Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Are there any further comments or questions before we wrap up and go on to KPBC2? Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Dear Owner, Moderator & All Members, 1. Let me express my gratitude to all of you for your encouragement for my lucky hit and giving me opportunities to learn more about KP. It's thanks to the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK and also luck, ie, an event with some conclusive indicators. 2. Even though Dr. B.V. Raman says, " -----After an event has happened, we can justify it in some way or the other, but it is in the prior application of these principles and prediction of events to happen in future that the real value of astrology lies. " in his editorial in December 1977 Astrological Magazine, it's interesting that any KP reasoning can't be found in three dasa levels for Blair's becoming PM in May 1997. Birth data is " AA " rating of AstroDatabank. Blair's chart, like Chairo and Catherine Zeta-Jone, is a rare type of chart with four signs without any house cusp (four intercepted signs or floaters in Western astrology, Msg#865) that can't be found in KP Six Readers. Even some Western astrologers are saying in AstroDatabank discussion that Zeta-Jone's chart is more appropriate to analyze by Equal House system. 3. Regarding KPBC1, simple basic approach on the basis of data posted in Msg# 1394 --- Three level dasa --- Me-Ve-Sa, Pl (RL,SL,SL) Significators Me (Ve-Ju-Me) 10,10,1,3,7,9H Ve (Me-Su-Sa) 9,8,8,5,6,10H Sa (Ma-Ve-Me) 8,4,5,6,10,2H No planet in Me star; Sa is in Ve star; Moon in Sa star. 10H @1st rank in Tula, 4th rak in Antara & Pyatntara; Maraka, death, Badhaka, faster death in Tula; Accident 8H @2nd & 3rd ranks of Antara, again at top of Pyatantara; 6H in Antara & Pyatantara, good for 10H, but bad for 8H; Maraka/money 2H @4th of Pyatantara; but Arthur 11H missing. Marka,death,--- badhaka, faster death, --- accident @20 ?? (2,7,12H & badhaka ?) Career advancement?? (2,6,10 & 11H) One thing very interesting is the idea of taking planets connected to 10H as maraka --- Sri K. Hariharan's HOW TO JUDJE LONGEVITY. Marriage?? (2,7 & 11) 4. In my KP observation of three level death-related dasas of 40 notable horoscopes ---- from Nostradamus (d. 1556), Napoleon (d. 1821) ---- to JFK JR (d. 1995), B V Raman (d. 1998), --- frequency of 6H with any of three dasa level is 35/40 --- 75%, 8H connection is 62% --- 12H involvement is 70% in any level of dasa, ----- of course Maraka (2 or 7H) at top with 90% and Badhaka 72% ---------- (Msg#993) SIMPLE Transit results --- affliction of Asc or Asc lord by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 95% (38/40 cases); Moon afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 72%, Sun 52%, 2H afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 70%, 6H 70%, 7H 70%, 8H 55% and 12H75%. (One interesting thing is that 8H counted from Moon afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 82% with compared to 55% for 8H counting from Asc., but not much difference for others) 4 . KP Longevity Analysis Cusp Sub Significators I Me Maraka, Badhaka III Ve 8H, 6H VIII Su 8H, Maraka through const Rahu Very clearly, --- short life. 5. In KPBC1's natal chart, Ma & Ra aspecting Asc. Asc lord and Sun are afflicted by Sa & Ra or Ke. It's only a partial indication of sudden/unnatural death. It doesn't show affliction of 8H by malefic Ma & Rahu which is generally found in charts with sudden death of Indira Gandhi & son Rajiv, JFK & son JFK Jr, Dodi Fayed, Monroe, Ali Bhutto, Yitzhak Rabin etc and charts no. 64 to 84 except 66, 69 & 71 in BV Raman's HOW TO JUDGE A HOROSCOPE , VOL II. Despite sudden death, the above mentioned bad position of malefic Mars and Rahu can't be found in the charts of Diana , Sanjay Gandhi, Lincoln and Cristina Onassis and above mentioned exceptional charts no. 66, 69 & 71. 6. No protection of Jupiter in KPBC1's chart. In the chart of Napoleon who fought sixty big battles and countless small ones, nineteen horses had been killed from under him, and yet he had only been wounded twice Ju is conj Asc and aspecting Asc lord, and both Asc and Asc lord are clean of aspects from papa Ma & Sa. 7. For Sag Asc, all Me (Badhaka) ,Ve & Sa (Marakas) are malefics (particularly for health) by the experience of astrologers like G.S. Agarwal, Practical Vedic Astrology, p 70 & 339; James T. Braha, Ancient Hindu Astrology from thr Modern Western Astrloger, p 50 etc. In Jataka Chundrika only Ve is malefic, and Ve & other planets are marakas. In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra Ve is malefic and Sa & Ve are marakas for Sag Asc. 8. Simple transit, Sa over natal Asc; Ra over natal Moon and aspecting 12H; Ma conjunct Asc lord Ju & Sun and aspecting 12L natal Ma in 6H; No saving of Ju; KP transit, Sa (Ju-Ve-Me) Su (Me-Ma-Ma) Mo (Me-Mo-Ra) Me (Me-Me-Me) Ve (Ve-Ma-Ke) Sa (Ju-Ve-Me) Clear favor of maraka, badhaka, accident other than career advancement or marriage. 9. Both dasa and transit are in line for mraka, badhaka, accident. That is also consistent with --- " ---- unless an event is promised broadly in the natal chart the actual occurrence of the event may not materialize with the transit of the planets in the Horary astrology " by Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu and M.C.Appa, in a KP research paper " Daily Events Check With Horary and Birth Chart " in " The Times of Astrology " Magazine of New Delhi in Sep 1999 issue. 10. This time transit helps me decisive. Last time it made me wavering from KP dasa & transit indications, ie. " -----As per KP, without mentioning details, the timing of three level dasa period and transits on November 2, 2004 election day may be in favor of President Bush, since Rahu antara Dasa is not beneficial for Senator Kerry. However,--- " in Msg#852. It's noteworthy: " An astrologer must have an unbiased mind and judge only the influence of the planets, he must not judge the person in making predictions--- Chakrapani Ullal ---in Comments on the 2004 US Election ---May 31st 2004 " . " This is an article I prepared over a few weeks, but decided not to publish in the mainstream magazine I had planned on, since I am a supporter of one candidate, but not the candidate the charts are pointing out --- Sat Siri Khalsa --- in ELECTION 2004 as seen in Sarvatobhadra chakra --- posted in SJC Group site on Sept 30, 2004. " Best wishes, Wszystkiego Najlepszego (in Polish), tw P.S. Comments in English and Polish are welcome. APPENDIX: " SOME VIEWS ON BADHAKA " 1. KP --- The Bhadhaka houses are the worst malefics for death. (Msg#993) --- the worst malefics in cutting one's life without hesitation. 2. Prasna Marga --- a house of harm --- applicable to only horary astrology and not in natal astrology. 3. Jataka Parijata --- an additional condition: the badhaka lord for a particular lagana should be treated as an actual badhaka, if it simultaneously be the lord of the house tenanted by Mandi (Gulika) or Kharesha (Lord of 22 nd drekkana from the lagna). That is why, " Don't worry about it. " --- Dr. M.V. Mehta. 4. V. K. Choudhry (System's Analysis-SA) ---SA doest not believe in ---- maraka planets, --- badhaka principles --- if not closely associated with other functional malefic planet or the most malefic planet, its influence on any planet or the most effective point of a house, would never be bad. (according to SA, for KPBC1 functional malefics are Moon, Rahu & Ketu, most malefic planet is Moon, and most effective point is Asc position 13d-9m) 5. Sanjay Rath --- obstruction --- in various forms ---an evil -- -should not be taken lightly --- with neechabhanga rajayoga in badhaka sign, ---- Aurangzeb killed his brothers and imprisoned his father (till death) and grabbed the Mogul Empire. 6. Sumeet Chugh --- " Timing of Events " , badhka Mercury in 2nd house destroyed Tagore's family life; badhaka Saturn in 9 th killed Omar Khayyam's father early in life but that same Saturn in own house with Jupiter gave him sharp intellect to become a mathematician, philosopher and doctor; Henry Bower died in the return from expedition to south pole during Venus dasa of badhaka lord and also 22nd Drekkana in 12th and hemmed between malefics. , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: > > Are there any further comments or questions before we wrap up and > go on to KPBC2? > > > Ron Gaunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 tw, Thanks for your analysis. It is interesting to see how other astrologers work. Just a couple of comments. Regarding para 3 'Longevity' your subs for 1,3 & 8 houses are Me/Ve/Su. My software comes up nearly the same but Me/Ve/Mo. You appear to relate these subs to house lordship and position and come up with correct indication . Looking at this I came up with the idea that maybe the house subs are pointers to the planets themselves rather than houses and position. Looking at it in this fashion I note that Me=Ju/Me (Me sub Badhaka), Ve=Su/Sa (Sa sub Maraka), Mo=Sa/Me (Sa star L. Maraka, Me sub Badhaka) Looks like something more than coincidence. In para 6 you state: > " In KPBC1's natal chart, Ma & Ra aspecting Asc. Asc lord and >Sun are afflicted by Sa & Ra or Ke. It's only a partial indication >of sudden/unnatural death. It doesn't show affliction of 8H by >malefic Ma & Rahu which is generally found in charts with sudden >death Mars at 16 Ta 30 actually afflicts 8th house rasi lagna at 13 Sag 10 (same degree as natal Asc) by 4th aspect. Also Rahu afflicts 8th house rasi lagna from 7 Aries 41 by trine aspect. This is a slightly wide orb, but it is fairly close to 5* Ron Gaunt On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:43:08 +0000, you wrote: > > >Dear Owner, Moderator & All Members, > >1. Let me express my gratitude to all of you for your >encouragement for my lucky hit and giving me opportunities to learn >more about KP. It's thanks to the lovely spirit of Guruji KSK and >also luck, ie, an event with some conclusive indicators. > >2. Even though Dr. B.V. Raman says, " -----After an event has >happened, we can justify it in some way or the other, but it is in >the prior application of these principles and prediction of events to >happen in future that the real value of astrology lies. " in his >editorial in December 1977 Astrological Magazine, it's interesting >that any KP reasoning can't be found in three dasa levels for >Blair's becoming PM in May 1997. Birth data is " AA " rating of >AstroDatabank. Blair's chart, like Chairo and Catherine Zeta-Jone, is >a rare type of chart with four signs without any house cusp (four >intercepted signs or floaters in Western astrology, Msg#865) that >can't be found in KP Six Readers. Even some Western astrologers are >saying in AstroDatabank discussion that Zeta-Jone's chart is more >appropriate to analyze by Equal House system. > >3. Regarding KPBC1, simple basic approach on the basis of data >posted in >Msg# 1394 --- > >Three level dasa --- Me-Ve-Sa, > >Pl (RL,SL,SL) Significators >Me (Ve-Ju-Me) 10,10,1,3,7,9H >Ve (Me-Su-Sa) 9,8,8,5,6,10H >Sa (Ma-Ve-Me) 8,4,5,6,10,2H > >No planet in Me star; >Sa is in Ve star; >Moon in Sa star. > >10H @1st rank in Tula, 4th rak in Antara & Pyatntara; >Maraka, death, Badhaka, faster death in Tula; >Accident 8H @2nd & 3rd ranks of Antara, again at top of Pyatantara; >6H in Antara & Pyatantara, good for 10H, but bad for 8H; >Maraka/money 2H @4th of Pyatantara; >but Arthur 11H missing. > >Marka,death,--- badhaka, faster death, --- accident @20 ?? (2,7,12H > & badhaka ?) > >Career advancement?? (2,6,10 & 11H) > >One thing very interesting is the idea of taking planets connected >to 10H as maraka --- Sri K. Hariharan's HOW TO JUDJE LONGEVITY. > >Marriage?? (2,7 & 11) > >4. In my KP observation of three level death-related dasas of 40 >notable horoscopes ---- from Nostradamus (d. 1556), Napoleon (d. >1821) ---- to JFK JR (d. 1995), B V Raman (d. 1998), --- frequency of >6H with any of three dasa level is 35/40 --- 75%, 8H connection is >62% --- 12H involvement is 70% in any level of dasa, ----- of course >Maraka (2 or 7H) at top with 90% and Badhaka 72% ---------- (Msg#993) > >SIMPLE Transit results --- affliction of Asc or Asc lord by any of >Ma, Sa, Ra 95% (38/40 cases); Moon afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra >72%, Sun 52%, 2H afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 70%, 6H 70%, 7H >70%, 8H 55% and 12H75%. (One interesting thing is that 8H counted >from Moon afflicted by any of Ma, Sa, Ra 82% with compared to 55% >for 8H counting from Asc., but not much difference for others) > >4 . KP Longevity Analysis > >Cusp Sub Significators >I Me Maraka, Badhaka >III Ve 8H, 6H >VIII Su 8H, Maraka through const Rahu > >Very clearly, --- short life. > >5. In KPBC1's natal chart, Ma & Ra aspecting Asc. Asc lord and >Sun are afflicted by Sa & Ra or Ke. It's only a partial indication >of sudden/unnatural death. It doesn't show affliction of 8H by >malefic Ma & Rahu which is generally found in charts with sudden >death of Indira Gandhi & son Rajiv, JFK & son JFK Jr, Dodi Fayed, >Monroe, Ali Bhutto, Yitzhak Rabin etc and charts no. 64 to 84 except >66, 69 & 71 in BV Raman's HOW TO JUDGE A HOROSCOPE , VOL II. Despite >sudden death, the above mentioned bad position of malefic Mars and >Rahu can't be found in the charts of Diana , Sanjay Gandhi, Lincoln >and Cristina Onassis and above mentioned exceptional charts no. 66, >69 & 71. > >6. No protection of Jupiter in KPBC1's chart. In the chart of >Napoleon who fought sixty big battles and countless small ones, >nineteen horses had been killed from under him, and yet he had only >been wounded twice Ju is conj Asc and aspecting Asc lord, and both >Asc and Asc lord are clean of aspects from papa Ma & Sa. > >7. For Sag Asc, all Me (Badhaka) ,Ve & Sa (Marakas) are malefics >(particularly for health) by the experience of astrologers like G.S. >Agarwal, Practical Vedic Astrology, p 70 & 339; James T. Braha, >Ancient Hindu Astrology from thr Modern Western Astrloger, p 50 etc. >In Jataka Chundrika only Ve is malefic, and Ve & other planets are >marakas. In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra Ve is malefic and Sa & Ve >are marakas for Sag Asc. > >8. Simple transit, > >Sa over natal Asc; >Ra over natal Moon and aspecting 12H; >Ma conjunct Asc lord Ju & Sun and aspecting 12L natal Ma in 6H; >No saving of Ju; > > KP transit, > >Sa (Ju-Ve-Me) >Su (Me-Ma-Ma) >Mo (Me-Mo-Ra) >Me (Me-Me-Me) >Ve (Ve-Ma-Ke) >Sa (Ju-Ve-Me) > >Clear favor of maraka, badhaka, accident other than career >advancement or marriage. > >9. Both dasa and transit are in line for mraka, badhaka, accident. >That is also consistent with --- > > " ---- unless an event is promised broadly in the natal chart the >actual occurrence of the event may not materialize with the transit >of the planets in the Horary astrology " by Pemmaraju V.R. Rayudu and >M.C.Appa, in a KP research paper " Daily Events Check With Horary and >Birth Chart " in " The Times of Astrology " Magazine of New Delhi in >Sep 1999 issue. > >10. This time transit helps me decisive. Last time it made me >wavering from KP dasa & transit indications, ie. > > " -----As per KP, without mentioning details, the timing of three >level dasa period and transits on November 2, 2004 election day may >be in favor of President Bush, since Rahu antara Dasa is not >beneficial for Senator Kerry. However,--- " in Msg#852. > It's noteworthy: > " An astrologer must have an unbiased mind and judge only the >influence of the planets, he must not judge the person in making >predictions--- Chakrapani Ullal ---in Comments on the 2004 US >Election ---May 31st 2004 " . > " This is an article I prepared over a few weeks, but decided not >to publish in the mainstream magazine I had planned on, since I am >a supporter of one candidate, but not the candidate the charts are >pointing out --- Sat Siri Khalsa --- in ELECTION 2004 as seen in >Sarvatobhadra chakra --- posted in SJC Group site on Sept 30, 2004. " > > >Best wishes, > >Wszystkiego Najlepszego (in Polish), > >tw > >P.S. Comments in English and Polish are welcome. > > > >APPENDIX: " SOME VIEWS ON BADHAKA " > >1. KP --- The Bhadhaka houses are the worst malefics for death. >(Msg#993) --- the worst malefics in cutting one's life without >hesitation. > >2. Prasna Marga --- a house of harm --- applicable to only >horary astrology and not in natal astrology. > >3. Jataka Parijata --- an additional condition: the badhaka lord >for a particular lagana should be treated as an actual badhaka, if it >simultaneously be the lord of the house tenanted by Mandi (Gulika) or >Kharesha (Lord of 22 nd drekkana from the lagna). That is >why, " Don't worry about it. " --- Dr. M.V. Mehta. > >4. V. K. Choudhry (System's Analysis-SA) ---SA doest not believe >in ---- maraka planets, --- badhaka principles --- if not closely >associated with other functional malefic planet or the most malefic >planet, its influence on any planet or the most effective point of a >house, would never be bad. (according to SA, for KPBC1 functional >malefics are Moon, Rahu & Ketu, most malefic planet is Moon, and most >effective point is Asc position 13d-9m) > >5. Sanjay Rath --- obstruction --- in various forms ---an evil -- >-should not be taken lightly --- with neechabhanga rajayoga in >badhaka sign, ---- Aurangzeb killed his brothers and imprisoned his >father (till death) and grabbed the Mogul Empire. > >6. Sumeet Chugh --- " Timing of Events " , badhka Mercury in 2nd >house destroyed Tagore's family life; badhaka Saturn in 9 th killed >Omar Khayyam's father early in life but that same Saturn in own house >with Jupiter gave him sharp intellect to become a mathematician, >philosopher and doctor; Henry Bower died in the return from >expedition to south pole during Venus dasa of badhaka lord and also >22nd Drekkana in 12th and hemmed between malefics. > > > > , rongaunt <rongaunt@b...> wrote: >> >> Are there any further comments or questions before we wrap up and >> go on to KPBC2? >> >> >> Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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