Dual Lordship of Houses in K.P. System?

[Guest guest]

Dear Learned Members,

 

Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855), I would like to

learn from your esperience and exchange views by giving my

observation below.

 

With my best regards,

 

Tin Win

 

The dual lordship of a house would be the case with an intercepted

sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent house cusps, but

neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also called

the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

(August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00 Cancer rising chart

in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted, relating to the 4th &

10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs, since the 4th cusp

is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56 Pisces and 11th 0-56

Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of `LENGTH OF SERVICE',

Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second house extends from 26-

56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in Cancer happens to be

in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of the second house

in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house for predicting

finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as Hasmukhrai J Mehta

mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan says in his

books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord of the sign where

the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the table that Bhava-

Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10 `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th house falls at 27-56

in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and ends at 0-56 Taurus

and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of intercepted

Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and Libra sign, Venus,

relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

 

Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in p. 200 of Reader

III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT IN SERVICE,

Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant; lord is Mars. "

Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign is not mentioned

even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55 Scorpio and ending

0-18-55 Capricorn.

 

However, in the exactly same example in his three KP Readers, (i) KP

Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V `TRANSIT' (Sept

1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP Reader VI `HORARY

ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04 Leo rising chart

has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to 0-30 Libra. The 8th

house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with 0-30 Aries. Thus

Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs affecting 2nd

and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by Sun. " " --- Kethu

is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In Reader VI there

is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11') Implicitly it means Sun

(lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury (lord of the

intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by the whole sign)

are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words that is

the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

 

Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but not four

intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers: Reader III (Part

One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200 & 223), Reader IV

(p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader V (p. 139) &

Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also in the books of

KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons & Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How to Judge

Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55, 67 & 72); `How to

Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125), without mentioning

about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include the lord of

intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

 

It will be more interesting for the charts with four intercepted

signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the 27-52 (KP

Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius rising Queen

Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and 29-39 Scorpio

rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM Tony Blair's chart, the 5th

house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house from 3-09 Virgo

to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to 3-10 Pisces, and

12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus Leo & Aquarius and

Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5 & 11, and 6 & 12

houses. In my understanding and according to the above example of

Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun would be taken as

lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords of 6th house,

Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as lords of 12th.

If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as co-lords of

houses, there will be no rationale of using the Placidus house

system, and it would seem like using the Equal house concept after

calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets. It is also

interesting to note that the floaters are changing depending on the

calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus houses of PM Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are intercepted. In

the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces are intercepted. In

the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and Scorpio & Taurus are

intercepted.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tin Win,

There is no such thing as " interception "

etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in whichever

sign the lord of that sign is the house lord...also

sometimes two cusps may fall in the same sign...letus

say,then the lord of the House is the owner of both

houses...!

For example if the Xth cusp falls in

1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29 degrees

Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

If,in a particular sign there is no

cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

I hope I have made myself clear...pl. do

not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or terms

like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble knowledge,

simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only confuse

yourself and others...

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

Dear Learned Members,

 

Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855), I

would like to

learn from your esperience and exchange views by

giving my

observation below.

 

With my best regards,

 

Tin Win

 

The dual lordship of a house would be the case with an

intercepted

sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

house cusps, but

neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also

called

the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

(August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

Cancer rising chart

in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

relating to the 4th &

10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

since the 4th cusp

is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56 Pisces

and 11th 0-56

Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of `LENGTH

OF SERVICE',

Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second house

extends from 26-

56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

Cancer happens to be

in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of the

second house

in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house for

predicting

finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

Hasmukhrai J Mehta

mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan

says in his

books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord of

the sign where

the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the

table that Bhava-

Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

`Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th house

falls at 27-56

in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and ends

at 0-56 Taurus

and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of

intercepted

Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and Libra

sign, Venus,

relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

 

Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in

p. 200 of Reader

III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT IN

SERVICE,

Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant; lord

is Mars. "

Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign

is not mentioned

even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

Scorpio and ending

0-18-55 Capricorn.

 

However, in the exactly same example in his three KP

Readers, (i) KP

Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

`TRANSIT' (Sept

1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP Reader

VI `HORARY

ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04

Leo rising chart

has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to 0-30

Libra. The 8th

house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with 0-30

Aries. Thus

Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs

affecting 2nd

and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by

Sun. " " --- Kethu

is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In

Reader VI there

is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11') Implicitly

it means Sun

(lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

(lord of the

intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by

the whole sign)

are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words

that is

the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

 

Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but

not four

intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

Reader III (Part

One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200 &

223), Reader IV

(p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader V

(p. 139) &

Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also

in the books of

KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How to

Judge

Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55, 67

& 72); `How to

Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

without mentioning

about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include

the lord of

intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

 

It will be more interesting for the charts with four

intercepted

signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the

27-52 (KP

Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius

rising Queen

Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and

29-39 Scorpio

rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM Tony Blair's

chart, the 5th

house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house

from 3-09 Virgo

to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to

3-10 Pisces, and

12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus Leo

& Aquarius and

Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5

& 11, and 6 & 12

houses. In my understanding and according to the above

example of

Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

would be taken as

lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords of

6th house,

Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as

lords of 12th.

If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as

co-lords of

houses, there will be no rationale of using the

Placidus house

system, and it would seem like using the Equal house

concept after

calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets. It

is also

interesting to note that the floaters are changing

depending on the

calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus houses

of PM Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

intercepted. In

the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces are

intercepted. In

the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and Scorpio

& Taurus are

intercepted.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Yogesh,

 

Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your view of taking the

lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son in many places

of their books.

 

Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with the

term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not available in KP.

It is not traditional, but modern Western astrological term used in

the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It is just a

definition already mentioned, not important.

 

The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are taken as the

lords of 2nd house in the same example included in three KP Readers

as mentioned in my observation.

 

With my best regards,

 

Tin Win

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear Tin Win,

> There is no such thing as " interception "

> etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in whichever

> sign the lord of that sign is the house lord...also

> sometimes two cusps may fall in the same sign...letus

> say,then the lord of the House is the owner of both

> houses...!

> For example if the Xth cusp falls in

> 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29 degrees

> Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> If,in a particular sign there is no

> cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> I hope I have made myself clear...pl. do

> not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or terms

> like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble knowledge,

> simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only confuse

> yourself and others...

> With best wishes,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

> Dear Learned Members,

>

> Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855), I

> would like to

> learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> giving my

> observation below.

>

> With my best regards,

>

> Tin Win

>

> The dual lordship of a house would be the case with an

> intercepted

> sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> house cusps, but

> neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also

> called

> the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> Cancer rising chart

> in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> relating to the 4th &

> 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> since the 4th cusp

> is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56 Pisces

> and 11th 0-56

> Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of `LENGTH

> OF SERVICE',

> Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second house

> extends from 26-

> 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> Cancer happens to be

> in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of the

> second house

> in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house for

> predicting

> finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan

> says in his

> books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord of

> the sign where

> the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the

> table that Bhava-

> Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th house

> falls at 27-56

> in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and ends

> at 0-56 Taurus

> and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of

> intercepted

> Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and Libra

> sign, Venus,

> relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

>

> Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in

> p. 200 of Reader

> III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT IN

> SERVICE,

> Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant; lord

> is Mars. "

> Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign

> is not mentioned

> even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> Scorpio and ending

> 0-18-55 Capricorn.

>

> However, in the exactly same example in his three KP

> Readers, (i) KP

> Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> `TRANSIT' (Sept

> 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP Reader

> VI `HORARY

> ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04

> Leo rising chart

> has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to 0-30

> Libra. The 8th

> house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with 0-30

> Aries. Thus

> Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs

> affecting 2nd

> and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by

> Sun. " " --- Kethu

> is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In

> Reader VI there

> is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11') Implicitly

> it means Sun

> (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> (lord of the

> intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by

> the whole sign)

> are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words

> that is

> the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

>

> Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but

> not four

> intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> Reader III (Part

> One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200 &

> 223), Reader IV

> (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader V

> (p. 139) &

> Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also

> in the books of

> KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How to

> Judge

> Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55, 67

> & 72); `How to

> Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> without mentioning

> about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include

> the lord of

> intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

>

> It will be more interesting for the charts with four

> intercepted

> signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the

> 27-52 (KP

> Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius

> rising Queen

> Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and

> 29-39 Scorpio

> rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM Tony Blair's

> chart, the 5th

> house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house

> from 3-09 Virgo

> to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to

> 3-10 Pisces, and

> 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus Leo

> & Aquarius and

> Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5

> & 11, and 6 & 12

> houses. In my understanding and according to the above

> example of

> Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> would be taken as

> lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords of

> 6th house,

> Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as

> lords of 12th.

> If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as

> co-lords of

> houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> Placidus house

> system, and it would seem like using the Equal house

> concept after

> calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets. It

> is also

> interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> depending on the

> calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus houses

> of PM > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> intercepted. In

> the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces are

> intercepted. In

> the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and Scorpio

> & Taurus are

> intercepted.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tin Win,

A " house " extends from the begining of

one cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...this

distance may cover one and a half signs...even so,the

" house " as said,extends from the cusp uptill the the

begining of the next cusp...

The Basic Principles of K.P. remain the

same...one must check for printing " devils " or even

editing mistakes...and make adequate allowances...

Since I do not possess the particular

reader you mention...I cannot comment...

However,supposing the Ascendant is at 26

degrees Aries and the IInd cusp falls at 5 degrees

Gemini...(and Taurus has no cusp falling in it)...as

per K.P., any planet posited between these two cusps

is considered to be in the First house,whether a

planet is situated at 28 degrees Aries,or 3 degrees

Gemini...both are said to be occupying the FIRST

HOUSE...as per K.P.,AND,the owner of the Ascendant

will be Mars,and that of the second house will be

MERCURY... !

I hope I have made myself understood ?

I must say,I was confused by the terms

like " intercepted sign " and " floater " ...etc., which

are not in vogue among K.P.followers,nor are they

found

in K.P. books...

With best wishes,

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Yogesh,

 

Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your view

of taking the

lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son in

many places

of their books.

 

Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with the

term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not

available in KP.

It is not traditional, but modern Western astrological

term used in

the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It

is just a

definition already mentioned, not important.

 

The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are

taken as the

lords of 2nd house in the same example included in

three KP Readers

as mentioned in my observation.

 

With my best regards,

 

Tin Win

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1>

wrote:

> Dear Tin Win,

> There is no such thing as

" interception "

> etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in whichever

> sign the lord of that sign is the house lord...also

> sometimes two cusps may fall in the same

sign...letus

> say,then the lord of the House is the owner of both

> houses...!

> For example if the Xth cusp falls in

 

> 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29

degrees

> Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> If,in a particular sign there is no

> cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> I hope I have made myself clear...pl.

do

> not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or terms

> like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble

knowledge,

> simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only

confuse

> yourself and others...

> With best wishes,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

> Dear Learned Members,

>

> Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855),

I

> would like to

> learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> giving my

> observation below.

>

> With my best regards,

>

> Tin Win

>

> The dual lordship of a house would be the case with

an

> intercepted

> sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> house cusps, but

> neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also

> called

> the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> Cancer rising chart

> in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> relating to the 4th &

> 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> since the 4th cusp

> is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56

Pisces

> and 11th 0-56

> Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of

`LENGTH

> OF SERVICE',

> Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second

house

> extends from 26-

> 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> Cancer happens to be

> in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of

the

> second house

> in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house

for

> predicting

> finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan

> says in his

> books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord

of

> the sign where

> the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the

> table that Bhava-

> Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th

house

> falls at 27-56

> in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and

ends

> at 0-56 Taurus

> and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of

> intercepted

> Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and

Libra

> sign, Venus,

> relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

>

> Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in

> p. 200 of Reader

> III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT

IN

> SERVICE,

> Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant;

lord

> is Mars. "

> Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign

> is not mentioned

> even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> Scorpio and ending

> 0-18-55 Capricorn.

>

> However, in the exactly same example in his three KP

> Readers, (i) KP

> Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> `TRANSIT' (Sept

> 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP

Reader

> VI `HORARY

> ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04

> Leo rising chart

> has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to

0-30

> Libra. The 8th

> house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with

0-30

> Aries. Thus

> Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs

> affecting 2nd

> and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by

> Sun. " " --- Kethu

> is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In

> Reader VI there

> is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11')

Implicitly

> it means Sun

> (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> (lord of the

> intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by

> the whole sign)

> are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words

> that is

> the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

>

> Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but

> not four

> intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> Reader III (Part

> One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200

&

> 223), Reader IV

> (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader

V

> (p. 139) &

> Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also

> in the books of

> KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How

to

> Judge

> Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55,

67

> & 72); `How to

> Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> without mentioning

> about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include

> the lord of

> intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

>

> It will be more interesting for the charts with four

> intercepted

> signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the

> 27-52 (KP

> Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius

> rising Queen

> Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and

> 29-39 Scorpio

> rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM Blair's

> chart, the 5th

> house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house

> from 3-09 Virgo

> to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to

> 3-10 Pisces, and

> 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus

Leo

> & Aquarius and

> Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5

> & 11, and 6 & 12

> houses. In my understanding and according to the

above

> example of

> Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> would be taken as

> lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords

of

> 6th house,

> Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as

> lords of 12th.

> If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as

> co-lords of

> houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> Placidus house

> system, and it would seem like using the Equal house

> concept after

> calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets.

It

> is also

> interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> depending on the

> calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus

houses

> of PM > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> intercepted. In

> the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces

are

> intercepted. In

> the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and

Scorpio

> & Taurus are

> intercepted.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear List,

 

Certain KP astrologers follows 3.20 ORB setting. In the example quoted by

Mr. Yogesh Rao , if house is extended with in 3.20 degrees only previous

house need to be taken. Now everything is depending on computer softwares

and they are made with such an option.

According to above ORB setting Gemini is not taken as house owner. I saw

it in Man Mechine systems KP astro software.

 

-sreekumar

 

 

-

" Yogesh Rao Lajmi " <lyrastro1

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:21 AM

Re: Re: Dual Lordship of Houses in K.P. System?

 

 

> Dear Tin Win,

> A " house " extends from the begining of

> one cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...this

> distance may cover one and a half signs...even so,the

> " house " as said,extends from the cusp uptill the the

> begining of the next cusp...

> The Basic Principles of K.P. remain the

> same...one must check for printing " devils " or even

> editing mistakes...and make adequate allowances...

> Since I do not possess the particular

> reader you mention...I cannot comment...

> However,supposing the Ascendant is at 26

> degrees Aries and the IInd cusp falls at 5 degrees

> Gemini...(and Taurus has no cusp falling in it)...as

> per K.P., any planet posited between these two cusps

> is considered to be in the First house,whether a

> planet is situated at 28 degrees Aries,or 3 degrees

> Gemini...both are said to be occupying the FIRST

> HOUSE...as per K.P.,AND,the owner of the Ascendant

> will be Mars,and that of the second house will be

> MERCURY... !

> I hope I have made myself understood ?

> I must say,I was confused by the terms

> like " intercepted sign " and " floater " ...etc., which

> are not in vogue among K.P.followers,nor are they

> found

> in K.P. books...

> With best wishes,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Yogesh,

>

> Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your view

> of taking the

> lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son in

> many places

> of their books.

>

> Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with the

> term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not

> available in KP.

> It is not traditional, but modern Western astrological

> term used in

> the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It

> is just a

> definition already mentioned, not important.

>

> The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are

> taken as the

> lords of 2nd house in the same example included in

> three KP Readers

> as mentioned in my observation.

>

> With my best regards,

>

> Tin Win

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> <lyrastro1>

> wrote:

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > There is no such thing as

> " interception "

> > etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in whichever

> > sign the lord of that sign is the house lord...also

> > sometimes two cusps may fall in the same

> sign...letus

> > say,then the lord of the House is the owner of both

> > houses...!

> > For example if the Xth cusp falls in

>

> > 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29

> degrees

> > Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> > If,in a particular sign there is no

> > cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> > I hope I have made myself clear...pl.

> do

> > not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or terms

> > like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble

> knowledge,

> > simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only

> confuse

> > yourself and others...

> > With best wishes,

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> > Dear Learned Members,

> >

> > Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855),

> I

> > would like to

> > learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> > giving my

> > observation below.

> >

> > With my best regards,

> >

> > Tin Win

> >

> > The dual lordship of a house would be the case with

> an

> > intercepted

> > sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> > house cusps, but

> > neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also

> > called

> > the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> > STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> > (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> > Cancer rising chart

> > in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> > relating to the 4th &

> > 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> > since the 4th cusp

> > is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56

> Pisces

> > and 11th 0-56

> > Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of

> `LENGTH

> > OF SERVICE',

> > Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second

> house

> > extends from 26-

> > 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> > Cancer happens to be

> > in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of

> the

> > second house

> > in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house

> for

> > predicting

> > finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan

> > says in his

> > books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord

> of

> > the sign where

> > the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the

> > table that Bhava-

> > Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> > `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> > says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th

> house

> > falls at 27-56

> > in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and

> ends

> > at 0-56 Taurus

> > and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of

> > intercepted

> > Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and

> Libra

> > sign, Venus,

> > relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

> >

> > Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in

> > p. 200 of Reader

> > III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT

> IN

> > SERVICE,

> > Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant;

> lord

> > is Mars. "

> > Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign

> > is not mentioned

> > even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> > Scorpio and ending

> > 0-18-55 Capricorn.

> >

> > However, in the exactly same example in his three KP

> > Readers, (i) KP

> > Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> > `TRANSIT' (Sept

> > 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP

> Reader

> > VI `HORARY

> > ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04

> > Leo rising chart

> > has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to

> 0-30

> > Libra. The 8th

> > house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with

> 0-30

> > Aries. Thus

> > Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs

> > affecting 2nd

> > and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> > heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by

> > Sun. " " --- Kethu

> > is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In

> > Reader VI there

> > is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11')

> Implicitly

> > it means Sun

> > (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> > (lord of the

> > intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by

> > the whole sign)

> > are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words

> > that is

> > the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

> >

> > Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but

> > not four

> > intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> > Reader III (Part

> > One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200

> &

> > 223), Reader IV

> > (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader

> V

> > (p. 139) &

> > Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also

> > in the books of

> > KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> > Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> > June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How

> to

> > Judge

> > Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55,

> 67

> > & 72); `How to

> > Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> > without mentioning

> > about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include

> > the lord of

> > intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

> >

> > It will be more interesting for the charts with four

> > intercepted

> > signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the

> > 27-52 (KP

> > Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius

> > rising Queen

> > Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and

> > 29-39 Scorpio

> > rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM > Blair's

> > chart, the 5th

> > house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house

> > from 3-09 Virgo

> > to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to

> > 3-10 Pisces, and

> > 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus

> Leo

> > & Aquarius and

> > Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5

> > & 11, and 6 & 12

> > houses. In my understanding and according to the

> above

> > example of

> > Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> > would be taken as

> > lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords

> of

> > 6th house,

> > Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as

> > lords of 12th.

> > If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as

> > co-lords of

> > houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> > Placidus house

> > system, and it would seem like using the Equal house

> > concept after

> > calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets.

> It

> > is also

> > interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> > depending on the

> > calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus

> houses

> > of PM > > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces

> are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and

> Scorpio

> > & Taurus are

> > intercepted.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreekumar,

I have certainly heard of orbs of

influence of Planets,each having been allotted a

different degrees...

But,as yet I have not come across of

any reference to " orbs-of-influence of cusps,except

that,when a planet is very close to a cusp,it is

considered to be " almost on the cusp " ,for all

practical purposes...because of its own

orb-of-influence,more than any " orb-of-influence of a

cusp... "

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

Dear List,

 

Certain KP astrologers follows 3.20 ORB setting. In

the example quoted by

Mr. Yogesh Rao , if house is extended with in 3.20

degrees only previous

house need to be taken. Now everything is depending on

computer softwares

and they are made with such an option.

According to above ORB setting Gemini is not taken

as house owner. I saw

it in Man Mechine systems KP astro software.

 

-sreekumar

 

 

-

" Yogesh Rao Lajmi " <lyrastro1

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:21 AM

Re: Re: Dual Lordship of Houses

in K.P. System?

 

 

> Dear Tin Win,

> A " house " extends from the begining of

> one cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...this

> distance may cover one and a half signs...even

so,the

> " house " as said,extends from the cusp uptill the the

> begining of the next cusp...

> The Basic Principles of K.P. remain the

> same...one must check for printing " devils " or even

> editing mistakes...and make adequate allowances...

> Since I do not possess the particular

> reader you mention...I cannot comment...

> However,supposing the Ascendant is at

26

> degrees Aries and the IInd cusp falls at 5 degrees

> Gemini...(and Taurus has no cusp falling in it)...as

> per K.P., any planet posited between these two cusps

> is considered to be in the First house,whether a

> planet is situated at 28 degrees Aries,or 3 degrees

> Gemini...both are said to be occupying the FIRST

> HOUSE...as per K.P.,AND,the owner of the Ascendant

> will be Mars,and that of the second house will be

> MERCURY... !

> I hope I have made myself understood ?

> I must say,I was confused by the terms

> like " intercepted sign " and " floater " ...etc., which

> are not in vogue among K.P.followers,nor are they

> found

> in K.P. books...

> With best wishes,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Yogesh,

>

> Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your

view

> of taking the

> lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son

in

> many places

> of their books.

>

> Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with

the

> term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not

> available in KP.

> It is not traditional, but modern Western

astrological

> term used in

> the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It

> is just a

> definition already mentioned, not important.

>

> The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are

> taken as the

> lords of 2nd house in the same example included in

> three KP Readers

> as mentioned in my observation.

>

> With my best regards,

>

> Tin Win

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> <lyrastro1>

> wrote:

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > There is no such thing as

> " interception "

> > etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in

whichever

> > sign the lord of that sign is the house

lord...also

> > sometimes two cusps may fall in the same

> sign...letus

> > say,then the lord of the House is the owner of

both

> > houses...!

> > For example if the Xth cusp falls in

>

> > 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29

> degrees

> > Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> > If,in a particular sign there is no

> > cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> > I hope I have made myself clear...pl.

> do

> > not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or

terms

> > like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble

> knowledge,

> > simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only

> confuse

> > yourself and others...

> > With best wishes,

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> > Dear Learned Members,

> >

> > Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 &

855),

> I

> > would like to

> > learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> > giving my

> > observation below.

> >

> > With my best regards,

> >

> > Tin Win

> >

> > The dual lordship of a house would be the case

with

> an

> > intercepted

> > sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> > house cusps, but

> > neither of those house cusps are in that sign,

also

> > called

> > the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> > STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> > (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> > Cancer rising chart

> > in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> > relating to the 4th &

> > 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> > since the 4th cusp

> > is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56

> Pisces

> > and 11th 0-56

> > Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of

> `LENGTH

> > OF SERVICE',

> > Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second

> house

> > extends from 26-

> > 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> > Cancer happens to be

> > in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of

> the

> > second house

> > in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house

> for

> > predicting

> > finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K.

Hahiharan

> > says in his

> > books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the

lord

> of

> > the sign where

> > the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in

the

> > table that Bhava-

> > Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> > `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> > says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th

> house

> > falls at 27-56

> > in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and

> ends

> > at 0-56 Taurus

> > and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords

of

> > intercepted

> > Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and

> Libra

> > sign, Venus,

> > relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

> >

> > Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart

in

> > p. 200 of Reader

> > III, Part Two, under the sub-heading

" REINSTATEMENT

> IN

> > SERVICE,

> > Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant;

> lord

> > is Mars. "

> > Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius

sign

> > is not mentioned

> > even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> > Scorpio and ending

> > 0-18-55 Capricorn.

> >

> > However, in the exactly same example in his three

KP

> > Readers, (i) KP

> > Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> > `TRANSIT' (Sept

> > 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP

> Reader

> > VI `HORARY

> > ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the

0-04

> > Leo rising chart

> > has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to

> 0-30

> > Libra. The 8th

> > house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with

> 0-30

> > Aries. Thus

> > Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted'

signs

> > affecting 2nd

> > and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> > heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled

by

> > Sun. " " --- Kethu

> > is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). "

(In

> > Reader VI there

> > is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11')

> Implicitly

> > it means Sun

> > (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> > (lord of the

> > intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house

by

> > the whole sign)

> > are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's

words

> > that is

> > the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

> >

> > Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs,

but

> > not four

> > intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> > Reader III (Part

> > One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173,

200

> &

> > 223), Reader IV

> > (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241),

Reader

> V

> > (p. 139) &

> > Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and

also

> > in the books of

> > KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> > Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> > June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How

> to

> > Judge

> > Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55,

> 67

> > & 72); `How to

> > Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> > without mentioning

> > about the intercepted signs or neglecting to

include

> > the lord of

> > intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

> >

> > It will be more interesting for the charts with

four

> > intercepted

> > signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like

the

> > 27-52 (KP

> > Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39

Sagittarius

> > rising Queen

> > Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair

and

> > 29-39 Scorpio

> > rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM > Blair's

> > chart, the 5th

> > house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th

house

> > from 3-09 Virgo

> > to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn

to

> > 3-10 Pisces, and

> > 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus

> Leo

> > & Aquarius and

> > Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating

5

> > & 11, and 6 & 12

> > houses. In my understanding and according to the

> above

> > example of

> > Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> > would be taken as

> > lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords

> of

> > 6th house,

> > Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars

as

> > lords of 12th.

> > If the lord of intercepted signs are not included

as

> > co-lords of

> > houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> > Placidus house

> > system, and it would seem like using the Equal

house

> > concept after

> > calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets.

> It

> > is also

> > interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> > depending on the

> > calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus

> houses

> > of PM > > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces

> are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and

> Scorpio

> > & Taurus are

> > intercepted.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

dear sreekumar.

 

if any planet near the cusp up to 3.20 then the planet signify next cusp.but

cusp lord not change.mr, lajmi ji is right about cusp lordship.and if you

saw that cusp lordship change it was mistek of softwarwe.

 

regards

 

kanak bosmia

 

 

> " sreekumar " <sreekumar

>

>

>Re: Re: Dual Lordship of Houses in K.P. System?

>Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:43:45 +0530

>

>Dear List,

>

>Certain KP astrologers follows 3.20 ORB setting. In the example quoted by

>Mr. Yogesh Rao , if house is extended with in 3.20 degrees only previous

>house need to be taken. Now everything is depending on computer softwares

>and they are made with such an option.

> According to above ORB setting Gemini is not taken as house owner. I

>saw

>it in Man Mechine systems KP astro software.

>

>-sreekumar

>

>

>-

> " Yogesh Rao Lajmi " <lyrastro1

>

>Monday, September 20, 2004 10:21 AM

>Re: Re: Dual Lordship of Houses in K.P. System?

>

>

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > A " house " extends from the begining of

> > one cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...this

> > distance may cover one and a half signs...even so,the

> > " house " as said,extends from the cusp uptill the the

> > begining of the next cusp...

> > The Basic Principles of K.P. remain the

> > same...one must check for printing " devils " or even

> > editing mistakes...and make adequate allowances...

> > Since I do not possess the particular

> > reader you mention...I cannot comment...

> > However,supposing the Ascendant is at 26

> > degrees Aries and the IInd cusp falls at 5 degrees

> > Gemini...(and Taurus has no cusp falling in it)...as

> > per K.P., any planet posited between these two cusps

> > is considered to be in the First house,whether a

> > planet is situated at 28 degrees Aries,or 3 degrees

> > Gemini...both are said to be occupying the FIRST

> > HOUSE...as per K.P.,AND,the owner of the Ascendant

> > will be Mars,and that of the second house will be

> > MERCURY... !

> > I hope I have made myself understood ?

> > I must say,I was confused by the terms

> > like " intercepted sign " and " floater " ...etc., which

> > are not in vogue among K.P.followers,nor are they

> > found

> > in K.P. books...

> > With best wishes,

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Yogesh,

> >

> > Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your view

> > of taking the

> > lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son in

> > many places

> > of their books.

> >

> > Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with the

> > term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not

> > available in KP.

> > It is not traditional, but modern Western astrological

> > term used in

> > the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It

> > is just a

> > definition already mentioned, not important.

> >

> > The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are

> > taken as the

> > lords of 2nd house in the same example included in

> > three KP Readers

> > as mentioned in my observation.

> >

> > With my best regards,

> >

> > Tin Win

> >

> > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> > <lyrastro1>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > There is no such thing as

> > " interception "

> > > etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in whichever

> > > sign the lord of that sign is the house lord...also

> > > sometimes two cusps may fall in the same

> > sign...letus

> > > say,then the lord of the House is the owner of both

> > > houses...!

> > > For example if the Xth cusp falls in

> >

> > > 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29

> > degrees

> > > Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> > > If,in a particular sign there is no

> > > cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> > > I hope I have made myself clear...pl.

> > do

> > > not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or terms

> > > like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble

> > knowledge,

> > > simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only

> > confuse

> > > yourself and others...

> > > With best wishes,

> > > Yours sincerely,

> > > lyrastro1

> > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Learned Members,

> > >

> > > Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 & 855),

> > I

> > > would like to

> > > learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> > > giving my

> > > observation below.

> > >

> > > With my best regards,

> > >

> > > Tin Win

> > >

> > > The dual lordship of a house would be the case with

> > an

> > > intercepted

> > > sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> > > house cusps, but

> > > neither of those house cusps are in that sign, also

> > > called

> > > the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> > > STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> > > (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> > > Cancer rising chart

> > > in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> > > relating to the 4th &

> > > 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> > > since the 4th cusp

> > > is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56

> > Pisces

> > > and 11th 0-56

> > > Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of

> > `LENGTH

> > > OF SERVICE',

> > > Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second

> > house

> > > extends from 26-

> > > 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> > > Cancer happens to be

> > > in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of

> > the

> > > second house

> > > in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house

> > for

> > > predicting

> > > finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > > mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K. Hahiharan

> > > says in his

> > > books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the lord

> > of

> > > the sign where

> > > the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in the

> > > table that Bhava-

> > > Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> > > `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> > > says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th

> > house

> > > falls at 27-56

> > > in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and

> > ends

> > > at 0-56 Taurus

> > > and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords of

> > > intercepted

> > > Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and

> > Libra

> > > sign, Venus,

> > > relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

> > >

> > > Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart in

> > > p. 200 of Reader

> > > III, Part Two, under the sub-heading " REINSTATEMENT

> > IN

> > > SERVICE,

> > > Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant;

> > lord

> > > is Mars. "

> > > Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius sign

> > > is not mentioned

> > > even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> > > Scorpio and ending

> > > 0-18-55 Capricorn.

> > >

> > > However, in the exactly same example in his three KP

> > > Readers, (i) KP

> > > Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> > > `TRANSIT' (Sept

> > > 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP

> > Reader

> > > VI `HORARY

> > > ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the 0-04

> > > Leo rising chart

> > > has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to

> > 0-30

> > > Libra. The 8th

> > > house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with

> > 0-30

> > > Aries. Thus

> > > Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted' signs

> > > affecting 2nd

> > > and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> > > heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled by

> > > Sun. " " --- Kethu

> > > is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). " (In

> > > Reader VI there

> > > is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11')

> > Implicitly

> > > it means Sun

> > > (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> > > (lord of the

> > > intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house by

> > > the whole sign)

> > > are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's words

> > > that is

> > > the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

> > >

> > > Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs, but

> > > not four

> > > intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> > > Reader III (Part

> > > One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173, 200

> > &

> > > 223), Reader IV

> > > (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241), Reader

> > V

> > > (p. 139) &

> > > Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and also

> > > in the books of

> > > KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> > > Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> > > June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How

> > to

> > > Judge

> > > Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55,

> > 67

> > > & 72); `How to

> > > Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> > > without mentioning

> > > about the intercepted signs or neglecting to include

> > > the lord of

> > > intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

> > >

> > > It will be more interesting for the charts with four

> > > intercepted

> > > signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like the

> > > 27-52 (KP

> > > Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39 Sagittarius

> > > rising Queen

> > > Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair and

> > > 29-39 Scorpio

> > > rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM > > Blair's

> > > chart, the 5th

> > > house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th house

> > > from 3-09 Virgo

> > > to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn to

> > > 3-10 Pisces, and

> > > 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus

> > Leo

> > > & Aquarius and

> > > Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating 5

> > > & 11, and 6 & 12

> > > houses. In my understanding and according to the

> > above

> > > example of

> > > Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> > > would be taken as

> > > lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords

> > of

> > > 6th house,

> > > Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars as

> > > lords of 12th.

> > > If the lord of intercepted signs are not included as

> > > co-lords of

> > > houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> > > Placidus house

> > > system, and it would seem like using the Equal house

> > > concept after

> > > calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets.

> > It

> > > is also

> > > interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> > > depending on the

> > > calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus

> > houses

> > > of PM > > > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> > > intercepted. In

> > > the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces

> > are

> > > intercepted. In

> > > the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and

> > Scorpio

> > > & Taurus are

> > > intercepted.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreekumar,

I am very keen to know who has prepared

the software you mention...because this is " GREEK " to

me as well as many of my K.P.-follower-friends here...

Also pl. inform as to where this system

is available...I would be very keen to get in touch

with this person and learn more about his method...

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

Dear Sreekumar,

I have certainly heard of orbs of

influence of Planets,each having been allotted a

different degrees...

But,as yet I have not come across of

any reference to " orbs-of-influence of cusps,except

that,when a planet is very close to a cusp,it is

considered to be " almost on the cusp " ,for all

practical purposes...because of its own

orb-of-influence,more than any " orb-of-influence of a

cusp... "

Yours sincerely,

lyrastro1

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

Dear List,

 

Certain KP astrologers follows 3.20 ORB setting. In

the example quoted by

Mr. Yogesh Rao , if house is extended with in 3.20

degrees only previous

house need to be taken. Now everything is depending on

computer softwares

and they are made with such an option.

According to above ORB setting Gemini is not taken

as house owner. I saw

it in Man Mechine systems KP astro software.

 

-sreekumar

 

 

-

" Yogesh Rao Lajmi " <lyrastro1

 

Monday, September 20, 2004 10:21 AM

Re: Re: Dual Lordship of Houses

in K.P. System?

 

 

> Dear Tin Win,

> A " house " extends from the begining of

> one cusp to the beginning of the next cusp...this

> distance may cover one and a half signs...even

so,the

> " house " as said,extends from the cusp uptill the the

> begining of the next cusp...

> The Basic Principles of K.P. remain the

> same...one must check for printing " devils " or even

> editing mistakes...and make adequate allowances...

> Since I do not possess the particular

> reader you mention...I cannot comment...

> However,supposing the Ascendant is at

26

> degrees Aries and the IInd cusp falls at 5 degrees

> Gemini...(and Taurus has no cusp falling in it)...as

> per K.P., any planet posited between these two cusps

> is considered to be in the First house,whether a

> planet is situated at 28 degrees Aries,or 3 degrees

> Gemini...both are said to be occupying the FIRST

> HOUSE...as per K.P.,AND,the owner of the Ascendant

> will be Mars,and that of the second house will be

> MERCURY... !

> I hope I have made myself understood ?

> I must say,I was confused by the terms

> like " intercepted sign " and " floater " ...etc., which

> are not in vogue among K.P.followers,nor are they

> found

> in K.P. books...

> With best wishes,

> Yours sincerely,

> lyrastro1

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Yogesh,

>

> Thank you for your comment. I may agree with your

view

> of taking the

> lord of the house as taken by Gurujee KSK & his son

in

> many places

> of their books.

>

> Very sorry. I am not confusing other members with

the

> term " intercepted sign " or " floater " , which is not

> available in KP.

> It is not traditional, but modern Western

astrological

> term used in

> the Placidus house system, used in the KP system. It

> is just a

> definition already mentioned, not important.

>

> The main interesting point is why Sun & Mecury are

> taken as the

> lords of 2nd house in the same example included in

> three KP Readers

> as mentioned in my observation.

>

> With my best regards,

>

> Tin Win

>

> , Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> <lyrastro1>

> wrote:

> > Dear Tin Win,

> > There is no such thing as

> " interception "

> > etc., in K.P.,...If a house cusp falls in

whichever

> > sign the lord of that sign is the house

lord...also

> > sometimes two cusps may fall in the same

> sign...letus

> > say,then the lord of the House is the owner of

both

> > houses...!

> > For example if the Xth cusp falls in

>

> > 1 degree Libra,and the XI th cusp falls in 29

> degrees

> > Libra,then Venus will be the lord of X and XI...

> > If,in a particular sign there is no

> > cusp,that sign-lord does not own any house...

> > I hope I have made myself clear...pl.

> do

> > not mix up traditional astrological " terms " ,or

terms

> > like " intercepted " etc., which,to my humble

> knowledge,

> > simply do not belong to K.P.,as you will only

> confuse

> > yourself and others...

> > With best wishes,

> > Yours sincerely,

> > lyrastro1

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> > Dear Learned Members,

> >

> > Regarding Ron's question (messages 853, 854 &

855),

> I

> > would like to

> > learn from your esperience and exchange views by

> > giving my

> > observation below.

> >

> > With my best regards,

> >

> > Tin Win

> >

> > The dual lordship of a house would be the case

with

> an

> > intercepted

> > sign, i.e. a sign that falls between two adjacent

> > house cusps, but

> > neither of those house cusps are in that sign,

also

> > called

> > the `floater'. In the KP Reader III `PREDICTIVE

> > STELLEAR ASTROLOGY'

> > (August 1984 Fourth Edition), Part Two, the 1-00

> > Cancer rising chart

> > in p. 173 has Libra & Aries signs intercepted,

> > relating to the 4th &

> > 10th houses because no cusp falls in these signs,

> > since the 4th cusp

> > is at 27-56 Virgo, 5th 0-26 Scorpio, M.C. 27-56

> Pisces

> > and 11th 0-56

> > Taurus. In p. 174, under the sub-heading of

> `LENGTH

> > OF SERVICE',

> > Gurujee K. S. Krishnamurti says " --- the second

> house

> > extends from 26-

> > 56 Cancer to 25-56 Leo. Even though only 43m in

> > Cancer happens to be

> > in the second Bhava and 25-56 is the extension of

> the

> > second house

> > in Leo owned by Sun, the lord of the second house

> for

> > predicting

> > finance, fortune etc is Moon. " It means, as

> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > mentions in message 854 and KSK's son K.

Hahiharan

> > says in his

> > books, that the lord of 2nd house is Moon, the

lord

> of

> > the sign where

> > the cusp falls. In p. 175, after mentioning in

the

> > table that Bhava-

> > Lord of the Bhava 4 is `Mercury', and Bhava 10

> > `Jupiter', Gurujee KSK

> > says, " The Meridian, i.e. the cusp of the 10th

> house

> > falls at 27-56

> > in Pisces, extends all the 30 degree of Aries and

> ends

> > at 0-56 Taurus

> > and the lord of the house is Jupiter. " The lords

of

> > intercepted

> > Aries sign, Mars, relating to the 10th house and

> Libra

> > sign, Venus,

> > relating to the 4th house are not mentioned.

> >

> > Also referring to the 29-26-40 Libra rising chart

in

> > p. 200 of Reader

> > III, Part Two, under the sub-heading

" REINSTATEMENT

> IN

> > SERVICE,

> > Gurujee KSK says in p. 202, " 2nd house is vacant;

> lord

> > is Mars. "

> > Again the lord of the `intercepted' Sagittarius

sign

> > is not mentioned

> > even though the 2nd house commencing from 29-18-55

> > Scorpio and ending

> > 0-18-55 Capricorn.

> >

> > However, in the exactly same example in his three

KP

> > Readers, (i) KP

> > Reader III, Part One, p. 139-144, (ii) KP Reader V

> > `TRANSIT' (Sept

> > 1983 Fourth Edition), p. 139-144, and (iii) KP

> Reader

> > VI `HORARY

> > ASTROLOGY' (1978 Third Edition), p. 83-87, the

0-04

> > Leo rising chart

> > has the 2nd house extending from 28-30 Cancer to

> 0-30

> > Libra. The 8th

> > house commences from 28-30 Aquarius and ends with

> 0-30

> > Aries. Thus

> > Virgo & Pisces are the pair-wise `intercepted'

signs

> > affecting 2nd

> > and 8th houses. Gurujee KSK says under the sub-

> > heading `Marriage', " --- 2 (2nd house) is ruled

by

> > Sun. " " --- Kethu

> > is in the star of Mercury (lord of 2 and 11). "

(In

> > Reader VI there

> > is a typing error of `lord of 1 and 11')

> Implicitly

> > it means Sun

> > (lord of Cancer where 2nd cusp falls) and Mercury

> > (lord of the

> > intercepted Leo sign which is under the 2nd house

by

> > the whole sign)

> > are the rulers or lords of 2nd house, in Ron's

words

> > that is

> > the `dual lordship of 2nd house'.

> >

> > Such kinds of charts with two intercepted signs,

but

> > not four

> > intercepted signs, are very common in KP Readers:

> > Reader III (Part

> > One p. 139, Part Two p. 17, 108, 112, 136, 173,

200

> &

> > 223), Reader IV

> > (p. 99, 105, 116, 193, 207, 225, 231 & 241),

Reader

> V

> > (p. 139) &

> > Reader VI (p. 83,165, 169, 177, 250 & 296), and

also

> > in the books of

> > KSK's son K. Hariharan: `Notable Persons &

> > Krishnamurti Padhdhati,

> > June 1993, (p. 35, 60, 89, 95, 103, 126 & 138); How

> to

> > Judge

> > Longevity?', 1997 Third Edition (p.24, 28, 51, 55,

> 67

> > & 72); `How to

> > Cast and Read Your Horoscope', July 1996 (p. 125),

> > without mentioning

> > about the intercepted signs or neglecting to

include

> > the lord of

> > intercepted sign as the co-lord of the house.

> >

> > It will be more interesting for the charts with

four

> > intercepted

> > signs (in the `sidereal' Placidus houses), like

the

> > 27-52 (KP

> > Ayanamsa) Scorpio arising Cheiro, 28-39

Sagittarius

> > rising Queen

> > Elizabeth II, 11-43 Taurus rising PM Tony Blair

and

> > 29-39 Scorpio

> > rising Catherine Zeta-Jones. In the PM > Blair's

> > chart, the 5th

> > house is from 24-21 Cancer to 3-09 Virgo, 6th

house

> > from 3-09 Virgo

> > to 11-43 Scorpio, 11th house from 24-21 Capricorn

to

> > 3-10 Pisces, and

> > 12th house from 3-10 Pisces to 11-43 Taurus. Thus

> Leo

> > & Aquarius and

> > Libra & Aries are pair wise intercepted, relating

5

> > & 11, and 6 & 12

> > houses. In my understanding and according to the

> above

> > example of

> > Gurujee KSK in his three Readers, Moon & also Sun

> > would be taken as

> > lords of 5th house, Mercury & also Venus as lords

> of

> > 6th house,

> > Saturn as lord of 11th, and Jupiter and also Mars

as

> > lords of 12th.

> > If the lord of intercepted signs are not included

as

> > co-lords of

> > houses, there will be no rationale of using the

> > Placidus house

> > system, and it would seem like using the Equal

house

> > concept after

> > calculating the Placidus houses to locate planets.

> It

> > is also

> > interesting to note that the floaters are changing

> > depending on the

> > calculation method. In the `tropical' Placidus

> houses

> > of PM > > Blair, Libra & Aries and Scorpio & Taurus are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `sidereal' Koch houses, only Virgo and Pisces

> are

> > intercepted. In

> > the `tropical' Koch houses, Leo & Aquarius and

> Scorpio

> > & Taurus are

> > intercepted.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >