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Dear List Members,

Krushna very kindly rectified a chart for me. When the chart came through

there was a virus on the one he sent to the list ( I am not sure of this) so

he has asked me to forward his rectification to the list. I believe I did

this earlier but if you haven't got it let me know and I will post it on the

list again. At the moment Krushna's computer is very badly affected by

viruses so that he will be some time before he is on line again.

 

Peter

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Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking –

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita –

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see…:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

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Dear Krushna

and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make

the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

Thanks Krushna, I’m a bit rusty on this system but have attempted

a bit of research here on Donna’s rectification, using only 1 event – her father’s

death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your

arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell

me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far…

 

Aries lagna:

 

Lords of D and E are eager to bring

results.

Venus has the highest points in Donna’s 4th,

which is death for her father (8th from 4th.).

Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and

Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E)

Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and

Nakshatra of Sun.

 

Venus, planet with the highest point value

for House 4, father’s death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter –

Lord of E.

Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it

qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of

highest point value.

# 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative

of both heart problems and blood circulation.

Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is

lord of E – eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in

this case?)

 

In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna’s

teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of

certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses.

 

Aries lagna – Saturn sub:

 

Saturn lords the 10th and 11th

for Aries

During the sub period of the lord of the 10th,

results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters.

During the sub=periods of the lord of the

11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th

house matters.

 

According to ashtakavarga teachings and

documents from Krushna’s lessons:

 

 

1st lists “Death”

5th lists “disease”

2nd lists

“Family/Relatives”

6th lists

“disease/sickness”

 

 

I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

For the 3rd – results are linked

to the 6th and 10th house matters

For the the 10th, results are

linked to the 1st and 5th house matters

 

 

6th lists

“disease/sickness”

10th lists nothing relative

to death of father or illness

1st lists “Death”

5th lists “disease”

 

 

So there is supporting evidence to link the

Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for

Aquarius lagna J.)

For the Mars sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords.

 

Now to arrive at the date of death, we have

to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father’s

death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and

constellation of a powerful significator.

 

Aries: Shows transit lord of house A,

Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of

Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and

Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in

ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of

the bhukti lord – so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is

established.

 

Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A,

Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in

the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points

while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points.

 

Is this a consideration when both are not

in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed

up – or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps

if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall

into place better for one versus the other. J

Thanks Krushna…I’ll get up to par here eventually…

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking –

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita –

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see…:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/

<http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Good to have you back as well, Sandy.

 

Sanjay

 

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" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

" Astrologyandtimingevents (AT) (DOT) Com "

 

Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:05 AM

Rectification

 

 

Dear Krushna and List,

 

Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have

been. :-)

 

I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of

things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my

prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back

and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump

right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as

possible.

 

Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching

the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are

doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-)..Long time

no see.:-)

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sandy,

 

I think your analysis is too involved.

 

You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can

give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

 

If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn.

Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot

give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not

aspect A B or C.

 

Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I

will learn.

 

L & L

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Krushna and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of

research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's

death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in

support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and

possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

 

Aries lagna:

 

Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father

(8th from 4th.).

Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E)

Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

 

Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is

in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely

candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value.

# 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood

circulation.

Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results

(death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

 

In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that

during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to

be linked up with other houses.

 

Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

 

Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st

and 5th house matters.

During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd

and 6th house matters.

 

According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons:

 

1. 1st lists " Death "

2. 5th lists " disease "

3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

 

I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters

 

1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

3. 1st lists " Death "

4. 5th lists " disease "

 

So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her

father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars

sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when

considering the significance of the sub lords.

 

Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of

the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have

taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

significator.

 

Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign

of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on

8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and

3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in

the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and

bhukti lord is established.

 

Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the

sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is

in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points.

 

Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact,

Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an

analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place

better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here

eventually.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see.:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sandy,

Your reasoning is correct, My comments below your writeup.

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far…

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART ATTACK IS RELATED TO 4TH

LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH

LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN.

IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH

LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE FOR

HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN

8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN

RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE

REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES

KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF

JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU LAGNA.

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna – Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE

CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS WITH

27 POINTS.

 

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY AND

IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS.

TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up to

par here

> eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN THE

SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF MARS

DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN.

FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT

ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD.(

MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE

PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT.

ARISES LAGNA DO NOT DENY

HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK:

HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH

HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE

MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS MAIN

AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH.

CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK

2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO BLOOD

AND HEART PROBLEM.

3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI

IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER.

4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND

SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT.

5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS AND

ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS)

 

NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE.

THANKS

KRUSHNA

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking –

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita –

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see…:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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DEAR SANDY

IN MY ASNSWER I HAVE INDICATED 4TH HOUSE FOR 8TH OF 9TH

HOUSE. 4TH HOUSE IN A CHART ALSO INDICATE THE HEART PROBLEM, SO THERE

SHOULD NOT BE ANY CONFUSION. IF WE SEE THE 4TH LORD FOR FATHER WHICH

IS 12TH IS ALSO HAVING EFFECT OF SUN.

KRUSHNA

 

, krushanain@h... wrote:

> Dear Sandy,

> Your reasoning is correct, My comments below your writeup.

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

> bit of

> > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her

> father's

> > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

> sides - in

> > support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold

up

> > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may

be

> > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

> support, and

> > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far…

> >

> > Aries lagna:

> >

> > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for

her

> father

> > (8th from 4th.).

> > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

> (lord of E)

> > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

> >

> > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

> death, is

> > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E.

> > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most

> likely

> > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

> value.

> > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart

problems

> and blood

> > circulation.

> > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to

> bring results

> > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

> NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART ATTACK IS RELATED TO

4TH

> LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH

> LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN.

> IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH

> LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE

FOR

> HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN

> 8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN

> RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE

> REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES

> KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF

> JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU LAGNA.

> >

> > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

> facts that

> > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

> certain to

> > be linked up with other houses.

> >

> > Aries lagna – Saturn sub:

> >

> > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

> to the 1st

> > and 5th house matters.

> > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are

linked

> to to 2nd

> > and 6th house matters.

> >

> > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

> lessons:

> >

> > 1. 1st lists " Death "

> > 2. 5th lists " disease "

> > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> >

> > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> > For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

> matters

> >

> > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> > 3. 1st lists " Death "

> > 4. 5th lists " disease "

> >

> > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

> death of her

> > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

> the Mars

> > sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to

> family/relatives when

> > considering the significance of the sub lords.

> >

> > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the

transit

> lord of

> > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

> you have

> > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a

powerful

> > significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE

> CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS

WITH

> 27 POINTS.

>

> >

> > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

> the sign

> > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the

12th

> house on

> > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

> 2nd and

> > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

> Mars, is in

> > the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the

> mahadasha and

> > bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY

AND

> IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS.

> TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE.

> >

> > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

> Capricorn, in the

> > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

> Saturn is

> > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

> points.

> >

> > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions

for

> > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in

> fact,

> > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

> work on an

> > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

> place

> > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up

to

> par here

> > eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN

THE

> SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF

MARS

> DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN.

> FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT

> ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD.

(

> MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE

> PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT.

> ARISES LAGNA DO NOT DENY

> HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK:

> HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH

> HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE

> MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS

MAIN

> AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH.

> CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK

> 2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO

BLOOD

> AND HEART PROBLEM.

> 3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI

> IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER.

> 4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND

> SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT.

> 5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS

AND

> ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS)

>

> NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE.

> THANKS

> KRUSHNA

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushna and List,

> > >

> > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking –

> > which I have

> > > been. :-)

> > >

> > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

> swing

> > here of

> > > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry

for

> > my

> > > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> > will be back

> > > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit

> before

> > I jump

> > > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

> soon

> > as

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now

completed

> > teaching

> > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And

Margarita –

> > you are

> > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> > )..Long time

> > > no see…:-)

> > >

> > > ~Namaste~

> > > Sandy

> > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear

Krushna,

 

Thanks

very much Krushna…I appreciate your feedback. I will print this out and go over

your comments, and then study this chart further, applying these principles to

her other major events as well…It will be a good ‘refresher course’ for me, to

sharpen up on some of these skills you have so very kindly taught us…J…Thanks again.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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krushanain

[krushanain]

Monday, October 01, 2001

4:43 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Rectification

 

Dear Sandy,

Your reasoning is correct, My comments below

your writeup.

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far…

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART

ATTACK IS RELATED TO 4TH

LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH

LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN.

IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR

AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH

LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE FOR

HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN

8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN

RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE

REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES

KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF

JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU

LAGNA.

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna – Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists

" Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists

" disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists

" disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death

of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE

CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS WITH

27 POINTS.

 

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY AND

IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS.

TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up to

par here

> eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN THE

SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF MARS

DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN.

FOR AQUARIUS

LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT

ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD.(

MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE

PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT.

ARISES LAGNA

DO NOT DENY

HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK:

HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH

HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE

MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS MAIN

AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH.

CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK

2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO BLOOD

AND HEART PROBLEM.

3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI

IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER.

4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND

SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT.

5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS AND

ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS)

 

NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE.

THANKS

KRUSHNA

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/

<http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking –

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry

for

> my

> > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see…:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/

< http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Respected Krushnaji,

 

I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this

subject.

 

I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain

the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened

in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which

is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn

give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is

aspecting one of A B or C.

 

Your clarification would be appreciated.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

-

" Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001

 

Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

Re: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sandy,

 

I think your analysis is too involved.

 

You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can

give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

 

If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn.

Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot

give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not

aspect A B or C.

 

Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I

will learn.

 

L & L

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Krushna and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of

research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's

death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in

support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and

possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

 

Aries lagna:

 

Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father

(8th from 4th.).

Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E)

Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

 

Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is

in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely

candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value.

# 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood

circulation.

Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results

(death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

 

In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that

during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to

be linked up with other houses.

 

Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

 

Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st

and 5th house matters.

During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd

and 6th house matters.

 

According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons:

 

1. 1st lists " Death "

2. 5th lists " disease "

3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

 

I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters

 

1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

3. 1st lists " Death "

4. 5th lists " disease "

 

So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her

father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars

sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when

considering the significance of the sub lords.

 

Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of

the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have

taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

significator.

 

Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign

of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on

8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and

3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in

the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and

bhukti lord is established.

 

Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the

sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is

in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points.

 

Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact,

Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an

analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place

better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here

eventually.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see.:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Krushna -

 

 

The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

 

I think Sanjay's right here. If you use the time of either 8:27am or 8:29am for the ARIES lagna, the sub comes out to Saturn, not Jupiter. Please check again.

 

Donna

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Dear Sanjay,

The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed

correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

krushna

 

, " Sanjay Jaggia "

<sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy

on this

> subject.

>

> I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also

partly explain

> the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father

happened

> in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th

house which

> is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How

can Saturn

> give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if

it is

> aspecting one of A B or C.

>

> Your clarification would be appreciated.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

> -

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

> Re: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Respected Krushnaji,

 

I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10

Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of

Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

 

-

<krushanain

 

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM

Fw: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed

correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

krushna

 

, " Sanjay Jaggia "

<sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy

on this

> subject.

>

> I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also

partly explain

> the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father

happened

> in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th

house which

> is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How

can Saturn

> give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if

it is

> aspecting one of A B or C.

>

> Your clarification would be appreciated.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

> -

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

> Re: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear

Sanjay and Donna,

 

The event

did fall in a Ma/Sa with Aries lagna – So Saturn was sub-lord…You are correct.

 

It is my understanding

that any planet that aspects Houses A, B, or C (unless they are lords of D or

E) cannot give results, but a samdharmi CAN come forth and give results. Therefore

Saturn cannot give results but Saturn’s samdharmi can.

 

Venus

scores highest points on worksheet on Aries chart, and therefore is most likely

to bring about results.

Venus is

in the sign of Saturn and nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E

Venus does

not aspect Houses A, B, or C so it qualifies in the worksheet as the most

likely to bring about the results.

Ve/Sa are

natural 4/10 house lords from one another, so Venus can be samdharmi to Saturn.

 

There was

an addendum added to Chapter 5 called More Clarifications. I think that the way

it was worded may have been confusing. If you have that addendum, on page 2 on

the bottom, Krushna wrote :

 

“We know that the planet that aspects a

significator house/s, do not give results in it’s sub-period. Any samdharmi

grah will come forward to give result. Please note that this law is not

applicable to lords of D and E houses.”

 

My

understanding of this: This means that lords of D and E CAN give effects in

their sub-periods, NOT that a samdharmi graha cannot come forward and give

results for them. Lord of D and E can brig forth results EVEN if they aspect

significator houses. So samdharmi is applicable.

 

Does this

help or make matters worse? J

 

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

-----Original

Message-----

Sanjay Jaggia

[sanjaygg2001]

Tuesday, October 02, 2001

5:38 AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: Rectification

 

Respected Krushnaji,

 

I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10

Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of

Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

 

-

<krushanain

 

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM

Fw: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of

E. Please feed

correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

krushna

 

, " Sanjay Jaggia "

<sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy

on this

> subject.

>

> I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also

partly explain

> the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father

happened

> in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th

house which

> is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How

can Saturn

> give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if

it is

> aspecting one of A B or C.

>

> Your clarification would be appreciated.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

> -

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

> Re: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group

will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/

<http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry

for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita

-

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/

< http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear

Sanjay,

 

Dear Sandy,

 

I think your analysis is too involved.

 

You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can

give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

 

We both agree

on this…But the planet with the highest point value is also a contender for

consideration along with the lords of D and E – that is my understanding

anyway. In other words, I don’t think it is solely dependent on the lords of D

and E – although they are eager to bring about the results. I think you also

have to consider the strength of the points of the chart in question…Not just

the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the basic principles.

 

If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn.

Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot

give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not

aspect A B or C.

 

This is where we differ in our understanding…It is my

understanding (but I could be wrong too J) that Saturn cannot “directly” give the result when acting

alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also took it to

be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus) that CAN give

the result via substitution for Venus – being that Venus has the highest amount

of points and Saturn is the sub lord…but I could also be incorrect.

 

I also understood that results are given by the planet with the

highest amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to

samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D and

E who are also anxious to bring about results.

 

 

Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case,

I

will learn.

 

Hmm…guess we should let Krushna sort this one out…J…because I may be wrong also, and I admit I AM rusty! J

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

 

L & L

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Krushna and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make

the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of

research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's

death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides

- in

support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and

possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

 

Aries lagna:

 

Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father

(8th from 4th.).

Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E)

Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

 

Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is

in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely

candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value.

# 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and

blood

circulation.

Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring

results

(death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

 

In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that

during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain

to

be linked up with other houses.

 

Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

 

Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the

1st

and 5th house matters.

During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to

2nd

and 6th house matters.

 

According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons:

 

1. 1st lists " Death "

2. 5th lists " disease "

3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

 

I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters

 

1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

3. 1st lists " Death "

4. 5th lists " disease "

 

So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of

her

father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars

sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when

considering the significance of the sub lords.

 

Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of

the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have

taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

significator.

 

Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign

of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house

on

8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and

3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in

the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and

bhukti lord is established.

 

Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in

the

sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is

in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points.

 

Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact,

Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an

analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place

better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here

eventually.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see.:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <

http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sanjay, and Donna,

Yes you are correct, long ago I rectified Donna's chart, at

that time I chacked for all the lagna. At that time I given time 7:27

am. So it should match the death of her father. But when seeing other

things, I changed it. That copy of the chart was in my record. I

refered the same. Sorry for that.

If we take 8:27 time then at the time of event it will be

Saturn sub, that will not match. I gone with the discussion that

there is confusion between her arises or Aquarius lagna. So I

compared the two charts. I have not seen the time of the charts.

Some results I have given her, at that time, after confirming

her aquarius asc. After some days, she gave me more events of her

life. Those I checked and rectified her birth time as 05:28 am.

This time again when discussion about her birth time arises,

and there was difference of opinions about arises and Aqu. lagna, I

refered those charts from my records. While giving reply to some

other questions I refered 07:27 chart.

Once again I am Sorry for that.

krushna.

 

 

, " Sanjay Jaggia "

<sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as

22-51-10

> Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under

sub of

> Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

>

> -

> <krushanain@h...>

>

> Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM

> Fw: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

> The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed

> correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

> krushna

>

> , " Sanjay Jaggia "

> <sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> > Respected Krushnaji,

> >

> > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy

> on this

> > subject.

> >

> > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also

> partly explain

> > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father

> happened

> > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th

> house which

> > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How

> can Saturn

> > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if

> it is

> > aspecting one of A B or C.

> >

> > Your clarification would be appreciated.

> >

> > Kind regards

> > Sanjay

> > -

> > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001>

> >

> > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

> > Re: Re: Rectification

> >

> >

> > Dear Sandy,

> >

> > I think your analysis is too involved.

> >

> > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

> or C can

> > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

> >

> > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

> Saturn.

> > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

> cannot

> > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which

does

> not

> > aspect A B or C.

> >

> > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

> any case, I

> > will learn.

> >

> > L & L

> > Sanjay

> >

> > -

> > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> >

> > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> > RE: Re: Rectification

> >

> >

> > Dear Krushna and Group,

> >

> > Dear Sandy,

> > Your presence in the group will make the things more

> pleasant.

> > Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> > Thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted

a

> bit of

> > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

> father's

> > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

> sides - in

> > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold

up

> > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may

be

> > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

> support, and

> > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

> >

> > Aries lagna:

> >

> > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for

her

> father

> > (8th from 4th.).

> > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

> (lord of E)

> > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

> >

> > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

> death, is

> > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

> likely

> > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

> value.

> > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

> and blood

> > circulation.

> > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

> bring results

> > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

> >

> > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

> facts that

> > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

> certain to

> > be linked up with other houses.

> >

> > Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

> >

> > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

> to the 1st

> > and 5th house matters.

> > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

> to to 2nd

> > and 6th house matters.

> >

> > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

> lessons:

> >

> > 1. 1st lists " Death "

> > 2. 5th lists " disease "

> > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> >

> > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

> matters

> >

> > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> > 3. 1st lists " Death "

> > 4. 5th lists " disease "

> >

> > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

> death of her

> > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

> the Mars

> > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

> family/relatives when

> > considering the significance of the sub lords.

> >

> > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the

transit

> lord of

> > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

> you have

> > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a

powerful

> > significator.

> >

> > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

> the sign

> > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the

12th

> house on

> > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

> 2nd and

> > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

> Mars, is in

> > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

> mahadasha and

> > bhukti lord is established.

> >

> > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

> Capricorn, in the

> > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

> Saturn is

> > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

> points.

> >

> > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions

for

> > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

> fact,

> > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

> work on an

> > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

> place

> > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

> par here

> > eventually.

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushna and List,

> > >

> > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> > which I have

> > > been. :-)

> > >

> > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

> swing

> > here of

> > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry

for

> > my

> > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> > will be back

> > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

> before

> > I jump

> > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

> soon

> > as

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now

completed

> > teaching

> > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And

Margarita -

> > you are

> > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> > )..Long time

> > > no see.:-)

> > >

> > > ~Namaste~

> > > Sandy

> > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Sandy and Sanjay,

One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful

significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the result

until it is lord of A or B.

Please also note that this law is not applicable to

samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as

arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are

having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give the

results.

In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it

can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it

can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should

also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation.

Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but Venus

is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn.

Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified.

 

krushna

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> We both agree on this…But the planet with the highest point value

is also a

> contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E – that

is my

> understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely

dependent

> on the lords of D and E – although they are eager to bring about the

> results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the

points of the

> chart in question…Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is

part of the

> basic principles.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> This is where we differ in our understanding…It is my understanding

(but I

> could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the

result when

> acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However,

I also

> took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet

(Venus)

> that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus – being that

Venus has

> the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord…but I could

also be

> incorrect.

>

> I also understood that results are given by the planet with the

highest

> amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration

given to

> samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the

lords of D

> and E who are also anxious to bring about results.

>

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> Hmm…guess we should let Krushna sort this one out…:-)…because I may

be wrong

> also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Dear Sanjay and Donna,

 

> Ve/Sa are natural 4/10 house lords from one another,

> so Venus can be

> samdharmi to Saturn.

 

Besides that, the tajaka was Leo ascendant, and Mrityu

saham was in the 4th house (8th from the 9th)

 

Sorry to butt in :)

 

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Dear Sandy,

 

The way I read it is like this.

 

A samdharmi can give the result for the most powerful significator if the

most powerful significator aspects A B or C. The period of the samdharmi

must be running. Other wise it does not count.

 

If we use the logic of any samdharmi giving the result in any other planet's

period, then we have a big soup. I don't think that would be consistent with

the system.

 

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:35 PM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay and Donna,

 

The event did fall in a Ma/Sa with Aries lagna - So Saturn was sub-lord.You

are correct.

 

It is my understanding that any planet that aspects Houses A, B, or C

(unless they are lords of D or E) cannot give results, but a samdharmi CAN

come forth and give results. Therefore Saturn cannot give results but Saturn

's samdharmi can.

 

Venus scores highest points on worksheet on Aries chart, and therefore is

most likely to bring about results.

Venus is in the sign of Saturn and nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E

Venus does not aspect Houses A, B, or C so it qualifies in the worksheet as

the most likely to bring about the results.

Ve/Sa are natural 4/10 house lords from one another, so Venus can be

samdharmi to Saturn.

 

There was an addendum added to Chapter 5 called More Clarifications. I think

that the way it was worded may have been confusing. If you have that

addendum, on page 2 on the bottom, Krushna wrote :

 

" We know that the planet that aspects a significator house/s, do not give

results in it's sub-period. Any samdharmi grah will come forward to give

result. Please note that this law is not applicable to lords of D and E

houses. "

 

My understanding of this: This means that lords of D and E CAN give effects

in their sub-periods, NOT that a samdharmi graha cannot come forward and

give results for them. Lord of D and E can brig forth results EVEN if they

aspect significator houses. So samdharmi is applicable.

 

Does this help or make matters worse? :-)

 

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

Sanjay Jaggia [sanjaygg2001]

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:38 AM

 

Re: Re: Rectification

 

Respected Krushnaji,

 

I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10

Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of

Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

 

-

<krushanain

 

Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM

Fw: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed

correct ayanansha, 22:08:08.

krushna

 

, " Sanjay Jaggia "

<sanjaygg2001> wrote:

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy

on this

> subject.

>

> I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also

partly explain

> the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father

happened

> in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th

house which

> is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How

can Saturn

> give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if

it is

> aspecting one of A B or C.

>

> Your clarification would be appreciated.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

> -

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM

> Re: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Respected Krushnaji,

 

Please see my comments in capitals below.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

 

-

<krushanain

 

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:45 AM

Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sandy and Sanjay,

One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful

significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the result

until it is lord of A or B.

 

- I SUPPOSE YOU MEAN D OR E. IS THAT CORRECT?

 

Please also note that this law is not applicable to

samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as

arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are

having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give the

results.

In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it

can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it

can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should

also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation.

Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but Venus

is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn.

Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified.

 

WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THIS IS THE FOLLOWING:

 

1. A PLANET ASPECTING A B OR C CAN GIVE THE RESULT EVEN IF IT IS NOT THE

LORD OF D OR E PROVIDED IT IS SAMDHARMI TO A POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR. WOULD

THIS NOT EXPLODE THE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES? THE MAIN THING I LIKE ABOUT

THIS SYSTEM WAS THAT IT GAVE YOU VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND CERTAIN PERIODS

COULD BE RULED OUT WITH CERTAINTY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS TO

THIS.

 

2. WE HAD SOME RULES FOR FINDING SAMDHARMI PLANETS WHICH WERE VERY CLEAR.

NOW IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A JUDGEMENTAL ISSUE ON DECIDING THE SAMDHARMI

RELATIONSHIP. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN THE CURRENT CHART IS THAT SATURN,

THOUGH NATURAL SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT CAN ACT AS SUCH IN

THIS PARTICULAR CHART. DO WE EXTEND THIS LOGIC TO OTHER SAMDHARMI RELATIONS

AS WELL? FOR EXAMPLE, TWO PLANETS MIGHT BE IN THE NAVAMSHA OF THE SAME

PLANET (WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM SAMDHARMI.) HOWEVER, THEY MIGHT BE 1-7 IN THE

RASHI CHART (I HAVE NOT CHEECKED IF THIS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR NOT, I AM

JUST LOOKING FOR THE PRINCIPLE.) WOULD THIS MEAN THAT THESE ARE NOT

SAMDHARMI? DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE RULES BY WHICH WE

JUDGE SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIPS?

krushna

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I think your analysis is too involved.

>

> You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

or C can

> give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

>

> We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value

is also a

> contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that

is my

> understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely

dependent

> on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about the

> results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the

points of the

> chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is

part of the

> basic principles.

>

> If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

Saturn.

> Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

cannot

> give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does

not

> aspect A B or C.

>

> This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my understanding

(but I

> could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the

result when

> acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However,

I also

> took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet

(Venus)

> that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that

Venus has

> the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I could

also be

> incorrect.

>

> I also understood that results are given by the planet with the

highest

> amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration

given to

> samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the

lords of D

> and E who are also anxious to bring about results.

>

>

> Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

any case, I

> will learn.

>

> Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I may

be wrong

> also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

> L & L

> Sanjay

>

> -

> " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

>

> Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> RE: Re: Rectification

>

>

> Dear Krushna and Group,

>

> Dear Sandy,

> Your presence in the group will make the things more

pleasant.

> Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> Thanks

> krushna

>

>

> Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a

bit of

> research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

father's

> death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

sides - in

> support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

> significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

> misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

support, and

> possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

>

> Aries lagna:

>

> Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her

father

> (8th from 4th.).

> Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

(lord of E)

> Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

>

> Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

death, is

> in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

likely

> candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

value.

> # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

and blood

> circulation.

> Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

bring results

> (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

>

> In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

facts that

> during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

certain to

> be linked up with other houses.

>

> Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

>

> Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

to the 1st

> and 5th house matters.

> During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

to to 2nd

> and 6th house matters.

>

> According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

lessons:

>

> 1. 1st lists " Death "

> 2. 5th lists " disease "

> 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

>

> I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

matters

>

> 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> 3. 1st lists " Death "

> 4. 5th lists " disease "

>

> So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

death of her

> father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

the Mars

> sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

family/relatives when

> considering the significance of the sub lords.

>

> Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit

lord of

> the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

you have

> taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

> significator.

>

> Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

the sign

> of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th

house on

> 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

2nd and

> 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

Mars, is in

> the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

mahadasha and

> bhukti lord is established.

>

> Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

Capricorn, in the

> sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

Saturn is

> in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

points.

>

> Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

> strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

fact,

> Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

work on an

> analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

place

> better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

par here

> eventually.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Krushna and List,

> >

> > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> which I have

> > been. :-)

> >

> > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

swing

> here of

> > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

> my

> > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> will be back

> > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

before

> I jump

> > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

soon

> as

> > possible.

> >

> > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

> teaching

> > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

> you are

> > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> )..Long time

> > no see.:-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sandy,

 

It seems that you are right according to the clarification given by

Krushnaji. This raises other problems according to my thinking but then that

is another issue.

 

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:16 AM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Dear Sandy,

 

I think your analysis is too involved.

 

You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can

give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

 

We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value is also a

contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that is my

understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely dependent

on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about the

results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the points of the

chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the

basic principles.

 

If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn.

Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot

give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not

aspect A B or C.

 

This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my understanding (but I

could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the result when

acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also

took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus)

that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that Venus has

the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I could also be

incorrect.

 

I also understood that results are given by the planet with the highest

amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to

samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D

and E who are also anxious to bring about results.

 

 

Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I

will learn.

 

Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I may be wrong

also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-)

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

L & L

Sanjay

 

-

" Sandy Crowther " <sandy

 

Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

RE: Re: Rectification

 

 

Dear Krushna and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant.

Your knowedge will also be helpful.

Thanks

krushna

 

 

Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of

research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's

death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in

support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up

significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be

misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and

possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

 

Aries lagna:

 

Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father

(8th from 4th.).

Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E)

Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

 

Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is

in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely

candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value.

# 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood

circulation.

Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results

(death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

 

In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that

during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to

be linked up with other houses.

 

Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

 

Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st

and 5th house matters.

During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd

and 6th house matters.

 

According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons:

 

1. 1st lists " Death "

2. 5th lists " disease "

3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

 

I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters

 

1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

3. 1st lists " Death "

4. 5th lists " disease "

 

So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her

father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars

sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when

considering the significance of the sub lords.

 

Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of

the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have

taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful

significator.

 

Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign

of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on

8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and

3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in

the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and

bhukti lord is established.

 

Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the

sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is

in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points.

 

Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for

strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact,

Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an

analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place

better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here

eventually.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

, " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

wrote:

> Dear Krushna and List,

>

> Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

which I have

> been. :-)

>

> I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing

here of

> things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for

my

> prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

will be back

> and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before

I jump

> right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon

as

> possible.

>

> Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed

teaching

> the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita -

you are

> doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

)..Long time

> no see.:-)

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

> http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sanjay,

My answer on your comments, see below

 

 

> Respected Krushnaji,

>

> Please see my comments in capitals below.

>

> Kind regards

> Sanjay

>

> -

>

> Dear Sandy and Sanjay,

> One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful

> significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the

result

> until it is lord of A or B.

>

> - I SUPPOSE YOU MEAN D OR E. IS THAT CORRECT? Sorry this is typo

in hurry. it should be D and E.

>

> Please also note that this law is not applicable to

> samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as

> arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are

> having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give

the

> results.

> In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it

> can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it

> can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should

> also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation.

> Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but

Venus

> is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn.

> Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified.

>

> WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THIS IS THE FOLLOWING:

>

> 1. A PLANET ASPECTING A B OR C CAN GIVE THE RESULT EVEN IF IT IS

NOT THE

> LORD OF D OR E PROVIDED IT IS SAMDHARMI TO A POWERFUL

SIGNIFICATOR. WOULD

> THIS NOT EXPLODE THE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES? THE MAIN THING I LIKE

ABOUT

> THIS SYSTEM WAS THAT IT GAVE YOU VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND CERTAIN

PERIODS

> COULD BE RULED OUT WITH CERTAINTY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE OTHER

ASPECTS TO

> THIS. this is not away from the rules. When two planets which are

samdharmi if they are in 4:10 relation ship, will act powerfully. if

1:7 or 6:8 will not come forward, until and unless they have some

specific reason.

>

> 2. WE HAD SOME RULES FOR FINDING SAMDHARMI PLANETS WHICH WERE VERY

CLEAR.

> NOW IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A JUDGEMENTAL ISSUE ON DECIDING THE

SAMDHARMI

> RELATIONSHIP. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN THE CURRENT CHART IS THAT

SATURN,

> THOUGH NATURAL SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT CAN ACT AS

SUCH IN

> THIS PARTICULAR CHART. Please note that in this perticular case

they are situated 1:7 place. If you remember, Similar question you

have asked some time back regarding Mercury and Jupiter, why they are

not treated as samdharmi. answer was because in other set of houses

they have 1:7 relationship. Similarly in this case the venus and

Saturn are samdharmi, but in the chart they are situated in 1:7th

place. The sight of venus is not favoring Saturn. In such

relationship if both planets are with less points, they would have

worked as samdharmi. DO WE EXTEND THIS LOGIC TO OTHER SAMDHARMI

RELATIONS

> AS WELL? FOR EXAMPLE, TWO PLANETS MIGHT BE IN THE NAVAMSHA OF THE

SAME

> PLANET (WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM SAMDHARMI.) HOWEVER, THEY MIGHT BE 1-

7 IN THE

> RASHI CHART here again we should check the points of each planets.

(I HAVE NOT CHEECKED IF THIS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR NOT, I AM

> JUST LOOKING FOR THE PRINCIPLE.) WOULD THIS MEAN THAT THESE ARE NOT

> SAMDHARMI? DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE RULES BY

WHICH WE

> JUDGE SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIPS?

Please note that we always find the quality of the planets.

If any planet is samdharmi to other planet, and if the so called

samdharmi planet is lord of 12th house from B, it will not act.

Similar check should be made.

krushna

>

>

>

>

> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Dear Sandy,

> >

> > I think your analysis is too involved.

> >

> > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B

> or C can

> > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E.

> >

> > We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value

> is also a

> > contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that

> is my

> > understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely

> dependent

> > on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about

the

> > results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the

> points of the

> > chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is

> part of the

> > basic principles.

> >

> > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of

> Saturn.

> > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it

> cannot

> > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which

does

> not

> > aspect A B or C.

> >

> > This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my

understanding

> (but I

> > could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the

> result when

> > acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house.

However,

> I also

> > took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet

> (Venus)

> > that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that

> Venus has

> > the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I

could

> also be

> > incorrect.

> >

> > I also understood that results are given by the planet with the

> highest

> > amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration

> given to

> > samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the

> lords of D

> > and E who are also anxious to bring about results.

> >

> >

> > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In

> any case, I

> > will learn.

> >

> > Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I

may

> be wrong

> > also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-)

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> > L & L

> > Sanjay

> >

> > -

> > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...>

> >

> > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM

> > RE: Re: Rectification

> >

> >

> > Dear Krushna and Group,

> >

> > Dear Sandy,

> > Your presence in the group will make the things more

> pleasant.

> > Your knowedge will also be helpful.

> > Thanks

> > krushna

> >

> >

> > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted

a

> bit of

> > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her

> father's

> > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both

> sides - in

> > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold

up

> > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may

be

> > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing

> support, and

> > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far.

> >

> > Aries lagna:

> >

> > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results.

> > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for

her

> father

> > (8th from 4th.).

> > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter

> (lord of E)

> > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun.

> >

> > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's

> death, is

> > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E.

> > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most

> likely

> > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point

> value.

> > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems

> and blood

> > circulation.

> > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to

> bring results

> > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?)

> >

> > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the

> facts that

> > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are

> certain to

> > be linked up with other houses.

> >

> > Aries lagna - Saturn sub:

> >

> > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries

> > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked

> to the 1st

> > and 5th house matters.

> > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked

> to to 2nd

> > and 6th house matters.

> >

> > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's

> lessons:

> >

> > 1. 1st lists " Death "

> > 2. 5th lists " disease "

> > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives "

> > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> >

> > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna:

> > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius

> > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters

> > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house

> matters

> >

> > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness "

> > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness

> > 3. 1st lists " Death "

> > 4. 5th lists " disease "

> >

> > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the

> death of her

> > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For

> the Mars

> > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to

> family/relatives when

> > considering the significance of the sub lords.

> >

> > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the

transit

> lord of

> > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as

> you have

> > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a

powerful

> > significator.

> >

> > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in

> the sign

> > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the

12th

> house on

> > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions

> 2nd and

> > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord,

> Mars, is in

> > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the

> mahadasha and

> > bhukti lord is established.

> >

> > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46

> Capricorn, in the

> > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97.

> Saturn is

> > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15

> points.

> >

> > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions

for

> > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in

> fact,

> > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I

> work on an

> > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into

> place

> > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to

> par here

> > eventually.

> >

> > ~Namaste~

> > Sandy

> > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sandy Crowther "

<sandy@t...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Krushna and List,

> > >

> > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking -

> > which I have

> > > been. :-)

> > >

> > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the

> swing

> > here of

> > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry

for

> > my

> > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and

> > will be back

> > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit

> before

> > I jump

> > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as

> soon

> > as

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now

completed

> > teaching

> > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And

Margarita -

> > you are

> > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-

> > )..Long time

> > > no see.:-)

> > >

> > > ~Namaste~

> > > Sandy

> > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear

Sanjay, Donna, Marguerita, Krushna, and Group,

 

Dear Sandy,

 

It seems that you are right according to the clarification given by

Krushnaji. This raises other problems according to my thinking but then

that

is another issue.

 

Sanjay

 

While I may have understood correctly the samdharmi concept as

far as being able to “represent” another strong significator planet - even when

the samdharmi planet aspects (or has sight on) House A, B, or C (because it is “representing”

another planet and is not a “direct” involvement but rather a “substituting”

planet) I also fully agree with you and the others that we definitely DO need

further refinements on samdharmi. While I am quite clear on some points, I

remain a bit sketchy on others… just as you do…so a refinement ruling on

samdharmis will certainly benefit all of us who are trying to understand the

concept of samdharmi clearly, and all it entails – as it is clearly a very

vital factor in accurate assessments of ashtakavarga delineations, and

therefore may be futile on our part to attempt delineation without fully

comprehending the samdharmi principles in a more complex chart.

 

So I propose that we get these clarifications in order PRIOR to

making any further attempts on ashtakavarga analyses of ANY charts – so that we

don’t all end up confusing ourselves and each other even further. J Then, when we have a complete understanding of sandharmi

planets and all the rules and regulations pertaining to samdharmi – perhaps we then

move on to an exercise where we can see how efficiently we have understood

samdharmi…

Just my humble opinion…

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

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> While I may have understood correctly the samdharmi concept as far

as being

> able to " represent " another strong significator planet - even when

the

> samdharmi planet aspects (or has sight on) House A, B, or C

(because it is

> " representing " another planet and is not a " direct " involvement but

rather a

> " substituting " planet) I also fully agree with you and the others

that we

> definitely DO need further refinements on samdharmi

 

I already send the details about samdharmi from a mail from

post via web. It did not reach. Again I will send, after retyping,

and will send as attachment.

krushna

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Hari Om Tat Sat

Dear Jaan

Does he have six fingers or toes by any chance?

With best wishes

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

" Jaan911 " <jaan911

" Varahamihira " <varahamihira >

Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:46 PM

[Hare Rama Krishna] rectification

 

 

can anyone help with this chart rectification?

 

he says he was born between 4 30 and 5 30 GMT, unfortunately the lagna

changes from pisces to aries during this time.

 

he was born with a club foot (twisted) and had to have corrective surgery

soon after. he still walks with a very slight limp. even with this slight

disability he is very good at sports especially raquet ones.

 

the native is a surgeon right now. he is very intelligent and has a charming

personality.

he has many good friends though he is somewhat of a playboy when it comes to

women.

he has travelled all over the world for a relatively young age.

 

he is of medium height and very slim build, almost featherweight. both his

parents are in good health and he is the only child.

 

judging by rasi alone i think aries lagna fits well. the weakness of jupiter

as 12th lord can give him troubles with his feet. he was born while

mercury/moon vimshottari was running. mercury as the 6th lord could explain

it too maybe as both it and its depositor are debilitated. mercury is also

in A8

the combination of lagnesh mars and 9th/12th lord jupiter in the 10th can

give a lot of travel.

 

the sun in lagna can explain his ego, he does have quite a big one but hes

quite compassionate too, this can be due to venus there.

 

rahu in the 9th suits him well as he is not religious or spiritual yet

despite his parents being buddhists. since he is running rahu mahadasa now

if rahu were in the 10th this would give spiritual tendencies or experiences

and rajayoga in career. he has not had a smooth career rise so far.

 

he is quite well known in his societies around the world, i think jupiter in

7th from AL can give this. AL and A7 together in 4th house cancer can

explain his friendsips and women too. he tends to date socialites or high

society women.

 

i think taurus as navamsa lagna suits him also with venus there, hes quite

active in this regard and i forsee him carrying this on till old age.

 

love

jaan

 

 

 

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Dear Jaan

Mercury in strength with all other planets very weak gives six digits either

in hand or leg and the native is very adapt at business & trade - may belong

to such a community.

With best wishes

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

-

" ray1k " <jaan911

<varahamihira >

Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:53 AM

Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] rectification

 

 

Dear Sanjay Guru,

 

as far as i know he is perfectly normal except for the very slight

limp. it gives the impression he is bobbing up and down when he

walks. nothing really abnormal.

 

can i ask what made you suspect he had extra digits?

 

love

jaan

 

 

varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote:

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

> Dear Jaan

> Does he have six fingers or toes by any chance?

> With best wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> -

> " Jaan911 " <jaan911@h...>

> " Varahamihira " <varahamihira>

> Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:46 PM

> [Hare Rama Krishna] rectification

>

>

> can anyone help with this chart rectification?

>

> he says he was born between 4 30 and 5 30 GMT, unfortunately the

lagna

> changes from pisces to aries during this time.

>

> he was born with a club foot (twisted) and had to have corrective

surgery

> soon after. he still walks with a very slight limp. even with this

slight

> disability he is very good at sports especially raquet ones.

>

> the native is a surgeon right now. he is very intelligent and has a

charming

> personality.

> he has many good friends though he is somewhat of a playboy when it

comes to

> women.

> he has travelled all over the world for a relatively young age.

>

> he is of medium height and very slim build, almost featherweight.

both his

> parents are in good health and he is the only child.

>

> judging by rasi alone i think aries lagna fits well. the weakness

of jupiter

> as 12th lord can give him troubles with his feet. he was born while

> mercury/moon vimshottari was running. mercury as the 6th lord could

explain

> it too maybe as both it and its depositor are debilitated. mercury

is also

> in A8

> the combination of lagnesh mars and 9th/12th lord jupiter in the

10th can

> give a lot of travel.

>

> the sun in lagna can explain his ego, he does have quite a big one

but hes

> quite compassionate too, this can be due to venus there.

>

> rahu in the 9th suits him well as he is not religious or spiritual

yet

> despite his parents being buddhists. since he is running rahu

mahadasa now

> if rahu were in the 10th this would give spiritual tendencies or

experiences

> and rajayoga in career. he has not had a smooth career rise so far.

>

> he is quite well known in his societies around the world, i think

jupiter in

> 7th from AL can give this. AL and A7 together in 4th house cancer

can

> explain his friendsips and women too. he tends to date socialites

or high

> society women.

>

> i think taurus as navamsa lagna suits him also with venus there,

hes quite

> active in this regard and i forsee him carrying this on till old

age.

>

> love

> jaan

>

>

>

>

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