Moon

September 6, 2006

Bliss wrote:

> Are there any exmaples where sidereal moon in cancer folks were pretty

> focused and organized? Would be great to know.

Sari:

I took a look at AstroDatabank with people with the Moon on Cancer

ascendant, no other planets there, so that the " Cancerness " would come

purely through.

1. Ruth Chatterton, 24th December 1893 at 7.30 PM +5.00 New York, NY

- A quote from ADB:

" American actress, a writer and a pilot. She took her first stage job as a

dare at 14 in a New York chorus line. Her Broadway debut, four years later,

was in a turkey that ran for 21 days. By age 21, she was a star in a Henry

Miller production. (...) She was a dulcet-voiced movie queen plus a

tough-minded feminist and pilot of her own plane. In 1950 she became noted

as a serious novelist when her first book, 'Homeward Borne' became a

best-seller. She wrote three more novels, the last in 1958. "

Comment: this pilot thing impresses me. Chatterton was acquainted with

Amelia Earhart, who was the first woman to obtain an aviator's licence.

Earhart had an exalted Moon; her Sun, Mercury and Ketu in Cancer; and her

Moon, ascendant and Saturn in Cancer navamsa.

Mythologically these pilot women remind me of the Greek goddess Artemis:

" The daughter of Leto and Zeus, and the twin of Apollo. Artemis is the

goddess of the wilderness, the hunt and wild animals, and fertility (she

became a goddess of fertility and childbirth mainly in cities). She was

often depicted with the crescent of the moon above her forehead and was

sometimes identified with Selene (goddess of the moon). "

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/artemis.html

2. Julio Gallo, 21st March 1910 at 2.00 PM +8.00 Oakland, CA

- A quote from ADB:

" American vintner, a multimillionaire entrepreneur. Julio was in charge of

the winemaking operation of a huge family winery that distributed low price

wines in supermarkets. His partnership with his brother Ernst netted him a

personal income around $1.5 billion. (...)

Julio went into partnership with his older brother Ernest, establishing the

Gallo Brothers Wineries after the repeal of Prohibition. In the

partnership, Julio was in charge of the winemaking operation. He exposed the

family to a strong work ethic. Julio was concerned with preserving some of

the Gallo land as a wildlife refuge. Julio and Ernest were wealthy

contributors to both the Republican and Democratic Parties. They reached

the distinction of being two of the wealthiest Americans of their era with a

fortune estimated at $1.3 billion. "

3. James Reston, 3rd November 1909 at 10.40 Pm 0.00 Clydebank, Scotland

- a Quote from ADB:

" Scottish-American author, journalist, columnist, correspondent and

Executive Director of The New York Times. In a career spanning five

decades, he was the Washington Bureau Chief of the New Times from 1953-1964

and a two time Pulitzer Prize winner. Reston helped to create the nation's

first Op-Ed page in 1970, reserving a page across from newspaper editorials

as a page for columnist's opinion pieces. (...)

His 'Washington' column, which ran in the Times for 25 years, was a

must-read for politicians and fellow journalists. He was once said to be

'the greatest journalist of his generation,' who 'recruited two generations

of journalists at the Times and elsewhere.' Following his outstanding

success as Washington Bureau Chief, he became the Times' Executive Editor. "

Comment: this reminds me of how the ancient Egyptians connected the scribe

god Thoth to the Moon.

4. Gregor Strasser, 31st May 1892 at 9.00 AM -1.00 Geisenfeld, Germany

- A quote from ADB:

" German politician who competed with Hitler for head of the National

Socialist party, an opponent for eight years of political contest.

Serving in the military during WW II, Strasser became a Lieutenant and was

awarded the Iron Cross. Postwar, he became an apothecary up to 1932 when he

sold his shop and entered politics. An able organizer and shrewd operative,

he loved action but was not a strong speaker. "

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Thanks for this task, this cleared the point even more at least to myself.

This path seems really worth exploring.

Regards, Sari

September 6, 2006

Thanks Sari,

terrific info!

I am a beginner in astro realms, at least sidereally, but seems like

sidereal cancers are not wishy washy sentimental people who can be

taken for a ride? as seems the tropical take on it? or is that

perception incorrect.

(BTW both tom cruise and katy holmes have sidereal cancer moons.)

What happens when that sidereal cancer happens to be a late moon say

27 degress and more. Does it lose its 'mooniness'? Does it become more

leo like? Curious if the theory of progression to the next sign hold

true even sidereally/vedically..

BTW tomorrow there's a partial lunar eclipse around 11 am in US or so.

What might be its impact on various astrological categories of people

Thanks

Shiva

( I have had this urge for quite sometime to change my nic to

Shiva..better now than never:))

, " Sari Metsovuori "

<gerdapp wrote:

>

> Bliss wrote:

>

> > Are there any exmaples where sidereal moon in cancer folks were pretty

> > focused and organized? Would be great to know.

>

> Sari:

>

> I took a look at AstroDatabank with people with the Moon on Cancer

> ascendant, no other planets there, so that the " Cancerness " would come

> purely through.

>

> 1. Ruth Chatterton, 24th December 1893 at 7.30 PM +5.00 New York, NY

>

> - A quote from ADB:

>

> " American actress, a writer and a pilot. She took her first stage

job as a

> dare at 14 in a New York chorus line. Her Broadway debut, four

years later,

> was in a turkey that ran for 21 days. By age 21, she was a star in

a Henry

> Miller production. (...) She was a dulcet-voiced movie queen plus a

> tough-minded feminist and pilot of her own plane. In 1950 she

became noted

> as a serious novelist when her first book, 'Homeward Borne' became a

> best-seller. She wrote three more novels, the last in 1958. "

>

> Comment: this pilot thing impresses me. Chatterton was acquainted with

> Amelia Earhart, who was the first woman to obtain an aviator's licence.

> Earhart had an exalted Moon; her Sun, Mercury and Ketu in Cancer;

and her

> Moon, ascendant and Saturn in Cancer navamsa.

>

> Mythologically these pilot women remind me of the Greek goddess Artemis:

>

> " The daughter of Leto and Zeus, and the twin of Apollo. Artemis is the

> goddess of the wilderness, the hunt and wild animals, and fertility

(she

> became a goddess of fertility and childbirth mainly in cities). She was

> often depicted with the crescent of the moon above her forehead and was

> sometimes identified with Selene (goddess of the moon). "

> http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/artemis.html

>

> 2. Julio Gallo, 21st March 1910 at 2.00 PM +8.00 Oakland, CA

>

> - A quote from ADB:

>

> " American vintner, a multimillionaire entrepreneur. Julio was in

charge of

> the winemaking operation of a huge family winery that distributed

low price

> wines in supermarkets. His partnership with his brother Ernst

netted him a

> personal income around $1.5 billion. (...)

>

> Julio went into partnership with his older brother Ernest,

establishing the

> Gallo Brothers Wineries after the repeal of Prohibition. In the

> partnership, Julio was in charge of the winemaking operation. He

exposed the

> family to a strong work ethic. Julio was concerned with preserving

some of

> the Gallo land as a wildlife refuge. Julio and Ernest were wealthy

> contributors to both the Republican and Democratic Parties. They

reached

> the distinction of being two of the wealthiest Americans of their

era with a

> fortune estimated at $1.3 billion. "

>

> 3. James Reston, 3rd November 1909 at 10.40 Pm 0.00 Clydebank, Scotland

>

> - a Quote from ADB:

>

> " Scottish-American author, journalist, columnist, correspondent and

> Executive Director of The New York Times. In a career spanning five

> decades, he was the Washington Bureau Chief of the New Times from

1953-1964

> and a two time Pulitzer Prize winner. Reston helped to create the

nation's

> first Op-Ed page in 1970, reserving a page across from newspaper

editorials

> as a page for columnist's opinion pieces. (...)

>

> His 'Washington' column, which ran in the Times for 25 years, was a

> must-read for politicians and fellow journalists. He was once said

to be

> 'the greatest journalist of his generation,' who 'recruited two

generations

> of journalists at the Times and elsewhere.' Following his outstanding

> success as Washington Bureau Chief, he became the Times' Executive

Editor. "

>

> Comment: this reminds me of how the ancient Egyptians connected the

scribe

> god Thoth to the Moon.

>

> 4. Gregor Strasser, 31st May 1892 at 9.00 AM -1.00 Geisenfeld, Germany

>

> - A quote from ADB:

>

> " German politician who competed with Hitler for head of the National

> Socialist party, an opponent for eight years of political contest.

> Serving in the military during WW II, Strasser became a Lieutenant

and was

> awarded the Iron Cross. Postwar, he became an apothecary up to 1932

when he

> sold his shop and entered politics. An able organizer and shrewd

operative,

> he loved action but was not a strong speaker. "

>

> ----------------

>

> Thanks for this task, this cleared the point even more at least to

myself.

> This path seems really worth exploring.

>

> Regards, Sari

>

September 7, 2006

At 06:38 PM 9/6/06 -0000, Bliss wrote:

>Thanks Sari,

>terrific info!

Right, I agree! Sari has an exciting approach to astrology. As one forum

member wrote to me privately: " Sari is so refreshing! And she can disagree

without being disagreeable. "

>I am a beginner in astro realms, at least sidereally, but seems like

>sidereal cancers are not wishy washy sentimental people who can be

>taken for a ride? as seems the tropical take on it? or is that

>perception incorrect.

Rupert Gleadow in YOUR CHARACTER IN THE ZODIAC says that in ancient times

Cancer is described as a sign of the politician. Here is a quote from the

book (p. 72):

" Two thousand years ago there was nothing sentimental about the Moon and

the sea; they suggested travel and trade, and to knock about in the owrld

of those days, it was no use being thin-skinned. so it was the crab's hard

shell which was emphasized then, not the half-hidden sensitiveness on which

modern writers have laid stress.

" There could not be a greater contrast than between the soft sentimental

maternal Canerian of the tropical zodiac and Manilius's hard-boiled banker... "

Then Gleadow gives a long quote from Valens and states: " Here is the

complete politician! The Moon's rulership is obvious in his dependence on

the public and on circumstance.... "

Of course our current president as well as Al Gore has Cancer rising with

planets--and many others in the political sphere as well.

>(BTW both tom cruise and katy holmes have sidereal cancer moons.)

>What happens when that sidereal cancer happens to be a late moon say

>27 degress and more.

All of sidereal Cancer stays the same except for the variable influences of

the nakshatras and stars. In the tropical zodiac, however, the signs change

toward the end reflecting the new unerlying sidereal sign which starts in

the vacinity of 25 degrees or so tropically.

>( I have had this urge for quite sometime to change my nic to

>Shiva..better now than never:))

Are you sure you want to identify yourself with such a powerful destructive

deity?? The Shiva energy is real.

Blessings,

Therese

September 7, 2006

Shiva wrote:

> terrific info!

> I am a beginner in astro realms, at least sidereally, but seems like

> sidereal cancers are not wishy washy sentimental people who can be

> taken for a ride? as seems the tropical take on it? or is that

> perception incorrect.

Sari:

I'm as excited about these findings as you! No, I would say that sidereal

Cancer is not a sentimental wishy washy sign (there's been times that I've

thought it is, but real life observation says repeatedly otherwise).

After I've again studied the Moon and sidereal Cancer, I would say that the

Moon is not so much about emotions as it is about instincts. It is about

motherhood, but not about the kind of warm, loving, sentimental motherhood,

but about caring the baby's basic needs, that it's not hungry, wet, cold,

etc. - that it stays alive. Maybe the Moon is basically about staying alive.

That needs at least elementary organizational skills and practicality.

Mother Moon is always worrying - are you safe, do you have enough clothes

on, do you have your stomach filled...

I connect the Moon with enneagram type 6 - the fear type. Type Six is about

safety, trust and authorities. Like the Moon mirrors Sun's light, the Six

seeks authority that would tell it how things are. But as soon as it finds

an authority nominate, it starts to question it. It worries what will

happen, if it surrenders to an authority that proves to be untrustworthy.

Enneagram experts write about two types of Sixes: the phobic and the

counter-phobic type. The counter-phobic type is so afraid about being

afraid, it's instinctive center so overalarmed, that it decides to attack

before it gets attacked. I would think this explains " Super Cancer " GW

Bush's policy in Iraq and other Middle East countries. He explains it so

that the US is only defending itself - by attacking first on a foreign soil.

On Bush Era everything has been about safety, guarding, controlling, fear...

Also the famous lunar intuition stems from the same mechanism. It's a

function of the instincts - perceiving and sensing things, energies and

feelings around. It's not an emotional function, but has more to do with

surviving. Maybe sidereal water in general is not so much about emotions

than it is about instincts.

Shiva wrote:

> What happens when that sidereal cancer happens to be a late moon say

> 27 degress and more. Does it lose its 'mooniness'? Does it become more

> leo like? Curious if the theory of progression to the next sign hold

> true even sidereally/vedically..

Sari:

I agree with Therese here and say that this amalgamation of signs in

their last degrees is a purely tropical phenomenon. On the sidereal

zodiac the sign is what it is to the last minute. If there's something

that wouldn't seem to fit, it then becomes a question of ayanamsas...

Regards, Sari

December 26, 2008

Dear professor,

Some generic queries regarding SA.

How do we filter the results of a natally strong planet? i.e. when

does it gives its results?

For e.g. lets take a fast-moving FB like Moon.

Will it bless with its significations, ONLY during the course of its

sub-periods (which may be just 3-4 in an average persons lifetime)?

Moon as we know is very volatile & often weak in transit - in such a

case the TTT are very short lived except for the natal to transit

impact of such a moon on slow moving FB.

So lets say, taking example of libra ascendant, if I have to look at

professional growth of a person( or promotion ) & their being no other

primary determinant of profession in this case, how do I go about

predicting it? If I wait for the next sub-period of moon, that may be

7-8 ahead & if I look at transit the only ones I can look at is impact

of slow moving FB on a strong natal moon or 10th house. Right?

Now if I have a chart( Libra Asc ) in hand in which the Saturn &

Jupiter are not strong, but Moon is strong, how can I go about

predicting something significant related to Moon or the 10th house?

Basically what I am trying to understand is that, in case the slow

moving planets are weak or they are FM( as in case of Cancer Asc) how

do we time the events on the basis on strong fast moving FB's like Sun

or Moon?

Respected list members, your thoughts based on your experience on the

above mentioned are welcome.

Regards,

Himanshu

December 27, 2008

Hello Himanshu,

Strong planets during their sub periods give good results barring the

unfavorable prolonged transit influences.

Strong planets, when also strong in transit, bless with general good results of

their significations and the house ruled by these planets even when there sub

period is not in operation. For example when the Moon is strong for a Libra

born native, it will good results regarding profession even when the sub period

of the Moon is not in operation.

Best wishes.

-

rainysky_33

Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:48 AM