Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hello Chaya, In SA, long term trend results are seen through natal planetary influences which hold the promise and the operating sub period lord becomes the indicator. The transit influences give short term results till the transit influences are effective. As per SA if the sixth lord is strong and not causing an affliction in the natal chart, its results are as under: The Sixth House Sound financial position, victory over enemies and no apprehension of losses through theft and fire. For reference you may visit: http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology30.htm Based on these basic premises an advance prediction was made for the victory of Mr. George Bush when most of the people were expecting an easy victory for John Kerry. If you sit on judgement for something which you do not know, it is your own problem. Continuing an unscientific approach causes lot of obstructions to one's learning. SA is the only clear and real scientific knowledge in the field of predictive astrology and it stands the test of time. Best wishes. - chayagraha Monday, April 27, 2009 6:10 AM SA failure? Dear Professor: I am in great doubt and somewhat shaken about SA. I was presented with the chart of GW Bush and the transits on the occasion of his being elected for a second term as president of the USA as an example of why SA principles do not work universally. Please comment on the following as I cannot relieve my doubts perhaps because I am not so good an SA astrologer. Birthname Bush, George Walker born on 6 July 1946 at 07:26 (= 07:26 AM ) Place New Haven CT, USA, 41n18, 72w55 Timezone EDT h4w (is daylight saving time) Data source Quoted BC/BR Event: 3 November 2004 (won election held 11/2/2004 and gave victory speech. The basic argument runs that there are only functional malefic events in the transit chart for this event that precludes disaster for GW Bush denying a win of a national election. Since he did win, SA principles are rubbish. The main points: 1. Main period of Saturn and sub period of Jupiter are running. Main period Lord is the Most Malefic Planet and Jupiter is FM 6th Lord. This alone does not bode well for success as main period Lord is weak in infancy and combust. Natal Jupiter is in better shape and can resist the aspect from natal Rahu in the 11th house as it is aspected by natal FB Moon and gains by being in a sun-like house. Still, FM Jupiter brings the signification of sickness, enemies, disputes and losses in its sub period. 2. Transiting MMP Saturn as 8th Lord is exactly conjunct natal Saturn in the 1st house: death like experiences, accidents and obstructions. Transiting Moon is also afflicted and as 1st house Lord; oneself, status and reputation are lost. 3. Transiting Jupiter is afflicting 93% the MEP of the 3rd, 7th, 9th and 11th houses bringing disease and disputes to initiatives, partners, luck and wishes. 4.Transiting debilitated Venus is 60% conjunct transiting FM Jupiter disturbing mental peace and team spirit. (I can see transiting Venus helping Jupiter significator of political and administrative positions but it is so weak in transit it wouldn't seem to help enough for a national win.) 5. Transiting Sun is debilitated and aspecting the MEP of the 4th and 10th houses at 21%. 6. Transiting Mars is weak in infancy so lack of power in initiatives. Sincerely, Chaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Dear Professor: Many thanks for your answer. I have been studying SA for some time through your website and books. My faith was shaken when this chart was presented to me in a forum by, how should I say, " anti-SA'ists " and I must say that the SA principles they presented on the GW Bush chart certainly upset my faith. So, forgive me as I am trying to enhance my understanding. I am not sitting on judgment for something I do not know, but am just trying to learn; that's my problem. You noted in your response that based on the strength of GWB's sub period lord at the time, Jupiter, he won the race between himself and John Kerry. You said if the " sixth lord is strong and not causing an affliction in the natal chart, its results are as under: The Sixth House Sound financial position, victory over enemies and no apprehension of losses through theft and fire. " I can understand the result of a strong 6th Lord but you also noted if it was not afflicting. Most of the software with SA factors, including Jr Jyotish, shows the Moon as 71% afflicted. So the anti-SA'ists are wrong on the afflicted Moon, right? In GWB's natal, by SA rules, Jupiter the 6th Lord is not afflicting the chart Lord, the Moon. It's close, but about a half a degree out of orb. A point that I am a bit confused on is; I thought in SA, transits could supersede dasa/bukhti results wherein classical Jyotish has it the other way around. The rather dire Saturn return and transiting FM Jupiter's affliction to all those houses, how does that fit in? Sincerely, Chaya , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello Chaya, > > In SA, long term trend results are seen through natal planetary influences which hold the promise and the operating sub period lord becomes the indicator. The transit influences give short term results till the transit influences are effective. > > As per SA if the sixth lord is strong and not causing an affliction in the natal chart, its results are as under: > > The Sixth House > Sound financial position, victory over enemies and no apprehension of losses through theft and fire. > > For reference you may visit: > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology30.htm > > Based on these basic premises an advance prediction was made for the victory of Mr. George Bush when most of the people were expecting an easy victory for John Kerry. > > If you sit on judgement for something which you do not know, it is your own problem. Continuing an unscientific approach causes lot of obstructions to one's learning. > > SA is the only clear and real scientific knowledge in the field of predictive astrology and it stands the test of time. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > chayagraha > > Monday, April 27, 2009 6:10 AM > SA failure? > > > > > > Dear Professor: > > I am in great doubt and somewhat shaken about SA. I was presented with the chart of GW Bush and the transits on the occasion of his being elected for a second term as president of the USA as an example of why SA principles do not work universally. Please comment on the following as I cannot relieve my doubts perhaps because I am not so good an SA astrologer. > > Birthname Bush, George Walker > born on 6 July 1946 at 07:26 (= 07:26 AM ) > Place New Haven CT, USA, 41n18, 72w55 > Timezone EDT h4w (is daylight saving time) > Data source Quoted BC/BR > > Event: 3 November 2004 (won election held 11/2/2004 and gave victory speech. > > The basic argument runs that there are only functional malefic events in the transit chart for this event that precludes disaster for GW Bush denying a win of a national election. Since he did win, SA principles are rubbish. > > The main points: > > 1. Main period of Saturn and sub period of Jupiter are running. Main period Lord is the Most Malefic Planet and Jupiter is FM 6th Lord. This alone does not bode well for success as main period Lord is weak in infancy and combust. Natal Jupiter is in better shape and can resist the aspect from natal Rahu in the 11th house as it is aspected by natal FB Moon and gains by being in a sun-like house. Still, FM Jupiter brings the signification of sickness, enemies, disputes and losses in its sub period. > > 2. Transiting MMP Saturn as 8th Lord is exactly conjunct natal Saturn in the 1st house: death like experiences, accidents and obstructions. Transiting Moon is also afflicted and as 1st house Lord; oneself, status and reputation are lost. > > 3. Transiting Jupiter is afflicting 93% the MEP of the 3rd, 7th, 9th and 11th houses bringing disease and disputes to initiatives, partners, luck and wishes. > > 4.Transiting debilitated Venus is 60% conjunct transiting FM Jupiter disturbing mental peace and team spirit. > (I can see transiting Venus helping Jupiter significator of political and administrative positions but it is so weak in transit it wouldn't seem to help enough for a national win.) > > 5. Transiting Sun is debilitated and aspecting the MEP of the 4th and 10th houses at 21%. > > 6. Transiting Mars is weak in infancy so lack of power in initiatives. > > Sincerely, > Chaya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hello Chaya, The natal strong planetary influences keep on showing their results irrespective of the transit and sub periods in operation. The transit influences and unfavorable sub periods in such situations can cause mild stress. Best wishes. - chayagraha Monday, April 27, 2009 7:25 PM Re: SA failure - No. Dear Professor: Many thanks for your answer. I have been studying SA for some time through your website and books. My faith was shaken when this chart was presented to me in a forum by, how should I say, " anti-SA'ists " and I must say that the SA principles they presented on the GW Bush chart certainly upset my faith. So, forgive me as I am trying to enhance my understanding. I am not sitting on judgment for something I do not know, but am just trying to learn; that's my problem. You noted in your response that based on the strength of GWB's sub period lord at the time, Jupiter, he won the race between himself and John Kerry. You said if the " sixth lord is strong and not causing an affliction in the natal chart, its results are as under: The Sixth House Sound financial position, victory over enemies and no apprehension of losses through theft and fire. " I can understand the result of a strong 6th Lord but you also noted if it was not afflicting. Most of the software with SA factors, including Jr Jyotish, shows the Moon as 71% afflicted. So the anti-SA'ists are wrong on the afflicted Moon, right? In GWB's natal, by SA rules, Jupiter the 6th Lord is not afflicting the chart Lord, the Moon. It's close, but about a half a degree out of orb. A point that I am a bit confused on is; I thought in SA, transits could supersede dasa/bukhti results wherein classical Jyotish has it the other way around. The rather dire Saturn return and transiting FM Jupiter's affliction to all those houses, how does that fit in? Sincerely, Chaya , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > Hello Chaya, > > In SA, long term trend results are seen through natal planetary influences which hold the promise and the operating sub period lord becomes the indicator. The transit influences give short term results till the transit influences are effective. > > As per SA if the sixth lord is strong and not causing an affliction in the natal chart, its results are as under: > > The Sixth House > Sound financial position, victory over enemies and no apprehension of losses through theft and fire. > > For reference you may visit: > > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology30.htm > > Based on these basic premises an advance prediction was made for the victory of Mr. George Bush when most of the people were expecting an easy victory for John Kerry. > > If you sit on judgement for something which you do not know, it is your own problem. Continuing an unscientific approach causes lot of obstructions to one's learning. > > SA is the only clear and real scientific knowledge in the field of predictive astrology and it stands the test of time. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > chayagraha > > Monday, April 27, 2009 6:10 AM > SA failure? > > > > > > Dear Professor: > > I am in great doubt and somewhat shaken about SA. I was presented with the chart of GW Bush and the transits on the occasion of his being elected for a second term as president of the USA as an example of why SA principles do not work universally. Please comment on the following as I cannot relieve my doubts perhaps because I am not so good an SA astrologer. > > Birthname Bush, George Walker > born on 6 July 1946 at 07:26 (= 07:26 AM ) > Place New Haven CT, USA, 41n18, 72w55 > Timezone EDT h4w (is daylight saving time) > Data source Quoted BC/BR > > Event: 3 November 2004 (won election held 11/2/2004 and gave victory speech. > > The basic argument runs that there are only functional malefic events in the transit chart for this event that precludes disaster for GW Bush denying a win of a national election. Since he did win, SA principles are rubbish. > > The main points: > > 1. Main period of Saturn and sub period of Jupiter are running. Main period Lord is the Most Malefic Planet and Jupiter is FM 6th Lord. This alone does not bode well for success as main period Lord is weak in infancy and combust. Natal Jupiter is in better shape and can resist the aspect from natal Rahu in the 11th house as it is aspected by natal FB Moon and gains by being in a sun-like house. Still, FM Jupiter brings the signification of sickness, enemies, disputes and losses in its sub period. > > 2. Transiting MMP Saturn as 8th Lord is exactly conjunct natal Saturn in the 1st house: death like experiences, accidents and obstructions. Transiting Moon is also afflicted and as 1st house Lord; oneself, status and reputation are lost. > > 3. Transiting Jupiter is afflicting 93% the MEP of the 3rd, 7th, 9th and 11th houses bringing disease and disputes to initiatives, partners, luck and wishes. > > 4.Transiting debilitated Venus is 60% conjunct transiting FM Jupiter disturbing mental peace and team spirit. > (I can see transiting Venus helping Jupiter significator of political and administrative positions but it is so weak in transit it wouldn't seem to help enough for a national win.) > > 5. Transiting Sun is debilitated and aspecting the MEP of the 4th and 10th houses at 21%. > > 6. Transiting Mars is weak in infancy so lack of power in initiatives. > > Sincerely, > Chaya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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