PART III[SESSION II]

April 23, 2009

Dear Prof Choudhry and SA astrologers,

Namasthe.Pl find below, the last part { PART III[sESSION II] } of the

Proceedings of the Fourth Intl Conf of SA Astrologers[2009].

If, any of the Intl Conf participants find that, I have not covered one or two

of their Qs, I would like to submit that, any errors or omissions that have

crept in, have been purely unintentional.So, please do not hold it against me.

Taking down notes; following every conversation in the Conf; and also

simultaneously seeking clarifications, where things were not clear, was no easy

task for me. Add to this my difficulty in not quickly deciphering the chart in

the North Indian format.

Along with the rest of the participants, I offer my gratitude to Prof Choudhry,

Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, and others, who have contributed in a number of ways to

make this Conf a fulfilling experience - in the learning and the sharing of the

SA Light, especially in the presence of Prof Choudhry.

Best regards

Sankara

International Institute of Predictive Astrology[iIPA]

Proceedings of The Fourth Intl Conf of SA Astrologers,

Club Patio South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India

11th & 12th April, 2009

Part III[session II]: The Second Day, Afternoon

In this last session, Prof Choudhry asked if there were any additional case

studies, which needed closer scrutiny? The first one was brought up by Sri Nawal

Kishore. This was an enigmatic case of twins, one of whom was perfectly healthy,

while the other suffered from Optic Atrophy.

First Case Study:

Twin [Healthy]:

[May 22nd 1991, 12:24 PM*, New Delhi (77E13, 28N37)]

MEP= 10Deg 02Mts, Su at 6Deg 57Mts

Twin [with Optical Atrophy]:

[May 22nd, 1991, 12:29PM, New Delhi (77E13, 28N37)]

MEP= 11Deg:08Mts, Su at 6Deg 58Mts

Prof Choudhry said the optical atrophy problem can be with the younger child as

the greater influence of the Sun in the elder child's chart protects him.

This deficiency in vision was detected when the twins were 1.5 yrs old.

The Mo is deb in the Navamsa div chart[thus weak] and afflicted by both malefics

Ra and Ke in the sign Virgo in the D-6 div chart, as the IIH lord of vision in

the right eye. In the Rasi chart, the Mo however rules the left eye [for males].

Prof Choudhry, pointed out that, in the case of the healthy twin, as the very

strong Su in the XH, as the general significator of vision, had provided

additional relief to the extent of some 20%, through its impact, it thereby also

alleviated the affliction to the Mo by some 20%. He also pointed out that Ju and

Ma, which were placed in the malefic XIIH, also had to suffer, because of the

affliction from Ra to their dispositor, the Mo. When I had asked Prof Choudhry,

whether, the eye-trouble would never have occurred in the first place, if the

chart had the MEP at 6degs 57mts, he said, " Yes, this trouble, may not have

manifested in such a case " .

*As a scribe, writing down the Conf Proceedings, I had to seek further

clarification from Prof Choudhry, by raising the Q through an e-mail: That when

the TOB of the healthy twin is advanced by just one minute and made 12:23

PM[instead of 12:24 PM]; then the Asdt in the D-6 chart of the healthy twin,

receives the blessing from the strong Su, from the VIIH of this D-6 chart;

whereas, if the TOB of the 'optic atrophied' twin is retained at 12:29 PM[or

even advanced to 12:28 PM]; then the Asdt of the D-6 chart does not get the

blessing from the strong Su. Whether in view of this data, we should consider

12:23 PM as the correct TOB for the healthy twin?

Prof Choudhry replied that this observation may be included in the Conf

Proceedings, as additional SA light on the original Q raised by Sri Naval

Kishore. We may also note in passing that with the TOB at 12:23 PM for the

healthy twin, we secure the additional impact of the Su, on the whole chart as

the significator of vision, amounting to something like 40%.

Second Case Study:

This was brought up by Sri Aman Deep Saini. It was a " short lived problem " . A

normal senior citizen, suddenly suffering from a loss of memory, & this making

him very angry and irritable, etc. These were the symptoms.

[17-10-1933, 5:48 AM, Delhi (77E13, 28N40)]

Professor remarked that short-lived problems invariably arise on account of Tr

afflictions and that the same must be true here also. The Me-Me sub-period had

commenced in Aug 2007 and would run till Jan 2010. He also drew attention to

natal Sa's close affliction [10th aspect] to Me, the dasa lord. The affliction

to the dispositor of Me, Ve, from the angry planet Ma, is also expected in the

SA, to indirectly impact on Me. There was a prolonged stationary Tr affliction

from the nodes to natal strong Sa, from mid Dec 2008 to Apr 2009. Worse still,

Tr stationary Ke, around 14-15 degs in Cancer, closely afflicted both Ma & Ve in

the sign Scorpio, aggravating the whole situation.

Throwing more light on the SA Preventive Remedial Measures as a means of

protecting oneself from the onslaughts of such Tr afflictions; the Prof

remarked that he organized the Conf, at a time when the Tr afflictions from the

nodes[in his own chart] had not in fact fully cleared. " With the help of

preventive Remedies, we can keep on going and peacefully sail through " , the

Professor said. The Conf was planned in fact eight months ago, when he had

foreknowledge of the coming stationary Tr afflictions from the nodes, but that

the Remedies had given him the confidence to sail through smoothly. In passing

he mentioned that while in the case of modern medicine, doctors are treating

symptoms rather than the disease conditions, in Astrology, we are pacifying the

causative factors through the daily propitiative charities.

Third Case Study:

This was presented by Cmdr Ashutosh Pandey.

[10 Aug 1958, 14:39 hrs, Delhi (77E13, 28N40), Scorpio Asdt]

The gentleman in question, is a producer of video tapes & music cassettes. By

Pandeyji's account, the gentleman had a hunch that he would succeed in his

business, only in distant lands. Once there however, the odds turned out to be

against him. Pandeyji sought Professor's comments.

It was pointed out that the nodes afflicted Ju, one of the professional planets,

and that too in the malefic XIIH. Worst still, was the malefic Ma's exact

affliction to the IXH MEP, the XIIH MEP, as well as the Asdt MEP. So Professor

said that multiple propitiatory Remedies were called for in this case, to bring

relief in distant lands.

It is however interesting to observe that the mutual beneficial yoga between Sa

as the IVH lord and the Mo as the IXH lord, does in fact tally with the hunch of

the businessman, while the afflictions, to the IXH, XIIH [both distant lands],

as well as the Asdt and the IIH lord, which made life in distant lands

difficult, did not trouble him with any foreboding.

Fourth Case Study:

This was also presented by Sri Pandeyji.

The chart was that of a famous stage actor, who in spite of securing a contract

to go to the US, found to his dismay that every time, some other person was

selected instead of him and he sought to understand this conspiracy in his

destiny!

[Mar 18th 1960, 8:30 AM, Mumbai (72E49, 18N57)]

This chart had many strong benefic planets, but Ra & Ke caused close afflictions

to the Su and the deb Mo, placed in the malefic XIIH & VIIIH respectively. In

Prof's view, Remedial Measures for all FMs, Ra, Ke & Me, were called for, if he

is to have success.

When Pandeyji mentioned that many people are reluctant to perform Remedial

Measures, Prof Choudhry mentioned the case of a young beautiful lady, who was a

post graduate by qualification and who was working in a bank in Parliament

street. It was mentioned that she was also from a good family. When initially

Remedial Measures were recommended for her, she was indifferent and probably

thought them unnecessary! She was actually seeking a life partner. When after

two years of her search, still no life partner turned up on the horizon, she

came right back, in all earnestness, ready to do the Remedial Measures.

Special Note to Conclude Part II[session II]:

Before the Concluding Remarks by the Prof, I had sought his permission, to add

the significant point, which I had made, actually made during the Conf, towards

the end of Part II [session II]{My PPP on 'The Light of the SA on World

leaders,. etc'}, but which I had failed to insert in my writing up of the

Proceedings, because I was under tremendous pressure, on account of multiple

deadlines.

When I had applied all the six 'Essential Ingredients' to the chart of the

Professor, I found that, the chart had in fact passed the test, just as well as

the other charts of the World Leaders had. As I am placed in the rather lucky

position of actually being able to understand, that his Astrological research

work is of Monumental Proportions and would tantamount to a Monumental

Legacy[because even the Sutra for the 'Final Fruit' gives excellent results for

his chart]; I would like to make this concluding statement, without in any way,

causing him embarrassment. That the profound significance of his Mission Work

is being appreciated internationally and would find still better recognition in

the times to come.

We are living in a Science and Technology-centered World, and in such an age,

Vedic knowledge systems like Astrology, simply will not find favour, with the

establishment. However, we may hope, that in spite of this prevailing blindness

of our age to Ancient disciplines of learning, the day may not be far off, when

even Astrology may come to be recognized, for the immense healing and relief it

is bringing, to its adherents, the world over.

This has been said here, not to create any 'special aura' around Prof Choudhry

[for he will be the first person to be thoroughly uncomfortable with such a

thing in the first place!], but only to be fair to his work, in the light of my

PPP.

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The following question was raised by me, in an attempt to ensure that the SA of

Prof Choudhry must gain firmer ground and wider acceptance among the world of

astrologers world-wide. I addressed this Q to Prof Choudhry, seeking an answer

from him.

Q: I find many 'Vedic Astrologers', a few of greater renown, but many of

moderate standing also, using 'Vedic Astrology' as the appropriate name for

their system of astrology. As we know the SA to be so powerful and efficacious

in its predictive accuracy, analytical clarity, as well as in the functional

nature of planets; should we not consider renaming your 'Systems Approach', as

'Prof V. K. Choudhry's Vedic Astrology', so as to keep the door more wide open

for other Vedic astrologers to discover this precious SA?

My Q was answered by the Professor in the concluding session.

Prof Choudhry's Concluding Remarks:

In his usual self-composed manner, Prof Choudhry began the concluding session,

by mentioning the benefits of the PPP by Dr. Sankara Bhgavadpada on: 'The Light

of the Systems Approach on World Leaders, their Mass Movements and their

Monumental Legacies'; the benefits of Sri Roop Saranji's PPP on: 'The importance

of the IIIH in the SA'; the benefits of Cmdr Ashutosh Pandey's PPP on 'Marital

Problems & Astral Help'. He also added that a number of Qs, seeking

clarifications and fruitful discussions on charts had taken place.

It was explained by the Professor: 'The number of the Practitioners of the SA,

does not become large, because we are not interested in the lay people.

Technical discussions are our forte, not mere propagation.' It was also

mentioned by him that constantly, new areas come under the purview of the SA,

because it has been a long standing tradition in the teaching of astrology, that

new knowledge is always added, only as new Qs are raised by the students and

learners of astrology. He held that this was the sure way in which true

astrological knowledge will expand. In this connection he pointed out the 'open

house' policy, whereby all people, whether fully knowledgeable or not can well

become SATVA members. Professor also made it known that the SA knowledge is

constantly upgraded on his website and that new developments are often posted on

the Home Page itself.

In reply to my abovementioned Q, Prof remarked that the name: 'The Systems

Approach' [sA], has done excellently well, as it has spread in more than seventy

countries, even through the translations into the European foreign languages of

French, Portuguese and Serbian. He did not seem interested, in accelerating the

pace with which SA was reaching out to seekers the world over. In his view, he

said 'Good things in life will be available only to sincere and deserving

people.' Looking back, he reminisced as to how, many sitting in the Conf as

delegates originally came to him to consult on life's sudden setbacks. He said

Sri Gaurav Dhameja's father had come for a consultation originally, and here we

have the son, sitting as an astrologer with us.

Summing up, he said, " Till humanity lives, the SA will be alive. I have no great

craving. Whatever God has blessed me with, that is more than enough. " [Here we

see, from close quarters, the spiritual disposition and the nobility of the

Professor's soul.]

He added that at the next SA Intl Conf, we could have Conf Proceedings for three

consecutive days, with the third day, devoted exclusively to Consultations.

In this way , by sharing the new Sutras and laying down

clearly his spiritual philosophy, which is his foundation for his astrological

research in the form of the Systems Approach, concluded this session, with the

handing over of the Intl Conf participation certificates, to all the delegates,

one by one. There was also a group photograph at the end of the certificate

ceremony and with that the fourth Intl Conf of SA astrologers came to a close on

an amicable and peaceful note.

April 24, 2009

Dr SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA

Namaskar,

You have composed a wonderful report on proceedings of the Fourth Intl Conf of

SA Astrologers[ 2009]. I have gone though the whole report.

Many Many thanks for your intense efforts.

With Regards

Nawal kishore

--- On Thu, 23/4/09, SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara

wrote:

SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara

PART III[sESSION II]

Cc: siha

Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 12:15 PM

Dear Prof Choudhry and SA astrologers,

Namasthe.Pl find below, the last part { PART III[sESSION II] } of the

Proceedings of the Fourth Intl Conf of SA Astrologers[ 2009].

If, any of the Intl Conf participants find that, I have not covered one or two

of their Qs, I would like to submit that, any errors or omissions that have

crept in, have been purely unintentional. So, please do not hold it against me.