Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear List Members, When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? Thanks for your time? With best regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear Friend, Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month regards kanak bosmia >"Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > >Dear List Members, > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: vvidya > > > > ><< winmail.dat >> Sell your old furniture. Electronics,books or even your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear Kanak, Thank you for your response. I couldn't decipher the formula. Could you kindly explain in greater detail? Also, what is the background to this new KP ayanamsa? Who has derived this and on what authority? If the old KP ayanamsa was wrong then how was Mr Krishnamurthi able to make such astounding predictions based on his old ayanamsa? Thanks for your time. Vidyadhar Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Kanakkumar Bosmia [kanbosastro] Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa Dear Friend, Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month regards kanak bosmia >"Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > >Dear List Members, > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: vvidya > > > > ><< winmail.dat >> Sell your old furniture. Electronics,books or even your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear Vaidun, I suggest that you get hold of the K.P. & Astrology,ANNUAL (2003),(back issues are available) with, Hariman Booksellers,804,Anna Salai,CHENNAI - 600 002,you will find that on Pp 88-91,the entire gamut of Ayanamsa(the value of the Precession of the Equinoxes), is ver nicely and scientifically explained,by none other than the K.P. Stalwart,Prof.K.Balachandran... In the year 291 A.D.,on one particular day, the Vernal equinox and the tropical equinox had coincided...ever since they began to separate,at the approx rate of 50 secs per year...this difference)Ayan) accounts for the Sayana(with ayan) and Nirayan (without ayan)panchangs... For practical purposes,the ayanamsa value for the month and year when added to the values obtaining in a Nirayana Ephemeris,one gets the Sayana Value Also,in an earlier K.P.and Astrology magazine of May,1980,Shri MGG Nair had given a very lucid mathematical explanation... But I'm sure you will be satisfied with the article in the 2003 Annual... I simply cannot reproduce it in this e-mail... I have tried my very best,to explain,in as simple manner as I can... All further questions on this may be refered to Mr.K.Subramaniam,at Hariman Booksellers,or e-mailed to Shri A.R.Raichur<anant_1608 With best wishes, Yours sincerely, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK ! > Dear Kanak, > > Thank you for your response. > > I couldn't decipher the formula. Could you kindly > explain in greater > detail? Also, what is the background to this new KP > ayanamsa? Who has > derived this and on what authority? If the old KP > ayanamsa was wrong then > how was Mr Krishnamurthi able to make such > astounding predictions based on > his old ayanamsa? > > Thanks for your time. > > Vidyadhar > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya > vvidya > > > > > > _____ > > Kanakkumar Bosmia > [kanbosastro] > Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:25 PM > > RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa > > > > Dear Friend, > > Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : > > The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old > figures in the Books do > not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now > accepted, can be calculated > from the following formula; > This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: > PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR > AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 > This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other > months add roughly 4 > seconds per month > > regards > > kanak bosmia > > > > > " Vaidun Vidyadhar " <vvidya > > > > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa > >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > > > >Dear List Members, > > > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only > one KP ayanamsa. Now, > >coming back to KP after this long break, I find > there are two KP ayanamsas, > > >the old one and the new one. What's the difference > between the two? > > > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > > > >Vaidun Vidyadhar > >1 / 94 Marius Street > >Tamworth, NSW 2340 > >Australia > >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > >Mobile: 0414 870 083 > >Email: vvidya > > > > > > > > > ><< winmail.dat >> > > _____ > > Sell your old furniture. Electronics,books or even > your car. > <http://g.msn.com/8HMAENIN/2734??PS=47575> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Vaidun, I have been combing the books and checking for the ayanamsas used. I have been amazed to find that whilst there are many examples with fairly close ayanamsas, these have been sufficiently different to alter at the sub level. A further disturbing point is that the angles of the charts are frequently out (sometimes by many degrees), compared to my three software programs which all closely agree, therefor house readings are frequently way out. All I can think of is that the earlier examples were a result of inaccurate Tables of Houses as used in those days. I do wonder how the authors were able to get such accurate predictions, when even the same author frequently appears to use a slightly different ayanamsa (or again inaccurate Tables of Houses). Parasara Light has both the old and new KP ayanamsas. The new one appears to be quite different to the old, and from what I can see on this List, most appear to be using the old - or something near. Ron Gaunt On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000, you wrote: >Dear List Members, > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: vvidya > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Thank you Ron for your very kind response. I appreciate it. With best regards. Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya rongaunt [rongaunt] Friday, 29 October 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Question on KP Ayanamsa Vaidun,I have been combing the books and checking for the ayanamsasused. I have been amazed to find that whilst there are manyexamples with fairly close ayanamsas, these have beensufficiently different to alter at the sub level. A furtherdisturbing point is that the angles of the charts are frequentlyout (sometimes by many degrees), compared to my three softwareprograms which all closely agree, therefor house readings arefrequently way out. All I can think of is that the earlierexamples were a result of inaccurate Tables of Houses as used inthose days. I do wonder how the authors were able to get suchaccurate predictions, when even the same author frequentlyappears to use a slightly different ayanamsa (or again inaccurateTables of Houses). Parasara Light has both the old and new KP ayanamsas. The newone appears to be quite different to the old, and from what I cansee on this List, most appear to be using the old - or somethingnear.Ron Gaunt On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000, you wrote:>Dear List Members,>>When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now,>coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas,>the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two?>>Thanks for your time? With best regards.>>Vaidun Vidyadhar>1 / 94 Marius Street>Tamworth, NSW 2340>Australia>Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)>Mobile: 0414 870 083>Email: vvidya>>>>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Vaidun ji, Just for your information. I personally like to you KP Old. Though I have seen few advocating KP New seriously. Regads, Punit Pandey On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:39:14 +1000, Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: > > Thank you Ron for your very kind response. I appreciate it. > > With best regards. > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: vvidya > > > > > ________________________________ > rongaunt [rongaunt] > Friday, 29 October 2004 10:04 AM > > Re: Question on KP Ayanamsa > > > > > > Vaidun, > > I have been combing the books and checking for the ayanamsas > used. I have been amazed to find that whilst there are many > examples with fairly close ayanamsas, these have been > sufficiently different to alter at the sub level. A further > disturbing point is that the angles of the charts are frequently > out (sometimes by many degrees), compared to my three software > programs which all closely agree, therefor house readings are > frequently way out. All I can think of is that the earlier > examples were a result of inaccurate Tables of Houses as used in > those days. I do wonder how the authors were able to get such > accurate predictions, when even the same author frequently > appears to use a slightly different ayanamsa (or again inaccurate > Tables of Houses). > > Parasara Light has both the old and new KP ayanamsas. The new > one appears to be quite different to the old, and from what I can > see on this List, most appear to be using the old - or something > near. > > Ron Gaunt > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000, you wrote: > > >Dear List Members, > > > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, > >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, > >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > > > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > > > >Vaidun Vidyadhar > >1 / 94 Marius Street > >Tamworth, NSW 2340 > >Australia > >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > >Mobile: 0414 870 083 > >Email: vvidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 There has been lot of correspondeence on the KP Ayanamsa. Originally Prof K.S.K gave the ayanamsa as on 1st Jan from 1840 to 2000 in the K.P. 1st Reader. This Aynamsa was used thruout the year. The Table of Houses used were Raphels. The ephemeris was also Raphel. Later on Krishnmurthy Table of Houses, Universal Table of Houses were prepared when Computers became avilble in India. Then Nirayan Ephemeris were published, but using the one Value of Ayanamsa given BY KPK. I made a detailed study on this and evolved a formule, by which I was able to shown that the KP Ayanamsa, and the Ayanams derived by my formula,when rounded to minutes wwere tallying, except for certain Years... An error which could be visually detected by mere inspection. But the Sons of KP, and certain KP astrologers, (who literally interprted two sentences by KPK) would not change . In fact the discussion in the then KP Magazine was abruptly stopped by the editor. Then recently I beleve, in 2002-2003. Prof Bhalachandra made deep study, and the amended KPAYAMSA was published in the Year Book 2003. I checked it up and that tallies with my findings. So, in my programmes I am following that. Even though the KYAYANSA has now been modified, the difference in the Results is within 30 seconds. This small diiferece of 30 seconds, does NOT Chnage the Lords of the Planets or houses, except in borderline cases. Since the preditions are based on the Lors of Houses, KSK's preditions were correct, because the Lords remained same. IN FACT THE ASTROLOGICAL TIMES, a Monthly Magazine from NEW DELHI, use the Laheri Ayanamsa and calcultes the Sign, Star, and Sub lords. I have checked this with the correct KP and find that allmost all the lords are the same. It is only when we come to sub-subs that differences crop up. The other is the Dasa Starts, as Moon.s postion is affected. So one can always check up the incidents in life, and correct the Ayanas, if he feels it more appropriate. good luck Vaidun Vidyadhar <vvidya wrote: Dear Kanak, Thank you for your response. I couldn't decipher the formula. Could you kindly explain in greater detail? Also, what is the background to this new KP ayanamsa? Who has derived this and on what authority? If the old KP ayanamsa was wrong then how was Mr Krishnamurthi able to make such astounding predictions based on his old ayanamsa? Thanks for your time. Vidyadhar Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Kanakkumar Bosmia [kanbosastro] Thursday, 28 October 2004 10:25 PM Subject: RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa Dear Friend, Mr.Raichur on New KP Aynamsa : The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month regards kanak bosmia >"Vaidun Vidyadhar" <vvidya > > > Question on KP Ayanamsa >Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000 > >Dear List Members, > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only one KP ayanamsa. Now, >coming back to KP after this long break, I find there are two KP ayanamsas, >the old one and the new one. What's the difference between the two? > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > >Vaidun Vidyadhar >1 / 94 Marius Street >Tamworth, NSW 2340 >Australia >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) >Mobile: 0414 870 083 >Email: vvidya > > > > ><< winmail.dat >> Sell your old furniture. Electronics,books or even your car. --------- A.R.Raichur bombayanant_1608 raichuranant USE ONE OF THESE ADDRESS ES ONLYtel: 022-2506 2609 --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dear Vaidun, Allow me to recommend that you get hold of the 2003 Annual Issue of K.P.and Astrology,(back issues are available,at Hariman Booksellers,804 Anna Salai,CHENNAI-600 002; e=mail: k_subramaniam : krishnan )...and the entire gamut of K.P. Ayanamsa is discussed there pp 88-93,and the " new " Ayanamsas from 1900 to 2052 are given as on the 15th of April every year... Mr. Raichur's letter in these columns will have explained the thing more elaborately...while Prof. Balachandran's article give the mathematical calculations used to arrive at KP Ayanamsa... By the way,I am glad to learn that you are settled in NSW...my daughter is also settled in Sydney,since the last 12 years or so...her address is : 5,SPICA PLACE, QUAKER HILL, NSW 2150 Tele: 61-2-98-378369(Resi) Perhaps you could contact them,my son-in-law is a Software Engineer... I was fortunate to learn K.P., from the Master himself,when I was at Bhopal,way back in 1974-75,when I had almost given up astrology,rubbishing it,as I had been miserably disappointed by Traditional Astrology... when by a stroke of good fortune I attended his lectures...I was terribly impressed by his method and igenuous accuracy...immediately,I signed up and became his student...a decision I shall never regret... Kindly try and get the back issue...you could also visit the site logy...and go to K.Subramaniam(s/othe late KSK)and have a look at the back issues available with him... With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. > Thank you Ron for your very kind response. I > appreciate it. > > With best regards. > > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya > vvidya > > > > > > _____ > > rongaunt [rongaunt] > Friday, 29 October 2004 10:04 AM > > Re: Question on KP Ayanamsa > > > > Vaidun, > > I have been combing the books and checking for the > ayanamsas > used. I have been amazed to find that whilst > there are many > examples with fairly close ayanamsas, these have > been > sufficiently different to alter at the sub level. > A further > disturbing point is that the angles of the charts > are frequently > out (sometimes by many degrees), compared to my > three software > programs which all closely agree, therefor house > readings are > frequently way out. All I can think of is that > the earlier > examples were a result of inaccurate Tables of > Houses as used in > those days. I do wonder how the authors were able > to get such > accurate predictions, when even the same author > frequently > appears to use a slightly different ayanamsa (or > again inaccurate > Tables of Houses). > > Parasara Light has both the old and new KP > ayanamsas. The new > one appears to be quite different to the old, and > from what I can > see on this List, most appear to be using the old - > or something > near. > > Ron Gaunt > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000, you wrote: > > >Dear List Members, > > > >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only > one KP ayanamsa. Now, > >coming back to KP after this long break, I find > there are two KP ayanamsas, > >the old one and the new one. What's the difference > between the two? > > > >Thanks for your time? With best regards. > > > >Vaidun Vidyadhar > >1 / 94 Marius Street > >Tamworth, NSW 2340 > >Australia > >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > >Mobile: 0414 870 083 > >Email: vvidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Dear Mr Rao, Thank you for your very kind response. When I go next year to Chennai (my home town) I'll visit Hariman Booksellers for the 2003 Annual and any other new books on KP they may have. When I was living in Chennai in the 80s I had met Prof Krishnamurthi's sons, Mr Subramaniam and Mr Hariharan a couple of times at their bookshop in Mount Road. I checked the website "logy.com". Besides KP it also talks of SKP (Shri Krishna Paddhati). Seems to be something new. Do Prof Krishnamurthi's sons have their own website? Very happy to hear that your daughter and son in law are settled in Sydney. Maybe the next time we go to Sydney I may give them a call. When you come next to Australia do visit us. We are 400 kms north of Sydney. With best regards. Yours sincerely Vidyadhar Vaidun Vidyadhar 1 / 94 Marius Street Tamworth, NSW 2340 Australia Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) Mobile: 0414 870 083 Email: vvidya Yogesh Rao Lajmi [lyrastro1] Friday, 29 October 2004 5:11 PM Subject: RE: Question on KP Ayanamsa Dear Vaidun, Allow me to recommend that you get hold ofthe 2003 Annual Issue of K.P.and Astrology,(backissues are available,at Hariman Booksellers,804 AnnaSalai,CHENNAI-600 002; e=mail:k_subramaniam : krishnan)...and the entire gamut of K.P. Ayanamsa is discussedthere pp 88-93,and the "new" Ayanamsas from 1900 to2052 are given as on the 15th of April every year... Mr. Raichur's letter in these columns willhave explained the thing more elaborately...whileProf. Balachandran's article give the mathematicalcalculations used to arrive at KP Ayanamsa... By the way,I am glad to learn that you aresettled in NSW...my daughter is also settled inSydney,since the last 12 years or so...her address is: 5,SPICA PLACE, QUAKER HILL, NSW 2150 Tele: 61-2-98-378369(Resi) Perhaps you could contact them,myson-in-law is a Software Engineer... I was fortunate to learn K.P., from theMaster himself,when I was at Bhopal,way back in 1974-75,when I had almost given upastrology,rubbishing it,as I had been miserablydisappointed by Traditional Astrology... when by astroke of good fortune I attended his lectures...I wasterribly impressed by his method and igenuousaccuracy...immediately,I signed up and became hisstudent...a decision I shall never regret... Kindly try and get the back issue...youcould also visit the site logy...and go toK.Subramaniam(s/othe late KSK)and have a look at theback issues available with him... With best wishes, Yours sincerely, L.Y.Rao. > Thank you Ron for your very kind response. I> appreciate it.> > With best regards.> > Vaidun Vidyadhar > 1 / 94 Marius Street > Tamworth, NSW 2340 > Australia > Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home) > Mobile: 0414 870 083 > Email: <vvidya> vvidya > > > > > > _____ > > rongaunt [rongaunt] > Friday, 29 October 2004 10:04 AM> > Re: Question on KP Ayanamsa> > > > Vaidun,> > I have been combing the books and checking for the> ayanamsas> used. I have been amazed to find that whilst> there are many> examples with fairly close ayanamsas, these have> been> sufficiently different to alter at the sub level. > A further> disturbing point is that the angles of the charts> are frequently> out (sometimes by many degrees), compared to my> three software> programs which all closely agree, therefor house> readings are> frequently way out. All I can think of is that> the earlier> examples were a result of inaccurate Tables of> Houses as used in> those days. I do wonder how the authors were able> to get such> accurate predictions, when even the same author> frequently> appears to use a slightly different ayanamsa (or> again inaccurate> Tables of Houses). > > Parasara Light has both the old and new KP> ayanamsas. The new> one appears to be quite different to the old, and> from what I can> see on this List, most appear to be using the old -> or something> near.> > Ron Gaunt > > > On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:08 +1000, you wrote:> > >Dear List Members,> >> >When I last studied KP in the 80s there was only> one KP ayanamsa. Now,> >coming back to KP after this long break, I find> there are two KP ayanamsas,> >the old one and the new one. What's the difference> between the two?> >> >Thanks for your time? With best regards.> >> >Vaidun Vidyadhar> >1 / 94 Marius Street> >Tamworth, NSW 2340> >Australia> >Tel: 61-2-67 668428 (home)> >Mobile: 0414 870 083> >Email: vvidya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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