Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Anant gave an excellent and concise analysis to come to the correct answer and I would like to expand from a somewhat different approach. LAST SOLAR ECLIPSE As explained in KPBC1 I like to look at near term possibilities by assessing the previous Solar Eclipse (SE). In the last SE on 22nd Aug 1979 there was a bunching of all traditional planets except Mars in late Cancer to mid Leo. Most prominent was the eclipse point in close conjunction with Venus. SE Venus Star Lord is Ketu, and Sub is Moon. There is an exact trine aspect to natal Sun - which is also Ketu/Moon. Venus is Lord of partner's 7th house. The native can expect a personal Venusian 7th house event. SE Rahu is in close trine to natal Moon and natal Venus. Rahu represents dispositor Jupiter; and Jupiter is in the star of Rahu sub Jupiter. Both SE Rahu and natal Moon are in the star of Venus Lord of the 7th house. 7th house confirmation. Jupiter is Lord of 2nd House and natal Venus is on the cusp (and on the Rasi Lagna (ie close equivalent degree to Ascendant). Natal Venus forms an axis in opposition to natal Uranus. As Uranus is also close the 8th cusp and Rasi Lagna, this is a contract axis activating a 2nd and 8th house event. This axis is activated by SE Mars coming close conjunction with natal Uranus. SE Mars is in the Star of Rahu (representing Jupiter) with Venus Sub. Therefore there are 2nd and 7 house effects leading to a contract. ie a marriage contract The natal Venus Uranus opposition is further activated by SE Ketu coming close trine aspect to Uranus. Also natal Moon is activated by exact conjunction SE Ascendant. Natal Moon and SE Asc are in Venus Star. The SE Asc has Moon sub, so again we see there is 7th house and female emphasis. The Solar Eclipse suggests that there will be a marriage before the next SE on 16th Feb 1980. KP ANNALYSIS To have a marriage we need to have Significators for 2nd (family), 7 partnership (marriage), 11th (happiness). Possibly also 8th (legal contract) The dasas were Moon/Mercury/Jupiter/Ketu (see note at end of mail) Marriage is sought: Dasa Moon is in the Star of Venus - showing the 7th house Lord. For marriage the Significators should relate to 2nd, 7th and 11th houses. Here we see that Buhkti Lord Mercury is in all of these houses so marriage can proceed. Antara Lord is Jupiter which is Lord of the 2nd, associated with the 7th through Rahu being in the sub of the Moon and Rahu being proxy for Jupiter. Jupiter is also associated with the 11th as Lord Mercury is in Jupiter sign Sagittarius. So again marriage can proceed. Sookshma Lord is Ketu. Ketu is related to 2nd, 7th, and 11th houses through dispositor Lord Mercury being Significator. So again marriage can proceed. As the 8th house Lord is also Mercury this ties in the contract to cement the marriage. TRANSITS The marriage we are told took place on the 2nd Nov 1979 between 6 and 7 am. Transit Jupiter and Rahu were in close conjunction and in very close trine aspect to natal Venus (on the Venus Uranus marriage contract axis). At the same time transit Ketu came exact trine aspect to Uranus on the other end of the axis. Now Transit Sun comes exact opposition to natal Moon with transit Ascendant being conjunct transit Sun and opposition natal Moon and SE Ascendant. All this took place just before 6:30am. What this does is set up an exact Grand Trine of SE Mars (conjunct natal Uranus) trine SE Ketu trine transit Sun, all centred on the marriage contract axis. Ron Gaunt PS. I note that both Anant and Kanak who got the correct answer ended the Dasa sequence with Sooksma Lord Mercury. The difference is not due to the fact that I have used a different ayanamsa. It is because there is obviously a slight difference in the calculation of the moon. It is interesting that both give the correct result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Namaste Mr. Gaunt. My point is that, if Lahiri Ayanamsa is used, Moon/Mercury/Rahu runs from 10.9.79 to 27.9.79. The event is within that period. SE, Jupiter-Rahu conjuction trine to Venus and the rest of the supporting justifications remain unchanged. Moreover, traditionally, it is considered that Rahu periods are favourable for marriage - particularly if Rahu indicates marriage. In these circumstances, how can we effectively counter an astrolger who advocates Lahiri - unless of course we assert, based on other proven experiences, that KP Ayanamsa is right? About SE - an eclipse (solar) occurs when the Moon and Sun are in conjuction longitudinally and declinatinoally. Some new Moons at least are close eclipses - let us say narrow shaves. Besides, solar eclipses can be full or partial. Again, eclipes are not global events as, when we have one in India partial or full, it may not be visible in Australia and most certainly not at all visible in the US - the opposite side of the globe. I do not know if the SE you considered for answering KPBC2 was visible in Palghat - the place of nativity. It could have been just a New Moon there. In these circumstances, what will be the guiding criteria, i.e. if it would be the place of nativity or the place where the KPBC2 event occured or where the native was at eclipse time and if the eclipse was visible from these locations. I hope these questions are not silly and am not unduly bothering you. Your learned opinion will certainly enlighten all of us here as you seem to have done serious and pioneering researches on this eclipse angle of predictions. Thanks and best regards. Madathil Nair ___________________ , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Madathil, > > Yes Rahu represents Jupiter, and Rahu antara starts 15th July > 1979. But in my way of looking at it wouldn't happen until > after being activated by the Solar Eclipse of 22nd Aug 1979. > > Even ignoring the eclipse I don't think it would have happened > until the appropriate transits occurred. These were Jupiter and > Rahu conjoined aspecting Venus at one end of the Venus Uranus > axis (and on the 8th house cusp and 8th Rasi Lagna) with Ketu > aspecting Uranus at the other end.. This as we saw occurred > on the marriage date 2 Nov 1979. > > > Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Iff we apply Laheri Aynamsa, abiut 6 minutes diff, the Sooksma will change. The sub Lords may remain same.Madathil Rajendran Nair <madathilnair wrote: Namaste.Thanks Mr. Gaunt for an excellent analysis.However, may I ask these questions with trepidation?Apart from the SE angle which you have introduced into this discussion, is there any reason why the event did not fall through in Moon/Mercury/Rahu. Doesn't Rahu represent Jupiter by being in his star and sign as well? If we use, Lahiri Ayanamsa and apply the other tenets of KP, the event took place in Moon/Mercury/Rahu? How can we then silence those who advocate Lahiri Ayanamsa? The rest of your arguments (like those relating to legal contract, trine aspects etc. etc.) are still valid for this Lahiri scenario. Right?I would love to read your learned views.Regards.Madathil Nair_________________ , rongaunt wrote:......> KP ANNALYSIS> > To have a marriage we need to have Significators for 2nd> (family), 7 partnership (marriage), 11th (happiness).> Possibly also 8th (legal contract)> > The dasas were Moon/Mercury/Jupiter/Ketu (see note at end of> mail)> > Marriage is sought: Dasa Moon is in the Star of Venus - showing> the 7th house Lord.> > For marriage the Significators should relate to 2nd, 7th and 11th> houses. Here we see that Buhkti Lord Mercury is in all of these> houses so marriage can proceed.> > Antara Lord is Jupiter which is Lord of the 2nd, associated with> the 7th through Rahu being in the sub of the Moon and Rahu being > proxy for Jupiter. Jupiter is also associated with the 11th as> Lord Mercury is in Jupiter sign Sagittarius. So again marriage> can proceed.> > Sookshma Lord is Ketu. Ketu is related to 2nd, 7th, and 11th> houses through dispositor Lord Mercury being Significator.> So again marriage can proceed.> > As the 8th house Lord is also Mercury this ties in the contract> to cement the marriage.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Madathil, Please see replies ** .................... ** Ron Gaunt On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 05:30:21 +0000, you wrote: > > >Namaste Mr. Gaunt. > >My point is that, if Lahiri Ayanamsa is used, Moon/Mercury/Rahu runs >from 10.9.79 to 27.9.79. The event is within that period. SE, >Jupiter-Rahu conjuction trine to Venus and the rest of the supporting >justifications remain unchanged. Moreover, traditionally, it is >considered that Rahu periods are favourable for marriage - >particularly if Rahu indicates marriage. In these circumstances, how >can we effectively counter an astrolger who advocates Lahiri - unless >of course we assert, based on other proven experiences, that KP >Ayanamsa is right? ** It is inevitable that occasionally close ayanamsas will show the same results. The question is which one shows consistently correct results?. That is the one we need to use ** > >About SE - an eclipse (solar) occurs when the Moon and Sun are in >conjuction longitudinally and declinatinoally. Some new Moons at >least are close eclipses - let us say narrow shaves. Besides, solar >eclipses can be full or partial. Again, eclipes are not global >events as, when we have one in India partial or full, it may not be >visible in Australia and most certainly not at all visible in the US - >the opposite side of the globe. I do not know if the SE you >considered for answering KPBC2 was visible in Palghat - the place of >nativity. It could have been just a New Moon there. > >In these circumstances, what will be the guiding criteria, i.e. if it >would be the place of nativity or the place where the KPBC2 event >occured or where the native was at eclipse time and if the eclipse >was visible from these locations. ** I only work with S.Es not New Moons as I find them unconvincing. The fact that an eclipse is not seen at a certain location does not in my experience invalidate effects. If it did, to be consistent, we would have to ignore all planets out of our view in all other forms of astrology. ie planets on the other side of the earth to where we are located. What is happening is that the earth gets consistently bombarded with solar radiation. This radiation covers the whole earth not just the part facing the Sun. However during the period of a Solar Eclipse. this radiation temporarily ceases. As the radiation returns it is like starting a new life, with predominance being given to S.E. planets and sensitive points that are in contact with natal position. This effect on the natal chart I liken to the effect of a fibrillator on a clinically dead person. I find that the effects of a S.E lasts until the next S.E when the processes is repeated. ** > >I hope these questions are not silly and am not unduly bothering >you. Your learned opinion will certainly enlighten all of us here as >you seem to have done serious and pioneering researches on this >eclipse angle of predictions. ** Not silly at all, and I don't know whether my opinion can be considered learned. It is just a technique I evolved when I realized that the ancients were very fond of eclipse prediction, and I couldn't find a dasa system that seemed to work before the event. However how the ancients did it appears to have been lost when one sees some of the stupidities of so called SE prediction. ie. only using the eclipse point, or saying that the effect will last as long in years as the eclipse lasts in hours. If this latter case was correct, the effect could last for four plus years. In the meantime there could be another say 8 to 10 eclipses if also considering Lunar Eclipses. Of course using this method in four years time you would be able to see anything your wanted from so many eclipses. ** > >Thanks and best regards. > >Madathil Nair >___________________ > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> Madathil, >> >> Yes Rahu represents Jupiter, and Rahu antara starts 15th July >> 1979. But in my way of looking at it wouldn't happen until >> after being activated by the Solar Eclipse of 22nd Aug 1979. >> >> Even ignoring the eclipse I don't think it would have happened >> until the appropriate transits occurred. These were Jupiter and >> Rahu conjoined aspecting Venus at one end of the Venus Uranus >> axis (and on the 8th house cusp and 8th Rasi Lagna) with Ketu >> aspecting Uranus at the other end.. This as we saw occurred >> on the marriage date 2 Nov 1979. >> >> >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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