PROCEEDINGS OF THE SA INTL CONF-PARTIII[SESSION I]

April 22, 2009

Dear Prof Choudhry and SA astrologers,

Namasthe.Pl see below, Part III[session I] of the Proceedings of the SA Intl

Conf-2009.

Best regards

Sankara.

International Institute of Predictive Astrology[iIPA]

Proceedings of The Fourth Intl Conf of SA Astrologers,

Club Patio South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India

11th & 12th April, 2009

Part III[session I]: The Second Day, Forenoon

Sri Roop Saranji , presented six case studies, as illustrations of: 'The

Importance of the IIIH in the SA'. He preceded his case studies by a talk, which

emphasized the importance of the IIIH and its numerous significations in the SA,

from a number of different angles.

He first of all emphasized the 'Sun-like' character of the IIIH. This meant that

the IIIH is recognized in the SA as a very powerful H, with its lord, having 'as

much power' as the Su would have. [in an aside, I may do well to confess that,

the full realization of the significance of any 'Sun-like House' in the SA had

suddenly dawned upon me only when Prof Choudhry, went into it more deeply,

during one of my dialogues with him after the Conf hours].

Sri Saranji considered the various significations of the IIIH, one by one.

Firstly he said, the IIIH's essence was life & motion. Secondly he said, the

IIIH, was an expression of life itself. Thirdly he said it was the H of

communication. He reiterated the fact that the IIIH, more than any other H,

dealt with the movement of life and that all activities in the spheres of the

arts and the sciences were covered by it. Next he emphasized that the desire to

succeed is given by the IIIH, and that this indeed is the initiative, which is

the most important signification of the IIIH. All in all, he was stressing only

the paramount importance of the IIIH.

Among other significations of the IIIH, he marshalled, for bringing home its

importance in the field of medical astrology, he dwelt on respiration and noted

that all achievements in life revolve around this central function of

respiration. He included the signification of hands and even the nervous

system*. He added the signification of energy and included the medical

astrological signification of the Thyroid glands*.

Sri Saranji included the signification of Karmayoga, as well as that of short &

long journeys. Finally he also included as the IIIH signification, the Puranic

legend of lord Shiva as Neelakanta, retaining the poison in the throat when the

same emerged as a result of churning of the milk ocean, by the Devas & Asuras.

In invoking the Neelakanta signification of the IIIH, Sri Saranji had taken the

IIIH to also signify the neck. He thus completed enumerating all the

significations of the IIIH.

*I raised a Q at this point, wanting to know how, the significations of the

nervous system, the Thyroid glands, and Neelakanta, fell into the domain of the

IIIH?

In the SA, I had learnt from the Professor's writings, that the nervous system

was represented by Me and that when the VIH was afflicted, one may also suffer a

nervous breakdown. But any connection of the nervous system with the IIIH,

seemed to me to be not correct - which was the reason, I raised the Q. When I

turned to Prof Choudhry, for verification, he requested Dr. Batra [who had

researched Medical astrology in the SA thoroughly] to come forward and throw

light on these aspects of Medical astrology in the SA.

Dr. Batra, taking up first the Q of the Thyroid glands, mentioned that this is a

ductless [endocrine] gland, which secretes directly into the blood stream,

unlike the more familiar sweat glands, which were exocrine in nature and that Ju

signified all glands in the body. But that, in terms of the Hs, Thyroid glands,

must be assigned to both the IIH as well as the IIIH [sA Sutra].

Turning to the signification of the nervous system, she said Me was the main

significator of the nervous system. Prof Choudhry also pointed out that in the

SA, the head and the VIH, governed and represented the nervous system [sA

Sutra]. Thus it became clear that the nervous system is not one of the

significations of the IIIH. Dr Batra, answering a Q from Smt Sunita Singhal on

brain hemorrhages, mentioned that the IH, Ma & Me signified brain hemorrhages

[sA Sutra].

We now go to the six case studies of Sri Saranji, through which, he sought to

illustrate the multiple significations of the IIIH.

Case Study 1[A quarrelsome person]:

[May 9th, 1971, 8:04PM, Calcutta (88E22, 22N22), TZ=-5Hrs 30 Mts]

This was a Scorpio Asdt chart of a lady, who in spite of having the strong

sattvik benefic Ju in the Asdt, had a reputation in her office for being so

highly courageous and aggressive that she created a lot of enemies around her.

Saranji, attributed so many enemies to the close affliction of the IIIH by the

Ra-Ke axis, to Ke's close aspect on the Asdt, and to the angry & quarrelsome

malefic exalted Ma, placed as the lord of the VIH in the IIIH of team work. It

was not surprising therefore that in the office atmosphere; she acquired a bad

reputation for her rudeness and quarrelsome nature.

Case Study 2:

[Oct 21st, 1961, 1:50AM, Calcutta (88E22, 22N32), TZ=-5Hrs 30 Mts]

This Leo Asdt chart, Saranji explained, belonged to a renuncient [notice Ke's

close influence on the deb Asdt lord, the Su], who was a Saivite, and a Tantra

Master as well. In spiritual sadhana, Tantra means methods & techniques and in

this chart, Ma the lord of the IXH of spirituality and techniques, being placed

in the IIIH of profound interest, gave this Master the Tantra inclination, as

Saranji explained.

The Master's weak Sa & deb Ju are placed in the malefic VIH, thereby creating

odds against marital relationship, but paving the way for Karmayoga & Service.

Significantly, the deb III lord Ve, placed close to the MEP of the IIH of

status, brought him recognition and status as a painter, artist, writer &

orator. Among these multiple skills, we may note that painting, artwork, and

writing are IIIH significations, while oration is a IIH signification. From the

SA point of view, 3 benefic planets placed in the IIIH, and enjoying placement

benefit, add to the fruits of the IIIH. Me, the intellectual planet placed in

the IIIH and that too close to the MEP, makes him a writer and gives him

religious/spiritual inclinations as well.

Saranji's main point about this chart, was that the deb of the IIIH lord, made

the person lethargic, indecisive & prone to procrastination and delays in all

undertakings. At this point, in writing up these Proceedings, one Q occurs to

me, for which I seek the Professor's clarification.

Q: I have seen the charts of people, whom I have known well in life, and who

have been lethargic, and who had weak Sa & Ju. In this chart also, Sa, which

gives dependability, dutifulness, responsibility, dedication, diligence, and

love of meticulous details, is seen to be very weak. So too, is Ju, weak. Thus

are we to trace his indecisiveness and his procrastination, to the weakness of

Sa & Ju, in addition to the weakness of the IIIH lord, Ve, the weakness of the

significator of the VIH, namely Me?

Prof Choudhry: " Weak Jupiter and weak Saturn contributed significantly to her

being lethargic, indecisive & prone to procrastination and delays in all

undertakings. "

Case Study 3:

[Feb 16th, 1956, 4:50AM, Allahabad [81E51, 25N27], TZ= -5Hrs 30Mts]

In this Capricorn Asdt chart, Saranji pointed out that the highly successful

nature of the individual in his professional work, as well as his extensive

travels[and in addition considerable communication in the profession] - all came

from his strong exalted Ve, as the professional lord, placed in the IIIH.

Saranji added that Ve, so strong in the IIIH, also made him somewhat

ostentatious, though it also gave him a good aesthetic sense.

Ra's exact aspect on the Moon as well as the mutual affliction between the

malefic Su & Ju, were not elaborated upon, as Sri Saranji's main point in these

case studies, was only to bring out the different facets and importance of the

IIIH in the SA. In response to a query from Prof Choudhary Sri Saran confirmed

that these influences gave problems on the relationship front.

Case Study 4:

[Aug 27th 1956, 7:15AM, Calcutta (88E22, 22N32), TZ=-5Hrs 30Mts]

Sri Saranji maintained that this Virgo Asdt chart belonged to a member of a very

big business family of Calcutta. The strong Ve [family status & family wealth]

and the strong Su [comforts & luxuries and authority] speak for the family

wealth & status. Saranji's point was that all the failures of this individual in

his life, his broken relationship with his siblings, his lethargic temperament,

his lack of inability to solve his own problems - all of these were centered

around the multiple close afflictions to the MEP of the IIIH, and deb Ke's close

affliction to the Asdt & Asdt lord. Through this example he was illustrating the

converse SA Sutra that when the IIIH and the IIIH significator are afflicted

and/or weak, the desirable fruits of the IIIH, such as success, grace through

siblings, good vitality and courage will be found to be missing in life. [The

direct Sutra is what we are familiar with most of the time: namely that, " When

the IIIH is strong, its fruits, such as courage, vitality, success, Divine Grace

for team work and leadership therein, profound interest, good breathing system,

all become available in Life. " ] Another SA Sutra is that: " whenever the third

house MEP is under the close influence of the sixth lord one is involved in

conflicts and disputes " .[Prof Choudhry]

Case Study 5:

[Nov 11th, 1986, 10:11AM, Coimbatore (76E58,11N00), TZ=-5Hrs, 30 mts]

This is a Sagittarius Asdt chart, presented by Sri Saranji. The individual in

question was known to be lazy and procrastinating. Saranji attributes this to

the IIIH lord Sa, being weakly placed in the XIIH of losses.

However, here, not only is the IIIH lord Sa weak, even the significator of the

IIIH, namely Ma, on account of the exact-affliction from Ke, is rendered weak.

There is no self-empowerment either, in view of the weakness of the Asdt lord,

Ju. Even the two planets of vitality , both significator of the IH, namely Ma

and Su-are both weak. These seem the cumulative factors which made the

individual have very little élan vital [drive, vitality].

It was pointed out that as the Ju dasa was running in his childhood and in view

of Ju aspecting the IXH MEP, and significantly[also in view of Sa's third aspect

energizing the IIH MEP and the tenth aspect, energizing the IXH MEP], the boy

showed spiritual inclinations at a young age and was attracted to philosophy.

The placement of Sa, in the XIIH of renunciation and it's impact upon the IXH

resulted in his taking Deeksha and moving into a Renunciant's life. Sri Saranji,

was throwing light on another aspect of the weak IIIH, when the same, goes to

pave the way for a spiritual life, even though, he becomes bereft of élan

vital, due to this bad placement.

Case Study 6:

[A woman student-leader, June 26th, 1985, 5:43AM, Nagpur (79E06, 21N09),

TZ=-5Hrs, 30Mts]

In his last example to illustrate of the 'multiple manifestations and beauties

of the IIIH in the SA', Sri Saranji had a Gemini Asdt chart, which had the

powerful blessing of the strong Su, being conjunct with the Asdt MEP, and also

the significator of the IIIH, namely Ma, as the XIH lord, placed in the IH

[though suffering from the 64% weakness of combustion]. The placement of both

the Su, as the strong lord of the IIIH and Ma, another fiery planet, and the

significator of the IIIH, may be expected to make the lady have stupendous

motivation, and a fiery temperament.

In fact, Saranji described her as: 'Dynamic, a student leader, an orator [iIIH

signification], traveler [iIIH signification], and who has carved out her own

niche in the professional sphere [iIIH gives success, Su also gives success].She

is ambitious[Ma rules XIH, Su gives seeking], a no-nonsense woman, fully

energetic, energetic work is real life to her.'

Ve was of course exactly afflicted by the Ra-Ke axis. Ju was deb and placed in

the VIIIH. Me suffered from extreme infancy weakness in the IIH and the Mo was

well-placed in the IVH. But these configurations were not important in Sri

Saranji's illustration, as he had concentrated on studying how the IIIH, either

shapes the profession, or the personality, making them either valiant heroes, or

when it is weak and/or afflicted, failures and 'weaklings'!

At the end of Sri Saranji's talk, I had time to bring to a conclusion, my PPP,

which remained incomplete on the first day. After my talk was completed, Prof

Choudhry, gave a very useful summing up of the important SA Sutras.

SA Sutras given out by the Prof:

1. That " the IIIH is very important for success and fulfillment in all

spheres " .

2. That in the 'Final Fruit of the Monumental Legacy', mentioned by me in PART

II[as a result of the six Essential Ingredients being present in the birth

chart], as given by the generalized 'Accumulated Wealth Sutra'; the XH, would

also have to be considered, on par with the IIH. This would mean that the PD and

GSs of the 'Final Fruit' of the Monumental Legacy will now be given by the new

Sutra:

" Final Fruit of Monumental Legacy= IIH [and/or XH] -IVH-IXH-IH-Ve "

3. " Any controversial chart, in which there is a pronounced influence of the

VIH, when discussed in a Sabha, will also bring into manifestation, that very

inherent VIH quality of controversy. "

4. " Mere placement of the Su in the XH [and not necessarily near the MEP],

brings in courage into the sphere of the profession " .

5. This is not a Sutra, but a commentary only. Going more deeply into " the 5

wounds of Christ, which Padre Pio received as the Blessing called, the

Stigmata " , when an SA astrologer [probably Sri Pandeyji, but I am not sure, in

this case] suggested that the Saint could be a reincarnation of the Master

Jesus; Prof Choudhry had pointed to a similar situation of a so-called

reincarnation of Swami Vivekananda taking place, some years ago in New York,

with a horoscope also similar to the Swami Vivekananda's.

6. Also a commentary. That the affliction to the Su and the income lord in the

VIIIH in Padre Pio's chart, was quite good for the spiritual life, though it

denied income, for life in the Artha and Kama spheres.

By way of summing up, , to refresh the memories of the Conf

delegates, recapitulated many SA Sutras regarding the Hs & planetary

significations:

S1: " Placement of the planets in the IIH brings recognition. "

S2: " Placement of various lords in the XIH, shows various types of income and

earnings and gains " .

S3: " Placements in the IIIH creates motivations, and endeavours, inclusive of

the profession " .

S4: " For studying the level of Professional success, one must consider,

comprehensively, many Hs: the XH, the IIH, the VH, the XIH, and the IIIH. "

S5: " The placement of the IIIH lord and strongly at that, matters, for the

profession. "

S6: Taking an illustrative example of a diplomat's chart, who had secured a

diplomatic assignment, on the basis of her writing and authorship, Prof

Choudhry, pointed out that, even when the IIIH lord was debilitated on the MEP

of the IIH [Leo Asdt chart], the lady succeeded in securing a 'Sun-like'

professional status of a diplomat, because of the 'Sun-like nature of the IIIH

lord',[ in spite of the deb of the IIIH lord on the IIH MEP].

S7: " One must distinguish between the SA strength of a planet, and the influence

of a planet. Prof maintained that one FB planet can mutually influence another

FB planet, in which case, the fruits of both the benefic Hs are mutually aided

and enhanced, or when a FB planet influenced a H MEP, through its benefic

conjunction or aspect, that H which is thus influenced, prospers, because of the

influence of the conj /aspecting FB planet. "

S8: Referring to the Gemini Asdt chart of Prof Albert Einstein, Prof Choudhry

said, the mutual yoga between Me and Sa is beneficial for both Hs, ruled by

these two FB planets, even though both lords, Me and Sa were weak only. Me was

actually weak and also deb, and exactly afflicted too by Ke. Sa was closely

afflicted by Ke and combust. [This yoga had actually contributed to 'the

Nobility of Einstein's Soul' and also made him a Mystic during the Me and Sa

sub-periods.]Prof said, such yogas enhanced the energies and strengths of both

Hs and planets, to the extent that the two FB planets contributed, mutually.

Finally, mentioned the professional significations of the

planets in the SA system.

1.Prof Choudhry said, Me gives power for professions requiring the power of

analysis: such as in the field of computers and IT, legal professions, in those

of chartered accountants, dealing with accounts and audits, professions

requiring speculation such as trading and commerce, stock-trading, and in

professions requiring analytical perfection, as in research.

2.Regarding Ve, the Prof said, it aids in professions, which are based on design

and creativity; life-saving drugs; glamour and art work; and that even doctors

who have a favorable Ve[apart from a well-placed and strong Su] will prove to be

better physicians.

3.For the Su, Prof said, the Su indicates professions centered on: managerial

ability, administration of companies and organizations, Politics and political

work, Medical work, dealing with drugs, and physician's occupations.

4.Regarding the planet Ma, the Prof said, the suitable professions are those of

project management and erection [because these can be done only with stupendous

expenditures of energy and Ma is foremost the planet of energetic exertions and

executive action], heat-treatment of metals, professions centered on

land-development.

5. Touching on the Mo's professional significations, the Prof said, Mo, rules

the professions of money management and money lending, home-keeping, and public

relations, etc.

6. Taking the planet, Sa, the Professor said, Sa, rules large numbers of

workers, and that a strong Sa is usually found in the charts of industrialists.

He said, if the individual has an Aquarius Asdt chart, with a strong Sa and

strong Ma[strong IIIH], much can be accomplished, through their Saturnian work

forces.

7.Coming to Ju, the Prof said, Ju rules all those professions, where advisory

roles are involved. And that it also plays an important role in the management

of financial institutions, and banks, and in teaching professions as well.

By association of ideas, as 'collective wealth' figured in such financial

institutions, this brought him to dwell briefly on the VIIIH, which gives

Inheritance in the case of individuals, and the collective beliefs and 'cultural

heritage' in the charts of nations. The Prof was indirectly drawing attention to

the 'Essential Ingredient # 5', in the charts of World leaders, which

specifically pointed to such 'wealth'.

General Comments:

Talking of the discipline of Astrology, he mentioned that, even in the highly

respected field of medicine, what is prescribed today as a trust worthy

medicine[that is capable of providing immediate relief], is often withdrawn

after a few years, because some side effects come to be discovered; whereas

Astrology alone stands tall, unchanged, with a timeless quality. And that it is

for this very reason that the SA has come to be practiced in as many as 70

countries. Thus, he said, that Astrology is indeed, the highest discipline of

systematized knowledge-even better than the sciences, because it gives knowledge

of all the aspects of man's life, from birth till death.

And that, even where precession was concerned, it was very accurate, as each

degree corresponded to just 4 mts diff[in this connection, I may also mention

that, in the SA, the Prof considers, the precise moment of cutting off of the

umbilical cord, as the correct time of birth, as only after this, does the baby,

become an independent living organism of its own, without any dependence on the

mother.(Reproduced from a conversation with the Prof in the Restaurant, during

the evening meal)].

In this connection, he brought to our notice, that even one single minute

difference in the time of birth, would make a profound shift, in the planetary

influences, as in the case of Rasi-Sandhi births. Such striking differences in

the destinies, show up, in the charts of twins as well, even when there is a

small diff of only 3 mts in their times of birth, Prof Choudhry pointed out.

He also drew our attention to the importance of fixing the Asdt Sign correctly,

for otherwise, the astrologer cannot prescribe the Remedial Measures correctly.

Mentioning the case of one of the students interested in astrology, who had the

habit of bringing new people in distress to the Professor, whenever, he came

into contact with them; mentioned that to meet this endless

demand [!], he had devised an ascendant wise list of astral remedies, which

enabled the students to offer the correct Remedial Measures to the persons

seeking astral help. These anecdotes and incidents, made the Conf more

interesting and lighter, without diluting the serious tenor of the proceedings,

appreciably.

A Vedic Astrologer Receives Mahakaleshwar's Blessings in the Ancient City of

Ujjain:

I might mention here, as not out of place, a very curious 'miracle'[from my

legitimate perspective], which happened to Sri Roop Saranji, as far back as one

year, when he was stationed in Raja Vikramaditya's famous capital of Ujjain.

There, there is a renowned 'Mahakaleshwar Temple' of Lord Shiva, a very

ancient one, even mentioned in the Puranas. Here Shiva exists as a Jyotirlinga.

The astrologer Sri Roop Saranji narrated this to me, in the lobby (in the

presence of Prof Choudhry), after the Conf was over. It was in reply to the

question, as to how it came about that he 'discovered' the SA of Prof Choudhry?

Roop Saranji prayed in utter desperation to this God Shiva in Ujjain, for on

that day he had the unusual good fortune to gain access to the garbhagriha

[sanctum sanctorum] of the Temple. The prayer was short, for a few mts only, but

very deep and sincere. He fervently asked Mahakaleshwar to show him the way, as

to how best he may bring peace and truth to his clients, who had invested so

much of their faith in him. The prayer was possible on that day, only because of

his despondent condition. Two incidents happened in Ujjain in the immediate wake

of this prayer- which dramatically and irrevocably introduced him to the SA of

Prof Choudhry.

He was asked to astrologically advice the then Vikram University Vice

Chancellor's son [who was then deeply enmeshed in a romantic affair with a

certain girl of 'questionable character' [from the VC's point of view], and lo!

when he met this young man, to take him on, the young man told Saranji: " Yes, I

also know astrology and have been studying " and had a defiant tone. When

questioned further, as to what was the kind of astrology that he was using, pat

landed Prof Choudhry's introductory book on the SA on the table!

In a second incident, almost in quick succession, someone from his home town of

Vizag called, asking for a consultation and hearing that he was to be stationed

in Ujjain only, for the coming 15 to 20 days, said that as he was moving to

Delhi, he would pick up the books he wanted and come to see him. This gentleman

finally arrived, with the complete set of Prof Choudhry's SA writings (all the

books) from Sagar Publishers and after handing over the book bundle to him[!],

promptly left the premises, saying he will come again for the consultation.

However, that was the last he heard of this gentleman, for Sri Saranji never saw

him again in life! So, when I heard this narration[being very familiar with the

miracles of God], I declared that this was a veritable miracle Mahakaleshwar

[Kalapurusha or the God of Time or the God of Vedic Astrology]had wrought, for

answering the prayer of his beloved devotee Sri Roop Saran.

In the last PART IV [pertaining to the afternoon Session of April 12th ,] I

shall cover four more case studies that were discussed and also cover Prof's

concluding remarks.

April 22, 2009

Respected Sankara ji, Namaste.

Thanks a lot for sending the detailed notes of iipa SA Conference.

The Analysis are really interesting & educative.

Warm Regards.

Ajay.

--- On Tue, 21/4/09, SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA <sankara

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