Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Hello All KP Experts, I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords changes in average of 4 minuts)??? I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. At least lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 minutes). Thanks in advance. Regards, Punit Pandey The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 BIG NONSENSE;NOT AN EXPERT QUESTION PLEASE READ GO THRU THE TIME RECTIFICATION PROCESS OK.KP IS PERFECT NOT NEEDED ATOMIC CLOCK ,AYANAMSHA ALSO PROPER.ONLY NEED AND CARE IS TO CHECK THE DESIRE QUESTION AT THE TIME OF ASKING JATAK FOR HORARY AND NATALPunit Pandey <punitastrologer wrote: Hello All KP Experts, I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords changes in average of 4 minuts)??? I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. At least lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 minutes). Thanks in advance. Regards, Punit Pandey The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 Dear Amit, I understand your objection. But I am in touch of lots of KP Astrologers using different ayanamsas. There are two ayanamsa popular in KP groups, one is KP Old and other one is KP New. Other than that, I know lots of KP Astrologers researching on Ayanamsa. I am not putting any question mark on KP Ayanamsa but telling you the tendency and research going on amoung KP groups. Also let me know how many KP astrologers perform time rectification process before analyzing the horoscopes? I don't know too many. I can understand that it is necessary process. That's why I wanted to bring this issue in light. Also explain why correct time & correct ayanamsa is not needed (no atomic clock)??? Nothing of above is my opinion but general query that appeared in mind and I think that some attention needed to be paid. Regards, Punit Pandey --- AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI <amitchhattani wrote: > BIG NONSENSE;NOT AN EXPERT QUESTION PLEASE READ GO > THRU THE TIME RECTIFICATION PROCESS OK.KP IS PERFECT > NOT NEEDED ATOMIC CLOCK ,AYANAMSHA ALSO PROPER.ONLY > NEED AND CARE IS TO CHECK THE DESIRE QUESTION AT > THE TIME OF ASKING JATAK FOR HORARY AND NATAL > > Punit Pandey <punitastrologer wrote: > Hello All KP Experts, > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this > group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of > cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, > no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known > variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of > planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub > (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 > seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords > changes in average of 4 minuts)??? > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to > debate. At least lots of people in India don't have > accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 > minutes). > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2003 Report Share Posted April 18, 2003 iI PREDICTED THE SEX OF CHILD WILL BE MALE OR FEMALE AND EVEN TIME OF BIRTH OF CHILD ,SUCCESS HOW WITH KP NEW AND LADY ASKED THREE TIMES I RECTIFIED DESIRE SHE IS DENTIST .FORMULATED METHOD WITH SEX WITH STAR RULING AND SUB WITH TIME OF COMING..AYANAMSSHA GREATLY AFFECTS BUT RESEARCH AND TOPICS CASES COLLECTED AND ON THE BASIS OF WHICH ON GOING ITS IMPORTANT TAKE CASES AND WITH COMPULSIO ONLY AND ONLY OF K.P. NEW AND MAKE A FILE RESULTS WILLBE DIFFERENT WITH KP. OLD AND OTHER AYANAMSHA,DIFFERNECE WILL BE OUTCOME WILL BE DIFFERNET . THIS TOPIC IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND TOO CONFUSING I M WRTING IN SATURN RULING POSITED IN 12TH PLEASE NOTE MORE CONFUSIONS WILL ARISE COMES ,AS DESIRE IS THERE I M WRITING MR. PUNIT JEEOK WELL MY RECTIFIED TIME IS 8:48AM AT 12/07/1976 WITH LONG 78:08 20:25 YAVATMAL(NEAR NAGPUR IN INDIA) EVEN I USED KP NEW ,OLD OUTCOME IS ZERO AS WITH EMPLOYMENT CONSIDER SIGINIFICATOR WITH 6TH,2,11 6TH ASSOCIATION AND SIGNI IS SATURN NO JOB EVEN POWERFUL JUPITER AND SIGNI OF 10TH CUSP IS VENUS HOW GO BACK TO CONCEPT OF DELAY WITH HINDU ASTRO AS SATURN IS MAKING ,NO LITERATURE ON SATURN IN KP BCOZ.TAKE THE CASES LIKE,MIX ALL AS SHARE MARKET SENSEX WITH PROGREESSED ASTRO OF WESTERN , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: Dear Amit,I understand your objection. But I am in touch of lotsof KP Astrologers using different ayanamsas. There aretwo ayanamsa popular in KP groups, one is KP Old andother one is KP New. Other than that, I know lots ofKP Astrologers researching on Ayanamsa. I am notputting any question mark on KP Ayanamsa but tellingyou the tendency and research going on amoung KPgroups. Also let me know how many KP astrologers perform timerectification process before analyzing the horoscopes?I don't know too many. I can understand that it isnecessary process. That's why I wanted to bring thisissue in light.Also explain why correct time & correct ayanamsa isnot needed (no atomic clock)??? Nothing of above is my opinion but general query thatappeared in mind and I think that some attentionneeded to be paid.Regards,Punit Pandey--- AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI <amitchhattaniwrote:> BIG NONSENSE;NOT AN EXPERT QUESTION PLEASE READ GO> THRU THE TIME RECTIFICATION PROCESS OK.KP IS PERFECT> NOT NEEDED ATOMIC CLOCK ,AYANAMSHA ALSO PROPER.ONLY> NEED AND CARE IS TO CHECK THE DESIRE QUESTION AT> THE TIME OF ASKING JATAK FOR HORARY AND NATAL> > Punit Pandey <punitastrologer wrote:> Hello All KP Experts,> > I have a question to ask to all experts of this> group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of> cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa,> no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known> variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of> planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at> hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub> (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25> seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords> changes in average of 4 minuts)???> > I think it is a basic question and good subject to> debate. At least lots of people in India don't have> accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4> minutes).> > Thanks in advance.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 I am not sure about my time of birth The approximatetime is around 3am on 12 01 1932 I have got appolntment in govt service 0n 12 09 1955 Married on 04 05 1959 Promoted to gazetted post joined on04 12 1975 I request you to please verify and inform the correcttime of birth Thanking You RAMAKRISHNAN NAIR P. AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI <amitchhattani wrote: iI PREDICTED THE SEX OF CHILD WILL BE MALE OR FEMALE AND EVEN TIME OF BIRTH OF CHILD ,SUCCESS HOW WITH KP NEW AND LADY ASKED THREE TIMES I RECTIFIED DESIRE SHE IS DENTIST .FORMULATED METHOD WITH SEX WITH STAR RULING AND SUB WITH TIME OF COMING..AYANAMSSHA GREATLY AFFECTS BUT RESEARCH AND TOPICS CASES COLLECTED AND ON THE BASIS OF WHICH ON GOING ITS IMPORTANT TAKE CASES AND WITH COMPULSIO ONLY AND ONLY OF K.P. NEW AND MAKE A FILE RESULTS WILLBE DIFFERENT WITH KP. OLD AND OTHER AYANAMSHA,DIFFERNECE WILL BE OUTCOME WILL BE DIFFERNET . THIS TOPIC IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND TOO CONFUSING I M WRTING IN SATURN RULING POSITED IN 12TH PLEASE NOTE MORE CONFUSIONS WILL ARISE COMES ,AS DESIRE IS THERE I M WRITING MR. PUNIT JEEOK WELL MY RECTIFIED TIME IS 8:48AM AT 12/07/1976 WITH LONG 78:08 20:25 YAVATMAL(NEAR NAGPUR IN INDIA) EVEN I USED KP NEW ,OLD OUTCOME IS ZERO AS WITH EMPLOYMENT CONSIDER SIGINIFICATOR WITH 6TH,2,11 6TH ASSOCIATION AND SIGNI IS SATURN NO JOB EVEN POWERFUL JUPITER AND SIGNI OF 10TH CUSP IS VENUS HOW GO BACK TO CONCEPT OF DELAY WITH HINDU ASTRO AS SATURN IS MAKING ,NO LITERATURE ON SATURN IN KP BCOZ.TAKE THE CASES LIKE,MIX ALL AS SHARE MARKET SENSEX WITH PROGREESSED ASTRO OF WESTERN , Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: Dear Amit,I understand your objection. But I am in touch of lotsof KP Astrologers using different ayanamsas. There aretwo ayanamsa popular in KP groups, one is KP Old andother one is KP New. Other than that, I know lots ofKP Astrologers researching on Ayanamsa. I am notputting any question mark on KP Ayanamsa but tellingyou the tendency and research going on amoung KPgroups. Also let me know how many KP astrologers perform timerectification process before analyzing the horoscopes?I don't know too many. I can understand that it isnecessary process. That's why I wanted to bring thisissue in light.Also explain why correct time & correct ayanamsa isnot needed (no atomic clock)??? Nothing of above is my opinion but general query thatappeared in mind and I think that some attentionneeded to be paid.Regards,Punit Pandey--- AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI <amitchhattaniwrote:> BIG NONSENSE;NOT AN EXPERT QUESTION PLEASE READ GO> THRU THE TIME RECTIFICATION PROCESS OK.KP IS PERFECT> NOT NEEDED ATOMIC CLOCK ,AYANAMSHA ALSO PROPER.ONLY> NEED AND CARE IS TO CHECK THE DESIRE QUESTION AT> THE TIME OF ASKING JATAK FOR HORARY AND NATAL> > Punit Pandey <punitastrologer wrote:> Hello All KP Experts,> > I have a question to ask to all experts of this> group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of> cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa,> no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known> variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of> planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at> hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub> (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25> seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords> changes in average of 4 minuts)???> > I think it is a basic question and good subject to> debate. At least lots of people in India don't have> accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4> minutes).> > Thanks in advance.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Dear Sender, The undersigned requests please don't send such letters to me which is quite confusing. Frankly speaking I don't understand the head and tail of the following CONTENTS given below by you. SIDDHARTHA KP RESEARCHER --- AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI <amitchhattani wrote: > iI PREDICTED THE SEX OF CHILD WILL BE MALE OR FEMALE > AND EVEN TIME OF BIRTH OF CHILD ,SUCCESS HOW WITH > KP NEW AND LADY ASKED THREE TIMES I RECTIFIED DESIRE > SHE IS DENTIST .FORMULATED METHOD WITH SEX WITH > STAR RULING AND SUB WITH TIME OF COMING..AYANAMSSHA > GREATLY AFFECTS BUT RESEARCH AND TOPICS CASES > COLLECTED AND ON THE BASIS OF WHICH ON GOING ITS > IMPORTANT TAKE CASES AND WITH COMPULSIO ONLY AND > ONLY OF K.P. NEW AND MAKE A FILE RESULTS WILLBE > DIFFERENT WITH KP. OLD AND OTHER > AYANAMSHA,DIFFERNECE WILL BE OUTCOME WILL BE > DIFFERNET .THIS TOPIC IS VERY TIME CONSUMING AND TOO > CONFUSING I M WRTING IN SATURN RULING POSITED IN > 12TH PLEASE NOTE MORE CONFUSIONS WILL ARISE COMES > ,AS DESIRE IS THERE I M WRITING MR. PUNIT JEEOKWELL > MY RECTIFIED TIME IS 8:48AM AT 12/07/1976 WITH LONG > 78:08 20:25 YAVATMAL(NEAR NAGPUR IN INDIA)EVEN I > USED KP NEW ,OLD OUTCOME IS ZERO AS WITH EMPLOYMENT > CONSIDER SIGINIFICATOR WITH 6TH,2,116TH ASSOCIATION > AND SIGNI IS SATURN NO JOB EVEN POWERFUL JUPITER AND > SIGNI OF 10TH CUSP IS VENUS HOWGO BACK TO CONCEPT OF > DELAY WITH HINDU ASTRO AS SATURN IS MAKING ,NO > LITERATURE ON SATURN IN KP BCOZ.TAKE THE CASES > LIKE,MIX ALL AS SHARE MARKET SENSEX WITH PROGREESSED > ASTRO OF WESTERN , > > Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote:Dear > Amit, > > I understand your objection. But I am in touch of > lots > of KP Astrologers using different ayanamsas. There > are > two ayanamsa popular in KP groups, one is KP Old and > other one is KP New. Other than that, I know lots of > KP Astrologers researching on Ayanamsa. I am not > putting any question mark on KP Ayanamsa but telling > you the tendency and research going on amoung KP > groups. > > Also let me know how many KP astrologers perform > time > rectification process before analyzing the > horoscopes? > I don't know too many. I can understand that it is > necessary process. That's why I wanted to bring this > issue in light. > > Also explain why correct time & correct ayanamsa is > not needed (no atomic clock)??? > > Nothing of above is my opinion but general query > that > appeared in mind and I think that some attention > needed to be paid. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > --- AMIT BANSILAL CHHATTANI > <amitchhattani > wrote: > > BIG NONSENSE;NOT AN EXPERT QUESTION PLEASE READ GO > > THRU THE TIME RECTIFICATION PROCESS OK.KP IS > PERFECT > > NOT NEEDED ATOMIC CLOCK ,AYANAMSHA ALSO > PROPER.ONLY > > NEED AND CARE IS TO CHECK THE DESIRE QUESTION AT > > THE TIME OF ASKING JATAK FOR HORARY AND NATAL > > > > Punit Pandey <punitastrologer wrote: > > Hello All KP Experts, > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this > > group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of > > cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP > System. > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on > ayanamsa, > > no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known > > variations of computer programs, unsteady motion > of > > planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub > > (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 > > seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords > > changes in average of 4 minuts)??? > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to > > debate. At least lots of people in India don't > have > > accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 > > minutes). > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 --- Yes. I have run into two different KAy. I entirely agree with need to check out birth time rectification, if one is to proceed further into Ay research. It is time consuming, but anyone who has come with a clinching evidence that an event in a particular horoscope has validated a particular ayanamsa should post that here. That would be doing great service to everyone. If I do come across a case, I will put. Regards, K.Seshadri The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Dear punitji Thats one of the very good issue in K.P to discuss.As u rightly said the time of the charts are not accurate and the sub-subs changing very faster,its not meaningful to still really rely on sub-subs further. Man cannot become each and everything in this world even after millions of years. There is still certain things that he cannot even dream of.Believing on this,I think our great guruji,founder of K.P system has also stressed upon only the Sub-lord and not Sub-Sub greatly.I dont say that doing research on this is useless but rather we can believe more on Sub which can be accurate and do more researches on that. Hope I am not hurting anybody's feelings or beliefs by this.If so,take this as my kind suggestion. Wish u all a great success!!!. Thanking you Balaji Gopalakrishnan , Punit Pandey <punitastrologer> wrote: > > Hello All KP Experts, > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords changes in average of 4 minuts)??? > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. At least lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 minutes). > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 Dear Balaji, Yes, it depends upon individual. Personally I don't take sub-sub of cusps. Although I take sub-sub in timing events. I think, there is a lot of scope of research in KP as it can not predict even things that can be predicted by traditional astrology. A lot of research is needed to converge this branch towards nadi or brigu samhita. Although, in my opionion, there is full possiblility. Regards, Punit Pandeybalrad2001 <balrad2001 wrote: Dear punitjiThats one of the very good issue in K.P to discuss.As u rightly said the time of the charts are not accurate and the sub-subs changing very faster,its not meaningful to still really rely on sub-subs further.Man cannot become each and everything in this world even after millions of years. There is still certain things that he cannot even dream of.Believing on this,I think our great guruji,founder of K.P system has also stressed upon only the Sub-lord and not Sub-Sub greatly.I dont say that doing research on this is useless but rather we can believe more on Sub which can be accurate and do more researches on that.Hope I am not hurting anybody's feelings or beliefs by this.If so,take this as my kind suggestion.Wish u all a great success!!!.Thanking youBalaji Gopalakrishnan , Punit Pandey <punitastrologer> wrote:> > Hello All KP Experts,> > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today we utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all predictions based on KP System. > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no consensus on true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer programs, unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub lords change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal sub lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???> > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. At least lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > Thanks in advance.> > Regards,> > Punit Pandey > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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