determine

the sex of a child, and> > would> > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)> > > > > > > > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October> > 26,> > 1981> > > >

> > > > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through> > April> > 27, 1982.> > > > > > > > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so> > we may> > all learn from

those on this list who are more experienced and> > seasoned> > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any> > comments> > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.> > Thanks.> > > > >

December 3, 2004

Shri sandy ji,

we all are GURU BANDU , pls dont leave group

regards

kanak bosmia

>Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit

>

>RE: Re: KPBC3 Answer.

>Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:42:11 -0800 (PST)

>

>Respected sandyji,

>

> I request you to be on this group.

>

>And regarding dates yaa there was mistake,

>when i analysed i used KP anaymsa , but when i posted i forgot to change the anayamsa

>in application .Blindly i looked for the date according to calculation for mon-ven-mer-rah. it came may , which was lahiri system. Analysis was on different date and i posted on different date.I am very much new , infact this was my first attempt to blind chart in this group. There may be chances that by mistake i reached to the dasa .But i am satisfied , I went accoding to books.

>I am attaching analysis below,

>

>13/11/2004 19:07 Vikhroli mumbai.

>RP: sat,sun,2sat,ven,mar,jup,2sun

>=========

>Birth child:

>2,5,11

>=============================================================

>2nd cusp : Ju-Ke-Sat

>________________________

>occupant: mar-mer-ven

>plan in mar nak:= none , mar lord of 1 and 6.

>plan in ven nak:= mon,mer,

>mon lord of 9 placed in 6, mer lord of 11 and 8

>plan in mer nak:= no , sub ven

>_______________________________

>house Lord : Jup

>Plane in jup nak :=Rahu , placed in 4th

>===============================================================

>5th cusp : ju-sa-ju

>_____________________

>occupant: None

>Lord Jup

>plan in jup nak : Rahu

>aspect : mar , mar (2)

>________________________

>

>================================================================

>11th cusp : me-mo-ju

>________________________

>occupant: none,

>lord: mer: no sub ven,

>mer main

>==================================

>rah represents : Jup,

>ket represnts ; sun

>================================

>

>mon-mer-ven-rah

>

>between:

>28-01-1982 :''''-sat

>25-04-1982 :mon-ven-mer

>

>Sandy Crowther <sandy wrote:

>

>Dear TW and Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Ron, and Group,

>

>TW – thanks for your kind congratulatory words…

>

>Yogesh Rao Lagmi wrote:

>

>Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate results ?

>

> Yours 'ly,

>

> lyrastro1

>

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>WHY??? Because only 2 people out of 8 came close? I’m amused. Does KP boast a 100% accuracy rate? I agree that having the charts of BOTH parents would have made delineation a bit easier – but in real life – that isn’t always an option…

>

>TW – wrote:

>

>How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

>him to bring his wife?.

>

>I agree TW… Perhaps it is time for participation on Blind charts from you, Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmi, to demonstrate both your point and your expertise in KP delineation – which brings me to my next point...

>

>Yogesh Rao Lagmi – With all due respect, I believe you are a bit over the top with many of your posts…this being another post of a few that I have observed in the short time I have been a member of this list….Anyway – allow me to respond to your accusations of my personal motivations before I …

>

>You wrote:

>

>Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,

>

> I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes...

>

> Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."

>

> I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group...

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> lyrastro1

>

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>Interesting diatribe…Are Eclipses part of KP? You don’t know me - nor do you know what my motivations are. I was simply respectfully responding to a question put forth by a list member – nothing more… simply sharing a technique. Now although I am a seasoned astrologer of 35 years, I am not experienced in KP and thought this list might be a good place to start after a respected colleague of mine - Ron Gaunt - mentioned the list to me. So, for the record, I have just begun my journey of studying KP – therefore I am not familiar with what techniques are accepted by KP, and what techniques are rejected by KP. For that I apologize. However, you certainly set me straight real quick. Forgive me if I crossed the line of list discussion – I meant no disrespect.

>

>However, due to the derogatory manner in which I was addressed (directly and indirectly) by you on 2 separate occasions – you can rest assured that I will not be posting to this KP list anymore. You see, I was not trying to “prove” anything, and unfortunately, for whatever your reasons, you have painted an inaccurate picture of my motives to this list, while showing a great deal of disrespect towards me. I have little tolerance for unprovoked verbal hostility on any list. Your comments on a few occasions were unnecessary and quite immature. You could have brought forth your point about amsa’s, “any amsa’s”, in a kinder manner – like Anant Raichur did – without resorting to implying to other list members your own delusional assumptions about others, or suggesting such absurd inaccuracies of my personal motivations – such as - to “prove one’s point any which way”. You couldn’t be further from the truth…I have nothing to prove, nor do I have any need to prove anything.

>

>And again:

>

>Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of old...and I had mentioned it especially for those who are interested in more research etc...the "in-thing" abroad...I guess...

>

>Hmm…Guess you don’t like the fact that I enjoy “research”?

>

>At any rate, I have no time for this nonsense. But I do wish you and the list all the best and hope you will at least think about the manner and tone with which you come across to others in your plight to exert your authority/superiority on this list. Goodbye and GOOD LUCK! J

>

>P.S. Message for Ron Gaunt with respect to KPBC3:

>

>Ron - In Vinay’s assessment dates for the birth of the child he states the dates of 5/12/82 to 5/30/82 (May) and states that these dates fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha. There is some mistake here because these May dates he predicted do not fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha, but rather in a Mo/Ve/Ra dasha. The birth took place, according to your post, on 3/22/82 – which is March – not May. I just wanted to bring that to your attention in case list members are following the Blind Charts. Thanks.

>

> All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

>tw853 [tw853]

>Friday, December 03, 2004 10:26 AM

>

> Re: KPBC3 Answer.

>

>Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

>

>Let us see some more samples.

>

>How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

>him to bring his wife?.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

>wrote:

> > Dears Ron & Tw893,

> > Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

>contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate

>results ?

> > Yours 'ly,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

> >

> > Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

> >

> > Best wishes and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > P.S.

> >

> > Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior

>than

> > transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

> > dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double

> > transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange

>sublord

> > of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed

>the

> > test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

> > dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

> > passed the test.

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

> > > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

> > > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

> > > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

> > > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

> > > correctly came up with the child being a boy.

> > >

> > > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> >

> > ....................................................................

> > ................

> > >

> > > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

> > > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

> > > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

> > >

> > > In these dates also i feel last week of may.

> > >

> > > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Vinay Tiwari

> > >

> >

> > ....................................................................

> > .........................................

> > >

> > > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

> > > wet, so

> > > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

> > > up

> > > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

> > > - so

> > > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

> > > choices.:-) This

> > > is a learning experience for me.)

> > >

> > > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

> > > be

> > > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

> > > to

> > > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

> > > conclude

> > > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

> > > 15, 1981

> > > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

> > > sequences of

> > > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

> > >

> > > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

> > > Venus' sign

> > > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

> > > Transit

> > > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

> > > (Jupiter) star

> > > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

> > > is

> > > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

> > > 11th

> > > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

> > > 5th

> > > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

> > > a

> > > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

> > > believe the

> > > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

> > > choosing male

> > > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

> > > I am

> > > not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

> > > would

> > > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

> > >

> > > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

> > > 26,

> > > 1981

> > >

> > > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

> > > April

> > > 27, 1982.

> > >

> > > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

> > > we may

> > > all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

> > > seasoned

> > > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

> > > comments

> > > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

> > > Thanks.

> >

December 3, 2004

Dear Sandy,

I echo the thoughts of other members and ask you to reconsider

your decision to leave the Group. I feel certain that Yogesh

was not being vindictive, but as moderator just concerned that

the introduction of other forms of astrology would create

distractions.

I must admit that I have introduced the idea of the Solar

Eclipse. But this is not really a different system, as the way

I use it is exactly as I use transits. So it is simply a

special type of transit, and as such will fit into all systems of

astrology - as they all use transits. If this is not

acceptable to members I will stop posting SE details;

however, there is no way that I would stop using them myself as I

consider that the SE is the crucible of events. In my

experience over many years the SE always shows appropriate

planetary aspects to the natal chart for the major event due to

unfold. SEs also are very appropriate for KP theory, and I

think this system will make them even more useful.

Sandy with your experience I suspect that you will find KP and

excellent tool, and it is on a List such as this one can fast

track the learning process.

All the best

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:15:37 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear TW and Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Ron, and Group,

>

>TW - thanks for your kind congratulatory words.

>

>Yogesh Rao Lagmi wrote:

>

>Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's chart

>will give better and more accurate results ?

>

> Yours 'ly,

>

> lyrastro1

>

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>WHY??? Because only 2 people out of 8 came close? I'm amused. Does KP

>boast a 100% accuracy rate? I agree that having the charts of BOTH

>parents would have made delineation a bit easier - but in real life -

>that isn't always an option.

>

>TW - wrote:

>

>How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

>him to bring his wife?.

>

>I agree TW. Perhaps it is time for participation on Blind charts from

>you, Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmi, to demonstrate both your point and your

>expertise in KP delineation - which brings me to my next point...

>

>Yogesh Rao Lagmi - With all due respect, I believe you are a bit over

>the top with many of your posts.this being another post of a few that I

>have observed in the short time I have been a member of this

>list..Anyway - allow me to respond to your accusations of my personal

>motivations before I .

>

>You wrote:

>

>Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,

>

> I was under

>the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place

>for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for

>judgement purposes...

>

> Members are

>requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only

>arrive at a " hotch-potch " of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in

>our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing

>worthwhile... "

>

> I

>sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this

>group...

>

> Yours

>sincerely,

>

>lyrastro1

>

> GOOD LUCK

>!

>

>Interesting diatribe.Are Eclipses part of KP? You don't know me - nor do

>you know what my motivations are. I was simply respectfully responding

>to a question put forth by a list member - nothing more. simply sharing

>a technique. Now although I am a seasoned astrologer of 35 years, I am

>not experienced in KP and thought this list might be a good place to

>start after a respected colleague of mine - Ron Gaunt - mentioned the

>list to me. So, for the record, I have just begun my journey of studying

>KP - therefore I am not familiar with what techniques are accepted by

>KP, and what techniques are rejected by KP. For that I apologize.

>However, you certainly set me straight real quick. Forgive me if I

>crossed the line of list discussion - I meant no disrespect.

>

>However, due to the derogatory manner in which I was addressed (directly

>and indirectly) by you on 2 separate occasions - you can rest assured

>that I will not be posting to this KP list anymore. You see, I was not

>trying to " prove " anything, and unfortunately, for whatever your

>reasons, you have painted an inaccurate picture of my motives to this

>list, while showing a great deal of disrespect towards me. I have little

>tolerance for unprovoked verbal hostility on any list. Your comments on

>a few occasions were unnecessary and quite immature. You could have

>brought forth your point about amsa's, " any amsa's " , in a kinder manner

>- like Anant Raichur did - without resorting to implying to other list

>members your own delusional assumptions about others, or suggesting such

>absurd inaccuracies of my personal motivations - such as - to " prove

>one's point any which way " . You couldn't be further from the truth.I

>have nothing to prove, nor do I have any need to prove anything.

>

>And again:

>

>Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of old...and

>I had mentioned it especially for those who are interested in more

>research etc...the " in-thing " abroad...I guess...

>

>Hmm.Guess you don't like the fact that I enjoy " research " ?

>

>At any rate, I have no time for this nonsense. But I do wish you and the

>list all the best and hope you will at least think about the manner and

>tone with which you come across to others in your plight to exert your

>authority/superiority on this list. Goodbye and GOOD LUCK! :-)

>

>P.S. Message for Ron Gaunt with respect to KPBC3:

>

>Ron - In Vinay's assessment dates for the birth of the child he states

>the dates of 5/12/82 to 5/30/82 (May) and states that these dates fall

>in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha. There is some mistake here because these May dates

>he predicted do not fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha, but rather in a Mo/Ve/Ra

>dasha. The birth took place, according to your post, on 3/22/82 - which

>is March - not May. I just wanted to bring that to your attention in

>case list members are following the Blind Charts. Thanks.

>

> All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

>tw853 [tw853]

>Friday, December 03, 2004 10:26 AM

>

> Re: KPBC3 Answer.

>

>Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

>

>Let us see some more samples.

>

>How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

>him to bring his wife?.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

>wrote:

>> Dears Ron & Tw893,

>> Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

>contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate

>results ?

>> Yours 'ly,

>> lyrastro1

>> GOOD LUCK !

>>

>> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

>>

>> Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

>>

>> Best wishes and regards,

>>

>> tw

>>

>> P.S.

>>

>> Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior

>than

>> transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

>> dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double

>> transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange

>sublord

>> of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed

>the

>> test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

>> dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

>> passed the test.

>>

>> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

>> > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

>> > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

>> > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

>> > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

>> > correctly came up with the child being a boy.

>> >

>> > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

>> >

>> > Ron Gaunt

>>

>> ....................................................................

>> ................

>> >

>> > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

>> > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

>> > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

>> >

>> > In these dates also i feel last week of may.

>> >

>> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

>> >

>> > Thanks.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Vinay Tiwari

>> >

>>

>> ....................................................................

>> .........................................

>> >

>> > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

>> > wet, so

>> > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

>> > up

>> > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

>> > - so

>> > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

>> > choices.:-) This

>> > is a learning experience for me.)

>> >

>> > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

>> > be

>> > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

>> > to

>> > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

>> > conclude

>> > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

>> > 15, 1981

>> > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

>> > sequences of

>> > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

>> >

>> > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

>> > Venus' sign

>> > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

>> > Transit

>> > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

>> > (Jupiter) star

>> > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

>> > is

>> > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

>> > 11th

>> > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

>> > 5th

>> > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

>> > a

>> > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

>> > believe the

>> > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

>> > choosing male

>> > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

>> > I am

>> > not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

>> > would

>> > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

>> >

>> > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

>> > 26,

>> > 1981

>> >

>> > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

>> > April

>> > 27, 1982.

>> >

>> > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

>> > we may

>> > all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

>> > seasoned

>> > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

>> > comments

>> > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

>> > Thanks.

>>

December 4, 2004

Dear Yogesh,

I echo tw sentiments. Whilst I agree that looking at the

mother's chart would be more appropriate, sometimes this may not

be possible.

If such inconsequential matters as timing the arrival of a

person at your home is a valid matter for enquiry, surely the

birth and arrival of one's own child into the home should be an

important part in a male's life, and presumably should show up in

relation to the natal chart.

We have had a lot of discussion on the question of whether and

how to assess the male's chart for a birth. So I would point

out that the events for the native of KPBC2 & 3 are taken from

Astrosecrets Part 1 pages 160 (for marriage) and 148 (for birth

of the child). In these we see the author has exclusively used

the chart of the father.

All the best

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:25:51 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

>

>Let us see some more samples.

>

>How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and tell

>him to bring his wife?.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

>wrote:

>> Dears Ron & Tw893,

>> Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

>contention that the mother's chart will give better and more accurate

>results ?

>> Yours 'ly,

>> lyrastro1

>> GOOD LUCK !

>>

>> tw853 <tw853> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

>>

>> Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

>>

>> Best wishes and regards,

>>

>> tw

>>

>> P.S.

>>

>> Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior

>than

>> transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

>> dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming double

>> transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange

>sublord

>> of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed

>the

>> test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-Ma

>> dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

>> passed the test.

>>

>> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

>> > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

>> > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

>> > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

>> > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She also

>> > correctly came up with the child being a boy.

>> >

>> > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

>> >

>> > Ron Gaunt

>>

>> ....................................................................

>> ................

>> >

>> > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the child

>> > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

>> > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

>> >

>> > In these dates also i feel last week of may.

>> >

>> > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

>> >

>> > Thanks.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > Vinay Tiwari

>> >

>>

>> ....................................................................

>> .........................................

>> >

>> > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

>> > wet, so

>> > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I came

>> > up

>> > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

>> > - so

>> > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

>> > choices.:-) This

>> > is a learning experience for me.)

>> >

>> > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child would

>> > be

>> > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

>> > to

>> > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

>> > conclude

>> > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

>> > 15, 1981

>> > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

>> > sequences of

>> > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

>> >

>> > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

>> > Venus' sign

>> > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

>> > Transit

>> > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

>> > (Jupiter) star

>> > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

>> > is

>> > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

>> > 11th

>> > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the natal

>> > 5th

>> > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or simply

>> > a

>> > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

>> > believe the

>> > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

>> > choosing male

>> > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

>> > I am

>> > not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

>> > would

>> > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

>> >

>> > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through October

>> > 26,

>> > 1981

>> >

>> > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

>> > April

>> > 27, 1982.

>> >

>> > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises so

>> > we may

>> > all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

>> > seasoned

>> > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

>> > comments

>> > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

>> > Thanks.

>>

December 4, 2004

Dear Vinay Tiwari,

It's okay. I believe you. Early mornig I also checked the date and

dasa sequence, but I thought it was just a slight difference. May be

I was also confused. Don't worry, Man, idea is more important.

Wishing you all the best,

tw

, Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit>

wrote:

> Respected sandyji,

>

> I request you to be on this group.

>

> And regarding dates yaa there was mistake,

> when i analysed i used KP anaymsa , but when i posted i forgot to

change the anayamsa

> in application .Blindly i looked for the date according to

calculation for mon-ven-mer-rah. it came may , which was lahiri

system. Analysis was on different date and i posted on different

date.I am very much new , infact this was my first attempt to blind

chart in this group. There may be chances that by mistake i reached

to the dasa .But i am satisfied , I went accoding to books.

> I am attaching analysis below,

>

> 13/11/2004 19:07 Vikhroli mumbai.

> RP: sat,sun,2sat,ven,mar,jup,2sun

> =========

> Birth child:

> 2,5,11

> =============================================================

> 2nd cusp : Ju-Ke-Sat

> ________________________

> occupant: mar-mer-ven

> plan in mar nak:= none , mar lord of 1 and 6.

> plan in ven nak:= mon,mer,

> mon lord of 9 placed in 6, mer lord of 11 and 8

> plan in mer nak:= no , sub ven

> _______________________________

> house Lord : Jup

> Plane in jup nak :=Rahu , placed in 4th

> ===============================================================

> 5th cusp : ju-sa-ju

> _____________________

> occupant: None

> Lord Jup

> plan in jup nak : Rahu

> aspect : mar , mar (2)

> ________________________

>

> ================================================================

> 11th cusp : me-mo-ju

> ________________________

> occupant: none,

> lord: mer: no sub ven,

> mer main

> ==================================

> rah represents : Jup,

> ket represnts ; sun

> ================================

>

> mon-mer-ven-rah

>

> between:

> 28-01-1982 :''''-sat

> 25-04-1982 :mon-ven-mer

Sandy Crowther <sandy@t...> wrote:

>

> Dear TW and Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Ron, and Group,

>

> TW – thanks for your kind congratulatory words…

>

> Yogesh Rao Lagmi wrote:

>

> Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my contention that the mother's

chart will give better and more accurate results ?

>

> Yours 'ly,

>

> lyrastro1

>

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> WHY??? Because only 2 people out of 8 came close? I'm amused. Does

KP boast a 100% accuracy rate? I agree that having the charts of BOTH

parents would have made delineation a bit easier – but in real life –

that isn't always an option…

>

> TW – wrote:

>

> How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and

tell

> him to bring his wife?.

>

> I agree TW… Perhaps it is time for participation on Blind charts

from you, Mr. Yogesh Rao Lajmi, to demonstrate both your point and

your expertise in KP delineation – which brings me to my next

point...

>

> Yogesh Rao Lagmi – With all due respect, I believe you are a bit

over the top with many of your posts…this being another post of a few

that I have observed in the short time I have been a member of this

list….Anyway – allow me to respond to your accusations of my personal

motivations before I …

>

> You wrote:

>

> Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,

>

> I was

under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is

no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas

for judgement purposes...

>

Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else

we will only arrive at a " hotch-potch " of " the various Vedic

Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich

way,end up with nothing worthwhile... "

>

> I

sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in

this group...

>

Yours sincerely,

>

lyrastro1

>

> GOOD

LUCK !

>

> Interesting diatribe…Are Eclipses part of KP? You don't know me -

nor do you know what my motivations are. I was simply respectfully

responding to a question put forth by a list member – nothing more…

simply sharing a technique. Now although I am a seasoned astrologer

of 35 years, I am not experienced in KP and thought this list might

be a good place to start after a respected colleague of mine - Ron

Gaunt - mentioned the list to me. So, for the record, I have just

begun my journey of studying KP – therefore I am not familiar with

what techniques are accepted by KP, and what techniques are rejected

by KP. For that I apologize. However, you certainly set me straight

real quick. Forgive me if I crossed the line of list discussion – I

meant no disrespect.

>

> However, due to the derogatory manner in which I was addressed

(directly and indirectly) by you on 2 separate occasions – you can

rest assured that I will not be posting to this KP list anymore. You

see, I was not trying to " prove " anything, and unfortunately, for

whatever your reasons, you have painted an inaccurate picture of my

motives to this list, while showing a great deal of disrespect

towards me. I have little tolerance for unprovoked verbal hostility

on any list. Your comments on a few occasions were unnecessary and

quite immature. You could have brought forth your point about

amsa's, " any amsa's " , in a kinder manner – like Anant Raichur did –

without resorting to implying to other list members your own

delusional assumptions about others, or suggesting such absurd

inaccuracies of my personal motivations – such as - to " prove one's

point any which way " . You couldn't be further from the truth…I have

nothing to prove, nor do I have any need to prove anything.

>

> And again:

>

> Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of

old...and I had mentioned it especially for those who are interested

in more research etc...the " in-thing " abroad...I guess...

>

> Hmm…Guess you don't like the fact that I enjoy " research " ?

>

> At any rate, I have no time for this nonsense. But I do wish you

and the list all the best and hope you will at least think about the

manner and tone with which you come across to others in your plight

to exert your authority/superiority on this list. Goodbye and GOOD

LUCK! J

>

> P.S. Message for Ron Gaunt with respect to KPBC3:

>

> Ron - In Vinay's assessment dates for the birth of the child he

states the dates of 5/12/82 to 5/30/82 (May) and states that these

dates fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha. There is some mistake here because

these May dates he predicted do not fall in a Mo/Ve/Me dasha, but

rather in a Mo/Ve/Ra dasha. The birth took place, according to your

post, on 3/22/82 – which is March – not May. I just wanted to bring

that to your attention in case list members are following the Blind

Charts. Thanks.

>

> All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

> tw853 [tw853]

> Friday, December 03, 2004 10:26 AM

>

> Re: KPBC3 Answer.

>

> Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

>

> Let us see some more samples.

>

> How can we refuse a male asking whether he can have a child and

tell

> him to bring his wife?.

>

> Best regards,

>

> tw

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> wrote:

> > Dears Ron & Tw893,

> > Doesn't that,in a way strengthen my

> contention that the mother's chart will give better and more

accurate

> results ?

> > Yours 'ly,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vinay Tiwari and Sandy Crowther,

> >

> > Congratulations for the correct choice of dasa sequence.

> >

> > Best wishes and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > P.S.

> >

> > Again like in KPBC2, it's a lesson for me that dasa is superior

> than

> > transit. Mercury is clearly stronger than Rahu, but Mercury was

> > dropped out because no more transit Jupiter in Virgo forming

double

> > transit. Anyway basic principles are working except a strange

> sublord

> > of dasa lord Moon. The methodology in Astrosecrets I & III passed

> the

> > test for child's sex. And if the child birth is during Mo-Ve-Me-

Ma

> > dasa sequence, an experimental method in p 236, KP Reader IV also

> > passed the test.

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> > > The test was to find the birth date and sex of a child. No

> > > one got the date of the event which was 22 March 1982 and was a

> > > boy. However, Vinay was close, with only one selection he

> > > chose dasha sequence Moon Venus Mercury.

> > > Sandy also selected this sequence as her third choice. She

also

> > > correctly came up with the child being a boy.

> > >

> > > Vinays and Sandy's assessments are shown for reference.

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> >

>

> ....................................................................

> > ................

> > >

> > > I am very new to this field.After calculation I feel the

child

> > > would have born in may 1982 probably after 12 th may and before

> > > 30th .ie; Mo-ve-mer .

> > >

> > > In these dates also i feel last week of may.

> > >

> > > Lets C what I am going to learn more with the results.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Vinay Tiwari

> > >

> >

>

> ....................................................................

> > .........................................

> > >

> > > I had a few minutes over the Holiday week-end to get my KP feet

> > > wet, so

> > > trying my neophyte hand at an attempt on this blind chart, I

came

> > > up

> > > with the following. (I am just beginning my study of this system

> > > - so

> > > please bear with me as I could be off the wall with my

> > > choices.:-) This

> > > is a learning experience for me.)

> > >

> > > My first choice for this subject being blessed with a child

would

> > > be

> > > during his Mo/Ve/Ra dasha - covering the period from May 7, 1981

> > > to

> > > August 5, 1981. The strongest time frame that I can reasonably

> > > conclude

> > > (using Shri Jyoti Star 5) is during the dates encompassing May

> > > 15, 1981

> > > through May 30, 1981. These dates indicate running dasha

> > > sequences of

> > > Mo/Ve/Ra/Ra - Mo/Ve/Ra/Ju respectively.

> > >

> > > My reasoning: Transit Sun at this time occupies bhukti lord

> > > Venus' sign

> > > of Taurus in the 11th from the prantyantardasha lord (Rahu).

> > > Transit

> > > prantyantardasha (sub-lord) Rahu, who is natal 5th lord's

> > > (Jupiter) star

> > > lord, is posited in Mahadasha lord's (Moon) sign of Cancer, and

> > > is

> > > transiting the 5th from the natal 5th house, and 11th from natal

> > > 11th

> > > and natal Saturn (Jupiter's dispositor and star lord of the

natal

> > > 5th

> > > house) possibly indicating a long or complicated labor, or

simply

> > > a

> > > difficult labor with a few false starts (braxton hicks). I

> > > believe the

> > > sex of the first born child is male, and my conclusion for

> > > choosing male

> > > is based purely on the 7th varga (D-7-Saptamsha) delineation, as

> > > I am

> > > not familiar with KP's way to determine the sex of a child, and

> > > would

> > > love it if anyone on the list cares to share that info. :-)

> > >

> > > My second choice is Mo/Ve/Ju: from August 6, 1981 through

October

> > > 26,

> > > 1981

> > >

> > > My third choice would be Mo/Ve/Me: from January 30, 1982 through

> > > April

> > > 27, 1982.

> > >

> > > This was fun.I hope others will participate in these exercises

so

> > > we may

> > > all learn from those on this list who are more experienced and

> > > seasoned

> > > in KP, and therefore more accurate in their assessments. Any

> > > comments

> > > about where my logic appears to be fuzzy, are certainly welcome.

> > > Thanks.

> >

December 4, 2004

Dear ALL menbers ,(especially,those who were "touched-to-the-quick" with some of my " hurtful (?)" remarks...),

I must hasten to clarify,that no "personal" 'insinuations' were made,or even,intended,at any time,my remarks were made during frank and free discussions...and there is no need to to get "touched",to the extent of leaving this forum Sandy,in particular,et al...

I was quite taken aback,at the way my remarks have been interpreted, I was only suggesteng that we do not mix up the principles of K.P., with other methods existing in Vedic Astrology...

K,P,. was developed,in an effort to make up for several topics for which the old classical astrology did not have a logical explanation...

The uneven division of a star,in proportion to the Vimshottari dasa periods allotted to each planet,seemed not only logical,but was subsequently proven to be correct by K.S.K., by citing numerous examples...which,in other words meant that K.P., was only an improvement over classical Vedic astrology Parashar et al.,

Those who are not aware of the "history" of the "developmental"

stages of K.P., simply cannot imagine the nubers of times that this "invention" of K.S.K., was sought to be debunked by followers of other systems of Vedic astrology...and the numberless times K.S.K., and his followers have discussed these very issues,as perhaps is evident from most of the Readers...

Perhaps,the raising up again,(of some of such issues which have been, by now,been proven and established,beyond any doubt), my replies to them, could have betrayed the anguish/exasperation I was going through...( my impatience, also perhaps comes out,inadvertently...)...

In any case Sandy, Tw et al, I hasten to assure ALL of you that my intentions are purely only academic,not at any time intended to to hurt any one ...I hope you will and request u all, to bear with me...

With best wishes,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

Vinay Tiwari <techn0pandit wrote: