Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Dear Professor ~ I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " Then again, same lesson situation3: " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. Thank you so much. blessings, Chamaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Dear : Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the twelfth house becomes weak? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. Thank you for your help with this. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of V K CHOUDHRY Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM Re: exalted malefic planets Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Respected Mr. David Hawthorne, Please allow me to add my inputs. For libra rising Mercury being MMP owns the MTH where it's exalted also,here the precedence of owning the MTH is more over the exaltation, so Mercury's closeness to MEP will not result in weakness of Self. Respected Professor please correct me if I am wrong. Regards Sachin On Apr 17, 2009, at 10:05 PM, " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: Dear : Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the twelfth house becomes weak? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. Thank you for your help with this. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of V K CHOUDHRY Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM Re: exalted malefic planets Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hello my dear David, In the case of Mercury for Libra ascendant, this is an exception. Mercury does not become weak. However, this Mercury makes sixth house weak. Best wishes. - David Hawthorne Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05 PM RE: Re: exalted malefic planets Dear : Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the twelfth house becomes weak? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. Thank you for your help with this. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of V K CHOUDHRY Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM Re: exalted malefic planets Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 My dear and David, Just for clarity. The exception would apply to all cases of planets in their Moolatrikona signs (MTS) when in the MEP of dusthana houses: Planet MTS Asc/H12 Asc/H8 Asc/H6 Sun Leo Virgo Capricorn Pisces Moon Cancer Leo Sagittarius Aquarius Mercury Virgo Libra Aquarius Aries Venus Libra Scorpio Pisces Taurus Mars Aries Taurus Virgo Scorpio Jupiter Sagittarius Capricorn Taurus Cancer Saturn Aquarius Pisces Cancer Virgo In other words, the exception applies to 25% of the placements on the MEP of dusthana houses. So, there is an adverse effect of a FM planet on the MEP of the house of its placement, even when exalted, such that it becomes weak. However, there is no comparable effect from the placement of a FB planet in its MTS to increase its strength when in the MEP of a house. That said, we would expect the influence to be felt more strongly than if it were away from the MEP. Is that the correct interpretation? Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Friday, April 17, 2009 11:57:56 PM Re: Re: exalted malefic planets Hello my dear David, In the case of Mercury for Libra ascendant, this is an exception. Mercury does not become weak. However, this Mercury makes sixth house weak. Best wishes. - David Hawthorne Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05 PM RE: Re: exalted malefic planets Dear : Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the twelfth house becomes weak? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. Thank you for your help with this. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of V K CHOUDHRY Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM Re: exalted malefic planets Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hello my dear Thor, I was replying to a specific query. I hope my reply answered the question of the member who brought up the point. Each time it is difficult to add the various dimensions connected with the query. Thanks for your efforts. Best wishes. - Cosmologer Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:09 PM Re: Re: exalted malefic planets My dear and David, Just for clarity. The exception would apply to all cases of planets in their Moolatrikona signs (MTS) when in the MEP of dusthana houses: Planet MTS Asc/H12 Asc/H8 Asc/H6 Sun Leo Virgo Capricorn Pisces Moon Cancer Leo Sagittarius Aquarius Mercury Virgo Libra Aquarius Aries Venus Libra Scorpio Pisces Taurus Mars Aries Taurus Virgo Scorpio Jupiter Sagittarius Capricorn Taurus Cancer Saturn Aquarius Pisces Cancer Virgo In other words, the exception applies to 25% of the placements on the MEP of dusthana houses. So, there is an adverse effect of a FM planet on the MEP of the house of its placement, even when exalted, such that it becomes weak. However, there is no comparable effect from the placement of a FB planet in its MTS to increase its strength when in the MEP of a house. That said, we would expect the influence to be felt more strongly than if it were away from the MEP. Is that the correct interpretation? Best wishes, Thor ________________________________ SIHA <vkchoudhry Friday, April 17, 2009 11:57:56 PM Re: Re: exalted malefic planets Hello my dear David, In the case of Mercury for Libra ascendant, this is an exception. Mercury does not become weak. However, this Mercury makes sixth house weak. Best wishes. - David Hawthorne Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05 PM RE: Re: exalted malefic planets Dear : Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the twelfth house becomes weak? Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. Thank you for your help with this. David Hawthorne On Behalf Of V K CHOUDHRY Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM Re: exalted malefic planets Hello Chamaya, When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its placement, it becomes weak. Best wishes. , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace wrote: > > Dear Professor ~ > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, under lesson 12 situation 2: > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > Then again, same lesson situation3: > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is under its own exact affliction. " > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > Thank you so much. > blessings, > Chamaya > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hello my dear , No problem. Thanks for the explanation given. Best wishes, Thor , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > I was replying to a specific query. I hope my reply answered the question of the member who brought up the point. > > Each time it is difficult to add the various dimensions connected with the query. Thanks for your efforts. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > Cosmologer > > Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:09 PM > Re: Re: exalted malefic planets > > > > > > My dear and David, > > Just for clarity. The exception would apply to all cases of planets in their Moolatrikona signs (MTS) when in the MEP of dusthana houses: > > Planet in MTS: Asc/H12, Asc/H8, Asc/H6 > Sun in Leo: Virgo, Capricorn, Pisces > Moon in Cancer: Leo, Sagittarius, Aquarius > Mercury in Virgo: Libra, Aquarius, Aries > Venus in Libra: Scorpio, Pisces, Taurus > Mars in Aries: Taurus, Virgo, Scorpio > Jupiter in Sagittarius: Capricorn, Taurus, Cancer > Saturn in Aquarius: Pisces, Cancer, Virgo > > In other words, the exception applies to 25% of the placements on the MEP of dusthana houses. > > So, there is an adverse effect of a FM planet on the MEP of the house of its placement, even when exalted (except for Mercury and Virgo), such that it becomes weak. However, there is no comparable effect from the placement of a FB planet in its MTS to increase its strength when in the MEP of a house. That said, we would expect the influence to be felt more strongly than if it were away from the MEP. > > Is that the correct interpretation? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Friday, April 17, 2009 11:57:56 PM > Re: Re: exalted malefic planets > > Hello my dear David, > > In the case of Mercury for Libra ascendant, this is an exception. Mercury does not become weak. However, this Mercury makes sixth house weak. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > David Hawthorne > > Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05 PM > RE: Re: exalted malefic planets > > Dear : > > Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the > twelfth house becomes weak? > > Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not > harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. > > Thank you for your help with this. > > David Hawthorne > > > > On Behalf > Of V K CHOUDHRY > Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM > > Re: exalted malefic planets > > Hello Chamaya, > > When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its > placement, it becomes weak. > > Best wishes. > > > > , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace@> wrote: > > > > Dear Professor ~ > > > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it > in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, > under lesson 12 situation 2: > > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their > general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of > being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > > Then again, same lesson situation3: > > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun > becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is > under its own exact affliction. " > > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the > MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in > the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting > overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > > Thank you so much. > > blessings, > > Chamaya > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Dear Professor, Thank you for the response ! I was so busy checking it out in charts that I delayed my thanks until now. I appreciate how quickly you respond to our questions. blessings Chamaya , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote: > > > Hello my dear Thor, > > I was replying to a specific query. I hope my reply answered the question of the member who brought up the point. > > Each time it is difficult to add the various dimensions connected with the query. Thanks for your efforts. > > Best wishes. > > > > > - > Cosmologer > > Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:09 PM > Re: Re: exalted malefic planets > > > > > > My dear and David, > > Just for clarity. The exception would apply to all cases of planets in their Moolatrikona signs (MTS) when in the MEP of dusthana houses: > > Planet MTS Asc/H12 Asc/H8 Asc/H6 > Sun Leo Virgo Capricorn Pisces > Moon Cancer Leo Sagittarius Aquarius > Mercury Virgo Libra Aquarius Aries > Venus Libra Scorpio Pisces Taurus > Mars Aries Taurus Virgo Scorpio > Jupiter Sagittarius Capricorn Taurus Cancer > Saturn Aquarius Pisces Cancer Virgo > > In other words, the exception applies to 25% of the placements on the MEP of dusthana houses. > > So, there is an adverse effect of a FM planet on the MEP of the house of its placement, even when exalted, such that it becomes weak. However, there is no comparable effect from the placement of a FB planet in its MTS to increase its strength when in the MEP of a house. That said, we would expect the influence to be felt more strongly than if it were away from the MEP. > > Is that the correct interpretation? > > Best wishes, > > Thor > > ________________________________ > SIHA <vkchoudhry > > Friday, April 17, 2009 11:57:56 PM > Re: Re: exalted malefic planets > > Hello my dear David, > > In the case of Mercury for Libra ascendant, this is an exception. Mercury does not become weak. However, this Mercury makes sixth house weak. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > David Hawthorne > > Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05 PM > RE: Re: exalted malefic planets > > Dear : > > Does that mean for Libra rising sign, Mercury exalted on the MEP in the > twelfth house becomes weak? > > Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you previously said that a FM does not > harm its own MT sign, even if it is on the MEP. > > Thank you for your help with this. > > David Hawthorne > > > > On Behalf > Of V K CHOUDHRY > Friday, April 17, 2009 11:10 AM > > Re: exalted malefic planets > > Hello Chamaya, > > When an exalted malefic is conjunct with the MEP of the house of its > placement, it becomes weak. > > Best wishes. > > > > , " chamayagrace " <chamayagrace@> wrote: > > > > Dear Professor ~ > > > > I have just come across this on your website and can not recall reading it > in the books. It is in reference to exalted malefic planets. On the site, > under lesson 12 situation 2: > > " In spite of being exalted, Jupiter fails to fully protect/promote their > general and particular significations as it becomes weak due to the fact of > being exactly on the most effective point of its house of placement. " > > Then again, same lesson situation3: > > " The Sun is just on the most effective point of the fourth house. The Sun > becomes weak as the most effective point of the house of its location is > under its own exact affliction. " > > Am I interpreting correctly that if the exalted malefic is conjunct the > MEP it becomes weak? Please forgive my ignorance if I have missed this in > the books. I have tried to search out more info on this but it is getting > overwhelming so I am asking you directly for clarity. > > Thank you so much. > > blessings, > > Chamaya > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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