KPBC2

November 18, 2004

The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of Event.

This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to follow the new kpa aynamsa.

rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

Chart details are:Male,D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950Time 5:02amI.S.T -5:3010N46, 076E42Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one of the following:1. Got married.2. Emigrated to the USA3. Son Born.4 Promotion in job.It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up frontto help others in their understanding. However, if time is ata premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But pleasebe prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which theanswer will be provided.Ron Gaunt

November 18, 2004

Anant,

Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

Asc is in fact correct.

Ron Gaunt

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per the NEW KPA

tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec

1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be 23 37 27(app). The specified

ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position

and also the Dasa on date of Event.

>

>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to follow the

new kpa aynamsa.

>

>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>

>Chart details are:

>

>Male,

>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>Time 5:02am

>I.S.T -5:30

>10N46, 076E42

>

>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>

>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>of the following:

>

>1. Got married.

>2. Emigrated to the USA

>3. Son Born.

>4 Promotion in job.

>

>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>

>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>answer will be provided.

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

November 18, 2004

Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should

have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

Ron Gaunt

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>

>Anant,

>

>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

>Asc is in fact correct.

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>

>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per the NEW

KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is 23-04-22. On 20th

Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be 23 37 27(app). The

specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's

position and also the Dasa on date of Event.

>>

>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to follow the

new kpa aynamsa.

>>

>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>>

>>Chart details are:

>>

>>Male,

>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>>Time 5:02am

>>I.S.T -5:30

>>10N46, 076E42

>>

>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>>

>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>>of the following:

>>

>>1. Got married.

>>2. Emigrated to the USA

>>3. Son Born.

>>4 Promotion in job.

>>

>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>>

>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>>answer will be provided.

>>

>>Ron Gaunt

>>

November 18, 2004

Dear All,

KPA for 20 December 1950

1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 - 1900)

= 50.2388475 + 0.00555

= 50.2444sec

e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354

f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28 sec

(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of " c " 34.79sec)

h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

= 23-04-56

2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison or academic

purpose)

a. 1950 23-04

b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec

(same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is here for 354 days)

c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950

(Just for academic purpose)

a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23-04-07.55

4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL), by

entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23-04-43.57),

a. Asc 222-18-06.40

b. Moon 16-02-10.20

c. Sun 244-26-02.57

d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2 to be

able to check with Astrdienst

No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

Best regards,

tw

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> Anant,

>

> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

> Asc is in fact correct.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>

> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As

per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950

is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan

will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less

by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on

date of Event.

> >

> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to

follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >

> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >

> >Chart details are:

> >

> >Male,

> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >Time 5:02am

> >I.S.T -5:30

> >10N46, 076E42

> >

> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >

> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

> >of the following:

> >

> >1. Got married.

> >2. Emigrated to the USA

> >3. Son Born.

> >4 Promotion in job.

> >

> >It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

> >to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

> >

> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

> >answer will be provided.

> >

> >Ron Gaunt

> >

November 18, 2004

Hi Everyone,

I’m new to

this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology. Anyway, I have a few

concerns about the “corrected” KP Ayanamsa posted below in light of

the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052. (Thanks for that Table from

tw853 – didn’t catch your name – sorry J).

Please

enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy…According to my calculations with

respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am trying to get

straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for KPBC2 for December 20th,

1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was derived from re-setting the KP

Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to reflect the values posted in the email

and Table that followed. If for April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is

23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April 15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT

see how the correct ayanamsa for December 20th 1950 can be anything

other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha

sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for the date in question: November 2, 1979.

If anyone uses

SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected (I believe?) KP

ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into the SJS Global Options

set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting to reflect the accuracy based

on the new Table given in the previous email. I left the setting on KP and then

custom set the Epoch to January 1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to

22:22:16 (to reflect the KP ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the

Annual Precession to 50:2388475.

All the

Best,

Sandy

Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

rongaunt [rongaunt]

Thursday, November 18, 2004

8:32 AM

Re: KPBC2

Sorry again. Typing error in

last message. Ayanamsa should

have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

Ron Gaunt

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>

>Anant,

>

>Sorry, that was a bit

misleading. I should have stated that

>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa

1900. I think you will find the

>Asc is in fact correct.

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>

>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2.

appears to be incorrect. As per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN

on 15th April 1950 is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later,

the Ayan will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30

is less by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa

on date of Event.

>>

>>This restriction should not be put, and

the members be advised to follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>>

>>rongaunt <rongaunt

wrote:

>>

>>Chart details are:

>>

>>Male,

>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>>Time 5:02am

>>I.S.T -5:30

>>10N46, 076E42

>>

>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>>

>>What happened on the 2 November 1979?

Choose from one

>>of the following:

>>

>>1. Got married.

>>2. Emigrated to the USA

>>3. Son Born.

>>4 Promotion in job.

>>

>>It would be preferable if respondents

could give reasons up front

>>to help others in their understanding.

However, if time is at

>>a premium just the answer is acceptable

initially. But please

>>be prepared to elaborate later if you

answer correctly.

>>

>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov

04. After which the

>>answer will be provided.

>>

>>Ron Gaunt

>>

November 18, 2004

Dear Sandy Crowther,

My manual calculation gives 23*4'56'' in Msg#1535, which is very

close to your computer calculation 23*4'58''.

A great pleasure to welcome a friend of late Barbara Cameron, who

wrote the most popular MaHaBote (Myanmar Astrology) book in English

after learning in Myanmar (before Burma). Now out of print, quoted in

hundred $ in old book market.

Best regards,

tw

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.

> Anyway, I have a few concerns about the " corrected " KP Ayanamsa

posted

> below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to

2052.

> (Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name -

sorry :-)).

>

> Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my

calculations

> with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am

> trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa

for

> KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was

> derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to

> reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If

for

> April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April

> 15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for

> December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This

ayanamsa

> give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke

for

> the date in question: November 2, 1979.

>

> If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this

corrected

> (I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went

into

> the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom

setting

> to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous

> email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to

January

> 1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the

KP

> ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual

Precession to

> 50:2388475.

>

All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

> rongaunt [rongaunt@b...]

> Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM

>

> Re: KPBC2

>

> Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should

> have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Anant,

> >

> >Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

> >ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

> >Asc is in fact correct.

> >

> >Ron Gaunt

> >

> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >

> >>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As

per

> the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is

> 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan

will be

> 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15

> minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on

date of

> Event.

> >>

> >>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to

> follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >>

> >>rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >>Chart details are:

> >>

> >>Male,

> >>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >>Time 5:02am

> >>I.S.T -5:30

> >>10N46, 076E42

> >>

> >>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >>

> >>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

> >>of the following:

> >>

> >>1. Got married.

> >>2. Emigrated to the USA

> >>3. Son Born.

> >>4 Promotion in job.

> >>

> >>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

> >>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

> >>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

> >>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

> >>

> >>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

> >>answer will be provided.

> >>

> >>Ron Gaunt

> >>

November 18, 2004

Dear All KP Guru's,

I am regular reader of all the messages posted on this group. You guys are great in every aspect of KP Astrology. Since I am a new to KP System, I would appreciate

if anyone of you can post or mail correct KPBC chart along with its details based on correct Ayanamsa to continue with Analysis. Thanks tw853, Ron and all of you for providing such indepth analysis

Thanks

Sacham

tw853 <tw853 wrote:

Dear Sandy Crowther,My manual calculation gives 23*4'56'' in Msg#1535, which is very close to your computer calculation 23*4'58''.A great pleasure to welcome a friend of late Barbara Cameron, who wrote the most popular MaHaBote (Myanmar Astrology) book in English after learning in Myanmar (before Burma). Now out of print, quoted in hundred $ in old book market.Best regards,tw , "Sandy Crowther" <sandy@t...> wrote:> Hi Everyone,> > > > I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.> Anyway, I have a few concerns about the "corrected" KP Ayanamsa posted> below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052.> (Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name -

sorry :-)).> > > > Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my calculations> with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am> trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for> KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was> derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to> reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for> April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April> 15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for> December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa> give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for> the date in question: November 2, 1979.> > > > If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this

corrected> (I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into> the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting> to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous> email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January> 1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP> ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to> 50:2388475.> > > > > > > > All the Best,> > Sandy Crowther> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rongaunt [rongaunt@b...] > Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM> > Re: KPBC2> > > > > Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should> have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30> > Ron Gaunt> > > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:> > >> >Anant,> >> >Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that> >ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the> >Asc is in fact correct.> >> >Ron Gaunt> >> >>

>> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:> >> >>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per> the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is> 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be> 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15> minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of> Event.> >> > >>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to> follow the new kpa aynamsa.> >> > >>> >>> >>rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:> >>> >>Chart details are:> >>> >>Male,> >>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950> >>Time 5:02am> >>I.S.T -5:30> >>10N46, 076E42> >>>

>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)> >>> >>> >>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one > >>of the following:> >>> >>> >>1. Got married.> >>2. Emigrated to the USA> >>3. Son Born.> >>4 Promotion in job.> >>> >>> >>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front> >>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at> >>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please> >>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.> >>> >>> >>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the> >>answer will be provided.> >>> >>> >>Ron Gaunt> >>> >>> >>> >>>

>>

November 18, 2004

Hi Sandy,

How are you? Welcome to KP.

Vidyadhar

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

Sandy Crowther [sandy] Friday, 19 November 2004 1:37 AM Subject: RE: KPBC2

Hi Everyone,

I’m new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology. Anyway, I have a few concerns about the “corrected” KP Ayanamsa posted below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052. (Thanks for that Table from tw853 – didn’t catch your name – sorry J).

Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy…According to my calculations with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April 15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for the date in question: November 2, 1979.

If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected (I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January 1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to 50:2388475

November 18, 2004

Sandy,

Great to see you on this List. Don't worry about being new to

KP, so am I and possibly many others. It should be a great

place to learn.

Regarding you settings they seem almost spot on. I have

programmed GJ with the table and it comes up with 23:04:56

within 2 " of your calculation.

We have recently had discussions on this List regarding

calculating the Asc and I have realized that most Western

authored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles and

GEOCENTRIC planetary positions. Mr Raichur's program which

appears to be used by many of our Indian colleagues, converts the

geographical angles to geocentric. This means that there is a

slight difference between the Ascendants and house cusps.

In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as you state - an

Asc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using Geocentric angles the

Ascendant is 12Scorpio08:14. This difference will only be an

issue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of the subs, and

in most cases will give the same data. The dasa sequence is as

you stated for the event.

The only Western produced program that appears to have an option

to convert to Geocentric angles that I know is Solar Fire. I

have mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to include this -

and parallax in any future upgrade.

Ron Gaunt

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.

>Anyway, I have a few concerns about the " corrected " KP Ayanamsa posted

>below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052.

>(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name - sorry :-)).

>

>Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my calculations

>with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am

>trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for

>KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was

>derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to

>reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for

>April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April

>15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for

>December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa

>give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for

>the date in question: November 2, 1979.

>

>If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected

>(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into

>the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting

>to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous

>email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January

>1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP

>ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to

>50:2388475.

>

All the Best,

>

> Sandy Crowther

>

> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

>rongaunt [rongaunt]

>Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM

>

>Re: KPBC2

>

>Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should

>have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>

>>

>>Anant,

>>

>>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

>>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

>>Asc is in fact correct.

>>

>>Ron Gaunt

>>

>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>>

>>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per

>the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is

>23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be

>23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15

>minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of

>Event.

>>>

>>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to

>follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>>>

>>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>>>

>>>Chart details are:

>>>

>>>Male,

>>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>>>Time 5:02am

>>>I.S.T -5:30

>>>10N46, 076E42

>>>

>>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>>>

>>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>>>of the following:

>>>

>>>1. Got married.

>>>2. Emigrated to the USA

>>>3. Son Born.

>>>4 Promotion in job.

>>>

>>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

>>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>>>

>>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>>>answer will be provided.

>>>

>>>Ron Gaunt

>>>

November 19, 2004

tw,

I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time and about

13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between both

angles. This should not make too much difference unless near

the cusps.

My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas' both

show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-ordinates

given by a respected local astrologer for this particular case, I

suggest we go with these.

Ron Gaunt

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Dear Ron,

>

>1. " Place of birth " is usually given in AstroDatabank

>horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be able to

>check latitude and longitude.

>

>2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, " 10N46, 76E42 "

>given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures. However, as

>given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to Astrodienst atlas

>commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological websites.

>RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition, also shows the

>same figures.

>

>3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time,

>consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible differences

>in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12. " Sub lord " of

>cusp 9 also can be different.

>

>4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst ones ? Of

>course, results may not be the same. Also how about only six days

>timeline to give answer from the view point of wider participation

>and quality drive of brain work?

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>> tw,

>>

>> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates. However,

>> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the native was

>> born at Palghat.

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >Dear All,

>> >

>> >KPA for 20 December 1950

>> >

>> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

>> >

>> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

>> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

>> >

>> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

>> >

>> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 - 1900)

>> > = 50.2388475 + 0.00555

>> > = 50.2444sec

>> >

>> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354

>> >

>> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

>> >

>> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28 sec

>> >

>> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of " c " 34.79sec)

>> >

>> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

>> > = 23-04-56

>> >

>> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison or

>academic

>> >purpose)

>> >

>> >a. 1950 23-04

>> >

>> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec

>> >

>> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is here for 354

>days)

>> >

>> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

>> >

>> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950

>> >(Just for academic purpose)

>> >

>> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

>> >

>> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23-04-07.55

>> >

>> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL), by

>> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23-04-

>43.57),

>> >

>> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

>> >

>> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

>> >

>> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

>> >

>> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

>> >

>> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2 to be

>> >able to check with Astrdienst

>> >

>> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

>> >

>> >Best regards,

>> >

>> >tw

>> >

>> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >> Anant,

>> >>

>> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

>> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

>> >> Asc is in fact correct.

>> >>

>> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >>

>> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As

>> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April

>1950

>> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan

>> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is

>less

>> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa

>on

>> >date of Event.

>> >> >

>> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised

>to

>> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>> >> >

>> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >Chart details are:

>> >> >

>> >> >Male,

>> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>> >> >Time 5:02am

>> >> >I.S.T -5:30

>> >> >10N46, 076E42

>> >> >

>> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>> >> >

>> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>> >> >of the following:

>> >> >

>> >> >1. Got married.

>> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

>> >> >3. Son Born.

>> >> >4 Promotion in job.

>> >> >

>> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up

>front

>> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>> >> >

>> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>> >> >answer will be provided.

>> >> >

>> >> >Ron Gaunt

>> >> >

November 19, 2004

Dear Ron,

" Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently around 3deg

difference in Asc, possible differences in " sub-sub " lords of cusps

1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 " should not

make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart?

Best regards,

tw

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> tw,

>

> I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time and about

> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between both

> angles. This should not make too much difference unless near

> the cusps.

>

> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas' both

> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-ordinates

> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular case, I

> suggest we go with these.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Dear Ron,

> >

> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given in AstroDatabank

> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be able to

> >check latitude and longitude.

> >

> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, " 10N46, 76E42 "

> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures. However,

as

> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to Astrodienst atlas

> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological

websites.

> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition, also shows

the

> >same figures.

> >

> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time,

> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible differences

> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12. " Sub lord "

of

> >cusp 9 also can be different.

> >

> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst ones ? Of

> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only six days

> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider participation

> >and quality drive of brain work?

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> tw,

> >>

> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates. However,

> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the native was

> >> born at Palghat.

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >Dear All,

> >> >

> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

> >> >

> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

> >> >

> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

> >> >

> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

> >> >

> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 -

1900)

> >> > = 50.2388475 + 0.00555

> >> > = 50.2444sec

> >> >

> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354

> >> >

> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

> >> >

> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28

sec

> >> >

> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of " c "

34.79sec)

> >> >

> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

> >> > = 23-04-56

> >> >

> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison or

> >academic

> >> >purpose)

> >> >

> >> >a. 1950 23-04

> >> >

> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec

> >> >

> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is here for 354

> >days)

> >> >

> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

> >> >

> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950

> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

> >> >

> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

> >> >

> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23-

04-07.55

> >> >

> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL),

by

> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23-04-

> >43.57),

> >> >

> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

> >> >

> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

> >> >

> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

> >> >

> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

> >> >

> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2

to be

> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

> >> >

> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

> >> >

> >> >Best regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

> >> >> Anant,

> >> >>

> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find

the

> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

> >> >>

> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >>

> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect.

As

> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April

> >1950

> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the

Ayan

> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is

> >less

> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the

Dasa

> >on

> >> >date of Event.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be

advised

> >to

> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Chart details are:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Male,

> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >> >> >Time 5:02am

> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

> >> >> >of the following:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >1. Got married.

> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

> >> >> >3. Son Born.

> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up

> >front

> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which

the

> >> >> >answer will be provided.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >

November 19, 2004

Ron,

How do you program GJ with this table? I know GJ has the facility to set your own figures etc for the chosen ayanamsa. What are the exact steps involved? What are the figures I need to enter and where?

Thanks for your help.

Best regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

rongaunt [rongaunt] Friday, 19 November 2004 9:23 AM Subject: Re: KPBC2

Sandy,Great to see you on this List. Don't worry about being new toKP, so am I and possibly many others. It should be a greatplace to learn.Regarding you settings they seem almost spot on. I haveprogrammed GJ with the table and it comes up with 23:04:56within 2" of your calculation.We have recently had discussions on this List regardingcalculating the Asc and I have realized that most Westernauthored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles and GEOCENTRIC planetary positions. Mr Raichur's program whichappears to be used by many of our Indian colleagues, converts thegeographical angles to geocentric. This means that there is aslight difference between the Ascendants and house cusps.In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as you state - anAsc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using Geocentric angles theAscendant is 12Scorpio08:14. This difference will only be anissue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of the subs, andin most cases will give the same data. The dasa sequence is asyou stated for the event.The only Western produced program that appears to have an optionto convert to Geocentric angles that I know is Solar Fire. Ihave mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to include this -and parallax in any future upgrade.Ron GauntOn Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:>Hi Everyone,>> >>I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.>Anyway, I have a few concerns about the "corrected" KP Ayanamsa posted>below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052.>(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name - sorry :-)).>> >>Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my calculations>with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am>trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for>KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was>derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to>reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for>April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April>15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for>December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa>give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for>the date in question: November 2, 1979.>> >>If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected>(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into>the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting>to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous>email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January>1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP>ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to>50:2388475.>> >> >> >> All the Best,>> Sandy Crowther>> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>rongaunt [rongaunt] >Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM> >Re: KPBC2>> >>>Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should>have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30>>Ron Gaunt>>>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:>>>>>Anant,>>>>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that>>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the>>Asc is in fact correct.>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:>>>>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per>the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is>23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be>23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15>minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of>Event.>>> >>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to>follow the new kpa aynamsa.>>> >>>>>>>>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:>>>>>>Chart details are:>>>>>>Male,>>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950>>>Time 5:02am>>>I.S.T -5:30>>>10N46, 076E42>>>>>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)>>>>>>>>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one >>>of the following:>>>>>>>>>1. Got married.>>>2. Emigrated to the USA>>>3. Son Born.>>>4 Promotion in job.>>>>>>>>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front>>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at>>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please>>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.>>>>>>>>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the>>>answer will be provided.>>>>>>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

November 19, 2004

Dear TW,

Vidyadhar, and Ron,

Thanks for the

warm welcome.

I look forward

to learning all about the KP System (as time permits) – and perhaps this

list will be a great place to start. I had purchased (a while back) all 6 KP

Readers, and hope to start investigating them thoroughly very soon, and

eventually adding KP to my repertoire of astrological systems. So forgive me if

I lurk for a while, while trying to digest at least the basics of the system,

which I am not totally familiar with as of yet. If there is a KP overview

written up anywhere – please direct me to it.

A few (amateur)

comments about KPBC2:

With the heavy

involvement of the dasha planets leading straight back to significations of the

2nd house, and the 2nd house being highly significant for

at least three of the four selections (marriage, birth, and job related

activities given in the options listed in the blind chart choices), I will be

very interested in the KP systematic delineation process that leads one to

conclude the correct event at play on Nov. 2, 1979…So I hope that those

who are correct in their answer are prepared to delineate the “KP

way” on list for the benefit of those wanting to learn the analytical

process involved with KP delineations…Thanks!

All the

Best,

Sandy

Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

rongaunt

[rongaunt]

Thursday, November 18, 2004

5:23 PM

Re: KPBC2

Sandy,

Great to see you on this List. Don't worry

about being new to

KP, so am I and possibly many others.

It should be a great

place to learn.

Regarding you settings they seem almost spot

on. I have

programmed GJ with the table and it comes up with

23:04:56

within 2 " of your calculation.

We have recently had discussions on this List

regarding

calculating the Asc and I have realized that most

Western

authored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles

and

GEOCENTRIC planetary positions.

Mr Raichur's program which

appears to be used by many of our Indian

colleagues, converts the

geographical angles to

geocentric. This means that there is a

slight difference between the Ascendants and house

cusps.

In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as

you state - an

Asc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using

Geocentric angles the

Ascendant is 12Scorpio08:14.

This difference will only be an

issue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of

the subs, and

in most cases will give the same data.

The dasa sequence is as

you stated for the event.

The only Western produced program that appears to

have an option

to convert to Geocentric angles that I know is

Solar Fire. I

have mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to

include this -

and parallax in any future upgrade.

Ron Gaunt

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone,

>

>I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not

so new to Astrology.

>Anyway, I have a few concerns about the

" corrected " KP Ayanamsa posted

>below in light of the new KP Table posted for

the years 1900 to 2052.

>(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't

catch your name - sorry :-)).

>

>Please enlighten me if my logic is

fuzzy.According to my calculations

>with respect to the new Table posted for the

KP Ayanamsa (which I am

>trying to get straight once and for all), the

correct KP Ayanamsa for

>KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58.

This figure was

>derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS

(Shri Jyoti Star5) to

>reflect the values posted in the email and

Table that followed. If for

>April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and

the ayanamsa for April

>15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the

correct ayanamsa for

>December 20th 1950 can be anything other than

23:04:58. This ayanamsa

>give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha

sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for

>the date in question: November 2, 1979.

>

>If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I

derived at this corrected

>(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table

posted earlier - I went into

>the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa

and did a Custom setting

>to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table

given in the previous

>email. I left the setting on KP and then

custom set the Epoch to January

>1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to

22:22:16 (to reflect the KP

>ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set

the Annual Precession to

>50:2388475.

>

All the Best,

>

Sandy Crowther

>

> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>

>rongaunt

[rongaunt]

>Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM

>

>Re: KPBC2

>

>Sorry again. Typing error in

last message. Ayanamsa should

>have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>

>>

>>Anant,

>>

>>Sorry, that was a bit

misleading. I should have stated that

>>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa

1900. I think you will find the

>>Asc is in fact correct.

>>

>>Ron Gaunt

>>

>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you

wrote:

>>

>>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2.

appears to be incorrect. As per

>the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN

on 15th April 1950 is

>23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8

monthss later, the Ayan will be

>23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f

22 22 30 is less by 15

>minutes. This will affect Moon's

position and also the Dasa on date of

>Event.

>>>

>>>This restriction should not be put,

and the members be advised to

>follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>>>

>>>rongaunt

<rongaunt wrote:

>>>

>>>Chart details are:

>>>

>>>Male,

>>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>>>Time 5:02am

>>>I.S.T -5:30

>>>10N46, 076E42

>>>

>>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>>>

>>>What happened on the 2 November 1979?

Choose from one

>>>of the following:

>>>

>>>1. Got married.

>>>2. Emigrated to the USA

>>>3. Son Born.

>>>4 Promotion in job.

>>>

>>>It would be preferable if respondents

could give reasons up front

>>>to help others in their understanding.

However, if time is at

>>>a premium just the answer is

acceptable initially. But please

>>>be prepared to elaborate later if you

answer correctly.

>>>

>>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23

Nov 04. After which the

>>>answer will be provided.

>>>

>>>Ron Gaunt

>>>

November 19, 2004

Dear Ron Gaunt,

Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.

Best Regards,

tw

KPA 23*4'56''

Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

Cp D-M-S D-M-S

I 222-17-57 222-14-50

II 251-05-26 251-02-23

III 281-00-48 280-57-43

IV 312-49-16 312-46-05

V 345-04-05 345-00-53

VI 15-08-09 15-05-02

VII 42-17-57 42-14-50

VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23

IX 101-00-48 100-57-43

X 132-49-16 132-46-05

XI 165-04-05 165-00-53

XII 195-08-09 195-05-02

Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46

(2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions

Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl

I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra

II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra

III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve

IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me

V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju

VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa

VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju

VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me

IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve

X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra

XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve

XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa

Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34

(2) Differences in " Sub-sub " lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8, 9,10, 11

& 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 as mentioned in Msg#

1542 & 1545.

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> tw,

>

> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with the

> different co-ordinates.

>

> When you do this you will see that at:

>

> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is

> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.

>

> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is

> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.

>

> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Dear Ron,

> >

> > " Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently around 3deg

> >difference in Asc, possible differences in " sub-sub " lords of

cusps

> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 " should

not

> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart?

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> tw,

> >>

> >> I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time and about

> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between both

> >> angles. This should not make too much difference unless near

> >> the cusps.

> >>

> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas' both

> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-ordinates

> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular case, I

> >> suggest we go with these.

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >Dear Ron,

> >> >

> >> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given in AstroDatabank

> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be able

to

> >> >check latitude and longitude.

> >> >

> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, " 10N46,

76E42 "

> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures.

However,

> >as

> >> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to Astrodienst

atlas

> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological

> >websites.

> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition, also

shows

> >the

> >> >same figures.

> >> >

> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid.

Time,

> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible

differences

> >> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12. " Sub

lord "

> >of

> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.

> >> >

> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst

ones ? Of

> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only six

days

> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider

participation

> >> >and quality drive of brain work?

> >> >

> >> >Best regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> tw,

> >> >>

> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates.

However,

> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the native

was

> >> >> born at Palghat.

> >> >>

> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >>

> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Dear All,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

> >> >> >

> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

> >> >> >

> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

> >> >> >

> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

> >> >> >

> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 -

> >1900)

> >> >> > = 50.2388475 +

0.00555

> >> >> > = 50.2444sec

> >> >> >

> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354

> >> >> >

> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

> >> >> >

> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28

> >sec

> >> >> >

> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of " c "

> >34.79sec)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

> >> >> > = 23-04-56

> >> >> >

> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison or

> >> >academic

> >> >> >purpose)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04

> >> >> >

> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec

> >> >> >

> >> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is here for

354

> >> >days)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

> >> >> >

> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950

> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

> >> >> >

> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

> >> >> >

> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23-

> >04-07.55

> >> >> >

> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL),

> >by

> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23-04-

> >> >43.57),

> >> >> >

> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

> >> >> >

> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

> >> >> >

> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

> >> >> >

> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

> >> >> >

> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2

> >to be

> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

> >> >> >

> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >

> >> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

> >wrote:

> >> >> >> Anant,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated

that

> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will

find

> >the

> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be

incorrect.

> >As

> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th

April

> >> >1950

> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later,

the

> >Ayan

> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30

is

> >> >less

> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also

the

> >Dasa

> >> >on

> >> >> >date of Event.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be

> >advised

> >> >to

> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Chart details are:

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Male,

> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am

> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

> >> >> >> >of the following:

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >1. Got married.

> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.

> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons

up

> >> >front

> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if time

is at

> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But

please

> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After

which

> >the

> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >

November 19, 2004

Ron,

Thanks for the info. I am not able to access and download the file KPA.doc. I get a message "This page cannot be displayed". If you have this document with you, can I trouble you to send it to me please. I'll take it from there.

Thanks again for your time.

With best regards.

Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya

rongaunt [rongaunt] Friday, 19 November 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: KPBC2

Vaidun,First go to and click on .Go to the 'Files' Section and download the file KPA.doc dated17th Nov 2004. This gives over 150 years of the Krishnamurthiayanamsas since 1900.In GJ toward the top left click 'Prefs'. On the drop down menusecond from bottom click on 'Ayanamsa Prefs'. Under the slot for 'Krishnamurthi' mark 'use List also'. A window willopen to the right and you can place the various years ayanamsasas required. Note toward the top tick 'Use manual below' as this switches theoperation to your entries. Also note each years ayanamsashould start on the 15th April ie the first will be 15/4/1900 ifyou have GJ set up for European timing.The alignment date should be 23/3/0291 and the preces rate50.2388475I have actually programmed back from the alignment date at500 year intervals using the figures obtained from Solar Fire asI think they will be more accurate than the long interval between0291 and 1900. If you want these I can provide them.I have entered mine in 2year steps ie 1900, 1902,1904 etc so thatI should be very close to being exact, but I suspect that 5 yearintervals would also be pretty close.All the best Ron GauntOn Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:48:11 +1100, you wrote:>Ron,> >How do you program GJ with this table? I know GJ has the facility to set>your own figures etc for the chosen ayanamsa. What are the exact steps>involved? What are the figures I need to enter and where?> >Thanks for your help.> >Best regards.>>Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: <vvidya vvidya >>>> >> _____ >>rongaunt [rongaunt] >Friday, 19 November 2004 9:23 AM> >Re: KPBC2>>>>Sandy,>>Great to see you on this List. Don't worry about being new to>KP, so am I and possibly many others. It should be a great>place to learn.>>Regarding you settings they seem almost spot on. I have>programmed GJ with the table and it comes up with 23:04:56>within 2" of your calculation.>>We have recently had discussions on this List regarding>calculating the Asc and I have realized that most Western>authored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles and >GEOCENTRIC planetary positions. Mr Raichur's program which>appears to be used by many of our Indian colleagues, converts the>geographical angles to geocentric. This means that there is a>slight difference between the Ascendants and house cusps.>In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as you state - an>Asc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using Geocentric angles the>Ascendant is 12Scorpio08:14. This difference will only be an>issue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of the subs, and>in most cases will give the same data. The dasa sequence is as>you stated for the event.>>The only Western produced program that appears to have an option>to convert to Geocentric angles that I know is Solar Fire. I>have mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to include this ->and parallax in any future upgrade.>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:>>>Hi Everyone,>>>> >>>>I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.>>Anyway, I have a few concerns about the "corrected" KP Ayanamsa posted>>below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052.>>(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name - sorry :-)).>>>> >>>>Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my calculations>>with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am>>trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for>>KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was>>derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to>>reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for>>April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April>>15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for>>December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa>>give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for>>the date in question: November 2, 1979.>>>> >>>>If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected>>(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into>>the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting>>to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous>>email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January>>1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP>>ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to>>50:2388475.>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All the Best,>>>> Sandy Crowther>>>> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>rongaunt [rongaunt] >>Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM>> >>Re: KPBC2>>>> >>>>>>Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should>>have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:>>>>>>>>Anant,>>>>>>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that>>>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the>>>Asc is in fact correct.>>>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:>>>>>>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per>>the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is>>23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be>>23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15>>minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of>>Event.>>>> >>>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to>>follow the new kpa aynamsa.>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:>>>>>>>>Chart details are:>>>>>>>>Male,>>>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950>>>>Time 5:02am>>>>I.S.T -5:30>>>>10N46, 076E42>>>>>>>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)>>>>>>>>>>>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one >>>>of the following:>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Got married.>>>>2. Emigrated to the USA>>>>3. Son Born.>>>>4 Promotion in job.>>>>>>>>>>>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front>>>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at>>>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please>>>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.>>>>>>>>>>>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the>>>>answer will be provided.>>>>>>>>>>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

November 19, 2004

Vaidun,

Enclosed is the file as an attachment.

Ron Gaunt

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:03:06 +1100, you wrote:

>Ron,

>

>Thanks for the info. I am not able to access and download the file KPA.doc.

>I get a message " This page cannot be displayed " . If you have this document

>with you, can I trouble you to send it to me please. I'll take it from

>there.

>

>Thanks again for your time.

>

>With best regards.

>

>Vaidun Vidyadhar

>1 / 94 Marius Street

>Tamworth, NSW 2340

>Australia

>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

>Mobile: 0414 870 083

>Email: <vvidya vvidya

>

> _____

>

>rongaunt [rongaunt]

>Friday, 19 November 2004 10:54 PM

>

>Re: KPBC2

>

>Vaidun,

>

>First go to and click on .

>Go to the 'Files' Section and download the file KPA.doc dated

>17th Nov 2004. This gives over 150 years of the Krishnamurthi

>ayanamsas since 1900.

>

>In GJ toward the top left click 'Prefs'. On the drop down menu

>second from bottom click on 'Ayanamsa Prefs'. Under the

>slot for 'Krishnamurthi' mark 'use List also'. A window will

>open to the right and you can place the various years ayanamsas

>as required.

>

>Note toward the top tick 'Use manual below' as this switches the

>operation to your entries. Also note each years ayanamsa

>should start on the 15th April ie the first will be 15/4/1900 if

>you have GJ set up for European timing.

>

>The alignment date should be 23/3/0291 and the preces rate

>50.2388475

>

>I have actually programmed back from the alignment date at

>500 year intervals using the figures obtained from Solar Fire as

>I think they will be more accurate than the long interval between

>0291 and 1900. If you want these I can provide them.

>

>I have entered mine in 2year steps ie 1900, 1902,1904 etc so that

>I should be very close to being exact, but I suspect that 5 year

>intervals would also be pretty close.

>

>All the best

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:48:11 +1100, you wrote:

>

>>Ron,

>>

>>How do you program GJ with this table? I know GJ has the facility to set

>>your own figures etc for the chosen ayanamsa. What are the exact steps

>>involved? What are the figures I need to enter and where?

>>

>>Thanks for your help.

>>

>>Best regards.

>>

>>Vaidun Vidyadhar

>>1 / 94 Marius Street

>>Tamworth, NSW 2340

>>Australia

>>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

>>Mobile: 0414 870 083

>>Email: <vvidya vvidya

>>

>> _____

>>

>>rongaunt [rongaunt]

>>Friday, 19 November 2004 9:23 AM

>>

>>Re: KPBC2

>>

>>Sandy,

>>

>>Great to see you on this List. Don't worry about being new to

>>KP, so am I and possibly many others. It should be a great

>>place to learn.

>>

>>Regarding you settings they seem almost spot on. I have

>>programmed GJ with the table and it comes up with 23:04:56

>>within 2 " of your calculation.

>>

>>We have recently had discussions on this List regarding

>>calculating the Asc and I have realized that most Western

>>authored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles and

>>GEOCENTRIC planetary positions. Mr Raichur's program which

>>appears to be used by many of our Indian colleagues, converts the

>>geographical angles to geocentric. This means that there is a

>>slight difference between the Ascendants and house cusps.

>>In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as you state - an

>>Asc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using Geocentric angles the

>>Ascendant is 12Scorpio08:14. This difference will only be an

>>issue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of the subs, and

>>in most cases will give the same data. The dasa sequence is as

>>you stated for the event.

>>

>>The only Western produced program that appears to have an option

>>to convert to Geocentric angles that I know is Solar Fire. I

>>have mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to include this -

>>and parallax in any future upgrade.

>>

>>Ron Gaunt

>>

>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>>Hi Everyone,

>>>

>>>I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.

>>>Anyway, I have a few concerns about the " corrected " KP Ayanamsa posted

>>>below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to 2052.

>>>(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name - sorry :-)).

>>>

>>>Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my calculations

>>>with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I am

>>>trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa for

>>>KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was

>>>derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5) to

>>>reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If for

>>>April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for April

>>>15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for

>>>December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This ayanamsa

>>>give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke for

>>>the date in question: November 2, 1979.

>>>

>>>If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this corrected

>>>(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I went into

>>>the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom setting

>>>to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the previous

>>>email. I left the setting on KP and then custom set the Epoch to January

>>>1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the KP

>>>ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual Precession to

>>>50:2388475.

>>>

>>> All the Best,

>>>

>>> Sandy Crowther

>>>

>>> <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

>>>

>>>rongaunt [rongaunt]

>>>Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM

>>>

>>>Re: KPBC2

>>>

>>>Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should

>>>have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

>>>

>>>Ron Gaunt

>>>

>>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

>>>

>>>>

>>>>Anant,

>>>>

>>>>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

>>>>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

>>>>Asc is in fact correct.

>>>>

>>>>Ron Gaunt

>>>>

>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As per

>>>the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is

>>>23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan will be

>>>23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15

>>>minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on date of

>>>Event.

>>>>>

>>>>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to

>>>follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>>>>>

>>>>>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>Chart details are:

>>>>>

>>>>>Male,

>>>>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>>>>>Time 5:02am

>>>>>I.S.T -5:30

>>>>>10N46, 076E42

>>>>>

>>>>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>>>>>

>>>>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>>>>>of the following:

>>>>>

>>>>>1. Got married.

>>>>>2. Emigrated to the USA

>>>>>3. Son Born.

>>>>>4 Promotion in job.

>>>>>

>>>>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

>>>>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>>>>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>>>>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>>>>>

>>>>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>>>>>answer will be provided.

>>>>>

>>>>>Ron Gaunt

>>>>>

November 20, 2004

Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

The table has been sent to you.

Best regards,

tw

, " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya@o...>

wrote:

> Ron,

>

> How do you program GJ with this table? I know GJ has the facility

to set

> your own figures etc for the chosen ayanamsa. What are the exact

steps

> involved? What are the figures I need to enter and where?

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Best regards.

>

> Vaidun Vidyadhar

> 1 / 94 Marius Street

> Tamworth, NSW 2340

> Australia

> Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)

> Mobile: 0414 870 083

> Email: <vvidya@o...> vvidya@o...

>

> _____

>

> rongaunt [rongaunt@b...]

> Friday, 19 November 2004 9:23 AM

>

> Re: KPBC2

>

> Sandy,

>

> Great to see you on this List. Don't worry about being new to

> KP, so am I and possibly many others. It should be a great

> place to learn.

>

> Regarding you settings they seem almost spot on. I have

> programmed GJ with the table and it comes up with 23:04:56

> within 2 " of your calculation.

>

> We have recently had discussions on this List regarding

> calculating the Asc and I have realized that most Western

> authored software programs use GEOGRAPHICAL angles and

> GEOCENTRIC planetary positions. Mr Raichur's program which

> appears to be used by many of our Indian colleagues, converts the

> geographical angles to geocentric. This means that there is a

> slight difference between the Ascendants and house cusps.

> In KPBC2 our Western astrology programs shows - as you state - an

> Asc of around 12 Scorpio 17, but using Geocentric angles the

> Ascendant is 12Scorpio08:14. This difference will only be an

> issue when the Asc falls very close to the cusp of the subs, and

> in most cases will give the same data. The dasa sequence is as

> you stated for the event.

>

> The only Western produced program that appears to have an option

> to convert to Geocentric angles that I know is Solar Fire. I

> have mailed Parashara Light with suggestions to include this -

> and parallax in any future upgrade.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:37:03 -0500, you wrote:

>

> >Hi Everyone,

> >

> >I'm new to this group and new to KP, but not so new to Astrology.

> >Anyway, I have a few concerns about the " corrected " KP Ayanamsa

posted

> >below in light of the new KP Table posted for the years 1900 to

2052.

> >(Thanks for that Table from tw853 - didn't catch your name -

sorry :-)).

> >

> >Please enlighten me if my logic is fuzzy.According to my

calculations

> >with respect to the new Table posted for the KP Ayanamsa (which I

am

> >trying to get straight once and for all), the correct KP Ayanamsa

for

> >KPBC2 for December 20th, 1950 is actually 23:04:58. This figure was

> >derived from re-setting the KP Ayanamsa in SJS (Shri Jyoti Star5)

to

> >reflect the values posted in the email and Table that followed. If

for

> >April 15th 1950 the ayanamsa is 23:04:22, and the ayanamsa for

April

> >15th 1951 is 23:05:13, I do NOT see how the correct ayanamsa for

> >December 20th 1950 can be anything other than 23:04:58. This

ayanamsa

> >give a lagna of 12 Scorpio 17, and a dasha sequence of Mo Me Ju Ke

for

> >the date in question: November 2, 1979.

> >

> >If anyone uses SJS and is interested in how I derived at this

corrected

> >(I believe?) KP ayanamsa based on the Table posted earlier - I

went into

> >the SJS Global Options set for the KP Ayanamsa and did a Custom

setting

> >to reflect the accuracy based on the new Table given in the

January

> >1, 1900, custom set the Value at Epoch to 22:22:16 (to reflect the

KP

> >ayanamsa for Jan 1, 1900), and then custom set the Annual

Precession to

> >50:2388475.

> >

> > All the Best,

> >

> > Sandy Crowther

> >

> > <http://www.jupitersweb.com> http://www.jupitersweb.com

> >

> >rongaunt [rongaunt@b...]

> >Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:32 AM

> >

> >Re: KPBC2

> >

> >Sorry again. Typing error in last message. Ayanamsa should

> >have read 22:22:30 NOT 2:22:30

> >

> >Ron Gaunt

> >

> >On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:25:08 +1000, you wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>Anant,

> >>

> >>Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have stated that

> >>ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will find the

> >>Asc is in fact correct.

> >>

> >>Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >>

> >>>The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be incorrect. As

per

> >the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th April 1950 is

> >23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, the Ayan

will be

> >23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 30 is less by 15

> >minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also the Dasa on

date of

> >Event.

> >>>

> >>>This restriction should not be put, and the members be advised to

> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >>>

> >>>rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>>

> >>>Chart details are:

> >>>

> >>>Male,

> >>>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >>>Time 5:02am

> >>>I.S.T -5:30

> >>>10N46, 076E42

> >>>

> >>>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >>>

> >>>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

> >>>of the following:

> >>>

> >>>1. Got married.

> >>>2. Emigrated to the USA

> >>>3. Son Born.

> >>>4 Promotion in job.

> >>>

> >>>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

> >>>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

> >>>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

> >>>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

> >>>

> >>>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

> >>>answer will be provided.

> >>>

> >>>Ron Gaunt

> >>>

November 20, 2004

Dear Friends,

Accoding to me, possibility of option 1. Got married. is more than other options.

kanak bosmia

>Sourav Guchhait <sourav6282

>

>Re: KPBC2

>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:55:22 -0800 (PST)

>

>Respected Group members,

>Accoding to me, possibility of option 4.(Promotion in job) is more than other options.

> - Sourav.

>

>rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

>

>Chart details are:

>

>Male,

>D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>Time 5:02am

>I.S.T -5:30

>10N46, 076E42

>

>Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>

>What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one of the following:

>

>1. Got married.

>2. Emigrated to the USA

>3. Son Born.

>4. Promotion in job.

>

>It would be preferable if respondents could give reasons up front

>to help others in their understanding. However, if time is at

>a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But please

>be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.

>

>Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After which the

>answer will be provided.

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

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November 20, 2004

Dear Ron Gaunt,

It's okay. I can get it. I forgot to change a key for Geocentric in

Astraura. Astrodienst also can give both ways but there I have to

follow its latitude and longitude and do additional calculations.

It's common practice in all TOH to use Geocetric to ensure much more

accuracy and precision. We're living on earth not in the haven and

true center of earth is geocentric latitude. All astrological

considerations are based on geocentric positions of planets, since

Astrology is concerned with planetary motions only as they affect the

earth. I can't run Sri Raichur's demo anymore. I mean I can't raed

the results.

Tahnk you.

Best regards,

tw

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> tw,

>

> I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet to

> program his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric angles

> anyhow.

>

> My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire and

> this is not suitable for transmission except to other S.F. Users

> - and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs program

> because of the differences in precession between the programs.

>

> I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it on

> KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and my

> other programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.

> Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.

>

> Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using Mr

> Raichurs software?

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

> >

> >Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able for

> >participants to use it in this particular case.

> >

> >Thank you.

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> tw,

> >>

> >> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only work

> >> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is

> >> inevitable that there is going to be differences between

> >> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area is

> >> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of

> >> computational error. Also note that you are using

> >> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian

> >> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.

> >> This again can introduce differences, particularly at the sub sub

> >> level.

> >>

> >> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house

> >> where one calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,

> >> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.

> >>

> >> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply

> >> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the town,

> >> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in

> >> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases

> >> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However

> >> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates.

> >>

> >> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th cusp

> >> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong

> >> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the information

> >> was provided by a well respected local astrologer. He only

> >> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I suggest

> >> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42

> >>

> >> Vaidun Vidyadhar >

> >>

> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >> >

> >> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.

> >> >

> >> >Best Regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> >KPA 23*4'56''

> >> >

> >> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

> >> >

> >> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S

> >> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50

> >> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23

> >> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43

> >> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05

> >> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53

> >> >VI 15-08-09 15-05-02

> >> >VII 42-17-57 42-14-50

> >> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23

> >> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43

> >> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05

> >> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53

> >> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02

> >> >

> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46

> >> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions

> >> >

> >> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

> >> >

> >> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl

> >> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra

> >> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra

> >> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve

> >> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me

> >> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju

> >> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa

> >> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju

> >> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me

> >> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve

> >> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra

> >> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve

> >> >XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa

> >> >

> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34

> >> > (2) Differences in " Sub-sub " lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8,

9,10,

> >11

> >> > & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 as mentioned in

> >Msg#

> >> > 1542 & 1545.

> >> >

> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> tw,

> >> >>

> >> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with

the

> >> >> different co-ordinates.

> >> >>

> >> >> When you do this you will see that at:

> >> >>

> >> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is

> >> >> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.

> >> >>

> >> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is

> >> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.

> >> >>

> >> >> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.

> >> >>

> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >>

> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Dear Ron,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > " Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently

around

> >3deg

> >> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in " sub-sub " lords

of

> >> >cusps

> >> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 "

> >should

> >> >not

> >> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >

> >> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

> >wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> tw,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time

and

> >about

> >> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between

both

> >> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference unless

> >near

> >> >> >> the cusps.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas'

> >both

> >> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-

> >ordinates

> >> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular

> >case, I

> >> >> >> suggest we go with these.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Dear Ron,

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given in AstroDatabank

> >> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be

> >able

> >> >to

> >> >> >> >check latitude and longitude.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, " 10N46,

> >> >76E42 "

> >> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures.

> >> >However,

> >> >> >as

> >> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to

Astrodienst

> >> >atlas

> >> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological

> >> >> >websites.

> >> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition,

also

> >> >shows

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >same figures.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid.

> >> >Time,

> >> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible

> >> >differences

> >> >> >> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11

& 12. " Sub

> >> >lord "

> >> >> >of

> >> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst

> >> >ones ? Of

> >> >> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only

six

> >> >days

> >> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider

> >> >participation

> >> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

<rongaunt@b...>

> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> tw,

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates.

> >> >However,

> >> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the

> >native

> >> >was

> >> >> >> >> born at Palghat.

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >Dear All,

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

> >> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111

(1950 -

> >> >> >1900)

> >> >> >> >> > = 50.2388475

+

> >> >0.00555

> >> >> >> >> > = 50.2444sec

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec

20 =354

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365)

= 34.28

> >> >> >sec

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec

of " c "

> >> >> >34.79sec)

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

> >> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for

comparison

> >or

> >> >> >> >academic

> >> >> >> >> >purpose)

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)=

48.73 sec

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is

here

> >for

> >> >354

> >> >> >> >days)

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January

1950

> >> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus

14.45sec = 23-

> >> >> >04-07.55

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora

Light (JHL),

> >> >> >by

> >> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is

23-

> >04-

> >> >> >> >43.57),

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place

of KPBC2

> >> >> >to be

> >> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

> ><rongaunt@b...>

> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> Anant,

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have

> >stated

> >> >that

> >> >> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you

will

> >> >find

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be

> >> >incorrect.

> >> >> >As

> >> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on

15th

> >> >April

> >> >> >> >1950

> >> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss

later,

> >> >the

> >> >> >Ayan

> >> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22

22

> >30

> >> >is

> >> >> >> >less

> >> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and

also

> >> >the

> >> >> >Dasa

> >> >> >> >on

> >> >> >> >> >date of Event.

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members

be

> >> >> >advised

> >> >> >> >to

> >> >> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Male,

> >> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am

> >> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

> >> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from

one

> >> >> >> >> >> >of the following:

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.

> >> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

> >> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.

> >> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give

> >reasons

> >> >up

> >> >> >> >front

> >> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if

> >time

> >> >is at

> >> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially.

But

> >> >please

> >> >> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer

correctly.

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04.

After

> >> >which

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

dEAR RON

attached is the FREEHOR.EXE to be run underr DOS.rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

Anant,That is very good of you. It will help enormously.ThanksRon GauntOn Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:06:08 -0800, you wrote:>For attempting to solve Blind Charts, I am prepared to send to the group my Demo programme to the group. For getting full details, one may have to use other programmes or do some work. This would, I beleive, ensure what one may call unform playing field to all to test/improve there inter prtive skills. >Please let me know if this suits one and all>>>rongaunt wrote:>>>tw,>>I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet to>program his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric angles>anyhow.>>My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire and>this is not suitable for

transmission except to other S.F. Users>- and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs program>because of the differences in precession between the programs.>>I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it on>KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and my>other programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.>Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.>>Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using Mr>Raichurs software?>>>Ron Gaunt>>>>>>On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:>>>>>>>Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,>>>>Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able for >>participants to use it in this particular case.>>>>Thank you.>>>>Best

regards,>>>>tw >>>> , rongaunt wrote:>>> >>> tw,>>> >>> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only work>>> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is>>> inevitable that there is going to be differences between>>> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area is>>> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of>>> computational error. Also note that you are using>>> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian >>> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.>>> This again can introduce differences, particularly at the sub sub>>> level.>>> >>> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house>>> where one

calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,>>> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.>>> >>> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply>>> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the town,>>> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in>>> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases>>> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However>>> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates. >>> >>> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th cusp>>> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong>>> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the information>>> was provided by a well respected local astrologer. He only>>> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I

suggest>>> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42>>> >>> >>> Vaidun Vidyadhar > >>> >>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >Dear Ron Gaunt,>>> >>>> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.>>> >>>> >Best Regards,>>> >>>> >tw>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >KPA 23*4'56''>>> >>>> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39>>> >>>> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S>>> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50>>> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23>>> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43>>> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05>>> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53>>> >VI 15-08-09

15-05-02>>> >VII 42-17-57 42-14-50>>> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23>>> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43>>> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05>>> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53>>> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02>>> >>>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46 >>> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions>>> >>>> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39>>> >>>> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl>>> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra>>> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra>>> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve>>> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me>>> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju>>> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa>>> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju>>> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me>>> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo

Mo-Sa-Su-Ve>>> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra>>> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve>>> >XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa>>> >>>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34>>> > (2) Differences in "Sub-sub" lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8, 9,10, >>11 >>> > & 12 and also in "Sub lord" of cusp 9 as mentioned in >>Msg# >>> > 1542 & 1545.>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > , rongaunt wrote:>>> >> >>> >> tw,>>> >> >>> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with the>>> >> different co-ordinates.>>> >> >>> >> When you do this you will see that at:>>> >> >>> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is >>> >>

12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.>>> >> >>> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is>>> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.>>> >> >>> >> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Ron Gaunt>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:>>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >Dear Ron,>>> >> >>>> >> >"Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently around >>3deg >>> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in "sub-sub" lords of >>> >cusps >>> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in "Sub lord" of cusp 9" >>should >>> >not

>>> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart? >>> >> >>>> >> >Best regards,>>> >> >>>> >> >tw>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > , rongaunt >>wrote:>>> >> >> >>> >> >> tw,>>> >> >> >>> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48" in sidereal time and >>about>>> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between both>>> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference unless >>near>>> >> >> the cusps.>>> >> >> >>> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas'

>>both>>> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co->>ordinates>>> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular >>case, I>>> >> >> suggest we go with these. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Ron Gaunt>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >Dear Ron,>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >1. "Place of birth" is usually given in AstroDatabank >>> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be >>able >>> >to

>>> >> >> >check latitude and longitude. >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, "10N46, >>> >76E42" >>> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures. >>> >However, >>> >> >as >>> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, "10N47, 76E39" according to Astrodienst >>> >atlas >>> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological >>> >> >websites. >>> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition, also >>> >shows >>> >> >the >>> >> >> >same figures.>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid.

>>> >Time, >>> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible >>> >differences >>> >> >> >in "sub-sub" lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12. "Sub >>> >lord" >>> >> >of >>> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst >>> >ones ? Of >>> >> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only six >>> >days >>> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider >>> >participation >>> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >Best regards,>>> >> >>

>>>> >> >> >tw>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> > , rongaunt >>> >wrote:>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> tw,>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates. >>> >However,>>> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the >>native >>> >was>>> >> >> >> born at Palghat.>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>

>> >> >>> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:>>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >Dear All,>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13>>> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec >>> >> >> >> >>>> >>

>> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 - >>> >> >1900)>>> >> >> >> > = 50.2388475 + >>> >0.00555>>> >> >> >> > = 50.2444sec>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28 >>> >> >sec>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of "c" >>> >> >34.79sec)>>> >> >> >> >>>>

>> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec>>> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison >>or >>> >> >> >academic >>> >> >> >> >purpose) >>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04 >>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > (same as in above "1.g", the difference is here >>for >>> >354 >>> >> >>

>days)>>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950>>> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose) >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23->>> >> >04-07.55>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >4. For

KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL), >>> >> >by >>> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23->>04->>> >> >> >43.57), >>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2

>>> >> >to be >>> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >Best regards,>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >tw>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> > , rongaunt >> >>> >> >wrote:>>> >> >> >> >> Anant,>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit

misleading. I should have >>stated >>> >that>>> >> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will >>> >find >>> >> >the>>> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be >>> >incorrect. >>> >> >As >>> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded

to-day, the AYAN on 15th >>> >April >>> >> >> >1950 >>> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, >>> >the >>> >> >Ayan >>> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 >>30 >>> >is >>> >> >> >less >>> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also >>> >the >>> >> >Dasa >>> >> >> >on >>> >> >> >> >date of Event.>>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be >>> >> >advised >>> >> >> >to >>> >>

>> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.>>> >> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >rongaunt wrote:>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >Male,>>> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950>>> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am>>> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30>>> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)>>>

>> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one >>> >> >> >> >> >of the following:>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.>>> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA>>> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.>>> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give >>reasons >>> >up >>> >> >>

>front>>> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if >>time >>> >is at>>> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But >>> >please>>> >> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After >>> >which >>> >> >the>>> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt>>> >> >>

>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

Sirji,

Thanks in advance.anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote:

For attempting to solve Blind Charts, I am prepared to send to the group my Demo programme to the group. For getting full details, one may have to use other programmes or do some work. This would, I beleive, ensure what one may call unform playing field to all to test/improve there inter prtive skills.

Please let me know if this suits one and all

rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

tw,I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet toprogram his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric anglesanyhow.My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire andthis is not suitable for transmission except to other S.F. Users- and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs programbecause of the differences in precession between the programs.I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it onKPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and myother programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using MrRaichurs software?Ron GauntOn Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you

wrote:>>>Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,>>Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able for >participants to use it in this particular case.>>Thank you.>>Best regards,>>tw >> , rongaunt wrote:>> >> tw,>> >> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only work>> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is>> inevitable that there is going to be differences between>> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area is>> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of>> computational error. Also note that you are using>> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian >> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.>> This again can introduce

differences, particularly at the sub sub>> level.>> >> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house>> where one calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,>> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.>> >> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply>> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the town,>> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in>> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases>> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However>> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates. >> >> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th cusp>> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong>> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the information>> was provided by a well

respected local astrologer. He only>> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I suggest>> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42>> >> >> Vaidun Vidyadhar > >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:>> >> >>> >>> >Dear Ron Gaunt,>> >>> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.>> >>> >Best Regards,>> >>> >tw>> >>> >>> >>> >KPA 23*4'56''>> >>> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39>> >>> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S>> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50>> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23>> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43>> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05>> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53>> >VI 15-08-09 15-05-02>>

>VII 42-17-57 42-14-50>> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23>> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43>> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05>> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53>> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02>> >>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46 >> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions>> >>> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39>> >>> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl>> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra>> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra>> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve>> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me>> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju>> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa>> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju>> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me>> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve>> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra>> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve>> >XII

Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa>> >>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34>> > (2) Differences in "Sub-sub" lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8, 9,10, >11 >> > & 12 and also in "Sub lord" of cusp 9 as mentioned in >Msg# >> > 1542 & 1545.>> >>> >>> >>> > , rongaunt wrote:>> >> >> >> tw,>> >> >> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with the>> >> different co-ordinates.>> >> >> >> When you do this you will see that at:>> >> >> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is >> >> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.>> >> >> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is>> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.>> >> >> >> The

difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.>> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:>> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> >> >Dear Ron,>> >> >>> >> >"Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently around >3deg >> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in "sub-sub" lords of >> >cusps >> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in "Sub lord" of cusp 9" >should >> >not >> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart? >> >> >>> >> >Best regards,>> >> >>> >> >tw>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >--- In

, rongaunt >wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> tw,>> >> >> >> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48" in sidereal time and >about>> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between both>> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference unless >near>> >> >> the cusps.>> >> >> >> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas' >both>> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co->ordinates>> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular >case, I>> >> >> suggest we go with these. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron

Gaunt>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >Dear Ron,>> >> >> >>> >> >> >1. "Place of birth" is usually given in AstroDatabank >> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be >able >> >to >> >> >> >check latitude and longitude. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, "10N46, >> >76E42" >> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures. >> >However, >> >> >as >> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, "10N47, 76E39" according to Astrodienst

>> >atlas >> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological >> >> >websites. >> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition, also >> >shows >> >> >the >> >> >> >same figures.>> >> >> >>> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid. >> >Time, >> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible >> >differences >> >> >> >in "sub-sub" lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12. "Sub >> >lord" >> >> >of >> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.>> >> >> >>> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst >> >ones ? Of >> >>

>> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only six >> >days >> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider >> >participation >> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?>> >> >> >>> >> >> >Best regards,>> >> >> >>> >> >> >tw>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > , rongaunt >> >wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> tw,>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates. >> >However,>> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the

>native >> >was>> >> >> >> born at Palghat.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >Dear All,>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951

23-05-13>> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111 (1950 - >> >> >1900)>> >> >> >> > = 50.2388475 + >> >0.00555>> >> >> >> > = 50.2444sec>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec 20 =354>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365) = 34.28 >> >> >sec>> >> >> >>

>>> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec of "c" >> >> >34.79sec)>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec>> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for comparison >or >> >> >> >academic >> >> >> >> >purpose) >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04 >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)= 48.73 sec>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>

> (same as in above "1.g", the difference is here >for >> >354 >> >> >> >days)>> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January 1950>> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23->> >> >04-07.55>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>

>>> >> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora Light (JHL), >> >> >by >> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23->04->> >> >> >43.57), >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place of KPBC2 >>

>> >to be >> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >Best regards,>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >tw>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> > , rongaunt > >> >> >wrote:>> >> >> >> >> Anant,>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have >stated >> >that>>

>> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will >> >find >> >> >the>> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be >> >incorrect. >> >> >As >> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on 15th >> >April >> >> >> >1950 >> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On

20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later, >> >the >> >> >Ayan >> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22 22 >30 >> >is >> >> >> >less >> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and also >> >the >> >> >Dasa >> >> >> >on >> >> >> >> >date of Event.>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members be >> >> >advised >> >> >> >to >> >> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>>

>> >> >> >> >rongaunt wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >Male,>> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950>> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am>> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30>> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one >> >> >> >> >> >of the

following:>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.>> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA>> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.>> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give >reasons >> >up >> >> >> >front>> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if >time >> >is at>> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially. But >> >please>> >> >> >>

>> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer correctly.>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After >> >which >> >> >the>> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

yw,

Glad you found a way to get geocentric angles.

Regarding geocentric being the correct way, I think I will have

to wait and see, before I go whole hearted into it. My

experience as a result of Garth Allen's work suggests that

parallax moon (which is geographic) produces good results in

eclipse and new moon situations. Consequently I suspect that

geographic is valid at least in some situations.

Fortunately, there is little difference between the two and in

most cases would not change the Sub Lord.

Ron Gaunt

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:18:09 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Dear Ron Gaunt,

>

>It's okay. I can get it. I forgot to change a key for Geocentric in

>Astraura. Astrodienst also can give both ways but there I have to

>follow its latitude and longitude and do additional calculations.

>It's common practice in all TOH to use Geocetric to ensure much more

>accuracy and precision. We're living on earth not in the haven and

>true center of earth is geocentric latitude. All astrological

>considerations are based on geocentric positions of planets, since

>Astrology is concerned with planetary motions only as they affect the

>earth. I can't run Sri Raichur's demo anymore. I mean I can't raed

>the results.

>

>Tahnk you.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>>

>> tw,

>>

>> I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet to

>> program his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric angles

>> anyhow.

>>

>> My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire and

>> this is not suitable for transmission except to other S.F. Users

>> - and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs program

>> because of the differences in precession between the programs.

>>

>> I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it on

>> KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and my

>> other programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.

>> Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.

>>

>> Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using Mr

>> Raichurs software?

>>

>> Ron Gaunt

>>

>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

>> >

>> >Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able for

>> >participants to use it in this particular case.

>> >

>> >Thank you.

>> >

>> >Best regards,

>> >

>> >tw

>> >

>> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >>

>> >> tw,

>> >>

>> >> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only work

>> >> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is

>> >> inevitable that there is going to be differences between

>> >> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area is

>> >> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of

>> >> computational error. Also note that you are using

>> >> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian

>> >> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.

>> >> This again can introduce differences, particularly at the sub sub

>> >> level.

>> >>

>> >> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house

>> >> where one calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,

>> >> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.

>> >>

>> >> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply

>> >> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the town,

>> >> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in

>> >> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases

>> >> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However

>> >> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates.

>> >>

>> >> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th cusp

>> >> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong

>> >> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the information

>> >> was provided by a well respected local astrologer. He only

>> >> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I suggest

>> >> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42

>> >>

>> >> Vaidun Vidyadhar >

>> >>

>> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

>> >> >

>> >> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.

>> >> >

>> >> >Best Regards,

>> >> >

>> >> >tw

>> >> >

>> >> >KPA 23*4'56''

>> >> >

>> >> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

>> >> >

>> >> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S

>> >> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50

>> >> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23

>> >> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43

>> >> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05

>> >> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53

>> >> >VI 15-08-09 15-05-02

>> >> >VII 42-17-57 42-14-50

>> >> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23

>> >> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43

>> >> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05

>> >> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53

>> >> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02

>> >> >

>> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46

>> >> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions

>> >> >

>> >> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

>> >> >

>> >> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl

>> >> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra

>> >> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra

>> >> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve

>> >> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me

>> >> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju

>> >> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa

>> >> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju

>> >> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me

>> >> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve

>> >> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra

>> >> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve

>> >> >XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa

>> >> >

>> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34

>> >> > (2) Differences in " Sub-sub " lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8,

>9,10,

>> >11

>> >> > & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 as mentioned in

>> >Msg#

>> >> > 1542 & 1545.

>> >> >

>> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

>wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> tw,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with

>the

>> >> >> different co-ordinates.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> When you do this you will see that at:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is

>> >> >> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is

>> >> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >>

>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Dear Ron,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > " Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently

>around

>> >3deg

>> >> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in " sub-sub " lords

>of

>> >> >cusps

>> >> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 "

>> >should

>> >> >not

>> >> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1 chart?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >tw

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

>> >wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> tw,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time

>and

>> >about

>> >> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between

>both

>> >> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference unless

>> >near

>> >> >> >> the cusps.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer Atlas'

>> >both

>> >> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-

>> >ordinates

>> >> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this particular

>> >case, I

>> >> >> >> suggest we go with these.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >Dear Ron,

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given in AstroDatabank

>> >> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to be

>> >able

>> >> >to

>> >> >> >> >check latitude and longitude.

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat, " 10N46,

>> >> >76E42 "

>> >> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same figures.

>> >> >However,

>> >> >> >as

>> >> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to

>Astrodienst

>> >> >atlas

>> >> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological

>> >> >> >websites.

>> >> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition,

>also

>> >> >shows

>> >> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >same figures.

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in Sid.

>> >> >Time,

>> >> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible

>> >> >differences

>> >> >> >> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11

> & 12. " Sub

>> >> >lord "

>> >> >> >of

>> >> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst

>> >> >ones ? Of

>> >> >> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about only

>six

>> >> >days

>> >> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider

>> >> >participation

>> >> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >tw

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

><rongaunt@b...>

>> >> >wrote:

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> tw,

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-ordinates.

>> >> >However,

>> >> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the

>> >native

>> >> >was

>> >> >> >> >> born at Palghat.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Dear All,

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

>> >> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111

>(1950 -

>> >> >> >1900)

>> >> >> >> >> > = 50.2388475

>+

>> >> >0.00555

>> >> >> >> >> > = 50.2444sec

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec

>20 =354

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365)

>= 34.28

>> >> >> >sec

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec

>of " c "

>> >> >> >34.79sec)

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

>> >> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for

>comparison

>> >or

>> >> >> >> >academic

>> >> >> >> >> >purpose)

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)=

>48.73 sec

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is

>here

>> >for

>> >> >354

>> >> >> >> >days)

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January

>1950

>> >> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus

>14.45sec = 23-

>> >> >> >04-07.55

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora

>Light (JHL),

>> >> >> >by

>> >> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is

>23-

>> >04-

>> >> >> >> >43.57),

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-10d

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place

>of KPBC2

>> >> >> >to be

>> >> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42, 76E45, ????

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >tw

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

>> ><rongaunt@b...>

>> >> >> >wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >> Anant,

>> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should have

>> >stated

>> >> >that

>> >> >> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you

>will

>> >> >find

>> >> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

>> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to be

>> >> >incorrect.

>> >> >> >As

>> >> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN on

>15th

>> >> >April

>> >> >> >> >1950

>> >> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss

>later,

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >Ayan

>> >> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f 22

>22

>> >30

>> >> >is

>> >> >> >> >less

>> >> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position and

>also

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >Dasa

>> >> >> >> >on

>> >> >> >> >> >date of Event.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the members

>be

>> >> >> >advised

>> >> >> >> >to

>> >> >> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Male,

>> >> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am

>> >> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

>> >> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from

>one

>> >> >> >> >> >> >of the following:

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

>> >> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give

>> >reasons

>> >> >up

>> >> >> >> >front

>> >> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However, if

>> >time

>> >> >is at

>> >> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable initially.

>But

>> >> >please

>> >> >> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer

>correctly.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04.

>After

>> >> >which

>> >> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

Dear Ron Gaunt,

1. It was my understanding that all Astro softwares are

basiccaly set for " Geocentric " .

2. Astrodienst showis " Western geocentric (tropical) " . And there

are options for " Hindu/Lahiri geocentric (tropical) " , " heliocentric "

options and so on.

3. In AstroDatabank sample charts, it's clearly shown Geocentric.

4. By using same Swiss ephemeris, Astrodienst and Astro-Kundli

usually give more or less same results except in some cases,

indicating both are Geocentric.

5. Dos-written and printable on dot-matrix " Old One " software

also give more or less the same results for young natives showing

Geocentric.

6. GHL(Sanjay Rath Group) Junoir Jyotish (SA Group) also gives

more or less same results indicating they are also Geocentric.

7. However, Astroura is set for Geographic and it's necessary to

change for Geocentric.

Thanks for reminding me to make sure that I'm using Geocentric.

NO MORE DOUBT.

Best Regards,

tw

P.S.

" Geocentric and Geographic " are explained in

1.HOW TO CAST AND READ YOUR GOROSCOPE (K. HARIHARAN), p. 78-79 &

others, and

2.ASTROSECRETS & KP, P.302-320 (LlATITUDES AND LONGITUDES, GEOCENTRIC

LATITUDE.)

, rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>

> yw,

>

> Glad you found a way to get geocentric angles.

>

> Regarding geocentric being the correct way, I think I will have

> to wait and see, before I go whole hearted into it. My

> experience as a result of Garth Allen's work suggests that

> parallax moon (which is geographic) produces good results in

> eclipse and new moon situations. Consequently I suspect that

> geographic is valid at least in some situations.

>

> Fortunately, there is little difference between the two and in

> most cases would not change the Sub Lord.

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:18:09 +0000, you wrote:

>

> >

> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >

> >It's okay. I can get it. I forgot to change a key for Geocentric

in

> >Astraura. Astrodienst also can give both ways but there I have to

> >follow its latitude and longitude and do additional calculations.

> >It's common practice in all TOH to use Geocetric to ensure much

more

> >accuracy and precision. We're living on earth not in the haven and

> >true center of earth is geocentric latitude. All astrological

> >considerations are based on geocentric positions of planets, since

> >Astrology is concerned with planetary motions only as they affect

the

> >earth. I can't run Sri Raichur's demo anymore. I mean I can't raed

> >the results.

> >

> >Tahnk you.

> >

> >Best regards,

> >

> >tw

> >

> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >>

> >> tw,

> >>

> >> I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet to

> >> program his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric angles

> >> anyhow.

> >>

> >> My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire and

> >> this is not suitable for transmission except to other S.F. Users

> >> - and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs program

> >> because of the differences in precession between the programs.

> >>

> >> I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it on

> >> KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and my

> >> other programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.

> >> Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.

> >>

> >> Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using Mr

> >> Raichurs software?

> >>

> >> Ron Gaunt

> >>

> >> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >> >Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

> >> >

> >> >Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able

for

> >> >participants to use it in this particular case.

> >> >

> >> >Thank you.

> >> >

> >> >Best regards,

> >> >

> >> >tw

> >> >

> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> tw,

> >> >>

> >> >> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only

work

> >> >> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is

> >> >> inevitable that there is going to be differences between

> >> >> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area

is

> >> >> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of

> >> >> computational error. Also note that you are using

> >> >> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian

> >> >> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.

> >> >> This again can introduce differences, particularly at the sub

sub

> >> >> level.

> >> >>

> >> >> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house

> >> >> where one calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,

> >> >> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.

> >> >>

> >> >> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply

> >> >> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the

town,

> >> >> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in

> >> >> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases

> >> >> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However

> >> >> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates.

> >> >>

> >> >> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th

cusp

> >> >> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong

> >> >> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the

information

> >> >> was provided by a well respected local astrologer. He only

> >> >> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I

suggest

> >> >> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42

> >> >>

> >> >> Vaidun Vidyadhar >

> >> >>

> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Best Regards,

> >> >> >

> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >

> >> >> >KPA 23*4'56''

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S

> >> >> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50

> >> >> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23

> >> >> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43

> >> >> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05

> >> >> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53

> >> >> >VI 15-08-09 15-05-02

> >> >> >VII 42-17-57 42-14-50

> >> >> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23

> >> >> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43

> >> >> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05

> >> >> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53

> >> >> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46

> >> >> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl

> >> >> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra

> >> >> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra

> >> >> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve

> >> >> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me

> >> >> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju

> >> >> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa

> >> >> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju

> >> >> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me

> >> >> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve

> >> >> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra

> >> >> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve

> >> >> >XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa

> >> >> >

> >> >> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34

> >> >> > (2) Differences in " Sub-sub " lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8,

> >9,10,

> >> >11

> >> >> > & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 as mentioned

in

> >> >Msg#

> >> >> > 1542 & 1545.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...>

> >wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> tw,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart

with

> >the

> >> >> >> different co-ordinates.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> When you do this you will see that at:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is

> >> >> >> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is

> >> >> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Dear Ron,

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > " Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time, consequently

> >around

> >> >3deg

> >> >> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in " sub-sub "

lords

> >of

> >> >> >cusps

> >> >> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp

9 "

> >> >should

> >> >> >not

> >> >> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1

chart?

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

<rongaunt@b...>

> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> tw,

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48 " in sidereal time

> >and

> >> >about

> >> >> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference between

> >both

> >> >> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference

unless

> >> >near

> >> >> >> >> the cusps.

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer

Atlas'

> >> >both

> >> >> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-

> >> >ordinates

> >> >> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this

particular

> >> >case, I

> >> >> >> >> suggest we go with these.

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >Dear Ron,

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given in

AstroDatabank

> >> >> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts, etc to

be

> >> >able

> >> >> >to

> >> >> >> >> >check latitude and longitude.

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 ,

Palghat, " 10N46,

> >> >> >76E42 "

> >> >> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same

figures.

> >> >> >However,

> >> >> >> >as

> >> >> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 " according to

> >Astrodienst

> >> >> >atlas

> >> >> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by

astrological

> >> >> >> >websites.

> >> >> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece Edition,

> >also

> >> >> >shows

> >> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >same figures.

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in

Sid.

> >> >> >Time,

> >> >> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc, possible

> >> >> >differences

> >> >> >> >> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11

> > & 12. " Sub

> >> >> >lord "

> >> >> >> >of

> >> >> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or

Astrodienst

> >> >> >ones ? Of

> >> >> >> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how about

only

> >six

> >> >> >days

> >> >> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of wider

> >> >> >participation

> >> >> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

> ><rongaunt@b...>

> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> tw,

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the co-

ordinates.

> >> >> >However,

> >> >> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears that the

> >> >native

> >> >> >was

> >> >> >> >> >> born at Palghat.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Dear All,

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

> >> >> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475 +0.000111

> >(1950 -

> >> >> >> >1900)

> >> >> >> >> >> > =

50.2388475

> >+

> >> >> >0.00555

> >> >> >> >> >> > =

50.2444sec

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105, for Dec

> >20 =354

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249 days

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444 (249/365)

> >= 34.28

> >> >> >> >sec

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by taking 00-51sec

> >of " c "

> >> >> >> >34.79sec)

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

> >> >> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just for

> >comparison

> >> >or

> >> >> >> >> >academic

> >> >> >> >> >> >purpose)

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444 (354/365)=

> >48.73 sec

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the difference is

> >here

> >> >for

> >> >> >354

> >> >> >> >> >days)

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for 1st January

> >1950

> >> >> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) = 14.45c

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus

> >14.45sec = 23-

> >> >> >> >04-07.55

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha Hora

> >Light (JHL),

> >> >> >> >by

> >> >> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA

is

> >23-

> >> >04-

> >> >> >> >> >43.57),

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth 16y-11m-

10d

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing birth place

> >of KPBC2

> >> >> >> >to be

> >> >> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur 10N42,

76E45, ????

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >Best regards,

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >tw

> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> > , rongaunt

> >> ><rongaunt@b...>

> >> >> >> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> >> Anant,

> >> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading. I should

have

> >> >stated

> >> >> >that

> >> >> >> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think

you

> >will

> >> >> >find

> >> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

> >> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the BLC2. appears to

be

> >> >> >incorrect.

> >> >> >> >As

> >> >> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded to-day, the AYAN

on

> >15th

> >> >> >April

> >> >> >> >> >1950

> >> >> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss

> >later,

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >Ayan

> >> >> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified ayanmasa 0f

22

> >22

> >> >30

> >> >> >is

> >> >> >> >> >less

> >> >> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's position

and

> >also

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >Dasa

> >> >> >> >> >on

> >> >> >> >> >> >date of Event.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be put, and the

members

> >be

> >> >> >> >advised

> >> >> >> >> >to

> >> >> >> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Male,

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose

from

> >one

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >of the following:

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if respondents could give

> >> >reasons

> >> >> >up

> >> >> >> >> >front

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their understanding. However,

if

> >> >time

> >> >> >is at

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is acceptable

initially.

> >But

> >> >> >please

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later if you answer

> >correctly.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04.

> >After

> >> >> >which

> >> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

Dear Anant

Raichur,

Such a generous

and giving offer…Thanks.

Do you have a

website you can direct me to which offers detailed information about your

software program?

All the

Best,

Sandy

Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com

anant raichur

[anant_1608]

Saturday, November 20, 2004

2:06 AM

Re: Re:

KPBC2

For attempting to solve Blind Charts, I am prepared to

send to the group my Demo programme to the group. For getting full

details, one may have to use other programmes or do some work. This

would, I beleive, ensure what one may call unform playing field to all to

test/improve there inter prtive skills.

Please let me know if this suits one and all

rongaunt

<rongaunt wrote:

tw,

I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun has yet to

program his GJ software - and it does not give Geocentric angles

anyhow.

My only access to Geocentric angles is through Solar Fire and

this is not suitable for transmission except to other S.F. Users

- and anyhow would show slightly different to Mr Raichurs program

because of the differences in precession between the programs.

I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's program but trying it on

KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference between it and my

other programs that I think I must have a corrupted version.

Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric angles.

Would one of our Indian friends like to post a chart using Mr

Raichurs software?

Ron Gaunt

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

>

>Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric angles to be able for

>participants to use it in this particular case.

>

>Thank you.

>

>Best regards,

>

>tw

>

> , rongaunt wrote:

>>

>> tw,

>>

>> For all practical purposes most KP astrologers seem to only work

>> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub sub lord level it is

>> inevitable that there is going to be differences between

>> different programs; and I suspect that this is why this area is

>> as yet relatively unexplored - because of the possibility of

>> computational error. Also note that you are using

>> GEOGRAPHICAL angles and houses, whereas many Indian

>> astrologers on this list appear to be using GEOCENTRIC angles.

>> This again can introduce differences, particularly at the sub sub

>> level.

>>

>> The remaining point of difference is the sub of the 9th house

>> where one calculation shows sub as Moon and the other as Sun,

>> because here is close to the cusp of the sub.

>>

>> Really nothing has changed from my original data. I simply

>> stated as a result of your request to know the name of the town,

>> that I noted that Palghat had the same coordinates as given in

>> the data. From there we have deviated, because some atlases

>> give slightly different coordinates for Palghat. However

>> others do in fact give exactly the same coordinates.

>>

>> I don't think we should get hung up on the fact that the 9th cusp

>> sub lord is different because some atlases may give the wrong

>> coordinates. The crux of the matter is that the information

>> was provided by a well respected local astrologer. He only

>> specified the coordinates not the name of the town. I suggest

>> we stick with his data of 10N46, 76E42

>>

>> Vaidun Vidyadhar >

>>

>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:06:44 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >Dear Ron Gaunt,

>> >

>> >Quation was raised after do doing so as given below.

>> >

>> >Best Regards,

>> >

>> >tw

>> >

>> >KPA 23*4'56''

>> >

>> >Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

>> >

>> >Cp D-M-S D-M-S

>> >I 222-17-57 222-14-50

>> >II 251-05-26 251-02-23

>> >III 281-00-48 280-57-43

>> >IV 312-49-16 312-46-05

>> >V 345-04-05 345-00-53

>> >VI 15-08-09 15-05-02

>> >VII 42-17-57 42-14-50

>> >VIII 71-05-26 71-02-23

>> >IX 101-00-48 100-57-43

>> >X 132-49-16 132-46-05

>> >XI 165-04-05 165-00-53

>> >XII 195-08-09 195-05-02

>> >

>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-46

>> > (2) Roughly 3min difference in cusp positions

>> >

>> > Comparison for 10N46, 76E42 & 10N47, 76E39

>> >

>> >Cp Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl Sgl-Stl-Sbl-Ssl

>> >I Ma-Sa-Ma-Ju Ma-Sa-Ma-Ra

>> >II Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra Ju-Ke-Sa-Ra

>> >III Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve Sa-Mo-Mo-Ve

>> >IV Sa-Ra-Me-Me Sa-Ra-Me-Me

>> >V Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju Ju-Sa-Ju-Ju

>> >VI Ma-Ve-Ve-Me Ma-Ve-Ve-Sa

>> >VII Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju Ve-Mo-Ra-Ju

>> >VIII Me-Ra-Sa-Ke Me-Ra-Sa-Me

>> >IX Mo-Sa-Mo-Mo Mo-Sa-Su-Ve

>> >X Su-Ke-Me-Ju Su-Ke-Me-Ra

>> >XI Me-Mo-Ju-Su Me-Mo-Ju-Ve

>> >XII Ve-Ra-Ke-Me Ve-Ra-Ke-Sa

>> >

>> >Note: (1) Sid Time 10-30-34

>> > (2) Differences in " Sub-sub " lords of Cusps 1, 6, 8,

9,10,

>11

>> > & 12 and also in " Sub lord " of cusp 9 as mentioned

in

>Msg#

>> > 1542 & 1545.

>> >

>> > , rongaunt wrote:

>> >>

>> >> tw,

>> >>

>> >> The easiest way to check this is simply put up the chart with

the

>> >> different co-ordinates.

>> >>

>> >> When you do this you will see that at:

>> >>

>> >> 10N46, 76E42 the Asc is

>> >> 12 Sco 19, and MC is 12 Leo 49.

>> >>

>> >> 10N47, 76E39 the Asc is

>> >> 12Sco 16 and MC is 12 Leo 46.

>> >>

>> >> The difference is only 3 minutes not degrees.

>> >>

>> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >>

>> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:55:23 +0000, you wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >Dear Ron,

>> >> >

>> >> > " Difference of around 12sec in Sid. Time,

consequently around

>3deg

>> >> >difference in Asc, possible differences in

" sub-sub " lords of

>> >cusps

>> >> >1, 4,6, 8, 9,10, 11 & 12 and also in " Sub

lord " of cusp 9 "

>should

>> >not

>> >> >make difference in analysis of this particular KPBC1

chart?

>> >> >

>> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >

>> >> >tw

>> >> >

>> >> > , rongaunt

>wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> tw,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I make it that there is only about 48 " in

sidereal time and

>about

>> >> >> 13' in longitude and 40' in latitude difference

between both

>> >> >> angles. This should not make too much difference

unless

>near

>> >> >> the cusps.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> My two Atlases 'The University Atlas' and the 'Myer

Atlas'

>both

>> >> >> show 10N46 and 76E42. As these were also the co-

>ordinates

>> >> >> given by a respected local astrologer for this

particular

>case, I

>> >> >> suggest we go with these.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >>

>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 02:29:25 +0000, you wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Dear Ron,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >1. " Place of birth " is usually given

in AstroDatabank

>> >> >> >horoscopes, Astrodienst charts, Khaldea charts,

etc to be

>able

>> >to

>> >> >> >check latitude and longitude.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >2. For example, birth place of KPBC2 , Palghat,

" 10N46,

>> >76E42 "

>> >> >> >given and Astro-Kundli is also showing the same

figures.

>> >However,

>> >> >as

>> >> >> >given in Msg#1535, " 10N47, 76E39 "

according to Astrodienst

>> >atlas

>> >> >> >commonly used by astrologers and referred by astrological

>> >> >websites.

>> >> >> >RAND McNALLY, Atlas of the World, Masterpiece

Edition, also

>> >shows

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >same figures.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >3. There can be a difference of around 12sec in

Sid.

>> >Time,

>> >> >> >consequently around 3deg difference in Asc,

possible

>> >differences

>> >> >> >in " sub-sub " lords of cusps 1, 4,6, 8,

9,10, 11 & 12. " Sub

>> >lord "

>> >> >of

>> >> >> >cusp 9 also can be different.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >4. Which one to take, given figures or Astrodienst

>> >ones ? Of

>> >> >> >course, results may not be the same. Also how

about only six

>> >days

>> >> >> >timeline to give answer from the view point of

wider

>> >participation

>> >> >> >and quality drive of brain work?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >tw

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > , rongaunt

>> >wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> tw,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> The only information I was given was the

co-ordinates.

>> >However,

>> >> >> >> I have checked with an atlas and it appears

that the

>native

>> >was

>> >> >> >> born at Palghat.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:54:04 +0000, you wrote:

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >Dear All,

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >KPA for 20 December 1950

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >1. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >a. 15 Apr 1951 23-05-13

>> >> >> >> >b. 15 Apr 1950 23-04-22

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >c. Increase by Table 00-51sec

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >d. Increase by formula = 50.2388475

+0.000111 (1950 -

>> >> >1900)

>> >> >> >> > = 50.2388475 +

>> >0.00555

>> >> >> >> > = 50.2444sec

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >e. Number Day of Year for Apr 15 = 105,

for Dec 20 =354

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >f. Difference in NDOY =354-105 =249

days

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >g. Fine tuning for 249 days = 50.2444

(249/365) = 34.28

>> >> >sec

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >(Note: for easier calculation , by

taking 00-51sec of " c "

>> >> >34.79sec)

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >h. KPA for 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04-22 + 34.28sec

>> >> >> >> > = 23-04-56

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >2. KPA from Table in KP Reader I (Just

for comparison

>or

>> >> >> >academic

>> >> >> >> >purpose)

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >a. 1950 23-04

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >b. Fine tuning for Dec 25, 50.2444

(354/365)= 48.73 sec

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> > (same as in above " 1.g " , the

difference is here

>for

>> >354

>> >> >> >days)

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >c. 20 Dec 1950 = 23-04 + 49 sec = 23-04-49

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >3. KPA from KP & ASTROLOGY 2003 for

1st January 1950

>> >> >> >> >(Just for academic purpose)

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >a. Fine tuning 50.2444 (105/365) =

14.45c

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >b. KPA for 1st Jan 1950 = 23-04-22 minus 14.45sec = 23-

>> >> >04-07.55

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >4. For KPBC2 , according to Jjagnnatha

Hora Light (JHL),

>> >> >by

>> >> >> >> >entering KPA 23-04-56 REPEAT 23-04-56 (its own KPA is 23-

>04-

>> >> >> >43.57),

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >a. Asc 222-18-06.40

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >b. Moon 16-02-10.20

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >c. Sun 244-26-02.57

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >d. Venus Tula dasa balance at birth

16y-11m-10d

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >5. Highly appreciated for providing

birth place of KPBC2

>> >> >to be

>> >> >> >> >able to check with Astrdienst

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >No Palghat 10N47, 76E39, No Chittur

10N42, 76E45, ????

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >Best regards,

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >tw

>> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> > ,

rongaunt

>

>> >> >wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> Anant,

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Sorry, that was a bit misleading.

I should have

>stated

>> >that

>> >> >> >> >> ayanamsa 2:22:30 was for circa 1900. I think you will

>> >find

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >> Asc is in fact correct.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:49 -0800, you wrote:

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> >The AYANAMSA specified in the

BLC2. appears to be

>> >incorrect.

>> >> >As

>> >> >> >> >per the NEW KPA tables, uploaded

to-day, the AYAN on 15th

>> >April

>> >> >> >1950

>> >> >> >> >is 23-04-22. On 20th Dec 1950, i.e. appr 8 monthss later,

>> >the

>> >> >Ayan

>> >> >> >> >will be 23 37 27(app). The specified

ayanmasa 0f 22 22

>30

>> >is

>> >> >> >less

>> >> >> >> >by 15 minutes. This will affect Moon's

position and also

>> >the

>> >> >Dasa

>> >> >> >on

>> >> >> >> >date of Event.

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >This restriction should not be

put, and the members be

>> >> >advised

>> >> >> >to

>> >> >> >> >follow the new kpa aynamsa.

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >rongaunt wrote:

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Chart details are:

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Male,

>> >> >> >> >> >D.O.B. 20th Dec 1950

>> >> >> >> >> >Time 5:02am

>> >> >> >> >> >I.S.T -5:30

>> >> >> >> >> >10N46, 076E42

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Asc 12 Scorpio 20 (ayanamsa 22:22:30)

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >What happened on the 2 November 1979? Choose from one

>> >> >> >> >> >of the following:

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >1. Got married.

>> >> >> >> >> >2. Emigrated to the USA

>> >> >> >> >> >3. Son Born.

>> >> >> >> >> >4 Promotion in job.

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >It would be preferable if

respondents could give

>reasons

>> >up

>> >> >> >front

>> >> >> >> >> >to help others in their

understanding. However, if

>time

>> >is at

>> >> >> >> >> >a premium just the answer is

acceptable initially. But

>> >please

>> >> >> >> >> >be prepared to elaborate later

if you answer correctly.

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Please reply by 00:00am GMT Tuesday 23 Nov 04. After

>> >which

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >> >answer will be provided.

>> >> >> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> >> >Ron Gaunt

>> >> >> >> >> >

November 20, 2004

Rajneesh,

I can answer this. I don't think tw has G.J.

GJ uses geographic angles and house cusps.

By the way I would suggest that you do not use the

Krishnamurti ayanamsa as set up as standard, as it is quite

different in modern times to those currently used and discussed

on this List. The best way is to reprogram as set out in my

mail headed KPBC2 of both 19th and 20th Nov to Vaidun.

You can then easily check and make manual adjustment if necessary

to get Geocentric angles by using Mr Raichur's demo program.

Ron Gaunt.

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:35:32 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Dear TW,

>Do you know if Goravani Jyotish uses, Geographic or

>Geocentric?

>Thanks

>-r

>--- tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

>>

>> Dear Ron Gaunt,

>>

>> 1. It was my understanding that all Astro softwares

>> are

>> basiccaly set for " Geocentric " .

>>

>> 2. Astrodienst showis " Western geocentric

>> (tropical) " . And there

>> are options for " Hindu/Lahiri geocentric

>> (tropical) " , " heliocentric "

>> options and so on.

>>

>> 3. In AstroDatabank sample charts, it's clearly

>> shown Geocentric.

>>

>> 4. By using same Swiss ephemeris, Astrodienst and

>> Astro-Kundli

>> usually give more or less same results except in

>> some cases,

>> indicating both are Geocentric.

>>

>> 5. Dos-written and printable on dot-matrix " Old One "

>> software

>> also give more or less the same results for young

>> natives showing

>> Geocentric.

>>

>> 6. GHL(Sanjay Rath Group) Junoir Jyotish (SA Group)

>> also gives

>> more or less same results indicating they are also

>> Geocentric.

>>

>> 7. However, Astroura is set for Geographic and it's

>> necessary to

>> change for Geocentric.

>>

>> Thanks for reminding me to make sure that I'm using

>> Geocentric.

>>

>> NO MORE DOUBT.

>>

>> Best Regards,

>>

>> tw

>>

>> P.S.

>>

>> " Geocentric and Geographic " are explained in

>>

>> 1.HOW TO CAST AND READ YOUR GOROSCOPE (K.

>> HARIHARAN), p. 78-79 &

>> others, and

>>

>> 2.ASTROSECRETS & KP, P.302-320 (LlATITUDES AND

>> LONGITUDES, GEOCENTRIC

>> LATITUDE.)

>>

>> , rongaunt

>> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> >

>> > yw,

>> >

>> > Glad you found a way to get geocentric angles.

>> >

>> > Regarding geocentric being the correct way, I

>> think I will have

>> > to wait and see, before I go whole hearted into

>> it. My

>> > experience as a result of Garth Allen's work

>> suggests that

>> > parallax moon (which is geographic) produces good

>> results in

>> > eclipse and new moon situations. Consequently I

>> suspect that

>> > geographic is valid at least in some situations.

>> >

>> > Fortunately, there is little difference between

>> the two and in

>> > most cases would not change the Sub Lord.

>> >

>> > Ron Gaunt

>> >

>> > On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:18:09 +0000, you wrote:

>> >

>> > >

>> > >Dear Ron Gaunt,

>> > >

>> > >It's okay. I can get it. I forgot to change a key

>> for Geocentric

>> in

>> > >Astraura. Astrodienst also can give both ways but

>> there I have to

>> > >follow its latitude and longitude and do

>> additional calculations.

>> > >It's common practice in all TOH to use Geocetric

>> to ensure much

>> more

>> > >accuracy and precision. We're living on earth not

>> in the haven and

>> > >true center of earth is geocentric latitude. All

>> astrological

>> > >considerations are based on geocentric positions

>> of planets, since

>> > >Astrology is concerned with planetary motions

>> only as they affect

>> the

>> > >earth. I can't run Sri Raichur's demo anymore. I

>> mean I can't raed

>> > >the results.

>> > >

>> > >Tahnk you.

>> > >

>> > >Best regards,

>> > >

>> > >tw

>> > >

>> > > , rongaunt

>> <rongaunt@b...> wrote:

>> > >>

>> > >> tw,

>> > >>

>> > >> I think you may have meant this for me. Vaidun

>> has yet to

>> > >> program his GJ software - and it does not give

>> Geocentric angles

>> > >> anyhow.

>> > >>

>> > >> My only access to Geocentric angles is through

>> Solar Fire and

>> > >> this is not suitable for transmission except to

>> other S.F. Users

>> > >> - and anyhow would show slightly different to

>> Mr Raichurs program

>> > >> because of the differences in precession

>> between the programs.

>> > >>

>> > >> I do have a demo version of Mr Raichur's

>> program but trying it on

>> > >> KPBC2 I come up with such a large difference

>> between it and my

>> > >> other programs that I think I must have a

>> corrupted version.

>> > >> Hence I cannot supply a chart with Geocentric

>> angles.

>> > >>

>> > >> Would one of our Indian friends like to post a

>> chart using Mr

>> > >> Raichurs software?

>> > >>

>> > >> Ron Gaunt

>> > >>

>> > >> On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:35:18 +0000, you wrote:

>> > >>

>> > >> >

>> > >> >Dear Vaidun Vidyadhar,

>> > >> >

>> > >> >Pl provide KPBC1 chart data with Geocentric

>> angles to be able

>> for

>> > >> >participants to use it in this particular

>> case.

>> > >> >

>> > >> >Thank you.

>> > >> >

>> > >> >Best regards,

>> > >> >

>> > >> >tw

>> > >> >

>> > >> > , rongaunt

>> <rongaunt@b...>

>> wrote:

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >> tw,

>> > >> >>

>> > >> >> For all practical purposes most KP

>> astrologers seem to only

>> work

>> > >> >> to the sub lord level. At the micro sub

>> sub lord level it is

>> > >> >> inevitable that there is going to be

>> differences between

>> > >> >> different programs; and I suspect that this

>> is why this area

>>

>=== message truncated ===

>

>The all-new My - Get yours free!

>

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