Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Upadhyaya and Group, With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology: Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband’s) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife’s) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here’s what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J Husband’s D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Dear Sandy Crowther, Thank you for sharing your methodology. As mentioned before KSK also said in Reader IY that not yet found one rule applicable in all cases. Best regards, tw , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Upadhyaya and Group, > > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child - here > is the methodology: > > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first born is > determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for > the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse > count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). > > > > 1. A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is > posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > 2. or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets > (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > 1. A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord - > which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or > Aquarius > 2. or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female > planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as > counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second > born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as > counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts - like first born is > 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with and why > I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is > 100% infallible).:-) > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in > Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this > methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the > 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so > second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains > Ketu - so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for > subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 > should have a son first, and then a daughter. > > > > > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Sandy, Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? Regards, Upadhyaya Sandy Crowther [sandy]Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child Dear Upadhyaya and Group, With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology: Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband’s) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife’s) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here’s what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J Husband’s D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay, I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes... Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..." I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !"Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya wrote: Dear Sandy, Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? Regards, Upadhyaya Sandy Crowther [sandy]Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child Dear Upadhyaya and Group, With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology: Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband’s) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife’s) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here’s what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J Husband’s D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Yogesh, I will restrict myself to KP. Regards, Upadhyaya Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1]Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: RE: D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay, I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes... Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..." I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !"Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya wrote: Dear Sandy, Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? Regards, Upadhyaya Sandy Crowther [sandy]Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child Dear Upadhyaya and Group, With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology: Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband’s) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife’s) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here’s what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J Husband’s D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter. All the Best, Sandy Crowther http://www.jupitersweb.com India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, 1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of this, house of father is studied for your food for thought. 2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only. 3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than rasi. " In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate politician and the world leader, the president of the United states. " Jagdish C. Maheshri (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) " --- exposed to KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression techniques--- not new in Indian astrology " . (It's All in Timing, 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, 2003, " Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed here " . Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay, > I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes... > Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a " hotch-potch " of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile... " > I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group... > Yours sincerely, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK ! > > " Upadhyaya, Srinivasa " <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote: > @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font-family: Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT- FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline} SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana} DIV.Section1 { > page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN- BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy, > > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? > > Regards, > Upadhyaya > > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...] > Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM > > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child > > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group, > > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology: > > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter. > > > > > > All the Best, > > Sandy Crowther > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Dear tw, Recent research,especially by Pt.K.R.Kar,has researched quite a bit about the sub and sub-sub...and Mr.Kar has equated sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa (NN)he calls it...! He has published a series of articles from as far back as in 1956 on the sub-sub theory...it is very interesting and perhaps more accurate,as vouched for,even by stalwarts like Prof.Balachandran,but in actual practice,I find it a bit too lengthy,perhaps a bit more tedious and cumbersome,(lazy as I am), and the presently followed K.P., system,easy and very practicable,though slightly less accurate...probably...but satisfying to most of the people who consult me...! Probably you have also read a few articles on the subject...in fact, in the 2004 Annual...there are quite a few articles using the sub-sub... With the very best wishes, lyrastro1tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of this, house of father is studied for your food for thought.2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only.3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than rasi. "In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate politician and the world leader, the president of the United states." Jagdish C. Maheshri (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) "--- exposed to KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression techniques--- not new in Indian astrology" . (It's All in Timing, 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, 2003, "Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed here".Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,> I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes...> Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."> I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > "Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote:> @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font-family: Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}DIV.Section1 {> page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy,> > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? > > Regards,> Upadhyaya> > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...]> Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM> > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child> > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group,> > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology:> > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J > > > > > > > > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter.> > > > > > All the Best,> > Sandy Crowther> > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I appreciate the research being carried out by Pt. K.R.Kar, and have read a few of his articles. The SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB.The NAVNAV is an equal division of Navamasa, though this is not used (as far as I am aware) in Vedic Astrology. Let us try to keep to KP. Let us not mix up other systems, though they seem to give better results at times. good luck Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear tw, Recent research,especially by Pt.K.R.Kar,has researched quite a bit about the sub and sub-sub...and Mr.Kar has equated sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa (NN)he calls it...! He has published a series of articles from as far back as in 1956 on the sub-sub theory...it is very interesting and perhaps more accurate,as vouched for,even by stalwarts like Prof.Balachandran,but in actual practice,I find it a bit too lengthy,perhaps a bit more tedious and cumbersome,(lazy as I am), and the presently followed K.P., system,easy and very practicable,though slightly less accurate...probably...but satisfying to most of the people who consult me...! Probably you have also read a few articles on the subject...in fact, in the 2004 Annual...there are quite a few articles using the sub-sub... With the very best wishes, lyrastro1tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of this, house of father is studied for your food for thought.2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only.3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than rasi. "In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate politician and the world leader, the president of the United states." Jagdish C. Maheshri (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) "--- exposed to KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression techniques--- not new in Indian astrology" . (It's All in Timing, 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, 2003, "Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed here".Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,> I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes...> Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."> I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > "Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote:> @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font-family: Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}DIV.Section1 {> page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy,> > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? > > Regards,> Upadhyaya> > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...]> Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM> > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child> > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group,> > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology:> > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J > > > > > > > > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter.> > > > > > All the Best,> > Sandy Crowther> > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Mr.Raichur, I am in total agreement with you,as a matter of fact,I cannot forget your article..." The Craze for Accuracy..." and have preserved that issue of the K.P. & Astrology Magazine... Therefore,personally, I stick to the pure and simple K.P., of old...and I had mentioned it especially for those who are interested in more research etc...the "in-thing" abroad...I guess... Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: I appreciate the research being carried out by Pt. K.R.Kar, and have read a few of his articles. The SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB.The NAVNAV is an equal division of Navamasa, though this is not used (as far as I am aware) in Vedic Astrology. Let us try to keep to KP. Let us not mix up other systems, though they seem to give better results at times. good luck Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear tw, Recent research,especially by Pt.K.R.Kar,has researched quite a bit about the sub and sub-sub...and Mr.Kar has equated sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa (NN)he calls it...! He has published a series of articles from as far back as in 1956 on the sub-sub theory...it is very interesting and perhaps more accurate,as vouched for,even by stalwarts like Prof.Balachandran,but in actual practice,I find it a bit too lengthy,perhaps a bit more tedious and cumbersome,(lazy as I am), and the presently followed K.P., system,easy and very practicable,though slightly less accurate...probably...but satisfying to most of the people who consult me...! Probably you have also read a few articles on the subject...in fact, in the 2004 Annual...there are quite a few articles using the sub-sub... With the very best wishes, lyrastro1tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of this, house of father is studied for your food for thought.2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only.3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than rasi. "In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate politician and the world leader, the president of the United states." Jagdish C. Maheshri (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) "--- exposed to KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression techniques--- not new in Indian astrology" . (It's All in Timing, 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, 2003, "Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed here".Best regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,> I was under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas for judgement purposes...> Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."> I sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in this group...> Yours sincerely,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > "Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote:> @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font-family: Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}DIV.Section1 {> page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy,> > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way to find out the number of childern one can have? > > Regards,> Upadhyaya> > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...]> Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM> > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child> > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group,> > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – here is the methodology:> > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of the 9th house). > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or Aquarius > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO methodology is 100% infallible)…J > > > > > > > > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a daughter.> > > > > > All the Best,> > Sandy Crowther> > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Thank you very much. Once again I fully agree to keep to KP. For me KP is what written by Guruji KSK in his six Readers, eventhough i study what his disciples or sons are saying for better knowledge. It will be clearer if it is possible to classify which are not KP like in the case of SA as follows. (it seems not possible practically) " SA does not believe in: (i) Chalit (ii) Jamini karakas (iii) jamini dasas (iv) important yogas as laid down in the fixed mode without identifying the functional nature of the planets (v) maraka planets (vi) that the benefics owning good houses become malefic planets (vii) Badhaka principles, (vii) calculation of strengths per traditional graha and bhava balas (viii) traditional manglik (ix) traditional sade-sati, (x) conditional dasas, etc. etc. The advocates of the traditional astrology principles can never match (i) the shortest time required for learning predictive techniques, (ii) confidence, (iii) competence and (iv) speed of an SA astrologer. However, choice is with the person his/her own self. http://www.jupitersweb.com/traditional_approach_versus_syst.htm " It is said that the SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB. Of course, it's well known that KP constellation, sub and sub-sub are devided according to the unequal Vimsottari proportion (attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara hailed as father of Indian/Traditional Predictive Astrology who lived roughly around 5,000 years ago)which is mysterious why recommended to follow a particular order of planet periods, and also why allotted each planet a particular numbers of years. Dr. Kar tries in KP Annual 2004 to shed some light on this mystery (a very nice word used by Guruji KSK). Let me stop here for the sake of our Group since Navamsa is one of traditional divisional charts. Best regards, tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote: > I appreciate the research being carried out by Pt. K.R.Kar, and have read a few of his articles. > > The SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB.The NAVNAV is an equal division of Navamasa, though this is not used (as far as I am aware) in Vedic Astrology. > > Let us try to keep to KP. Let us not mix up other systems, though they seem to give better results at times. > > good luck > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear tw, > Recent research,especially by Pt.K.R.Kar,has researched quite a bit about the sub and sub-sub...and Mr.Kar has equated sub- sub to Navamsa of Navamsa (NN)he calls it...! > He has published a series of articles from as far back as in 1956 on the sub-sub theory...it is very interesting and perhaps more accurate,as vouched for,even by stalwarts like Prof.Balachandran,but in actual practice,I find it a bit too lengthy,perhaps a bit more tedious and cumbersome,(lazy as I am), and the presently followed K.P., system,easy and very practicable,though slightly less accurate...probably...but satisfying to most of the people who consult me...! > Probably you have also read a few articles on the subject...in fact, in the 2004 Annual...there are quite a few articles using the sub-sub... > With the very best wishes, > lyrastro1 > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi, > > 1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for > encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and > KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of > this, house of father is studied for your food for thought. > > 2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to > stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only. > > 3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely > the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari > propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western > Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. > For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side > in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both > the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. > In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information > provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good > navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than > rasi. " In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are > 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of > profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics > is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be > a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate > politician and the world leader, the president of the United > states. " Jagdish C. Maheshri > (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) " --- exposed to > KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early > nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression > techniques--- not new in Indian astrology " . (It's All in Timing, > 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) > > 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, > 2003, " Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP > (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do > not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which > fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed > here " . > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay, > > I was > under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is > no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas > for judgement purposes... > > > Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else > we will only arrive at a " hotch-potch " of " the various Vedic > Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich > way,end up with nothing worthwhile... " > > I > sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in > this group... > > > Yours sincerely, > > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > " Upadhyaya, Srinivasa " <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote: > > @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font- family: > Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 > {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New > Roman " }LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT- > FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }A:link { > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink { > COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited { > COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline} > SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: > underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; > FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New Roman " }DIV.MsoAutoSig { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: " Times New > Roman " }SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana} > DIV.Section1 { > > page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN- > BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy, > > > > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this > with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way > to find out the number of childern one can have? > > > > Regards, > > Upadhyaya > > > > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...] > > Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM > > > > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child > > > > > > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group, > > > > > > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child – > here is the methodology: > > > > > > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first > born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, > while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined > from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of > the 9th house). > > > > > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is > posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets > (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – > which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or > Aquarius > > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female > planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as > counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for > second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third > house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like > first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with > and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO > methodology is 100% infallible)…J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited > in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this > methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of > the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury > (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a > third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis > disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this > methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a > daughter. > > > > > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > Sandy Crowther > > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Dear tw853, I agree with you,tw,even Mr.Raichur has pointed out the same. The article I was refering to, by K.R.Kar,was where he has "equated it" to Navamsa of Navamsa...in his words...although both,the Navamsa and N of N divisions are equal divisions,while Vimshottari is based on the unequal division of the Zodiac into subs,and sub-subs, as inunciated by KSK...! KSK has proved umpteen numbers of time,that this 'unequal' division into subs is correct, by repeatedly demonstrating the very accurate results this enabled astrologers to produce,in predictive astrology,and called it Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,as we all know... His subsequent discovery of "Ruling Planets"...crowned him with unparallelled success in this field of predictive astrology... All this,is history ofcourse...but in my very considered opinion,Parasara did invent the Navamsa and other amsas,but as a better and more accurate division system has appeared on the scene,and has been proven to be very correct indeed,atleast in the experience of countless numbers of K.P. followers... I would trust the K.P. sub and sub-sub theory, more,while keeping in my mind,in the back ground as additional info,the navamsa theory...and other 'principles inunciated long long ago,and found,not as accurate as K.P., but nevertheless,effective in its own way... that, then is my present attitude and position... I hope you appreciate my rationale...and position... Wishing you the very best,I am, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,Thank you very much. Once again I fully agree to keep to KP. For me KP is what written by Guruji KSK in his six Readers, eventhough i study what his disciples or sons are saying for better knowledge. It will be clearer if it is possible to classify which are not KP like in the case of SA as follows. (it seems not possible practically) "SA does not believe in: (i) Chalit (ii) Jamini karakas (iii) jamini dasas (iv) important yogas as laid down in the fixed mode without identifying the functional nature of the planets (v) maraka planets (vi) that the benefics owning good houses become malefic planets (vii) Badhaka principles, (vii) calculation of strengths per traditional graha and bhava balas (viii) traditional manglik (ix) traditional sade-sati, (x) conditional dasas, etc. etc. The advocates of the traditional astrology principles can never match (i) the shortest time required for learning predictive techniques, (ii) confidence, (iii) competence and (iv) speed of an SA astrologer.However, choice is with the person his/her own self. http://www.jupitersweb.com/traditional_approach_versus_syst.htm "It is said that the SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB. Of course, it's well known that KP constellation, sub and sub-sub are devided according to the unequal Vimsottari proportion (attributed to the venerable Sage Parasara hailed as father of Indian/Traditional Predictive Astrology who lived roughly around 5,000 years ago)which is mysterious why recommended to follow a particular order of planet periods, and also why allotted each planet a particular numbers of years. Dr. Kar tries in KP Annual 2004 to shed some light on this mystery (a very nice word used by Guruji KSK). Let me stop here for the sake of our Group since Navamsa is one of traditional divisional charts.Best regards,tw , anant raichur <anant_1608> wrote:> I appreciate the research being carried out by Pt. K.R.Kar, and have read a few of his articles.> > The SUB of KP is not equal to the Navamasa of the Traditional Astrology. The Nav division is equal, the SUB is unequal divisions. The SUB-SUB is an un equal division of the SUB.The NAVNAV is an equal division of Navamasa, though this is not used (as far as I am aware) in Vedic Astrology.> > Let us try to keep to KP. Let us not mix up other systems, though they seem to give better results at times. > > good luck> > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear tw,> Recent research,especially by Pt.K.R.Kar,has researched quite a bit about the sub and sub-sub...and Mr.Kar has equated sub-sub to Navamsa of Navamsa (NN)he calls it...!> He has published a series of articles from as far back as in 1956 on the sub-sub theory...it is very interesting and perhaps more accurate,as vouched for,even by stalwarts like Prof.Balachandran,but in actual practice,I find it a bit too lengthy,perhaps a bit more tedious and cumbersome,(lazy as I am), and the presently followed K.P., system,easy and very practicable,though slightly less accurate...probably...but satisfying to most of the people who consult me...!> Probably you have also read a few articles on the subject...in fact, in the 2004 Annual...there are quite a few articles using the sub-sub...> With the very best wishes,> lyrastro1> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,> > 1. First of all, let me express my sincere gratitude to you for > encouraging me to read K. Subramanium's books, esp Astrosecrets and > KP Annuals which help me a lot to learn more about KP. As a token of > this, house of father is studied for your food for thought.> > 2. I fully agree with the request made by Sri Ranchai and you to > stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only.> > 3. Again, however, since out of three pillars of KP, two namely > the constellational zidiac and the mysterious unequal Vimsottari > propotion are of Hindu/Traditional Astrlogy (third one is the Western > Placidian cusps), sometimes it may not easy to mark a border line. > For example, NAVAMSA, KSK's Rasi and Navamsa are shown side by side > in p 217, KP Reader III, 1984, Self-explanatory Table to erect both > the rasi & Navamsa Chart is includes in p 78-80, KP Reader I, 1982. > In this regard, I'm very pleased to learn from the information > provided by you that a KP research is going. If to show a good > navamsa, it may be G W Bush's which is much more stronger than > rasi. "In his ninefold birth chart with Scorpio ascendant, there are > 6 planets (including outer planets) in the tenth house, the house of > profession, action, and achievements. ---This confirms that politics > is the destiny of this man. --- virtually assure him that he would be > a very successful politician. And he certainly became the ultimate > politician and the world leader, the president of the United > states." Jagdish C. Maheshri > (http://www.astroinsight.com/2004election/1.html ) "--- exposed to > KP in late sixties--- tried a few variation of KP --- in early > nineties accidentally discovered --- the Ninefold Progression > techniques--- not new in Indian astrology" . (It's All in Timing, > 1997) (Note: Ninefold is more or less similar to Navamsa.) > > 4. There is a interesting note in the main page of Jyotish > (Vedic Astrology) and Remedies, Members: 2532, Created: Mar 20, > 2003, "Schools allowed in this forum are pure Vedic Astrology, KP > (Krishnamurti Paddhati), and some Western Astrology only when they do > not contradict Vedic Astrology. SA (Systems Approach) which > fundamentally contradicts original Vedic Astrology, is not allowed > here".> > > Best regards, > > tw> > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote:> > Dears Sandy Cowther & Srinivas Upadyay,> > I was > under the impression that we are discusing in the KP.group...there is > no place for sapthamsa,navamsas,dasamsas or forthat matter any amsas > for judgement purposes...> > > Members are requested to stick to Krishnamurty Padhdhati only...else > we will only arrive at a "hotch-potch" of " the various Vedic > Astrology method...in our anxiety to prove one's point anywhich > way,end up with nothing worthwhile..."> > I > sincerely request ALL members to therefore stick to K.P.,only in > this group...> > > Yours sincerely,> > > lyrastro1> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > "Upadhyaya, Srinivasa" <srinivasa.upadyaya@h...> wrote:> > @font-face { font-family: Wingdings;}@font-face { font-family: > Verdana;}@font-face { font-family: Comic Sans MS;}@page Section1 > {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }P.MsoNormal {> FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New > Roman"}LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-> FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}A:link {> COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}SPAN.MsoHyperlink {> COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}A:visited {> COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline}> SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: > underline}P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; > FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"}DIV.MsoAutoSig {> FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New > Roman"}SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}> DIV.Section1 {> > page: Section1}OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in}UL { MARGIN-> BOTTOM: 0in}Dear Sandy,> > > > Thanks a lot for sharing this methodology. I will experiment this > with few charts that I have and get back to you soon. Is there a way > to find out the number of childern one can have? > > > > Regards,> > Upadhyaya> > > > Sandy Crowther [sandy@t...]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:33 PM> > > > D-7: Saptamsha and Gender of Child> > > > > > > > Dear Upadhyaya and Group,> > > > > > > > With respect to using the D-7 to determine the sex of each child –> here is the methodology:> > > > > > > > Viewing the Saptamsha for the male (husband's) chart, the first > born is determined by the lord of the 5th house from the D-7 lagna, > while for the female (wife's) chart, the first child is determined > from a reverse count to the 5th from the D-7 lagna - (or the lord of > the 9th house). > > > > > > > > A son is predicted if the lord of the child (5th house) is > posited in an odd sign or Cancer or Pisces. > > or the lord is exalted, or conjunct exalted or male planets > (Su/Ju/Ma/Ra). > > > > > > > > A daughter is predicted if the lord of the child (9th lord – > which is 5th lord in reverse) is placed in an even sign or Gemini or > Aquarius > > or the lord is debilitated, conjunct debilitated or female > planets (Mo/Ve/Me/Ke/Sa - There are no eunuch considerations). > > > > > > > > For determining future children, the lords of every third house as > counted from the fifth (for male charts it would be 7th lord for > second born, 9th lord for 3rd born, etc) and counting every third > house as counted from the reverse fifth (for female charts – like > first born is 9th lord, 2nd born is 7th lord, etc.) > > > > > > > > Using the KPBC2 Chart to demonstrate, here's what I come up with > and why I said this man was having a son: (I also said that NO > methodology is 100% infallible)…J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Husband's D-7th chart has Cancer lagna. Fifth lord is Mars posited > in Virgo (female sign), but conjunct male planet, Rahu. So with this > methodology, 1st born is a son. Second Born shows Saturn as lord of > the 7th, posited in Taurus (female sign) and conjoining Mercury > (female), so second child is female. The house for determining a > third child contains Ketu – so no third child. The nodal axis > disrupts the cycle for subsequent births. So according to this > methodology, the owner of KPBC2 should have a son first, and then a > daughter.> > > > > > > > > > > > All the Best,> > > > Sandy Crowther> > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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