Guest guest Posted October 28, 2000 Report Share Posted October 28, 2000 Dear List Members, Krushna very kindly rectified a chart for me. When the chart came through there was a virus on the one he sent to the list ( I am not sure of this) so he has asked me to forward his rectification to the list. I believe I did this earlier but if you haven't got it let me know and I will post it on the list again. At the moment Krushna's computer is very badly affected by viruses so that he will be some time before he is on line again. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking – which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita – you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see…:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2001 Report Share Posted September 30, 2001 Dear Krushna and Group, Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna Thanks Krushna, I’m a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of research here on Donna’s rectification, using only 1 event – her father’s death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far… Aries lagna: Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. Venus has the highest points in Donna’s 4th, which is death for her father (8th from 4th.). Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father’s death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E. Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood circulation. Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna’s teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses. Aries lagna – Saturn sub: Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters. During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th house matters. According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna’s lessons: 1st lists “Death” 5th lists “disease” 2nd lists “Family/Relatives” 6th lists “disease/sickness” I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters 6th lists “disease/sickness” 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness 1st lists “Death” 5th lists “disease” So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna J.) For the Mars sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords. Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father’s death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful significator. Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is established. Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place better for one versus the other. J Thanks Krushna…I’ll get up to par here eventually… ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking – which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita – you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see…:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Good to have you back as well, Sandy. Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy " Astrologyandtimingevents (AT) (DOT) Com " Sunday, September 30, 2001 11:05 AM Rectification Dear Krushna and List, Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have been. :-) I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as possible. Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :-)..Long time no see.:-) ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Sandy, I think your analysis is too involved. You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not aspect A B or C. Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I will learn. L & L Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Krushna and Group, Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. Aries lagna: Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father (8th from 4th.). Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood circulation. Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses. Aries lagna - Saturn sub: Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters. During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th house matters. According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: 1. 1st lists " Death " 2. 5th lists " disease " 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness 3. 1st lists " Death " 4. 5th lists " disease " So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords. Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful significator. Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is established. Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here eventually. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see.:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Sandy, Your reasoning is correct, My comments below your writeup. Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far… > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART ATTACK IS RELATED TO 4TH LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN. IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE FOR HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN 8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU LAGNA. > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna – Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS WITH 27 POINTS. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY AND IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up to par here > eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN THE SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF MARS DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN. FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD.( MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT. ARISES LAGNA DO NOT DENY HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK: HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS MAIN AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH. CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK 2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO BLOOD AND HEART PROBLEM. 3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER. 4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT. 5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS AND ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS) NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE. THANKS KRUSHNA > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking – > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita – > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see…:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 DEAR SANDY IN MY ASNSWER I HAVE INDICATED 4TH HOUSE FOR 8TH OF 9TH HOUSE. 4TH HOUSE IN A CHART ALSO INDICATE THE HEART PROBLEM, SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY CONFUSION. IF WE SEE THE 4TH LORD FOR FATHER WHICH IS 12TH IS ALSO HAVING EFFECT OF SUN. KRUSHNA , krushanain@h... wrote: > Dear Sandy, > Your reasoning is correct, My comments below your writeup. > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a > bit of > > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her > father's > > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both > sides - in > > support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up > > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing > support, and > > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far… > > > > Aries lagna: > > > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her > father > > (8th from 4th.). > > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter > (lord of E) > > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's > death, is > > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E. > > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most > likely > > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point > value. > > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems > and blood > > circulation. > > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to > bring results > > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART ATTACK IS RELATED TO 4TH > LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH > LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN. > IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH > LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE FOR > HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN > 8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN > RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE > REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES > KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF > JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU LAGNA. > > > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the > facts that > > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are > certain to > > be linked up with other houses. > > > > Aries lagna – Saturn sub: > > > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked > to the 1st > > and 5th house matters. > > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked > to to 2nd > > and 6th house matters. > > > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's > lessons: > > > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > > 2. 5th lists " disease " > > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > > For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house > matters > > > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > > 3. 1st lists " Death " > > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the > death of her > > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For > the Mars > > sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to > family/relatives when > > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit > lord of > > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as > you have > > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > > significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE > CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS WITH > 27 POINTS. > > > > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in > the sign > > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th > house on > > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions > 2nd and > > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, > Mars, is in > > the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the > mahadasha and > > bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY AND > IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS. > TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE. > > > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 > Capricorn, in the > > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. > Saturn is > > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 > points. > > > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in > fact, > > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I > work on an > > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into > place > > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up to > par here > > eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN THE > SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF MARS > DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN. > FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT > ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD. ( > MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE > PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT. > ARISES LAGNA DO NOT DENY > HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK: > HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH > HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE > MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS MAIN > AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH. > CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK > 2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO BLOOD > AND HEART PROBLEM. > 3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI > IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER. > 4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND > SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT. > 5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS AND > ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS) > > NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE. > THANKS > KRUSHNA > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking – > > which I have > > > been. :-) > > > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the > swing > > here of > > > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for > > my > > > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > > will be back > > > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit > before > > I jump > > > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as > soon > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed > > teaching > > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita – > > you are > > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > > )..Long time > > > no see…:-) > > > > > > ~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Dear Krushna, Thanks very much Krushna…I appreciate your feedback. I will print this out and go over your comments, and then study this chart further, applying these principles to her other major events as well…It will be a good ‘refresher course’ for me, to sharpen up on some of these skills you have so very kindly taught us…J…Thanks again. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ -----Original Message----- krushanain [krushanain] Monday, October 01, 2001 4:43 PM To: Subject: Re: Rectification Dear Sandy, Your reasoning is correct, My comments below your writeup. Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event – her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries…Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far… > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C – so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E – eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) NOTHING WRING IN YOUR READING. HEART ATTACK IS RELATED TO 4TH LORD, IT SHOULD HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OF SUN. WITH ARISES LAGNA 4TH LORD IS MOON, HAVE NO INFLUENCE OF SUN. IF WE CONSIDER THE SAME EVENT FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA THE FOURTH LORD IS VENUS SITUATED WITH SUN AND IN P.BHADRAPAD. SO MORE PRONE FOR HEART ATTACK. NOW NINTH HOUSE IS HOUSE 'E' AND KETU IS SITUATED IN 8TH HOUSE, AND RAHU IN KETU'S CONSTELLATION. THE EVENT HAPPENED IN RAHU SUB. HERE VENUS ( SO SATURN) IS ALSO COVERED. RAHU HERE REPRESENTS VENUS (TRU KETU). THE MAIN DASHA LORD WHO INDICATES KARKATVA IS JUPITER, AND MARS IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER. IN MY OPINION THE EVENT IS BETTER SUITS WITH AQU LAGNA. > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna – Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd – results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub – there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. ON 20TH AUG SUN WAS IN SUN'S SIGN AND IN THE CONSTELLATION OF KETU, MEANS SUN WITH 21 POINTS AND KETU = VENUS WITH 27 POINTS. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord – so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. WE CONSIDER THE TRANSIT OF SUN ONLY AND IT SHOULD BE IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF POWERFUL PLANETS. TRANSIT OF LORD A IS NOT CONSIDERED. SOME CONFUSION HERE. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up – or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna…I'll get up to par here > eventually… ARISES DID NOT SUITS PERFECTLY, THE EVENT SHOWS IN THE SUB OF 9TH LORD 'E'AND JUPITER IS POWER FUL, THE MAIN PERIOD OF MARS DO NOT SHOWS ANY DIRECT RELATION WITH LORD OF 'A' SATURN. FOR AQUARIUS LAGNA JUPITER BEING LORD OF 'A' HAVE SIGHT ON 'B' SO SOME SAMDHARMI CAN GIVE THE RESULT, SO MARS CAME FORWARD.( MARS IS ALSO HAVING SIGHT ON 'C' BUT WE DO NOT CONSIDER FOR THE PLANET GIVING THE REPLACEMENT. ARISES LAGNA DO NOT DENY HERE I GIVE ONE MORE CHECK: HEART ATTACK IS TREATED AS ACCIDENT, WHICH CAN BE SEEN FROM 7TH HOUSE. HERE 3RD HOUSE IS THE HOUSE WHICH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. HERE MARS IS WITH VERY LESS POINTS, SO CAN INDICATE ACCIDENT IN MARS MAIN AND MARS/ RAHU SUB. THE ACCIDENT RESULTED IN DEATH. CONCLUSION: 4TH LORD CONNECTED WITH SUN CAN GIVE HEART ATTACK 2) VENUS 4TH LORD IS IN THE P.BHARDAPAD ( RULED BY jUPITER) SO BLOOD AND HEART PROBLEM. 3) MAIN DASHA IS RELATED TO LORD 'A' (JUPITER) THE MAIN DASHA SWAMI IS IN THE SIGN AND CONSTELLATION OF JUPITER. 4) THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU SO VENUS (TRU KETU) IS SECOND HIGHEST AND SAMDHARMI TO SATURN HIGHEST POINT. 5) THE TRANSIT OF SUN IS IN THE SIGN OF SUN ( HAVING GOOD POINTS AND ALSO SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, AND KETU AGAIN VENUS) NOW PLEASE YOU DECIDE WHICH LAGNA SUITS MORE. THANKS KRUSHNA > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking – > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga…I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence…I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon…I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though – so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience…I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita – > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see…:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this subject. I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is aspecting one of A B or C. Your clarification would be appreciated. Kind regards Sanjay - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001 Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM Re: Re: Rectification Dear Sandy, I think your analysis is too involved. You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not aspect A B or C. Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I will learn. L & L Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Krushna and Group, Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. Aries lagna: Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father (8th from 4th.). Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood circulation. Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses. Aries lagna - Saturn sub: Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters. During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th house matters. According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: 1. 1st lists " Death " 2. 5th lists " disease " 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness 3. 1st lists " Death " 4. 5th lists " disease " So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords. Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful significator. Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is established. Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here eventually. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see.:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Krushna - The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. I think Sanjay's right here. If you use the time of either 8:27am or 8:29am for the ARIES lagna, the sub comes out to Saturn, not Jupiter. Please check again. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sanjay, The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. krushna , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this > subject. > > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is > aspecting one of A B or C. > > Your clarification would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > - > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM > Re: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10 Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong. Kind regards Sanjay - <krushanain Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM Fw: Re: Rectification Dear Sanjay, The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. krushna , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this > subject. > > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is > aspecting one of A B or C. > > Your clarification would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > - > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM > Re: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sanjay and Donna, The event did fall in a Ma/Sa with Aries lagna – So Saturn was sub-lord…You are correct. It is my understanding that any planet that aspects Houses A, B, or C (unless they are lords of D or E) cannot give results, but a samdharmi CAN come forth and give results. Therefore Saturn cannot give results but Saturn’s samdharmi can. Venus scores highest points on worksheet on Aries chart, and therefore is most likely to bring about results. Venus is in the sign of Saturn and nakshatra of Jupiter – Lord of E Venus does not aspect Houses A, B, or C so it qualifies in the worksheet as the most likely to bring about the results. Ve/Sa are natural 4/10 house lords from one another, so Venus can be samdharmi to Saturn. There was an addendum added to Chapter 5 called More Clarifications. I think that the way it was worded may have been confusing. If you have that addendum, on page 2 on the bottom, Krushna wrote : “We know that the planet that aspects a significator house/s, do not give results in it’s sub-period. Any samdharmi grah will come forward to give result. Please note that this law is not applicable to lords of D and E houses.” My understanding of this: This means that lords of D and E CAN give effects in their sub-periods, NOT that a samdharmi graha cannot come forward and give results for them. Lord of D and E can brig forth results EVEN if they aspect significator houses. So samdharmi is applicable. Does this help or make matters worse? J ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ -----Original Message----- Sanjay Jaggia [sanjaygg2001] Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:38 AM To: Re: Re: Rectification Respected Krushnaji, I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10 Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong. Kind regards Sanjay - <krushanain Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM Fw: Re: Rectification Dear Sanjay, The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. krushna , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this > subject. > > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is > aspecting one of A B or C. > > Your clarification would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > - > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM > Re: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Dear Sandy, I think your analysis is too involved. You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. We both agree on this…But the planet with the highest point value is also a contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E – that is my understanding anyway. In other words, I don’t think it is solely dependent on the lords of D and E – although they are eager to bring about the results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the points of the chart in question…Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the basic principles. If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not aspect A B or C. This is where we differ in our understanding…It is my understanding (but I could be wrong too J) that Saturn cannot “directly” give the result when acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus) that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus – being that Venus has the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord…but I could also be incorrect. I also understood that results are given by the planet with the highest amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D and E who are also anxious to bring about results. Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I will learn. Hmm…guess we should let Krushna sort this one out…J…because I may be wrong also, and I admit I AM rusty! J ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ L & L Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Krushna and Group, Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. Aries lagna: Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father (8th from 4th.). Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood circulation. Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses. Aries lagna - Saturn sub: Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters. During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th house matters. According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: 1. 1st lists " Death " 2. 5th lists " disease " 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness 3. 1st lists " Death " 4. 5th lists " disease " So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords. Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful significator. Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is established. Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here eventually. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see.:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sanjay, and Donna, Yes you are correct, long ago I rectified Donna's chart, at that time I chacked for all the lagna. At that time I given time 7:27 am. So it should match the death of her father. But when seeing other things, I changed it. That copy of the chart was in my record. I refered the same. Sorry for that. If we take 8:27 time then at the time of event it will be Saturn sub, that will not match. I gone with the discussion that there is confusion between her arises or Aquarius lagna. So I compared the two charts. I have not seen the time of the charts. Some results I have given her, at that time, after confirming her aquarius asc. After some days, she gave me more events of her life. Those I checked and rectified her birth time as 05:28 am. This time again when discussion about her birth time arises, and there was difference of opinions about arises and Aqu. lagna, I refered those charts from my records. While giving reply to some other questions I refered 07:27 chart. Once again I am Sorry for that. krushna. , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10 > Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of > Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > > - > <krushanain@h...> > > Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM > Fw: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Sanjay, > The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed > correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. > krushna > > , " Sanjay Jaggia " > <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy > on this > > subject. > > > > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also > partly explain > > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father > happened > > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th > house which > > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How > can Saturn > > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if > it is > > aspecting one of A B or C. > > > > Your clarification would be appreciated. > > > > Kind regards > > Sanjay > > - > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> > > > > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM > > Re: Re: Rectification > > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B > or C can > > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of > Saturn. > > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it > cannot > > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does > not > > aspect A B or C. > > > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In > any case, I > > will learn. > > > > L & L > > Sanjay > > > > - > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > > RE: Re: Rectification > > > > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Your presence in the group will make the things more > pleasant. > > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > > Thanks > > krushna > > > > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a > bit of > > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her > father's > > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both > sides - in > > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing > support, and > > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > > > Aries lagna: > > > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her > father > > (8th from 4th.). > > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter > (lord of E) > > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's > death, is > > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most > likely > > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point > value. > > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems > and blood > > circulation. > > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to > bring results > > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the > facts that > > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are > certain to > > be linked up with other houses. > > > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked > to the 1st > > and 5th house matters. > > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked > to to 2nd > > and 6th house matters. > > > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's > lessons: > > > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > > 2. 5th lists " disease " > > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house > matters > > > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > > 3. 1st lists " Death " > > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the > death of her > > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For > the Mars > > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to > family/relatives when > > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit > lord of > > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as > you have > > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > > significator. > > > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in > the sign > > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th > house on > > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions > 2nd and > > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, > Mars, is in > > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the > mahadasha and > > bhukti lord is established. > > > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 > Capricorn, in the > > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. > Saturn is > > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 > points. > > > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in > fact, > > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I > work on an > > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into > place > > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to > par here > > eventually. > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > > which I have > > > been. :-) > > > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the > swing > > here of > > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > > my > > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > > will be back > > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit > before > > I jump > > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as > soon > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > > teaching > > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > > you are > > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > > )..Long time > > > no see.:-) > > > > > > ~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sandy and Sanjay, One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the result until it is lord of A or B. Please also note that this law is not applicable to samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give the results. In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation. Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but Venus is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn. Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified. krushna , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > We both agree on this…But the planet with the highest point value is also a > contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E – that is my > understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely dependent > on the lords of D and E – although they are eager to bring about the > results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the points of the > chart in question…Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the > basic principles. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > This is where we differ in our understanding…It is my understanding (but I > could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the result when > acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also > took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus) > that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus – being that Venus has > the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord…but I could also be > incorrect. > > I also understood that results are given by the planet with the highest > amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to > samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D > and E who are also anxious to bring about results. > > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > Hmm…guess we should let Krushna sort this one out…:-)…because I may be wrong > also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 > Dear Sanjay and Donna, > Ve/Sa are natural 4/10 house lords from one another, > so Venus can be > samdharmi to Saturn. Besides that, the tajaka was Leo ascendant, and Mrityu saham was in the 4th house (8th from the 9th) Sorry to butt in Swee Listen to your Mail messages from any phone. http://phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sandy, The way I read it is like this. A samdharmi can give the result for the most powerful significator if the most powerful significator aspects A B or C. The period of the samdharmi must be running. Other wise it does not count. If we use the logic of any samdharmi giving the result in any other planet's period, then we have a big soup. I don't think that would be consistent with the system. Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:35 PM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Sanjay and Donna, The event did fall in a Ma/Sa with Aries lagna - So Saturn was sub-lord.You are correct. It is my understanding that any planet that aspects Houses A, B, or C (unless they are lords of D or E) cannot give results, but a samdharmi CAN come forth and give results. Therefore Saturn cannot give results but Saturn 's samdharmi can. Venus scores highest points on worksheet on Aries chart, and therefore is most likely to bring about results. Venus is in the sign of Saturn and nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E Venus does not aspect Houses A, B, or C so it qualifies in the worksheet as the most likely to bring about the results. Ve/Sa are natural 4/10 house lords from one another, so Venus can be samdharmi to Saturn. There was an addendum added to Chapter 5 called More Clarifications. I think that the way it was worded may have been confusing. If you have that addendum, on page 2 on the bottom, Krushna wrote : " We know that the planet that aspects a significator house/s, do not give results in it's sub-period. Any samdharmi grah will come forward to give result. Please note that this law is not applicable to lords of D and E houses. " My understanding of this: This means that lords of D and E CAN give effects in their sub-periods, NOT that a samdharmi graha cannot come forward and give results for them. Lord of D and E can brig forth results EVEN if they aspect significator houses. So samdharmi is applicable. Does this help or make matters worse? :-) ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Sanjay Jaggia [sanjaygg2001] Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:38 AM Re: Re: Rectification Respected Krushnaji, I was using Ayanamsha 22-7-6. I changed it to 22-8-8. I get Asc as 22-51-10 Aries and Moon as 27-53-60 Cancer. August 1997 still falls under sub of Saturn. Please tell me what am I doing wrong. Kind regards Sanjay - <krushanain Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:46 PM Fw: Re: Rectification Dear Sanjay, The event happened in Jupiter sub, lord of E. Please feed correct ayanansha, 22:08:08. krushna , " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> wrote: > Respected Krushnaji, > > I have been reading the mails that you have been sending to Sandy on this > subject. > > I see that you have mentioned that the Aries lagna could also partly explain > the event. I am a little confused by this. The death of the father happened > in the sub of Saturn if we use Aries lagna. Saturn aspects 11th house which > is A. It is not the lord of D or E. It is not even in D or E. How can Saturn > give the event? I thought even a samdharmi can't give the event if it is > aspecting one of A B or C. > > Your clarification would be appreciated. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > - > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 7:59 PM > Re: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Please see my comments in capitals below. Kind regards Sanjay - <krushanain Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:45 AM Re: Rectification Dear Sandy and Sanjay, One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the result until it is lord of A or B. - I SUPPOSE YOU MEAN D OR E. IS THAT CORRECT? Please also note that this law is not applicable to samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give the results. In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation. Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but Venus is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn. Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified. WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THIS IS THE FOLLOWING: 1. A PLANET ASPECTING A B OR C CAN GIVE THE RESULT EVEN IF IT IS NOT THE LORD OF D OR E PROVIDED IT IS SAMDHARMI TO A POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR. WOULD THIS NOT EXPLODE THE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES? THE MAIN THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS SYSTEM WAS THAT IT GAVE YOU VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND CERTAIN PERIODS COULD BE RULED OUT WITH CERTAINTY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS TO THIS. 2. WE HAD SOME RULES FOR FINDING SAMDHARMI PLANETS WHICH WERE VERY CLEAR. NOW IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A JUDGEMENTAL ISSUE ON DECIDING THE SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIP. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN THE CURRENT CHART IS THAT SATURN, THOUGH NATURAL SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT CAN ACT AS SUCH IN THIS PARTICULAR CHART. DO WE EXTEND THIS LOGIC TO OTHER SAMDHARMI RELATIONS AS WELL? FOR EXAMPLE, TWO PLANETS MIGHT BE IN THE NAVAMSHA OF THE SAME PLANET (WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM SAMDHARMI.) HOWEVER, THEY MIGHT BE 1-7 IN THE RASHI CHART (I HAVE NOT CHEECKED IF THIS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR NOT, I AM JUST LOOKING FOR THE PRINCIPLE.) WOULD THIS MEAN THAT THESE ARE NOT SAMDHARMI? DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE RULES BY WHICH WE JUDGE SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIPS? krushna , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > Dear Sandy, > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value is also a > contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that is my > understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely dependent > on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about the > results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the points of the > chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the > basic principles. > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not > aspect A B or C. > > This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my understanding (but I > could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the result when > acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also > took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus) > that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that Venus has > the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I could also be > incorrect. > > I also understood that results are given by the planet with the highest > amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to > samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D > and E who are also anxious to bring about results. > > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I > will learn. > > Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I may be wrong > also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > L & L > Sanjay > > - > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > RE: Re: Rectification > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > Dear Sandy, > Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > Thanks > krushna > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > Aries lagna: > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father > (8th from 4th.). > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood > circulation. > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to > be linked up with other houses. > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st > and 5th house matters. > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd > and 6th house matters. > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > 2. 5th lists " disease " > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > 3. 1st lists " Death " > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > significator. > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and > bhukti lord is established. > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here > eventually. > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > which I have > > been. :-) > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing > here of > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > my > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > will be back > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before > I jump > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon > as > > possible. > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > teaching > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > you are > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > )..Long time > > no see.:-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Dear Sandy, It seems that you are right according to the clarification given by Krushnaji. This raises other problems according to my thinking but then that is another issue. Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:16 AM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Sanjay, Dear Sandy, I think your analysis is too involved. You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B or C can give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value is also a contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that is my understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely dependent on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about the results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the points of the chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is part of the basic principles. If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of Saturn. Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it cannot give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does not aspect A B or C. This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my understanding (but I could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the result when acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, I also took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet (Venus) that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that Venus has the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I could also be incorrect. I also understood that results are given by the planet with the highest amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration given to samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the lords of D and E who are also anxious to bring about results. Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In any case, I will learn. Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I may be wrong also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-) ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> L & L Sanjay - " Sandy Crowther " <sandy Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM RE: Re: Rectification Dear Krushna and Group, Dear Sandy, Your presence in the group will make the things more pleasant. Your knowedge will also be helpful. Thanks krushna Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a bit of research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her father's death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both sides - in support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing support, and possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. Aries lagna: Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her father (8th from 4th.). Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter (lord of E) Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's death, is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most likely candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point value. # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems and blood circulation. Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to bring results (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the facts that during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are certain to be linked up with other houses. Aries lagna - Saturn sub: Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters. During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked to to 2nd and 6th house matters. According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's lessons: 1. 1st lists " Death " 2. 5th lists " disease " 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house matters 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness 3. 1st lists " Death " 4. 5th lists " disease " So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the death of her father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For the Mars sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to family/relatives when considering the significance of the sub lords. Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit lord of the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as you have taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful significator. Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in the sign of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th house on 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions 2nd and 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, Mars, is in the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the mahadasha and bhukti lord is established. Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 Capricorn, in the sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. Saturn is in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 points. Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in fact, Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I work on an analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into place better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to par here eventually. ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> wrote: > Dear Krushna and List, > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - which I have > been. :-) > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the swing here of > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for my > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and will be back > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit before I jump > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as soon as > possible. > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed teaching > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - you are > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- )..Long time > no see.:-) > > ~Namaste~ > Sandy > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Dear Sanjay, My answer on your comments, see below > Respected Krushnaji, > > Please see my comments in capitals below. > > Kind regards > Sanjay > > - > > Dear Sandy and Sanjay, > One thing I should clarify here. Whewn the power ful > significator is aspecting the upchay stan, it may not give the result > until it is lord of A or B. > > - I SUPPOSE YOU MEAN D OR E. IS THAT CORRECT? Sorry this is typo in hurry. it should be D and E. > > Please also note that this law is not applicable to > samdharmi planets. They are coming forward to give the result, as > arepresentation to some other planet. If such samdharmi planets are > having their sight on the upchay stan (A,B,C) still they can give the > results. > In the present case Venus is having maximum points, So it > can give the result, and As Saturn is Natural samdharmi to Venus it > can give the result. This is not away from our rules. Here We should > also consider one more thing, Saturn and Venus are in 1:7 situation. > Which makes them F. Enemy. Here Saturn gives power to Venus but Venus > is with 4 points. It means Venus is not in favor to Saturn. > Saturn can represents Venus may not be justified. > > WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THIS IS THE FOLLOWING: > > 1. A PLANET ASPECTING A B OR C CAN GIVE THE RESULT EVEN IF IT IS NOT THE > LORD OF D OR E PROVIDED IT IS SAMDHARMI TO A POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR. WOULD > THIS NOT EXPLODE THE NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIES? THE MAIN THING I LIKE ABOUT > THIS SYSTEM WAS THAT IT GAVE YOU VERY SPECIFIC RULES AND CERTAIN PERIODS > COULD BE RULED OUT WITH CERTAINTY. IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS TO > THIS. this is not away from the rules. When two planets which are samdharmi if they are in 4:10 relation ship, will act powerfully. if 1:7 or 6:8 will not come forward, until and unless they have some specific reason. > > 2. WE HAD SOME RULES FOR FINDING SAMDHARMI PLANETS WHICH WERE VERY CLEAR. > NOW IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A JUDGEMENTAL ISSUE ON DECIDING THE SAMDHARMI > RELATIONSHIP. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IN THE CURRENT CHART IS THAT SATURN, > THOUGH NATURAL SAMDHARMI TO VENUS, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT CAN ACT AS SUCH IN > THIS PARTICULAR CHART. Please note that in this perticular case they are situated 1:7 place. If you remember, Similar question you have asked some time back regarding Mercury and Jupiter, why they are not treated as samdharmi. answer was because in other set of houses they have 1:7 relationship. Similarly in this case the venus and Saturn are samdharmi, but in the chart they are situated in 1:7th place. The sight of venus is not favoring Saturn. In such relationship if both planets are with less points, they would have worked as samdharmi. DO WE EXTEND THIS LOGIC TO OTHER SAMDHARMI RELATIONS > AS WELL? FOR EXAMPLE, TWO PLANETS MIGHT BE IN THE NAVAMSHA OF THE SAME > PLANET (WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM SAMDHARMI.) HOWEVER, THEY MIGHT BE 1- 7 IN THE > RASHI CHART here again we should check the points of each planets. (I HAVE NOT CHEECKED IF THIS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE OR NOT, I AM > JUST LOOKING FOR THE PRINCIPLE.) WOULD THIS MEAN THAT THESE ARE NOT > SAMDHARMI? DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO REWRITE THE RULES BY WHICH WE > JUDGE SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIPS? Please note that we always find the quality of the planets. If any planet is samdharmi to other planet, and if the so called samdharmi planet is lord of 12th house from B, it will not act. Similar check should be made. krushna > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > Dear Sandy, > > > > I think your analysis is too involved. > > > > You have to see the basic principles first. No plant aspecting A B > or C can > > give the event, unless it happens to be the lord of D or E. > > > > We both agree on this.But the planet with the highest point value > is also a > > contender for consideration along with the lords of D and E - that > is my > > understanding anyway. In other words, I don't think it is solely > dependent > > on the lords of D and E - although they are eager to bring about the > > results. I think you also have to consider the strength of the > points of the > > chart in question.Not just the lords of D and E. I think that is > part of the > > basic principles. > > > > If you take Aries ascendant, then the event happened in the sub of > Saturn. > > Saturn is not lord of D or E. Even if it is samdharmi to Venus, it > cannot > > give the result. Result can only be given by a samdharmi which does > not > > aspect A B or C. > > > > This is where we differ in our understanding.It is my understanding > (but I > > could be wrong too :-)) that Saturn cannot " directly " give the > result when > > acting alone, because Saturn aspects a significator house. However, > I also > > took it to be a consideration because it is samdharmi to a planet > (Venus) > > that CAN give the result via substitution for Venus - being that > Venus has > > the highest amount of points and Saturn is the sub lord.but I could > also be > > incorrect. > > > > I also understood that results are given by the planet with the > highest > > amount of points for the chart in question, with consideration > given to > > samdharmi planets as substitutes, OR, during the periods of the > lords of D > > and E who are also anxious to bring about results. > > > > > > Of course, I could have misunderstood and you might be right. In > any case, I > > will learn. > > > > Hmm.guess we should let Krushna sort this one out.:-).because I may > be wrong > > also, and I admit I AM rusty! :-) > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ <http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > L & L > > Sanjay > > > > - > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > > > Monday, October 01, 2001 4:58 AM > > RE: Re: Rectification > > > > > > Dear Krushna and Group, > > > > Dear Sandy, > > Your presence in the group will make the things more > pleasant. > > Your knowedge will also be helpful. > > Thanks > > krushna > > > > > > Thanks Krushna, I'm a bit rusty on this system but have attempted a > bit of > > research here on Donna's rectification, using only 1 event - her > father's > > death. I can, however, see significant considerations for both > sides - in > > support of both Aquarius and Aries.Your arguments certainly hold up > > significantly for Aquarius lagna, but can you tell me where I may be > > misleading myself with the following, for additionally seeing > support, and > > possible consideration for Aries also? Here is what I have so far. > > > > Aries lagna: > > > > Lords of D and E are eager to bring results. > > Venus has the highest points in Donna's 4th, which is death for her > father > > (8th from 4th.). > > Mars, lord of D is in sign of Jupiter and Nakshatra of Jupiter > (lord of E) > > Jupiter, lord of E is in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Sun. > > > > Venus, planet with the highest point value for House 4, father's > death, is > > in sign of Saturn and Nakshatra of Jupiter - Lord of E. > > Venus does not aspect A, B, or C - so it qualifies as the most > likely > > candidate for bringing about results, because of highest point > value. > > # 25 Nakshatra, Purva Bhadra, is indicative of both heart problems > and blood > > circulation. > > Jupiter can be samdharmi for Venus and is lord of E - eager to > bring results > > (death). (Or do we not use a samdharmi in this case?) > > > > In the ashtakavarga system, Krushna's teachings have given the > facts that > > during the sub-period of the lords of certain houses, results are > certain to > > be linked up with other houses. > > > > Aries lagna - Saturn sub: > > > > Saturn lords the 10th and 11th for Aries > > During the sub period of the lord of the 10th, results are linked > to the 1st > > and 5th house matters. > > During the sub=periods of the lord of the 11th, results are linked > to to 2nd > > and 6th house matters. > > > > According to ashtakavarga teachings and documents from Krushna's > lessons: > > > > 1. 1st lists " Death " > > 2. 5th lists " disease " > > 3. 2nd lists " Family/Relatives " > > 4. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > > > I compared the above to Mars bhukti with Aquarian lagna: > > Mars lords houses 3 and 10 for Aquarius > > For the 3rd - results are linked to the 6th and 10th house matters > > For the the 10th, results are linked to the 1st and 5th house > matters > > > > 1. 6th lists " disease/sickness " > > 2. 10th lists nothing relative to death of father or illness > > 3. 1st lists " Death " > > 4. 5th lists " disease " > > > > So there is supporting evidence to link the Saturn sub with the > death of her > > father, (in addition to the Mars sub for Aquarius lagna :-).) For > the Mars > > sub - there is no mention of the link with respect to > family/relatives when > > considering the significance of the sub lords. > > > > Now to arrive at the date of death, we have to consider the transit > lord of > > the upachaya house (House A) of her father's death. Generally, as > you have > > taught us, it should be in the sign and constellation of a powerful > > significator. > > > > Aries: Shows transit lord of house A, Saturn, at 27:14 Pisces, in > the sign > > of Jupiter in the constellation of Mercury, and posited in the 12th > house on > > 8/20/97. Jupiter and Mercury are both with 19 points in positions > 2nd and > > 3rd in ranking for positions of strength. Tha main dasha lord, > Mars, is in > > the sign of the bhukti lord - so the connection between the > mahadasha and > > bhukti lord is established. > > > > Aquarius: Shows transit lord of house A, Jupiter, at 22:46 > Capricorn, in the > > sign of Saturn and constellation of Moon in the 12th on 8/20/97. > Saturn is > > in highest strength with 28 points while Moon ranks 5th with 15 > points. > > > > Is this a consideration when both are not in the top 3 positions for > > strength? Just wanting to know where I have goofed up - or if, in > fact, > > Aries could be a consideration based on the above? Perhaps if I > work on an > > analysis of the other events Donna listed, things will fall into > place > > better for one versus the other. :-) Thanks Krushna.I'll get up to > par here > > eventually. > > > > ~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > , " Sandy Crowther " <sandy@t...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Krushna and List, > > > > > > Hi Krushna and everyone! Donna gave me away like I'm lurking - > > which I have > > > been. :-) > > > > > > I'm trying to finish up some loose ends and get back into the > swing > > here of > > > things here at Ashtakavarga.I've been missing this list! Sorry for > > my > > > prolonged absence.I've been trying to follow all the mails, and > > will be back > > > and hopefully active very soon.I'll need to freshen up a bit > before > > I jump > > > right in though - so I'll wade through my mountain of notes as > soon > > as > > > possible. > > > > > > Thanks Krushna for this list and your patience.I've now completed > > teaching > > > the MaHaBote Course which is freeing up some time. And Margarita - > > you are > > > doing so GREAT!!! And nice to see Sanjay back and active too. :- > > )..Long time > > > no see.:-) > > > > > > ~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > http://www.jupitersweb.com/ < http://www.jupitersweb.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Donna, Marguerita, Krushna, and Group, Dear Sandy, It seems that you are right according to the clarification given by Krushnaji. This raises other problems according to my thinking but then that is another issue. Sanjay While I may have understood correctly the samdharmi concept as far as being able to “represent” another strong significator planet - even when the samdharmi planet aspects (or has sight on) House A, B, or C (because it is “representing” another planet and is not a “direct” involvement but rather a “substituting” planet) I also fully agree with you and the others that we definitely DO need further refinements on samdharmi. While I am quite clear on some points, I remain a bit sketchy on others… just as you do…so a refinement ruling on samdharmis will certainly benefit all of us who are trying to understand the concept of samdharmi clearly, and all it entails – as it is clearly a very vital factor in accurate assessments of ashtakavarga delineations, and therefore may be futile on our part to attempt delineation without fully comprehending the samdharmi principles in a more complex chart. So I propose that we get these clarifications in order PRIOR to making any further attempts on ashtakavarga analyses of ANY charts – so that we don’t all end up confusing ourselves and each other even further. J Then, when we have a complete understanding of sandharmi planets and all the rules and regulations pertaining to samdharmi – perhaps we then move on to an exercise where we can see how efficiently we have understood samdharmi… Just my humble opinion… ~Namaste~ Sandy http://www.jupitersweb.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2001 Report Share Posted October 5, 2001 > While I may have understood correctly the samdharmi concept as far as being > able to " represent " another strong significator planet - even when the > samdharmi planet aspects (or has sight on) House A, B, or C (because it is > " representing " another planet and is not a " direct " involvement but rather a > " substituting " planet) I also fully agree with you and the others that we > definitely DO need further refinements on samdharmi I already send the details about samdharmi from a mail from post via web. It did not reach. Again I will send, after retyping, and will send as attachment. krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Hari Om Tat Sat Dear Jaan Does he have six fingers or toes by any chance? With best wishes Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " Jaan911 " <jaan911 " Varahamihira " <varahamihira > Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:46 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] rectification can anyone help with this chart rectification? he says he was born between 4 30 and 5 30 GMT, unfortunately the lagna changes from pisces to aries during this time. he was born with a club foot (twisted) and had to have corrective surgery soon after. he still walks with a very slight limp. even with this slight disability he is very good at sports especially raquet ones. the native is a surgeon right now. he is very intelligent and has a charming personality. he has many good friends though he is somewhat of a playboy when it comes to women. he has travelled all over the world for a relatively young age. he is of medium height and very slim build, almost featherweight. both his parents are in good health and he is the only child. judging by rasi alone i think aries lagna fits well. the weakness of jupiter as 12th lord can give him troubles with his feet. he was born while mercury/moon vimshottari was running. mercury as the 6th lord could explain it too maybe as both it and its depositor are debilitated. mercury is also in A8 the combination of lagnesh mars and 9th/12th lord jupiter in the 10th can give a lot of travel. the sun in lagna can explain his ego, he does have quite a big one but hes quite compassionate too, this can be due to venus there. rahu in the 9th suits him well as he is not religious or spiritual yet despite his parents being buddhists. since he is running rahu mahadasa now if rahu were in the 10th this would give spiritual tendencies or experiences and rajayoga in career. he has not had a smooth career rise so far. he is quite well known in his societies around the world, i think jupiter in 7th from AL can give this. AL and A7 together in 4th house cancer can explain his friendsips and women too. he tends to date socialites or high society women. i think taurus as navamsa lagna suits him also with venus there, hes quite active in this regard and i forsee him carrying this on till old age. love jaan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2002 Report Share Posted January 7, 2002 Hari Om Tat Sat Dear Jaan Mercury in strength with all other planets very weak gives six digits either in hand or leg and the native is very adapt at business & trade - may belong to such a community. With best wishes Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " ray1k " <jaan911 <varahamihira > Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:53 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] rectification Dear Sanjay Guru, as far as i know he is perfectly normal except for the very slight limp. it gives the impression he is bobbing up and down when he walks. nothing really abnormal. can i ask what made you suspect he had extra digits? love jaan varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > Hari Om Tat Sat > Dear Jaan > Does he have six fingers or toes by any chance? > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > - > " Jaan911 " <jaan911@h...> > " Varahamihira " <varahamihira> > Saturday, January 05, 2002 8:46 PM > [Hare Rama Krishna] rectification > > > can anyone help with this chart rectification? > > he says he was born between 4 30 and 5 30 GMT, unfortunately the lagna > changes from pisces to aries during this time. > > he was born with a club foot (twisted) and had to have corrective surgery > soon after. he still walks with a very slight limp. even with this slight > disability he is very good at sports especially raquet ones. > > the native is a surgeon right now. he is very intelligent and has a charming > personality. > he has many good friends though he is somewhat of a playboy when it comes to > women. > he has travelled all over the world for a relatively young age. > > he is of medium height and very slim build, almost featherweight. both his > parents are in good health and he is the only child. > > judging by rasi alone i think aries lagna fits well. the weakness of jupiter > as 12th lord can give him troubles with his feet. he was born while > mercury/moon vimshottari was running. mercury as the 6th lord could explain > it too maybe as both it and its depositor are debilitated. mercury is also > in A8 > the combination of lagnesh mars and 9th/12th lord jupiter in the 10th can > give a lot of travel. > > the sun in lagna can explain his ego, he does have quite a big one but hes > quite compassionate too, this can be due to venus there. > > rahu in the 9th suits him well as he is not religious or spiritual yet > despite his parents being buddhists. since he is running rahu mahadasa now > if rahu were in the 10th this would give spiritual tendencies or experiences > and rajayoga in career. he has not had a smooth career rise so far. > > he is quite well known in his societies around the world, i think jupiter in > 7th from AL can give this. AL and A7 together in 4th house cancer can > explain his friendsips and women too. he tends to date socialites or high > society women. > > i think taurus as navamsa lagna suits him also with venus there, hes quite > active in this regard and i forsee him carrying this on till old age. > > love > jaan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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