Barack OBAMA

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Sanjay P,Barack Obama is considered an intellectual, idealistic individual whose motto is 'change'.We would expect this to be a prominent feature of his Arudha Lagna. With the 13:06 birth time we find Ketu in Kumbha in AL. This fits with the accusations that he is elitist and out of touch, and also describes the headless fanaticism of 'obamamania'. Mars and Rahu in the 7th from AL - the dwara - shows the call of the younger generation for dramatic change to the current direction - the unpopular war in Iraq (Vijaya yoga) is what is opening the door for him as his main political rivals have either supported or still support

this. Increasing energy independence (Mars in Leo) is also one of his penchants. These grahas are also influencing the 3rd from AL. Badhakesh from AL is ruled by Venus in Gemini - the polarizing female hopeful Hillary Clinton.For 13:06 the Lord of Libra Lagna goes to the 9th house and directs his intelligence to what he would ultimately study at University - international relations.Uccha Chandra, the 10th lord (work) in the the 8th house (disease) shows his pledge to reform health care.His style and pizazz, his cool demeanour all speak of Libra Lagna - surely not Makara.Would be interested to hear your thoughts on this.Respectfully,MichalSanjay Prabhakaran

<sanjaychettiarsohamsa Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 11:35:22 PM Barack Obama|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, I was thinking about Barack Obama's Chart after the recent news event about his quiting the church[1]. Relating this with his previous incidents about his father I felt that there has to be a strong indications on his 9th house for this.Lois Rodden database gives a time of 19:11 from a birth certificate[ 3]. If I use this chart, Then I get Capricorn, rising with a Chara kaaraka replacement between Matri kaaraka Moon and Pitri kaaraka Mercury. Mercury is the 9th lord, conjoined Pitri Sthira kaaraka Sun. Sun's natural age is

21-22 for fructification ("A few month's after Barack's 21st birthday, he received a call from an aunt in Nairobi informing him of his father's death."[3]), So this falls on dot with Charaka karaka replacement. Sun being the replacing Sthira kaaraka for Chara Pitri kaaraka Mercury gave bad results due to 8th house ownership.Now as per Narayana Dasa, His second cycle Narayana dasa is starting again, Showing the same symptoms as seen in his childhood ("When Barack was two, his father returned to Africa, and the young boy lived in Hawaii with his mom and grandparents."). This time it repeated itself on his spiritual guide ("Mr. Obama said he and his wife, Michelle, wrote a letter on Friday to

the church's pastor, the Rev. Otis Moss, explaining that their

estrangement from Trinity took root in controversial remarks by the

church's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who once was Mr. Obama's spiritual guide"[1])Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa): Maha Dasas: Cn: 1961-08-04 (19:11:00) - 1964-08-04 (13:39:00) Ge: 1964-08-04 (13:39:00) - 1965-08-04 (19:47:02) Ta: 1965-08-04 (19:47:02) - 1966-08-05 (1:53:26)

Ar: 1966-08-05 (1:53:26) - 1970-08-05 (2:32:30) Pi: 1970-08-05 (2:32:30) - 1971-08-05 (8:39:08) Aq: 1971-08-05 (8:39:08) - 1972-08-04 (14:52:27) Cp: 1972-08-04 (14:52:27) - 1984-08-04 (16:39:12) Sg: 1984-08-04 (16:39:12) - 1984-08-04 (16:39:12)

Sc: 1984-08-04 (16:39:12) - 1993-08-05 (0:01:15) Li: 1993-08-05 (0:01:15) - 2001-08-05 (1:09:30) Vi: 2001-08-05 (1:09:30) - 2003-08-05 (13:25:04) Le: 2003-08-05 (13:25:04) - 2004-08-04 (19:43:05) Cn: 2004-08-04 (19:43:05) - 2013-08-05 (3:03:19)

Ge: 2013-08-05 (3:03:19) - 2024-08-04 (22:36:39)I would request learned jyotisha's to give their views on this.Warm RegardsSanjay P[1]Following Months of Criticism, Obama Quits His Churchhttp://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 06/01/us/ politics/ 01obama.html[2]http://sanjayprabha karan.blogspot. com/2006/ 01/planetary- maturation- years.html[3]http://www.astrodat abank.com/ nm/ObamaBarack. htm On May 15, 2008 at UAC Denver, Joni Patry announced that a client of hers knows someone who works on Obama's campaign and who reports that Obama's time

of birth is 7:11 PM, from birth certificate. As this data cannot be confirmed or verified, we must keep the Rodden Rating of DD; however it is an interesting piece of news and does seem more reliable than the other times we have collected and posted to date. Previously, various times of birth have been circulated or posted. A time of 1:06 PM was provided by Fran McEvoy who told PT she couldn't remember who gave it to her. She said that the person reportedly obtained the time from Obama and wished to remain anonymous. McEvoy adamantly denied that she heard it from Obama at a "shout-out" in NH as reported in the Andrew Mangino article in the NY Observer online of July 24, 2007. PT has received e-mails or seen postings listing 9:51 AM, 10:02 AM, 1:15 PM, 2:10 AM, 6:10 AM, "1-3 AM," and "Virgo rising," but these times have either been acknowledged to be speculation, rectification or otherwise not traceable to an original or reliable source.

Obama, Barack 1911Natal Chart August 4, 1961Time: 19:11:00Time Zone: 10:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 157 W 51' 30", 21 N 18' 25" Honolulu, Hawaii, USAAltitude: 18.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Plava - AshadhaTithi: Krishna Dasami (Mo) (77.51% left)Vedic

Weekday: Friday (Ve)Nakshatra: Krittika (Su) (0.56% left)Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.37% left)Karana: Vanija (Ve) (55.03% left)Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Cn)Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Sc)Kaala

Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Sun)Sunrise: 6:06:02Sunset: 19:08:32Janma Ghatis: 32.7073Ayanamsa: 23-19-14.30Sidereal Time: 15:33:38Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 20 Cp 58' 05.61" Srav 4 Cp CnSun - BK 19 Cn 13' 35.38" Asre 1 Cn SgMoon -

MK 9 Ta 55' 29.10" Krit 4 Ta PiMars - AK 29 Le 15' 38.65" UPha 1 Le SgMercury - PiK 9 Cn 00' 34.44" Push 2 Cn ViJupiter ® - GK 7 Cp 32' 18.19" USha 4 Cp PiVenus - PK 8 Ge 28' 03.65" Ardr 1 Ge SgSaturn ® - DK 2 Cp 00' 33.80" USha 2 Cp CpRahu - AmK 4 Le 34' 28.83" Magh 2 Le TaKetu 4 Aq 34' 28.83"

Dhan 4 Aq ScMaandi 12 Ta 52' 39.43" Rohi 1 Ta ArGulika 2 Ta 01' 58.82" Krit 2 Ta CpBhava Lagna 4 Aq 56' 53.25" Dhan 4 Aq ScHora Lagna 21 Le 11' 30.72" PPha 3 Le LiGhati Lagna 9 Ar 55' 23.15" Aswi 3 Ar GeVighati Lagna 13 Ge 34' 45.29" Ardr 3 Ge AqVarnada Lagna 20 Aq 58' 05.61" PBha 1 Aq AqSree Lagna 18 Cp 56' 11.20" Srav 3 Cp GePranapada Lagna 14 Ge 06' 04.90" Ardr 3 Ge AqIndu Lagna 9 Cp 55' 29.10" USha 4 Cp PiDhooma 2 Sg 33' 35.38"

Mool 1 Sg ArVyatipata 27 Cn 26' 24.62" Asre 4 Cn PiParivesha 27 Cp 26' 24.62" Dhan 2 Cp ViIndra Chapa 2 Ge 33' 35.38" Mrig 3 Ge LiUpaketu 19 Ge 13' 35.38" Ardr 4 Ge PiKaala 21 Ge 32' 37.74" Puna 1 Ge ArMrityu 2 Aq 22' 04.46" Dhan 3 Aq LiArtha Prahara 28 Aq 26' 40.75" PBha

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[Guest guest]

Hello dear list members, Early life and career of Barack Obama at Wikipedia shows that he is born in Capricorn ascendant. I took note of the following events in particular:

 

DEATH FATHER 1982, MOTHER 1995.

DIVORCE : PARENTS AT THE AGE OF 2 YEARS. AUTHORED: MEMOIRES 1995.

Used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years.

June 1985 to May 1988 worked as director of the Developing Community Projects.

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.

1989, where he met his wife, Michelle.

Marriage 1992.

The couple's first daughter, Malia Ann, was born in 1998; their second Natasha 2001.

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).

In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm. 1995 - announced his candidacy for a seat in the Illinois state Senate.

2008 candidate for Presidency.

 

Best wishes.

 

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

 

Thank you for sharing your assessement of the true rising sign for

Barack Obama being Capricorn.

 

On June 13, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15333) you made the following

statement with regard to a 24° 43' Capricorn ascendant for Obama,

which derives from the 7:24 PM time reported in a copy of his birth

certificate. His official web site has since made a statement this

birth certificate is true:

barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert:

 

" Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his

winning the election as President of USA. "

 

On June 21, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15369) you added the following

statement, likely based on the same rising degree:

 

" The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good

status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The

tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement

involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a

times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in

gaining the top position. "

 

Would the same conclusion prevail if his Capricorn ascendant degree

were earlier or later?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> Early life and career of Barack Obama at Wikipedia shows that he is

born in Capricorn ascendant. I took note of the following events in

particular:

>

> DEATH FATHER 1982, MOTHER 1995.

> DIVORCE : PARENTS AT THE AGE OF 2 YEARS. AUTHORED: MEMOIRES 1995.

> Used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years.

> June 1985 to May 1988 worked as director of the Developing

Community Projects.

> Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. Obama's election in

February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review

was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.

> 1989, where he met his wife, Michelle.

> Marriage 1992.

> The couple's first daughter, Malia Ann, was born in 1998; their

second Natasha 2001.

> Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law

School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992-1996),

and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996-2004).

> In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-

attorney law firm. 1995 - announced his candidacy for a seat in the

Illinois state Senate.

> 2008 candidate for Presidency.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

 

Re: Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published

 

 

Hello my dear Thor,

 

Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his

winning the election as President of USA.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

Message #15369 of 15499 < Prev | Next >

 

Hello dear list members,

 

This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The

professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt

chart are

ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural

significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlike

planets in this case.

 

The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status

but

when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord,

Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the

person in

debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good

mileage in

that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position.

 

The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains and

legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of

the

most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the

Sun,

the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sun

further.

 

Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction

of the

functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in

extreme old

age.

 

It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercury

besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his

ascending

degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though

the

Sun and the Moon are supportive.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

-

cosmologer

SAMVA

Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:11 AM

Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published

 

 

My dear ,

 

Would you have time to comment on the birth chart for Barack Obama,

assuming the correct birth time is close to the 7:24PM stated on the

birth certificate, giving around 24° 43' Capricorn rising?

 

Interestingly, the selection of a birth time for him creates a choice

with regard to two distinct influences in the chart:

 

a) NEGATIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is a couple of minutes

earlier than stated in the birth certificate, this gives e.g. 24° 08'

Capricorn rising. The MMP SUN at 19° 13' Capricorn will then be just

within the 5° orb of the 7th house MEP. This could result in some

adverse influences in his life in coming years

 

b) POSITIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is as stated in the birth

certificate or even slightly later, his 4th lord MARS at 29° 15' is

then conjunct his 8th house MEP and aspecting also his 11th house of

ideals, plans and wishes, 2nd house of wealth and status, 3rd house

of initiative, authorship and voice. A later degree could then

explain his increased status, success with books and giving a clear

message to the public regarding change, hope, etc.

 

Finally, assuming you find a likely ascendant degree for him in late

Capricorn, does that affect your assessment of his chances to be

elected President of the USA?

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

Barack Obama

Aug 4, 1961 7:24 PM +10:00 HST

Honolulu, HI:USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/MO/JU

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 24:43 Cap Dhanishtha Ma

Sun 19:13 Can +00:57:28 FM Aslesha Me

Moon 10:01 Tau +12:41:10 WK Rohini Mo

Mars 29:15 Leo +00:37:24 WK U.Phalguni Su

Merc 09:00 Can +02:00:15 CM Pushya Sa

JuptR 07:32 Cap -00:07:27 FM U.Shadya Su

Ven 08:28 Gem +01:08:02 WK Ardra Ra

Sat R 02:00 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya Su

Rahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:13 FM Magha Ke

Ketu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:13 FM Dhanishtha Ma

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 267 beats

Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:08 AM

Tithi: Krishna Dashami

Yoga Pt: 2:34 Sg Yogi:Ke AviYogi:Ra Dup Yogi: Ju

Dagha Rashis: Leo Sco

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Good Placement, Moon Not Bright 3%,

Mars Bad Placement, In Old Age: 85%, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor,

Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated,

Venus Bad Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 60%,

Rahu Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

[Guest guest]

Hello dear Mr. Thor, Winning the election seems to be difficult.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

-

cosmologer

SAMVA

Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:55 PM

Re: Barack Obama

 

 

Dear ,Thank you for sharing your assessement of the true rising sign for Barack Obama being Capricorn.On June 13, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15333) you made the following statement with regard to a 24° 43' Capricorn ascendant for Obama, which derives from the 7:24 PM time reported in a copy of his birth certificate. His official web site has since made a statement this birth certificate is true: barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert:"Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning the election as President of USA."On June 21, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15369) you added the following statement, likely based on the same rising degree:"The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position."Would the same conclusion prevail if his Capricorn ascendant degree were earlier or later?Best wishes,ThorSAMVA , "SIHA" <vkchoudhry wrote:>> Hello dear list members,> > Early life and career of Barack Obama at Wikipedia shows that he is born in Capricorn ascendant. I took note of the following events in particular:> > DEATH FATHER 1982, MOTHER 1995. > DIVORCE : PARENTS AT THE AGE OF 2 YEARS. AUTHORED: MEMOIRES 1995. > Used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years. > June 1985 to May 1988 worked as director of the Developing Community Projects. > Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles. > 1989, where he met his wife, Michelle. > Marriage 1992. > The couple's first daughter, Malia Ann, was born in 1998; their second Natasha 2001. > Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992-1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996-2004).> In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm. 1995 - announced his candidacy for a seat in the Illinois state Senate. > 2008 candidate for Presidency. > > Best wishes.> > >Re: Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published Hello my dear Thor,Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning the election as President of USA.Best wishes.Message #15369 of 15499 < Prev | Next > Hello dear list members,This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. Theprofessional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt chart areruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the naturalsignificator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlikeplanets in this case.The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status butwhen weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord,Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person indebates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage inthat. But again this does not help in gaining the top position.The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains andlegacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of themost effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the Sun,the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sunfurther.Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction of thefunctional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in extreme oldage.It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercurybesides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his ascendingdegree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though theSun and the Moon are supportive.Best wishes.- cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:11 AM Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate publishedMy dear ,Would you have time to comment on the birth chart for Barack Obama, assuming the correct birth time is close to the 7:24PM stated on the birth certificate, giving around 24° 43' Capricorn rising? Interestingly, the selection of a birth time for him creates a choice with regard to two distinct influences in the chart: a) NEGATIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is a couple of minutes earlier than stated in the birth certificate, this gives e.g. 24° 08' Capricorn rising. The MMP SUN at 19° 13' Capricorn will then be just within the 5° orb of the 7th house MEP. This could result in some adverse influences in his life in coming yearsb) POSITIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is as stated in the birth certificate or even slightly later, his 4th lord MARS at 29° 15' is then conjunct his 8th house MEP and aspecting also his 11th house of ideals, plans and wishes, 2nd house of wealth and status, 3rd house of initiative, authorship and voice. A later degree could then explain his increased status, success with books and giving a clear message to the public regarding change, hope, etc.Finally, assuming you find a likely ascendant degree for him in late Capricorn, does that affect your assessment of his chances to be elected President of the USA? Best wishes,ThorBarack ObamaAug 4, 1961 7:24 PM +10:00 HSTHonolulu, HI:USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/MO/JUPlanet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord================================================Asc 24:43 Cap Dhanishtha MaSun 19:13 Can +00:57:28 FM Aslesha MeMoon 10:01 Tau +12:41:10 WK Rohini MoMars 29:15 Leo +00:37:24 WK U.Phalguni SuMerc 09:00 Can +02:00:15 CM Pushya SaJuptR 07:32 Cap -00:07:27 FM U.Shadya SuVen 08:28 Gem +01:08:02 WK Ardra RaSat R 02:00 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya SuRahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:13 FM Magha KeKetu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:13 FM Dhanishtha MaTrue Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 267 beatsDay: Friday Sunrise: 6:08 AMTithi: Krishna DashamiYoga Pt: 2:34 Sg Yogi:Ke AviYogi:Ra Dup Yogi: JuDagha Rashis: Leo ScoSytems Approach Analysis========================Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Moon Good Placement, Moon Not Bright 3%, Mars Bad Placement, In Old Age: 85%, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated, Venus Bad Placement, Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 60%, Rahu Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

 

Thank you for the clarification.

 

I just note that your statement...

 

" The tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement

involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a

times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in

gaining the top position. "

 

.... is quite insightful, as usual. In fact, the principled stance of

Senator Obama from 2003 against the US led invasion of Iraq has

indeed involved him in controversy that has given him very " good

milage " in the campaign in 2007, when the situation in Iraq had gone

from one disaster to another and the anti-war movement was at its

peak (as seen also in the bad placement of 4th lord VENUS in the

SAMVA USA chart (Perpetual Union) - which suggests communal

disharmony associated with US involvement in wars, especially those

not marked by certainty with regard to their moral righteousness).

With the situation in Iraq improving by the day, perhaps the

political benefit Obama has drawn from this position will now begin

to diminish in the advent of the election.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear Mr. Thor,

>

> Winning the election seems to be difficult.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Saturday, August 02, 2008 1:55 PM

> Re: Barack Obama

>

>

> Dear ,

>

> Thank you for sharing your assessement of the true rising sign

for

> Barack Obama being Capricorn.

>

> On June 13, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15333) you made the following

> statement with regard to a 24° 43' Capricorn ascendant for Obama,

> which derives from the 7:24 PM time reported in a copy of his

birth

> certificate. His official web site has since made a statement

this

> birth certificate is true:

> barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert:

>

> " Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his

> winning the election as President of USA. "

>

> On June 21, 2008 (SAMVA message # 15369) you added the following

> statement, likely based on the same rising degree:

>

> " The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good

> status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position.

The

> tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement

> involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a

> times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not

help in

> gaining the top position. "

>

> Would the same conclusion prevail if his Capricorn ascendant

degree

> were earlier or later?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> SAMVA , " SIHA " <vkchoudhry@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> >

> > Early life and career of Barack Obama at Wikipedia shows that

he is

> born in Capricorn ascendant. I took note of the following events

in

> particular:

> >

> > DEATH FATHER 1982, MOTHER 1995.

> > DIVORCE : PARENTS AT THE AGE OF 2 YEARS. AUTHORED: MEMOIRES

1995.

> > Used alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years.

> > June 1985 to May 1988 worked as director of the Developing

> Community Projects.

> > Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. Obama's election

in

> February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law

Review

> was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed

profiles.

> > 1989, where he met his wife, Michelle.

> > Marriage 1992.

> > The couple's first daughter, Malia Ann, was born in 1998; their

> second Natasha 2001.

> > Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago

Law

> School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992-

1996),

> and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996-2004).

> > In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-

> attorney law firm. 1995 - announced his candidacy for a seat in

the

> Illinois state Senate.

> > 2008 candidate for Presidency.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> >

> >

>

> Re: Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published

>

> Hello my dear Thor,

>

> Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his

> winning the election as President of USA.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

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>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The

> professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt

> chart are

> ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural

> significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as

Sunlike

> planets in this case.

>

> The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good

status

> but

> when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth

lord,

> Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the

> person in

> debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good

> mileage in

> that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position.

>

> The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains

and

> legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb

of

> the

> most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of

the

> Sun,

> the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps

the Sun

> further.

>

> Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close

affliction

> of the

> functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in

> extreme old

> age.

>

> It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of

Mercury

> besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his

> ascending

> degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position

though

> the

> Sun and the Moon are supportive.

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

>

>

> -

> cosmologer

> SAMVA

> Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:11 AM

> Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published

>

> My dear ,

>

> Would you have time to comment on the birth chart for Barack

Obama,

> assuming the correct birth time is close to the 7:24PM stated on

the

> birth certificate, giving around 24° 43' Capricorn rising?

>

> Interestingly, the selection of a birth time for him creates a

choice

> with regard to two distinct influences in the chart:

>

> a) NEGATIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is a couple of minutes

> earlier than stated in the birth certificate, this gives e.g. 24°

08'

> Capricorn rising. The MMP SUN at 19° 13' Capricorn will then be

just

> within the 5° orb of the 7th house MEP. This could result in some

> adverse influences in his life in coming years

>

> b) POSITIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is as stated in the

birth

> certificate or even slightly later, his 4th lord MARS at 29° 15'

is

> then conjunct his 8th house MEP and aspecting also his 11th house

of

> ideals, plans and wishes, 2nd house of wealth and status, 3rd

house

> of initiative, authorship and voice. A later degree could then

> explain his increased status, success with books and giving a

clear

> message to the public regarding change, hope, etc.

>

> Finally, assuming you find a likely ascendant degree for him in

late

> Capricorn, does that affect your assessment of his chances to be

> elected President of the USA?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Barack Obama

> Aug 4, 1961 7:24 PM +10:00 HST

> Honolulu, HI:USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18

> Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/MO/JU

>

> Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

> ================================================

> Asc 24:43 Cap Dhanishtha Ma

> Sun 19:13 Can +00:57:28 FM Aslesha Me

> Moon 10:01 Tau +12:41:10 WK Rohini Mo

> Mars 29:15 Leo +00:37:24 WK U.Phalguni Su

> Merc 09:00 Can +02:00:15 CM Pushya Sa

> JuptR 07:32 Cap -00:07:27 FM U.Shadya Su

> Ven 08:28 Gem +01:08:02 WK Ardra Ra

> Sat R 02:00 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya Su

> Rahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:13 FM Magha Ke

> Ketu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:13 FM Dhanishtha Ma

>

> True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 267 beats

> Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:08 AM

> Tithi: Krishna Dashami

> Yoga Pt: 2:34 Sg Yogi:Ke AviYogi:Ra Dup Yogi: Ju

> Dagha Rashis: Leo Sco

>

> Sytems Approach Analysis

> ========================

> Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

> Moon Good Placement, Moon Not Bright 3%,

> Mars Bad Placement, In Old Age: 85%, Weak Dispositor,

> Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor,

> Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated,

> Venus Bad Placement,

> Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 60%,

> Rahu Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor,

> Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Professor, Thor and list members,

 

In OBAMA's 24*45' Capricorn rising chart, Jupiter is transiting 1H mep and the

President is facing lots of economic problems, and his public esteem is

decreasing. Do you think that this transit shows this chart is relevant ?

 

Best wishes,

Jolastro

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Jolastro,

 

I have no confidence in this birth chart. So, I am not studying this chart.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Astro Zem

Thursday, March 19, 2009 7:22 PM

Barack OBAMA

 

 

 

Hello Professor, Thor and list members,

 

In OBAMA's 24*45' Capricorn rising chart, Jupiter is transiting 1H mep and the

President is facing lots of economic problems, and his public esteem is

decreasing. Do you think that this transit shows this chart is relevant ?

 

Best wishes,

Jolastro