KPBC2

November 21, 2004

The Difference In Latitude may be mathematically a diffrence. No one knows exactly the correct geographical latitude, and longitude of Birth Place. Is this going to affect the results?. Ultimately in KP we consider the Sign,Star,Sub lords for any prediction. So long as these do not change, the minor uncertainty about Latitude/Longitude does not matter.

Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slighly less than that of the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as the next cusp.

So in prediction, ONE HAS TO CONSIDER the planet to be in the NEXT house,to what is shown mathamatically.

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Ron Gaunt,I'm still a KP learner and reading here and there. That is why KPBC2's birth place is found as Palghat according to Astro-Kundli atlas. Asking about 3min difference is just for academic purpose because of a big issue for 30-40sec difference between OKPA & NKPA. Also difference will be difference mathematically as long as it's compared in the same Geographic or Geocentric, but not mix and match. Best regards,tw-

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November 21, 2004

Dear Rajneesh,

It's true. I don't have G.J. However, could you provide your G.J.

results for KPBC2 @ " 10N47, 76E39 " as used in Astrodienst to be able

to compare with Astrodienst results, particularly Sid Time (a check

point in using different softwares), Asc position, Ayanamsa used ,

any one, (adjustable manually to a desired level)also Moon position

to compare accuracy for dasa.

It's interesting to make a comparison in order to know how come G.J.

is giving Geographic, not Geocentric, having full faith in expertise

of software programmers, except a little bit in accuracy like a watch

made in Swiss (hand or factory made) or Japan (some Japanese ones

also very accurate).

Best regards,

tw

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> Rajneesh,

>

> I can answer this. I don't think tw has G.J.

>

> GJ uses geographic angles and house cusps.

>

> By the way I would suggest that you do not use the

> Krishnamurti ayanamsa as set up as standard, as it is quite

> different in modern times to those currently used and discussed

> on this List. The best way is to reprogram as set out in my

> mail headed KPBC2 of both 19th and 20th Nov to Vaidun.

>

> You can then easily check and make manual adjustment if necessary

> to get Geocentric angles by using Mr Raichur's demo program.

>

> Ron Gaunt.

>

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:35:32 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Dear TW,

> >Do you know if Goravani Jyotish uses, Geographic or

> >Geocentric?

> >Thanks

> >-r

> >--- tw853 <tw853> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >>

> >> 1. It was my understanding that all Astro softwares

> >> are

> >> basiccaly set for " Geocentric " .

> >>

> >> 2. Astrodienst showis " Western geocentric

> >> (tropical) " . And there

> >> are options for " Hindu/Lahiri geocentric

> >> (tropical) " , " heliocentric "

> >> options and so on.

> >>

> >> 3. In AstroDatabank sample charts, it's clearly

> >> shown Geocentric.

> >>

> >> 4. By using same Swiss ephemeris, Astrodienst and

> >> Astro-Kundli

> >> usually give more or less same results except in

> >> some cases,

> >> indicating both are Geocentric.

> >>

> >> 5. Dos-written and printable on dot-matrix " Old One "

> >> software

> >> also give more or less the same results for young

> >> natives showing

> >> Geocentric.

> >>

> >> 6. GHL(Sanjay Rath Group) Junoir Jyotish (SA Group)

> >> also gives

> >> more or less same results indicating they are also

> >> Geocentric.

> >>

> >> 7. However, Astroura is set for Geographic and it's

> >> necessary to

> >> change for Geocentric.

> >>

> >> Thanks for reminding me to make sure that I'm using

> >> Geocentric.

> >>

> >> NO MORE DOUBT.

> >>

> >> Best Regards,

> >>

> >> tw

> >>

> >> P.S.

> >>

> >> " Geocentric and Geographic " are explained in

> >>

> >> 1.HOW TO CAST AND READ YOUR GOROSCOPE (K.

> >> HARIHARAN), p. 78-79 &

> >> others, and

> >>

> >> 2.ASTROSECRETS & KP, P.302-320 (LlATITUDES AND

> >> LONGITUDES, GEOCENTRIC

> >> LATITUDE.)

> >>

> >> , rongaunt

> >> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > yw,

> >> >

> >> > Glad you found a way to get geocentric angles.

> >> >

> >> > Regarding geocentric being the correct way, I

> >> think I will have

> >> > to wait and see, before I go whole hearted into

> >> it. My

> >> > experience as a result of Garth Allen's work

> >> suggests that

> >> > parallax moon (which is geographic) produces good

> >> results in

> >> > eclipse and new moon situations. Consequently I

> >> suspect that

> >> > geographic is valid at least in some situations.

> >> >

> >> > Fortunately, there is little difference between

> >> the two and in

> >> > most cases would not change the Sub Lord.

> >> >

> >> > Ron Gaunt

> >> >

> >> > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:18:09 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >

> >> > >

> >> > >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >> > >

> >> > >It's okay. I can get it. I forgot to change a key

> >> for Geocentric

> >> in

> >> > >Astraura. Astrodienst also can give both ways but

> >> there I have to

> >> > >follow its latitude and longitude and do

> >> additional calculations.

> >> > >It's common practice in all TOH to use Geocetric

> >> to ensure much

> >> more

> >> > >accuracy and precision. We're living on earth not

> >> in the haven and

> >> > >true center of earth is geocentric latitude. All

> >> astrological

> >> > >considerations are based on geocentric positions

> >> of planets, since

> >> > >Astrology is concerned with planetary motions

> >> only as they affect

> >> the

> >> > >earth. I can't run Sri Raichur's demo anymore. I

> >> mean I can't raed

> >> > >the results.

> >> > >

> >> > >Tahnk you.

> >> > >

> >> > >Best regards,

> >> > >

> >> > >tw

> >> > >

> >> > > , rongaunt

> >> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> > >>

> >> > >> tw,

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun

> >> has yet to

> >> > >> program his GJ software - and it does not give

> >> Geocentric angles

> >> > >> anyhow.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> My only access to Geocentric angles is through

> >> Solar Fire and

> >> > >> this is not suitable for transmission except to

> >> other S.F. Users

> >> > >> - and anyhow would show slightly different to

> >> Mr Raichurs program

> >> > >> because of the differences in precession

> >> between the programs.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's

> >> program but trying it on

> >> > >> KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference

> >> between it and my

> >> > >> other programs that I think I must have a

> >> corrupted version.

> >> > >> Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric

> >> angles.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Would one of our Indian friends like to post a

> >> chart using Mr

> >> > >> Raichurs software?

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Ron Gaunt

> >> > >>

> >> > >> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

> >> > >>

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric

> >> angles to be able

> >> for

> >> > >> >participants to use it in this particular

> >> case.

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Thank you.

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Best regards,

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >tw

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> > , rongaunt

> >> <rongaunt@b...>

> >> wrote:

> >> > >> >>

> >> > >> >> tw,

> >> > >> >>

> >> > >> >> For all practical purposes most KP

> >> astrologers seem to only

> >> work

> >> > >> >> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub

> >> sub lord level it is

> >> > >> >> inevitable that there is going to be

> >> differences between

> >> > >> >> different programs; and I suspect that this

> >> is why this area

> >>

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> >

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November 22, 2004

Anant,

Please see question below **................. **

Ron Gaunt

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:24:09 -0800, you wrote:

>The Difference In Latitude may be mathematically a diffrence. No one knows

exactly the correct geographical latitude, and longitude of Birth Place. Is this

going to affect the results?. Ultimately in KP we consider the Sign,Star,Sub

lords for any prediction. So long as these do not change, the minor uncertainty

about Latitude/Longitude does not matter.

>Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a Planet. When the

longitude of the Planet is slighly less than that of the cusp, the Planet is

shown, in the previous house (mathematically correct). But, in actual practice

this planet gives results as though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords

will be same as the next cusp.

** I give an example to clarify my question. Assume Lagna at

00 Aries 00 where the previous sub boundary is at say 28 Pisces

00 - with a planet at 27 Pisces in that sub. Are you saying

that the planet's Lord and sub Lord would be as if the planet is

positioned at 00 Aries 00 and not at 27 Pisces? **

>

>So in prediction, ONE HAS TO CONSIDER the planet to be in the NEXT house,to

what is shown mathamatically.

November 22, 2004

YES THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE. But if you want to test it out, amend the Rule to say that if the Cusp Lords are same as that of the Planet, then Planet to be considered as on the cusp. This is because the Sub Lord has certain Span of Long.

good Luck

rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

Anant,Please see question below **................. **Ron GauntOn Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:24:09 -0800, you wrote:>The Difference In Latitude may be mathematically a diffrence. No one knows exactly the correct geographical latitude, and longitude of Birth Place. Is this going to affect the results?. Ultimately in KP we consider the Sign,Star,Sub lords for any prediction. So long as these do not change, the minor uncertainty about Latitude/Longitude does not matter. >Another Mathmatical correctness is the House Occupied by a Planet. When the longitude of the Planet is slighly less than that of the cusp, the Planet is shown, in the previous house (mathematically correct). But, in actual practice this planet gives results as though it is in the next house. The star/sub lords will be same as the next cusp.** I give an example to

clarify my question. Assume Lagna at00 Aries 00 where the previous sub boundary is at say 28 Pisces00 - with a planet at 27 Pisces in that sub. Are you sayingthat the planet's Lord and sub Lord would be as if the planet ispositioned at 00 Aries 00 and not at 27 Pisces? **> >So in prediction, ONE HAS TO CONSIDER the planet to be in the NEXT house,to what is shown mathamatically.