Ayanamsa deviations

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron,

Pl. exactly what does 'PSA' Reader...mean?

Which ephemeris have you used...

Further could you elaborate further...? The

whole problem is not clear...

The K.P.Ayanamsa should also be used alomg

with a K.P. Nirayana Ephemeris...

Pl.also clarify if you are using Raphael's

Ephemeris(Sayana),to get Nirayana figures...?

Kindly clarify,I am quite confused...

Yours 'ly,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

Working from information provided on this List I have

programmed

my computer using the Ayanamsa for 15/4/1900 as

22*22'30 - and I

am puzzled.

 

I checked 3 charts in 'PSA Reader 3' and one in

'Longevity' to

get four different eras; and I find that this ayanamsa

does not

give accurate results compared to planets positions in

the books.

ie. See below for the book readings on the position

of the Sun

and Moon, the KP ayanamsa from the List, and the

apparant

ayanamsas shown in the books which I calculate to be

22*21'02 "

for 15/4/1900 . Note 'PSA' is the 3rd Reader and

'Long' is the

book 'How to Judge Longevity.'

 

 

Author KP Ayanam

Apparant Ay

 

PSA page 272 Sun 7Ar50 7Ar49'04 " 7Ar50'17 "

Moon 0Ar11 0Ar07'53 "

0Ar09'05 "

 

PSA page 296 Sun 0Le45 0Le43'15 " 0Le45'42 "

Moon 12Ar40 12Ar24'08 "

12Ar40'31 "

 

PSA page 382 Sun 19Sc31 19Sc30'28 " 19Sc31'50 "

Moon 15Ge22 15Ge20'02 "

15Ge21'22 "

 

Long page 50 Sun 22Li37 22Li35'43 " 22Li37'03 "

Moon 13Cn08 13Cn06'44 "

13Li08'18 "

 

Can anyone tell me why the KP ayanamsa figures are

falling behind

the book figures. Has there been a revision of the

ayanamsa

since Nov 1971 ( the last of the charts shown in Long

above)?

 

I realise that the software being suggested on the

list is only

accurate to + - 1' and this may account for some of

the

discrepancy.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Yogesh,

 

PSA means the book 'Predictive Stellar Astrology' which is the

3rd Reader by Prof K.S. Krishnamurti. I show the page numbers

of the charts and quote the Sun and Moon's position.

 

I am using Goravani Jyotish software programmed with the figures

(given in the table) provided on this list to work out the KP

ayanamsa. These figures should agree with the software I have

noted being used by Indian astrologers. ie. if you check any of

the quoted charts against your software I suspect you will get

the same results.

 

The 'Apparent' ayanamsa is simply what appears to me to be the

ayanamsa being used in the book examples. I have calculated

this by checking with my Solar Fire software. Solar Fire is

used by many Western astrologers because of its exceptional

accuracy (all planets to within 1 " over hundreds of years - even

for the Moon) . Using the Krishnamurti ayanamsa provided in

Solar Fire gave a better fit to the charts shown than the

figures provided in the list; but was obviously not the figures

used by Prof Krihnamurti. A little experimenting gave me the

'apparent' ayanamsa which as you can see closely corresponds to

the figures in the books.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:59:41 +0100, you wrote:

 

>

> Dear Ron,

> Pl. exactly what does 'PSA' Reader...mean?

> Which ephemeris have you used...

> Further could you elaborate further...? The

>whole problem is not clear...

> The K.P.Ayanamsa should also be used alomg

>with a K.P. Nirayana Ephemeris...

> Pl.also clarify if you are using Raphael's

>Ephemeris(Sayana),to get Nirayana figures...?

> Kindly clarify,I am quite confused...

> Yours 'ly,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>Working from information provided on this List I have

>programmed

>my computer using the Ayanamsa for 15/4/1900 as

>22*22'30 - and I

>am puzzled.

>

>I checked 3 charts in 'PSA Reader 3' and one in

>'Longevity' to

>get four different eras; and I find that this ayanamsa

>does not

>give accurate results compared to planets positions in

>the books.

>ie. See below for the book readings on the position

>of the Sun

>and Moon, the KP ayanamsa from the List, and the

>apparant

>ayanamsas shown in the books which I calculate to be

>22*21'02 "

>for 15/4/1900 . Note 'PSA' is the 3rd Reader and

>'Long' is the

>book 'How to Judge Longevity.'

>

>

> Author KP Ayanam

>Apparant Ay

>

>PSA page 272 Sun 7Ar50 7Ar49'04 " 7Ar50'17 "

> Moon 0Ar11 0Ar07'53 "

>0Ar09'05 "

>

>PSA page 296 Sun 0Le45 0Le43'15 " 0Le45'42 "

> Moon 12Ar40 12Ar24'08 "

>12Ar40'31 "

>

>PSA page 382 Sun 19Sc31 19Sc30'28 " 19Sc31'50 "

> Moon 15Ge22 15Ge20'02 "

>15Ge21'22 "

>

>Long page 50 Sun 22Li37 22Li35'43 " 22Li37'03 "

> Moon 13Cn08 13Cn06'44 "

>13Li08'18 "

>

>Can anyone tell me why the KP ayanamsa figures are

>falling behind

>the book figures. Has there been a revision of the

>ayanamsa

>since Nov 1971 ( the last of the charts shown in Long

>above)?

>

>I realise that the software being suggested on the

>list is only

>accurate to + - 1' and this may account for some of

>the

>discrepancy.

>

>

>Ron Gaunt

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ron ji,

 

Actually there is discrepancy in the Ayanamsa used by Sri KSK and then

given in the table. Both come out different. Due to that, there are

two KP ayanamsas popular. One is called KP Old and other one is KP

New. Hope it will clarify the situation.

 

We have already had a discussion on same issue; please check the

archive for details.

 

Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:45:25 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt wrote:

> Dear Yogesh,

>

> PSA means the book 'Predictive Stellar Astrology' which is the

> 3rd Reader by Prof K.S. Krishnamurti. I show the page numbers

> of the charts and quote the Sun and Moon's position.

>

> I am using Goravani Jyotish software programmed with the figures

> (given in the table) provided on this list to work out the KP

> ayanamsa. These figures should agree with the software I have

> noted being used by Indian astrologers. ie. if you check any of

> the quoted charts against your software I suspect you will get

> the same results.

>

> The 'Apparent' ayanamsa is simply what appears to me to be the

> ayanamsa being used in the book examples. I have calculated

> this by checking with my Solar Fire software. Solar Fire is

> used by many Western astrologers because of its exceptional

> accuracy (all planets to within 1 " over hundreds of years - even

> for the Moon) . Using the Krishnamurti ayanamsa provided in

> Solar Fire gave a better fit to the charts shown than the

> figures provided in the list; but was obviously not the figures

> used by Prof Krihnamurti. A little experimenting gave me the

> 'apparent' ayanamsa which as you can see closely corresponds to

> the figures in the books.

>

>

> Ron Gaunt

>

>

>

> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:59:41 +0100, you wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Ron,

> > Pl. exactly what does 'PSA' Reader...mean?

> > Which ephemeris have you used...

> > Further could you elaborate further...? The

> >whole problem is not clear...

> > The K.P.Ayanamsa should also be used alomg

> >with a K.P. Nirayana Ephemeris...

> > Pl.also clarify if you are using Raphael's

> >Ephemeris(Sayana),to get Nirayana figures...?

> > Kindly clarify,I am quite confused...

> > Yours 'ly,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> >Working from information provided on this List I have

> >programmed

> >my computer using the Ayanamsa for 15/4/1900 as

> >22*22'30 - and I

> >am puzzled.

> >

> >I checked 3 charts in 'PSA Reader 3' and one in

> >'Longevity' to

> >get four different eras; and I find that this ayanamsa

> >does not

> >give accurate results compared to planets positions in

> >the books.

> >ie. See below for the book readings on the position

> >of the Sun

> >and Moon, the KP ayanamsa from the List, and the

> >apparant

> >ayanamsas shown in the books which I calculate to be

> >22*21'02 "

> >for 15/4/1900 . Note 'PSA' is the 3rd Reader and

> >'Long' is the

> >book 'How to Judge Longevity.'

> >

> >

> > Author KP Ayanam

> >Apparant Ay

> >

> >PSA page 272 Sun 7Ar50 7Ar49'04 " 7Ar50'17 "

> > Moon 0Ar11 0Ar07'53 "

> >0Ar09'05 "

> >

> >PSA page 296 Sun 0Le45 0Le43'15 " 0Le45'42 "

> > Moon 12Ar40 12Ar24'08 "

> >12Ar40'31 "

> >

> >PSA page 382 Sun 19Sc31 19Sc30'28 " 19Sc31'50 "

> > Moon 15Ge22 15Ge20'02 "

> >15Ge21'22 "

> >

> >Long page 50 Sun 22Li37 22Li35'43 " 22Li37'03 "

> > Moon 13Cn08 13Cn06'44 "

> >13Li08'18 "

> >

> >Can anyone tell me why the KP ayanamsa figures are

> >falling behind

> >the book figures. Has there been a revision of the

> >ayanamsa

> >since Nov 1971 ( the last of the charts shown in Long

> >above)?

> >

> >I realise that the software being suggested on the

> >list is only

> >accurate to + - 1' and this may account for some of

> >the

> >discrepancy.

> >

> >

> >Ron Gaunt

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

dear ron,

i asked mr.raichur about aynamsa.his reply:

The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula;

This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year:

PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR

AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600

This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month

 

Good Luck

 

>Punit Pandey <punitp > > >Re: Ayanamsa deviations >Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:23:14 +0530 > >Ron ji, > >Actually there is discrepancy in the Ayanamsa used by Sri KSK and then >given in the table. Both come out different. Due to that, there are >two KP ayanamsas popular. One is called KP Old and other one is KP >New. Hope it will clarify the situation. > >We have already had a discussion on same issue; please check the >archive for details. > >Regards, > >Punit Pandey > > >On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:45:25 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt wrote: > > Dear Yogesh, > > > > PSA means the book 'Predictive Stellar Astrology' which is the > > 3rd Reader by Prof K.S. Krishnamurti. I show the page numbers > > of the charts and quote the Sun and Moon's position. > > > > I am using Goravani Jyotish software programmed with the figures > > (given in the table) provided on this list to work out the KP > > ayanamsa. These figures should agree with the software I have > > noted being used by Indian astrologers. ie. if you check any of > > the quoted charts against your software I suspect you will get > > the same results. > > > > The 'Apparent' ayanamsa is simply what appears to me to be the > > ayanamsa being used in the book examples. I have calculated > > this by checking with my Solar Fire software. Solar Fire is > > used by many Western astrologers because of its exceptional > > accuracy (all planets to within 1" over hundreds of years - even > > for the Moon) . Using the Krishnamurti ayanamsa provided in > > Solar Fire gave a better fit to the charts shown than the > > figures provided in the list; but was obviously not the figures > > used by Prof Krihnamurti. A little experimenting gave me the > > 'apparent' ayanamsa which as you can see closely corresponds to > > the figures in the books. > > > > > > Ron Gaunt > > > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:59:41 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ron, > > > Pl. exactly what does 'PSA' Reader...mean? > > > Which ephemeris have you used... > > > Further could you elaborate further...? The > > >whole problem is not clear... > > > The K.P.Ayanamsa should also be used alomg > > >with a K.P. Nirayana Ephemeris... > > > Pl.also clarify if you are using Raphael's > > >Ephemeris(Sayana),to get Nirayana figures...? > > > Kindly clarify,I am quite confused... > > > Yours 'ly, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > > > >Working from information provided on this List I have > > >programmed > > >my computer using the Ayanamsa for 15/4/1900 as > > >22*22'30 - and I > > >am puzzled. > > > > > >I checked 3 charts in 'PSA Reader 3' and one in > > >'Longevity' to > > >get four different eras; and I find that this ayanamsa > > >does not > > >give accurate results compared to planets positions in > > >the books. > > >ie. See below for the book readings on the position > > >of the Sun > > >and Moon, the KP ayanamsa from the List, and the > > >apparant > > >ayanamsas shown in the books which I calculate to be > > >22*21'02" > > >for 15/4/1900 . Note 'PSA' is the 3rd Reader and > > >'Long' is the > > >book 'How to Judge Longevity.' > > > > > > > > > Author KP Ayanam > > >Apparant Ay > > > > > >PSA page 272 Sun 7Ar50 7Ar49'04" 7Ar50'17" > > > Moon 0Ar11 0Ar07'53" > > >0Ar09'05" > > > > > >PSA page 296 Sun 0Le45 0Le43'15" 0Le45'42" > > > Moon 12Ar40 12Ar24'08" > > >12Ar40'31" > > > > > >PSA page 382 Sun 19Sc31 19Sc30'28" 19Sc31'50" > > > Moon 15Ge22 15Ge20'02" > > >15Ge21'22" > > > > > >Long page 50 Sun 22Li37 22Li35'43" 22Li37'03" > > > Moon 13Cn08 13Cn06'44" > > >13Li08'18" > > > > > >Can anyone tell me why the KP ayanamsa figures are > > >falling behind > > >the book figures. Has there been a revision of the > > >ayanamsa > > >since Nov 1971 ( the last of the charts shown in Long > > >above)? > > > > > >I realise that the software being suggested on the > > >list is only > > >accurate to + - 1' and this may account for some of > > >the > > >discrepancy. > > > > > > > > >Ron Gaunt > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yogesh ji,

 

But it is not easy to nullify that way. Especially if we know that Sri

KSK has used older one. The point is some astrologers are using old

one and some newer one, in spite of modification.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:29:19 +0530, Kanakkumar Bosmia

<kanbosastro wrote:

>

>

>

>

> dear ron,

>

> i asked mr.raichur about aynamsa.his reply:

>

> The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do

> not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated

> from the following formula;

>

> This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year:

>

> PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR

>

> AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600

>

> This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4

> seconds per month

>

>

>

> Good Luck

>

>

>

>

> >Punit Pandey <punitp

> >

> >

> >Re: Ayanamsa deviations

> >Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:23:14 +0530

>

>

> >

> >Ron ji,

> >

> >Actually there is discrepancy in the Ayanamsa used by Sri KSK and then

> >given in the table. Both come out different. Due to that, there are

> >two KP ayanamsas popular. One is called KP Old and other one is KP

> >New. Hope it will clarify the situation.

> >

> >We have already had a discussion on same issue; please check the

> >archive for details.

> >

> >Regards,

> >

> >Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:45:25 +1000, rongaunt <rongaunt

> wrote:

> > > Dear Yogesh,

> > >

> > > PSA means the book 'Predictive Stellar Astrology' which is the

> > > 3rd Reader by Prof K.S. Krishnamurti. I show the page numbers

> > > of the charts and quote the Sun and Moon's position.

> > >

> > > I am using Goravani Jyotish software programmed with the figures

> > > (given in the table) provided on this list to work out the KP

> > > ayanamsa. These figures should agree with the software I have

> > > noted being used by Indian astrologers. ie. if you check any of

> > > the quoted charts against your software I suspect you will get

> > > the same results.

> > >

> > > The 'Apparent' ayanamsa is simply what appears to me to be the

> > > ayanamsa being used in the book examples. I have calculated

> > > this by checking with my Solar Fire software. Solar Fire is

> > > used by many Western astrologers because of its exceptional

> > > accuracy (all planets to within 1 " over hundreds of years - even

> > > for the Moon) . Using the Krishnamurti ayanamsa provided in

> > > Solar Fire gave a better fit to the charts shown than the

> > > figures provided in the list; but was obviously not the figures

> > > used by Prof Krihnamurti. A little experimenting gave me the

> > > 'apparent' ayanamsa which as you can see closely corresponds to

> > > the figures in the books.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ron Gaunt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:59:41 +0100, you wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ron,

> > > > Pl. exactly what does 'PSA' Reader...mean?

> > > > Which ephemeris have you used...

> > > > Further could you elaborate further...? The

> > > >whole problem is not clear...

> > > > The K.P.Ayanamsa should also be used alomg

> > > >with a K.P. Nirayana Ephemeris...

> > > > Pl.also clarify if you are using Raphael's

> > > >Ephemeris(Sayana),to get Nirayana figures...?

> > > > Kindly clarify,I am quite confused...

> > > > Yours 'ly,

> > > > lyrastro1

> > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Working from information provided on this List I have

> > > >programmed

> > > >my computer using the Ayanamsa for 15/4/1900 as

> > > >22*22'30 - and I

> > > >am puzzled.

> > > >

> > > >I checked 3 charts in 'PSA Reader 3' and one in

> > > >'Longevity' to

> > > >get four different eras; and I find that this ayanamsa

> > > >does not

> > > >give accurate results compared to planets positions in

> > > >the books.

> > > >ie. See below for the book readings on the position

> > > >of the Sun

> > > >and Moon, the KP ayanamsa from the List, and the

> > > >apparant

> > > >ayanamsas shown in the books which I calculate to be

> > > >22*21'02 "

> > > >for 15/4/1900 . Note 'PSA' is the 3rd Reader and

> > > >'Long' is the

> > > >book 'How to Judge Longevity.'

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Author KP Ayanam

> > > >Apparant Ay

> > > >

> > > >PSA page 272 Sun 7Ar50 7Ar49'04 " 7Ar50'17 "

> > > > Moon 0Ar11 0Ar07'53 "

> > > >0Ar09'05 "

> > > >

> > > >PSA page 296 Sun 0Le45 0Le43'15 " 0Le45'42 "

> > > > Moon 12Ar40 12Ar24'08 "

> > > >12Ar40'31 "

> > > >

> > > >PSA page 382 Sun 19Sc31 19Sc30'28 " 19Sc31'50 "

> > > > Moon 15Ge22 15Ge20'02 "

> > > >15Ge21'22 "

> > > >

> > > >Long page 50 Sun 22Li37 22Li35'43 " 22Li37'03 "

> > > > Moon 13Cn08 13Cn06'44 "

> > > >13Li08'18 "

> > > >

> > > >Can anyone tell me why the KP ayanamsa figures are

> > > >falling behind

> > > >the book figures. Has there been a revision of the

> > > >ayanamsa

> > > >since Nov 1971 ( the last of the charts shown in Long

> > > >above)?

> > > >

> > > >I realise that the software being suggested on the

> > > >list is only

> > > >accurate to + - 1' and this may account for some of

> > > >the

> > > >discrepancy.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Ron Gaunt

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Kanakkumar,

 

Many thanks for the information. Checking with the later books

" Astrosecrets' I note that the charts there do seem to use the

ayanamsa supplied by you on this List. Just one point you may

be able to clear for me. Your heading states 'Table of K.P

Ayanamsa for the year 15/4/1900 to 15/4/2047'. Does the

ayanamsa degrees shown refer to the 1st of January or the

15th of April? I suspect that it is 1st of January but I would

like confirmation. Thanks

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:29:19 +0530, you wrote:

>dear ron,

 

>i asked mr.raichur about aynamsa.his reply:

 

>The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not

hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the

following formula;

>This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year:

>PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR

>AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600

>This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds

per month

[Guest guest]

Dear ron,

 

Table Start with 1Jan1900.

 

regards

 

kanak bosmia

>rongaunt <rongaunt > > >Re: Ayanamsa deviations >Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:34:53 +1000 > > >Dear Kanakkumar, > >Many thanks for the information. Checking with the later books >"Astrosecrets' I note that the charts there do seem to use the >ayanamsa supplied by you on this List. Just one point you may >be able to clear for me. Your heading states 'Table of K.P >Ayanamsa for the year 15/4/1900 to 15/4/2047'. Does the >ayanamsa degrees shown refer to the 1st of January or the >15th of April? I suspect that it is 1st of January but I would >like confirmation. Thanks > > >Ron Gaunt > > > >On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:29:19 +0530, you wrote: > >dear ron, > > >i asked mr.raichur about aynamsa.his reply: > > >The KP ayanamsa has been modified. in 2003. All old figures in the Books do not hold good.. The latest KP Ayanamsa ,as now accepted, can be calculated from the following formula; > >This is the Ayanamsa on 1st Jan of the year: > >PY=X4-1900: X4 IS THE REQD CALENDER YEAR > >AYAN=22+(1335+PY*PY*50.2388475)+PY*PY*0.000111/3600 > >This is in degrees and decimals thereof. For other months add roughly 4 seconds per month > > > Cool ringtones, snazzy logos! Expressive cards, fun games! Get it all at MSN mobile!