Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Inder Jit Sahni <isawhney wrote: I read a few messages where you speak of retrograde planets and their> effects. However I did not understand. Would you be so kind as to> explain them to me. Perhaps you can tell me about the effects of> Retro planets in my chart, or in the chart of someone notable?>> My info is:>> July 25th, 1973 Aprox. 3:30 am> Chihuahua, Mexico> 106-05 W> 28-38N> 6:00 west of GMT>> I am not sure if I am Taurus or Gemini Lagna, most probably Gemini.>Dear Alexdro,I prefer to answer such questions on board. I am replying you in part , 1stis time verification.I checked your case at 7.59 AM on 16.10.2004 at my place.The ruling planet signifying ascendent are Venus Rahu and Venus with Moonketu and Mercury in ascendent.I do apply the ruling planets as others in KP for selecting workablesignificators , but for time rectification i give weight to planets relatedto ascenent, ascendent lord and planets strengthning or aspecting ascendent.As mango will give birth to mango, so the present time connected planetswith asc will certainily identify birth time ascendent.As mercury is there in ascendent I agree with Mercury as your sign lord. OK so Lagna is Gemini. Rahu is in Mars sign Ketu sub. Mars as your constelation lord is alsoagreed.Ketu will stay in ascendent .I am not satified with sub lord as the same Mercury again.In stead if i move to the previous sign , as Tauras, then with Saturn subandPerhaps your time has more error than you expect.What is the source of your birth time? Birth Certificate. According to a technique mentioned in one of the KP lists, Lagna Sub should be the same as Moon star. Do you agree with this? Any way it does not effect Jupiter retograde reading, Your Jupiter is incapricorn with aspect of a friendly planet Sun and reto grade Mercury. Inthe back house you have Rahu aspected by Saturn . Actualy Rahu degrees aremore than Saturn and Venus trine from leo are more than Saturn and less thanRahu. Thus when Jupiter look at back sign it actualy looks at Saturn +Venus+ Rahu. It shows a change from the proffesion to a better one. Jupiter nexthouse has Saturn +venus + Ketu effect. Correct me If I'm wrong. Jupiter as 10th house significator of profession indicates a change to a better profession because it is retrograde and gives signification or shall we say aspects 7th house and then later in life it gives signification of 9th house? If it were NOT retrograde then what influence would it have? That of the next house? This al;so shows that even you may be doing good in your present occupation, but you will prefer to change your way of working as Ketu is a planet ofliberation where as Rahu is a planet of illusion will attract more to Saturnand Venus. What do you mean by 'attract more to Sat and Venus'? I have changed occupation many times in my life and have been successful at none. I lack persistance. This will happen only after 36th year not before.These are nadi effects.But it clarifies that Jupiter reto gression is good for you. Why 36th year? Sorry for all the questions, but I am learning. What else can I do? : ) Best Regards Alexandro Forward this mail for others on the list.With Best wishes,Inder Jit Sahni, House No.1351-HIG, Model Town Phase-1Bhatinda-151001 phone 0164-2211360hanskpvedic vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Sreekumar, Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, they indicate strong desires in the particular area they represent. It is not really a matter of the retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just makes the result the planet is going to give naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise out of debilitation to a very high height of exaltation, and vice versa. Hope this helps. Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: Dear Learned Members, What are the effects of Retrograde planets . Do we have any dictum on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading many text and opinions of astrologers on this . Some say , regtrograde planets are very bad and some say retrograde plantes is good , as it is full of strengths Also some says it depends on planet to planet etc . Is there any simple dictum , that i can refer to and apply in charts . Your help is highly solicitated thanks & regards Sreekumar Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sreekumar and Michal, Namaskar There is a dictum in BPHS, that if a benefic is retrograde and placed in a dusthana, it can ensure longevity very strongly, but if its afflicted by malefics, then this is very malefic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski 10 March 2006 10:33 sohamsa Re: Retrograde Planets :: Hare Rama Krsna :: Dear Sreekumar, Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, they indicate strong desires in the particular area they represent. It is not really a matter of the retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just makes the result the planet is going to give naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise out of debilitation to a very high height of exaltation, and vice versa. Hope this helps. Michal :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: Dear Learned Members, What are the effects of Retrograde planets . Do we have any dictum on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading many text and opinions of astrologers on this . Some say , regtrograde planets are very bad and some say retrograde plantes is good , as it is full of strengths Also some says it depends on planet to planet etc . Is there any simple dictum , that i can refer to and apply in charts . Your help is highly solicitated thanks & regards Sreekumar Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Visti , Michal, Thanks a lot for sharing your knowlege on this . thanks & regards Sreekumar Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sreekumar and Michal, Namaskar There is a dictum in BPHS, that if a benefic is retrograde and placed in a dusthana, it can ensure longevity very strongly, but if its afflicted by malefics, then this is very malefic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski10 March 2006 10:33sohamsa Subject: Re: Retrograde Planets :: Hare Rama Krsna ::Dear Sreekumar,Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, they indicate strong desires in the particular area they represent. It is not really a matter of the retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just makes the result the planet is going to give naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise out of debilitation to a very high height of exaltation, and vice versa.Hope this helps.Michal:: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: Dear Learned Members, What are the effects of Retrograde planets . Do we have any dictum on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading many text and opinions of astrologers on this . Some say , regtrograde planets are very bad and some say retrograde plantes is good , as it is full of strengths Also some says it depends on planet to planet etc . Is there any simple dictum , that i can refer to and apply in charts . Your help is highly solicitated thanks & regards Sreekumar Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear Visiti Ji , Michal ji , Pranams Can maleific planet in Retrograde aspected by benific can turn to be benific thanks & regards Sreekumar Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sreekumar and Michal, Namaskar There is a dictum in BPHS, that if a benefic is retrograde and placed in a dusthana, it can ensure longevity very strongly, but if its afflicted by malefics, then this is very malefic. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski10 March 2006 10:33sohamsa Subject: Re: Retrograde Planets :: Hare Rama Krsna ::Dear Sreekumar,Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, they indicate strong desires in the particular area they represent. It is not really a matter of the retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just makes the result the planet is going to give naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise out of debilitation to a very high height of exaltation, and vice versa.Hope this helps.Michal:: Om Namo Narayanaya ::Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: Dear Learned Members, What are the effects of Retrograde planets . Do we have any dictum on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading many text and opinions of astrologers on this . Some say , regtrograde planets are very bad and some say retrograde plantes is good , as it is full of strengths Also some says it depends on planet to planet etc . Is there any simple dictum , that i can refer to and apply in charts . Your help is highly solicitated thanks & regards Sreekumar Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear all, Please clarify, Saturn is Yogkarak for Tula Rashi and Tula Lagna, If Rashi and Lagna is Tula and Saturn is Retrograde in 10th House and Venus is Retrograde in 4th House. Will both the planets be benefic? Jupiter and Moon in Lagna Merc in 2nd House Sun in 3rd House Venus is Retrograde in 4th House Rahu in 6th Mars is in 7th house Saturn Retrograde in 10th house Will yogas like malavya and Sasha be formed because Saturn and Venus are in kendra to Lagna and to moon. --- Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: > Dear Visiti Ji , Michal ji , Pranams > > Can maleific planet in Retrograde aspected by > benific > can turn to be benific > > thanks & regards > > Sreekumar > > Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape > {behavior:url(#default#VML);} > st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Sreekumar and Michal, Namaskar > There is a dictum in BPHS, that if a benefic is > retrograde and placed in a dusthana, it can ensure > longevity very strongly, but if its afflicted by > malefics, then this is very malefic. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > *** > > > > > sohamsa > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Michal > Dziwulski > 10 March 2006 10:33 > sohamsa > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > :: Hare Rama Krsna :: > > Dear Sreekumar, > > Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, > they indicate strong desires in the particular area > they represent. It is not really a matter of the > retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just > makes the result the planet is going to give > naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a > debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise > out of debilitation to a very high height of > exaltation, and vice versa. > > Hope this helps. > Michal > > :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: > > Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: > Dear Learned Members, > > > > What are the effects of Retrograde planets > . Do we have any dictum > > on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading > many text and opinions > > of astrologers on this . Some say , > regtrograde planets are very bad > > and some say retrograde plantes is good , > as it is full of strengths > > Also some says it depends on planet to > planet etc . > > > > Is there any simple dictum , that i can > refer to and apply in charts . > > > > Your help is highly solicitated > > > > > > thanks & regards > > > > Sreekumar > > Cars NEW - sell your car and browse > thousands of new and used cars online search now > > > > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 As per my personal experience, jupiter had been bad for me, although it is debilitated and retrograde.It is weak, placed in dusthana. Herewith attaching my chart details. As - Leo 1st house - Ve 2nd house - Pl, Ur 4 ==> Ne 5 ==> Ra 8 ==> Ju 8 ==> Ma 11 ==> Sa, Me, Ke 12 ==> Mo, Su Gurujis please respond. brgds, hency sohamsa , " Visti Larsen " <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sreekumar and Michal, Namaskar > > There is a dictum in BPHS, that if a benefic is retrograde and placed in a > dusthana, it can ensure longevity very strongly, but if its afflicted by > malefics, then this is very malefic. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of > Michal Dziwulski > 10 March 2006 10:33 > sohamsa > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > > :: Hare Rama Krsna :: > > Dear Sreekumar, > > Retrograde planets are said to be 3 times as strong, they indicate strong > desires in the particular area they represent. It is not really a matter of > the retrogration being inherently good or bad, it just makes the result the > planet is going to give naturally, that much stronger. Also, if a > debilitated planet is retrograde, then it can rise out of debilitation to a > very high height of exaltation, and vice versa. > > Hope this helps. > Michal > > :: Om Namo Narayanaya :: > > Sreekumar Ambalath <skumar_astro wrote: > > Dear Learned Members, > > > > What are the effects of Retrograde planets . Do we have any dictum > > on BHPS on these . Iam confused by reading many text and opinions > > of astrologers on this . Some say , regtrograde planets are very bad > > and some say retrograde plantes is good , as it is full of strengths > > Also some says it depends on planet to planet etc . > > > > Is there any simple dictum , that i can refer to and apply in charts . > > > > Your help is highly solicitated > > > > > > thanks & regards > > > > Sreekumar > > > > > > _____ > > > <http://us.rd./mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http:/uk.cars. .c > om/> Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars > online search > <http://us.rd./mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http:/uk.cars. .c > om/> now > > _____ > > > > _____ > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New > <http://pa./*http:/us.rd./evt=39174/*http:/photomai l.mail. > > PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2006 Report Share Posted October 14, 2006 Respected Ramesh Ji, As far as my little knowledge is concerned, retrograde planets, are not given any weightage in LalKitab Padhati. It is a simple Padhhati, in my opinion, written in a language understandable by general people. It is totally a different concept, hence, in my views, you keep aside all the rules and regulations studied in other branches of astrology, to understnd it better. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " rameshchojha " <rameshchojha wrote: > > Dear Sir, Can some body let me know in details about retograde planets > as per lal kitab. > Specially 11th house. > Regards > Ramesh Ojha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Mr. A.V. pathi, Kindly refer any book on modern Astronomy. All the above information and much more than that will be available in these books. I suggest you may read the book 'COSMOS' by CAR SAGAN. this BOOK WILL BE EASILY available in the market. Regards, G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Wendy, Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery: It is like a person was suddenly stopped in her tracks and forced to take a step or two back, just by the sheer force and energy of whatever she encountered and in taking that step or two backwards (sometimes more), after the breath returned, saw the big picture! Or bigger picture, at the very least! I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter! Namastay -- and thanks for all the personal time and interest you are investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child! Rohiniranjan jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Thank you for sending the link to your article. I agree (in part) with your > assessment, particularly the motional strength attributed to retrograde > motion. > My understanding however is that whatever the retrograde planet indicates, > as per nature, lordship, dignity etc, will manifest (through that bhava) in > a pronounced way due to the strength attributed by its slower motion. I > further understand that the bhava who's lord is retrograde may suffer on > account of this... > > You Wrote: > *From the perspective of karma, expansion seems to be one of the significant > 'life-tasks' for nativities with a retrograde Jupiter. The symbolism is > obvious! The individual is presented with opportunities for expansion (of > body, mind, spirit, ideologies; of boundaries in general).* > > From this I assume you're implying that retrograde Jupiter can indicate > expansion in regards to the body (leading to weight problems) as well as > expansion in regards to mind, spirit, ideologies etc.. > > Have I understood this correctly? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " RR " <rohini_ranjan > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:06 PM > Re: Fw: Final Dispositor in Vargottama > > > Dear Wendy, > > Saturn = Dry humour/humor! > The bane <sigh> at times, even when Hermes was not looking back ...! > > As far as much touted (by some schools) retrogrades are concerned I offer > the following, if I may: > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00316.htm > > Thanks for the cautionary note, but has this repetitive *transit* influence > the first occurance or has it presented earlier too, a few times, many > times? > > That is an important consideration, a seasoned divinator like you must > consider, I hope? Or am I not understanding your pronouncements and these > kind warnings? > > RR > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Rohini, ///I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter!/// I found nothing facetious about the article at all...why would I? ///thanks for all the personal time and interest you are investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child!/// Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a little when given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some negativity will not be far behind. I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have little choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for everyone, is it not :-) No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I have little choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is simply the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more importance on it than that. Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more will not and will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I have absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the day when I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For now though, if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive it, I will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so be it! ///Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery:/// Indeed you're correct! Jupiter is known as the planet of expansion... Expansion of happiness is his essential nature; and, as you've suggested, expansion in other areas (including physical body) can occur under certain conditions. According to the dictums of jyotish, Jupiter is a strong 'kapha' planet and when occupying a 'kapha sign' (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces) can indicate an excess of this dosha in the physiology leading to problems associated with weight (excess weight). If the interest is there I can present a chart for study with Rx Jupiter aspecting lagna from Gemini (a tri-dosha sign). This native has maintained a normal weight throughout his adult life and, in fact, was somewhat on the thin side (tall and lanky) in his youth and early adulthood. Other charts I have of natives with non-retrograde Jupiter in Cancer/Pisces have had lifelong issues with excess weight. Yet another with debilitated Rx Jupiter in lagna (in exchange with lagna lord Saturn IN PISCES) has battled with excess weight for most of her life... The statement that Rx Jupiter per se gives issues with (body) expansion could be a little misleading if we were to take that as a blanket statement without considering the overall condition of Jupiter...wouldn't you agree :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 12:49 PM Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendy, Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery: It is like a person was suddenly stopped in her tracks and forced to take a step or two back, just by the sheer force and energy of whatever she encountered and in taking that step or two backwards (sometimes more), after the breath returned, saw the big picture! Or bigger picture, at the very least! I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter! Namastay -- and thanks for all the personal time and interest you are investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I agree with Wendy.....to a certain extent.However Ihave observed that BENEFICS whaich are retro give desires and a false belief of being able to bestow the blessings signified by them but usually these remain unattainale....while Malefics retro create much pain. --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Rohini, > > Thank you for sending the link to your article. I > agree (in part) with your > assessment, particularly the motional strength > attributed to retrograde > motion. > My understanding however is that whatever the > retrograde planet indicates, > as per nature, lordship, dignity etc, will manifest > (through that bhava) in > a pronounced way due to the strength attributed by > its slower motion. I > further understand that the bhava who's lord is > retrograde may suffer on > account of this... > > You Wrote: > *From the perspective of karma, expansion seems to > be one of the significant > 'life-tasks' for nativities with a retrograde > Jupiter. The symbolism is > obvious! The individual is presented with > opportunities for expansion (of > body, mind, spirit, ideologies; of boundaries in > general).* > > From this I assume you're implying that retrograde > Jupiter can indicate > expansion in regards to the body (leading to weight > problems) as well as > expansion in regards to mind, spirit, ideologies > etc.. > > Have I understood this correctly? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " RR " <rohini_ranjan > <jyotish-vidya > > Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:06 PM > Re: Fw: Final Dispositor in > Vargottama > > > Dear Wendy, > > Saturn = Dry humour/humor! > The bane <sigh> at times, even when Hermes was not > looking back ...! > > As far as much touted (by some schools) retrogrades > are concerned I offer > the following, if I may: > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00316.htm > > Thanks for the cautionary note, but has this > repetitive *transit* influence > the first occurance or has it presented earlier too, > a few times, many > times? > > That is an important consideration, a seasoned > divinator like you must > consider, I hope? Or am I not understanding your > pronouncements and these > kind warnings? > > RR > > sid ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dear Wendyji I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the planets karaka or bhava. Pl correct me if I am wrong. I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. In these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are exceptions? regards savithri Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Rohini, ///I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter!/// I found nothing facetious about the article at all...why would I? ///thanks for all the personal time and interest you are investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child!/// Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a little when given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some negativity will not be far behind. I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have little choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for everyone, is it not :-) No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I have little choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is simply the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more importance on it than that. Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more will not and will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I have absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the day when I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For now though, if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive it, I will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so be it! ///Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery:/// Indeed you're correct! Jupiter is known as the planet of expansion... Expansion of happiness is his essential nature; and, as you've suggested, expansion in other areas (including physical body) can occur under certain conditions. According to the dictums of jyotish, Jupiter is a strong 'kapha' planet and when occupying a 'kapha sign' (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces) can indicate an excess of this dosha in the physiology leading to problems associated with weight (excess weight). If the interest is there I can present a chart for study with Rx Jupiter aspecting lagna from Gemini (a tri-dosha sign). This native has maintained a normal weight throughout his adult life and, in fact, was somewhat on the thin side (tall and lanky) in his youth and early adulthood. Other charts I have of natives with non-retrograde Jupiter in Cancer/Pisces have had lifelong issues with excess weight. Yet another with debilitated Rx Jupiter in lagna (in exchange with lagna lord Saturn IN PISCES) has battled with excess weight for most of her life... The statement that Rx Jupiter per se gives issues with (body) expansion could be a little misleading if we were to take that as a blanket statement without considering the overall condition of Jupiter...wouldn't you agree :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 12:49 PM Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendy, Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery: It is like a person was suddenly stopped in her tracks and forced to take a step or two back, just by the sheer force and energy of whatever she encountered and in taking that step or two backwards (sometimes more), after the breath returned, saw the big picture! Or bigger picture, at the very least! I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter! Namastay -- and thanks for all the personal time and interest you are investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child! Rohiniranjan Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Sidharth, ///Ihave observed that BENEFICS whaich are retro give desires and a false belief of being able to bestow the blessings signified by them but usually these remain unattainale.../// Would this not be expected from a Rx bhava lord i.e. the promise of the bhava is unfulfilled? ///while Malefics retro create much pain./// Malefics normally do, don't they? The strength attained through Rx motion simply increasing this tendency, surely? Whilst the houses they rule likewise suffer... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " sidharth arora " <drsidharth_a <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 3:00 PM Re: Retrograde Planets I agree with Wendy.....to a certain extent.However Ihave observed that BENEFICS whaich are retro give desires and a false belief of being able to bestow the blessings signified by them but usually these remain unattainale....while Malefics retro create much pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Savithri, An important point here of course is the influence on lagna (physical body)... I would like to look at the charts if you have time. They can, of course, remain anonymous :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 4:02 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Savithri, ///I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the planets karaka or bhava./// The grahas (all) are the custodians of our karma/desires (resulting from past actions). Why single out retro planets specifically? ///I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. In these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are exceptions?/// Let's look at the charts :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 3:44 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendyji I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the planets karaka or bhava. Pl correct me if I am wrong. I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. In these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are exceptions? regards savithri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Wendy, One planet or its state, direct or retro etc alone would not be sufficient to cause obesity. In fact I generally like to do quick tests when such thoughts arise or when I run into. Here are the results of a quick armchair experiment/survey carried out using Astrodatabank software in the category of cases with weight problems. I chose to take a quick look at the distribution of Jupiter (D or Rx) together and separately, in the Fire, Earth, Air, Water category of signs, as well as Jupiter in the 1st or 6th house and as lord of 6th house. Interesting results! Definitely needs more work but like I said: interesting results... 18578 human charts those with weight issues = 217 Jupiter distribution in: fire sign 57 earth sign 50 air sign 51 water sign 59 Ju Rx 59 JU not Rx 158 (includes stationary, SD etc) Ju Direct 130 Jupiter Retro 59* Fire 21 earth 12 air 9 water 17 Jupiter Direct 130 Fire 32 Earth 32 Air 33 Water 33 Ju in 6th or 1st 30* Fire 8 Earth 10 Air 4 Water 8 JU in 1 or 6 or Ju lord of 6 =76* Fire 18 Earth 23 Air 14 Water 21 * represents an uneven distribution (sort of! Results of interest as far as potential astro-markers -- subject to further analysis of course!) RR jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > ///I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken > as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter!/// > > I found nothing facetious about the article at all...why would I? > > ///thanks for all the personal time and interest you are > investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being > thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child!/// > > Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a little when > given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some negativity > will not be far behind. > I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have little > choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for > everyone, is it not :-) > No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of > work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I have little > choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is simply > the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more importance > on it than that. > > Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more will not and > will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I have > absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the day when > I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For now though, > if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my > understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive it, I > will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so be it! > > ///Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! > However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery:/// > > Indeed you're correct! Jupiter is known as the planet of expansion... > Expansion of happiness is his essential nature; and, as you've suggested, > expansion in other areas (including physical body) can occur under certain > conditions. > According to the dictums of jyotish, Jupiter is a strong 'kapha' planet and > when occupying a 'kapha sign' (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces) can indicate an > excess of this dosha in the physiology leading to problems associated with > weight (excess weight). > > If the interest is there I can present a chart for study with Rx Jupiter > aspecting lagna from Gemini (a tri-dosha sign). This native has maintained a > normal weight throughout his adult life and, in fact, was somewhat on the > thin side (tall and lanky) in his youth and early adulthood. > Other charts I have of natives with non-retrograde Jupiter in Cancer/Pisces > have had lifelong issues with excess weight. Yet another with debilitated Rx > Jupiter in lagna (in exchange with lagna lord Saturn IN PISCES) has battled > with excess weight for most of her life... > > The statement that Rx Jupiter per se gives issues with (body) expansion > could be a little misleading if we were to take that as a blanket statement > without considering the overall condition of Jupiter...wouldn't you agree > :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan > <jyotish-vidya > > Monday, February 04, 2008 12:49 PM > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > Dear Wendy, > > Thanks! Yes expanding physically could be an interpretation or JuRx! > However, to me retrogression had always brought this imagery: > > It is like a person was suddenly stopped in her tracks and forced to > take a step or two back, just by the sheer force and energy of > whatever she encountered and in taking that step or two backwards > (sometimes more), after the breath returned, saw the big picture! Or > bigger picture, at the very least! > > I hope the above makes sense to you and others and is not just taken > as another facetious interpretation through a Saturnian filter! > > Namastay -- and thanks for all the personal time and interest you are > investing on this forum. I bet for the most part without being > thanked enough or at all, which is after all your brain child! > > Rohiniranjan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear members Here is a case with Retro planets Male DOB 31-1-1991 TOB 4:30am POB Panipat, India has retro Sa, Ju Female DOB 13-3-1967 TOB 1:48pm POB Trichur, Kerala, India has retro Ma, Me Thanks Prabha On Mon, Feb 4, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > Dear Savithri, > > An important point here of course is the influence on lagna (physical > body)... > > I would like to look at the charts if you have time. > They can, of course, remain anonymous :-) > > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya<jyotishvidya%40bigpond.com> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, February 04, 2008 4:02 PM > Re: Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Savithri, > > ///I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled > desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the > planets karaka or bhava./// > > The grahas (all) are the custodians of our karma/desires (resulting from > past actions). Why single out retro planets specifically? > > ///I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the > natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. > In > these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are > exceptions?/// > > Let's look at the charts :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > - > " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000<savithri_mahesh2000%40> > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > Monday, February 04, 2008 3:44 PM > Re: Re: Retrograde Planets > > Dear Wendyji > > I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled > desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the > planets karaka or bhava. > > Pl correct me if I am wrong. > > I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the > natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. > In > these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are > exceptions? > > regards > savithri > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dr. Siddharth, Natural benefics or functional benefics, or both? Thanks, RR PS: Natural benefics are like normal saline, functional benefics are like powerful antibiotics or anticancer drugs as I was once given the analogy which I found very interesting! jyotish-vidya , sidharth arora <drsidharth_a wrote: > > I agree with Wendy.....to a certain extent.However > Ihave observed that BENEFICS whaich are retro give > desires and a false belief of being able to bestow the > blessings signified by them but usually these remain > unattainale....while Malefics retro create much pain. > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > Thank you for sending the link to your article. I > > agree (in part) with your > > assessment, particularly the motional strength > > attributed to retrograde > > motion. > > My understanding however is that whatever the > > retrograde planet indicates, > > as per nature, lordship, dignity etc, will manifest > > (through that bhava) in > > a pronounced way due to the strength attributed by > > its slower motion. I > > further understand that the bhava who's lord is > > retrograde may suffer on > > account of this... > > > > You Wrote: > > *From the perspective of karma, expansion seems to > > be one of the significant > > 'life-tasks' for nativities with a retrograde > > Jupiter. The symbolism is > > obvious! The individual is presented with > > opportunities for expansion (of > > body, mind, spirit, ideologies; of boundaries in > > general).* > > > > From this I assume you're implying that retrograde > > Jupiter can indicate > > expansion in regards to the body (leading to weight > > problems) as well as > > expansion in regards to mind, spirit, ideologies > > etc.. > > > > Have I understood this correctly? > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > jyotish-vidya > > ___ > > > > > > - > > " RR " <rohini_ranjan > > <jyotish-vidya > > > Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:06 PM > > Re: Fw: Final Dispositor in > > Vargottama > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > Saturn = Dry humour/humor! > > The bane <sigh> at times, even when Hermes was not > > looking back ...! > > > > As far as much touted (by some schools) retrogrades > > are concerned I offer > > the following, if I may: > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00316.htm > > > > Thanks for the cautionary note, but has this > > repetitive *transit* influence > > the first occurance or has it presented earlier too, > > a few times, many > > times? > > > > That is an important consideration, a seasoned > > divinator like you must > > consider, I hope? Or am I not understanding your > > pronouncements and these > > kind warnings? > > > > RR > > > > > > > sid > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Wendy, I hope you will not mind my quoting only portions of your message and trust these coming from a fellow-jyotishi who shares the same devotion towards jyotish as I believe you do too! In your recent sharings I see shades of what I have experienced too as I walked the path of jyotish, and particularly internet jyotish (or perhaps a wider and larger tent in this " sandy " silicon desert that we have all been engulfed by over the last couple of decades! For good, bad and/or the ugly!! I have been around for some years and on a variety of forums and systems and so on! I have been supported, protected as well as attacked and abused, publicly and privately and sometimes I begin to wonder why do I even bother? I have really tried desperately to find the personal excuse which will justify my involvement but there is really none! Compared to other similar forums/fora, this place is different! While there are certain exclusions that I instinctively feel uncomfortable with as I read in some of the exchanges, I also see the 'reasons' behind those! Compared to other fora, I see that this one is dutifully and sincerely monitored, proctored and that makes the posters feel " safe " ! Safe enough to share their inner thoughts and very personal experiences and not be attacked willy nilly! Please keep it that way, whether you have to read 600 or 2 messages daily! Oh and another little thing: Not all " Thank You's " are insincere! Even in this Kaliyuga!! Best Regards, Rohiniranjan jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: >... > Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a little when > given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some negativity > will not be far behind. > I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have little > choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for > everyone, is it not :-) > No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of > work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I have little > choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is simply > the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more importance > on it than that. > > Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more will not and > will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I have > absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the day when > I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For now though, > if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my > understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive it, I > will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so be it! > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 God bless you dear Rohini and all others who have responded to this thread :-) I'm biting at the bit to look at the charts that have been offered for study. Unfortunately though I have to tend to a few things off list before I can do so. Need to get to the bank quickly to transfer some funds to my Son's account... Oh! Lord the strain of motherhood, I was hanging on to those funds to pay for my little dog's operation on Friday...will just have to coax my poor husband, who's in bed with a bad back, back to work tomorrow. Also had news this morning that my last surviving sister, diagnosed with Colon cancer a few months ago, now finds it's spread to her liver. As you can imagine, my head's all over the place at the moment...so I beg a little patience from those interested in the Jupiter Rx thread. I WILL get back to it as soon as I can... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:04 PM Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendy, I hope you will not mind my quoting only portions of your message and trust these coming from a fellow-jyotishi who shares the same devotion towards jyotish as I believe you do too! In your recent sharings I see shades of what I have experienced too as I walked the path of jyotish, and particularly internet jyotish (or perhaps a wider and larger tent in this " sandy " silicon desert that we have all been engulfed by over the last couple of decades! For good, bad and/or the ugly!! I have been around for some years and on a variety of forums and systems and so on! I have been supported, protected as well as attacked and abused, publicly and privately and sometimes I begin to wonder why do I even bother? I have really tried desperately to find the personal excuse which will justify my involvement but there is really none! Compared to other similar forums/fora, this place is different! While there are certain exclusions that I instinctively feel uncomfortable with as I read in some of the exchanges, I also see the 'reasons' behind those! Compared to other fora, I see that this one is dutifully and sincerely monitored, proctored and that makes the posters feel " safe " ! Safe enough to share their inner thoughts and very personal experiences and not be attacked willy nilly! Please keep it that way, whether you have to read 600 or 2 messages daily! Oh and another little thing: Not all " Thank You's " are insincere! Even in this Kaliyuga!! Best Regards, Rohiniranjan jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: >... > Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a little when > given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some negativity > will not be far behind. > I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have little > choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for > everyone, is it not :-) > No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of > work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I have little > choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is simply > the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more importance > on it than that. > > Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more will not and > will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I have > absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the day when > I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For now though, > if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my > understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive it, I > will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so be it! > ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Dear Wendyji I am giving the following charts data: 24.oct 1954 at Hyderabad India Time 4.30PM 3 April 1979 at Nagpur Time 2.18PM The first native is medium built fair. He is very refined a successful banker still working. His children are well educated and employed. The second native is a handsome slim youngman 6ft tall. Fair and disciplined cultured and working as a software engineer. He is doing well in his job. I am searching for one more data which I am unable to get where the Guru is in Meena. He is also slim tall and working for a bank. regards savithri Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote: Dear Savithri, An important point here of course is the influence on lagna (physical body)... I would like to look at the charts if you have time. They can, of course, remain anonymous :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 4:02 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Savithri, ///I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the planets karaka or bhava./// The grahas (all) are the custodians of our karma/desires (resulting from past actions). Why single out retro planets specifically? ///I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. In these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are exceptions?/// Let's look at the charts :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000 <jyotish-vidya > Monday, February 04, 2008 3:44 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendyji I understand that retro planets denote an inherent strong unfulfilled desire of past birth. The desires we have to infer depending upon the planets karaka or bhava. Pl correct me if I am wrong. I have come across few charts of non retro guru in Karka/Meena and the natives are not on the fatter side on the other hand they trim and slim. In these charts even sani is not aspecting guru. Can we say they are exceptions? regards savithri Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Savithri, Thank you for offering these charts. A common factor in both is the influence of Moon on lagna. As we know, our physical body type/constitution is seen from lagna and, naturally, any tendency towards excess weight etc will reflect through this house. Moon's dosha is vata/kapha....more vata when decreasing in brightness (waning); increasingly more kapha when gaining brightness. In the first chart (Pisces rising), Jupiter, in Cancer, occupies nakshatra of Saturn (a strong vata planet) whilst waning Moon aspects lagna. In second chart (Cancer rising) Jupiter occupies lagna in nakshatra of Saturn whilst lagna lord Moon occupies 12th in nakshatra of Rahu (a vata planet). The reason for the rule that Jupiter in a water sign can indicate problems with weight is the possible excess of kapha dosha in the physiology. Again, this (like all rules) is meant to be a guide and should be applied with common-sense based on a basic understanding of the humours/temperament of the grahas etc.. It would be so very easy if every dictum applied to every horoscope verbatim...but this is not how we find it to be...every horoscope is unique and needs to be judged on its own merits. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " SAVITHRI MAHESH " <savithri_mahesh2000 <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:12 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Wendyji I am giving the following charts data: 24.oct 1954 at Hyderabad India Time 4.30PM 3 April 1979 at Nagpur Time 2.18PM The first native is medium built fair. He is very refined a successful banker still working. His children are well educated and employed. The second native is a handsome slim youngman 6ft tall. Fair and disciplined cultured and working as a software engineer. He is doing well in his job. I am searching for one more data which I am unable to get where the Guru is in Meena. He is also slim tall and working for a bank. regards savithri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 PS: To compare, here is the chart of a native who's had an ongoing battle with weight for most of his adult life. He has lagna lord Jupiter in Pisces. No aspects on lagna other than Jupiter's occupation in nakshatra of Mercury (a tri dosha planet). Interesting to note that, although Moon is not aspecting lagna, it occupies Cancer in Jupiter's nakshatra. Male 28 Jan 1964 (10:50am) Melbourne, Australia Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ - " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:18 PM Re: Re: Retrograde Planets Dear Savithri, Thank you for offering these charts. A common factor in both is the influence of Moon on lagna. As we know, our physical body type/constitution is seen from lagna and, naturally, any tendency towards excess weight etc will reflect through this house. Moon's dosha is vata/kapha....more vata when decreasing in brightness (waning); increasingly more kapha when gaining brightness. In the first chart (Pisces rising), Jupiter, in Cancer, occupies nakshatra of Saturn (a strong vata planet) whilst waning Moon aspects lagna. In second chart (Cancer rising) Jupiter occupies lagna in nakshatra of Saturn whilst lagna lord Moon occupies 12th in nakshatra of Rahu (a vata planet). The reason for the rule that Jupiter in a water sign can indicate problems with weight is the possible excess of kapha dosha in the physiology. Again, this (like all rules) is meant to be a guide and should be applied with common-sense based on a basic understanding of the humours/temperament of the grahas etc.. It would be so very easy if every dictum applied to every horoscope verbatim...but this is not how we find it to be...every horoscope is unique and needs to be judged on its own merits. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com jyotish-vidya ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Wendy, I am very sorry to hear about the challenges you are facing in personal life. My very best wishes extend to you and your family in these moments of difficulty. May this bring you all closer and may all of you emerge stronger from these experiences. May The Kind and All Knowing Mother Goddess look after you all. Rohiniranjan jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > God bless you dear Rohini and all others who have responded to this thread > :-) > > I'm biting at the bit to look at the charts that have been offered for > study. Unfortunately though I have to tend to a few things off list before I > can do so. Need to get to the bank quickly to transfer some funds to my > Son's account... Oh! Lord the strain of motherhood, I was hanging on to > those funds to pay for my little dog's operation on Friday...will just have > to coax my poor husband, who's in bed with a bad back, back to work > tomorrow. > > Also had news this morning that my last surviving sister, diagnosed with > Colon cancer a few months ago, now finds it's spread to her liver. As you > can imagine, my head's all over the place at the moment...so I beg a little > patience from those interested in the Jupiter Rx thread. I WILL get back to > it as soon as I can... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > jyotish-vidya > ___ > > > - > " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan > <jyotish-vidya > > Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:04 PM > Re: Retrograde Planets > > > Dear Wendy, > > I hope you will not mind my quoting only portions of your message and > trust these coming from a fellow-jyotishi who shares the same > devotion towards jyotish as I believe you do too! > > In your recent sharings I see shades of what I have experienced too > as I walked the path of jyotish, and particularly internet jyotish > (or perhaps a wider and larger tent in this " sandy " silicon desert > that we have all been engulfed by over the last couple of decades! > For good, bad and/or the ugly!! > > I have been around for some years and on a variety of forums and > systems and so on! I have been supported, protected as well as > attacked and abused, publicly and privately and sometimes I begin to > wonder why do I even bother? I have really tried desperately to find > the personal excuse which will justify my involvement but there is > really none! > > Compared to other similar forums/fora, this place is different! While > there are certain exclusions that I instinctively feel uncomfortable > with as I read in some of the exchanges, I also see the 'reasons' > behind those! Compared to other fora, I see that this one is > dutifully and sincerely monitored, proctored and that makes the > posters feel " safe " ! Safe enough to share their inner thoughts and > very personal experiences and not be attacked willy nilly! > > Please keep it that way, whether you have to read 600 or 2 messages > daily! > > Oh and another little thing: Not all " Thank You's " are insincere! > Even in this Kaliyuga!! > > Best Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > <jyotishvidya@> wrote: > >... > > Thanks are neither sought nor called for, in fact I shudder a > little when > > given because I know, as sure as night follows day, that some > negativity > > will not be far behind. > > I, like everyone else, am under the control of the grahas and have > little > > choice but to accept what my karma dictates...this is how it is for > > everyone, is it not :-) > > No doubt dasa lord Mercury, exalted in 9th and lord of 6th house of > > work/service, has set the tone for this period in my life and I > have little > > choice but to go along with it. The group, for better or worse, is > simply > > the work I'm engaged in during this dasa period...I put no more > importance > > on it than that. > > > > Some will agree with what I do and support the group, many more > will not and > > will leave after a short stay...this is just the way it is and I > have > > absolutely no ambitions beyond this...in fact I look forward to the > day when > > I can enjoy a peaceful retirement absorbed in inner silence. For > now though, > > if the opportunity is there for me to express, through Mercury, my > > understanding of Vedic astrology, as I've been fortunate to receive > it, I > > will do so...even if there's only one or two people listening...so > be it! > > ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Dear Shuchi ji, Retrograde Planet: In general when the planet is Regrade, it is transgressing a distance the distance it has to have transgressed less with the usual measure of time and distance. In other words, the Planet moves on tangent from its formed orbit around Sun and due to Geo-pull it is dragged to main path of its movement. In working this movement, lot of calculations are involved and usually we relay from established sources (Panchang /Ephemeris)that the Planet is in Retrograding for 'said' period. For Saturn, in my attempt to find a common quotient, I found it takes 138 days every year as retrograde period off in its forward motion (yet in the process of confirmation of the period). Now to find the effect of Saturn when in Retrogression: For a common and average students' understanding, Saturn becomes 'weak' during the reduced refraction of Sun's rays, to cause the 'ill' effect, while relating its effect on Natal chart. But, in its being 'dragged' into its regular 'path' (approximately 56 to 63 days in end of that 138 days), gains greater momentum to be reflecting higher quantum of Refracted rays (high intensity) from the Sun on the Natal chart positions of Planets. This effect is also related to the star zones in which Saturn is passing during those Retrograding days. That is, if it is passing in the houses, its 'consolidated' graded power could be assessed, where the house owner is friendly, where he is termed as exalted, where he is termed as depleted, and where he is passing through temporary friend's house, and also he is being aspect by good/friendly and inimical planets, and selected favorable Zodiac houses,or in the closer vicinity of marked bad planets etc. However, all these effects are also related to the - Vimshothri or any other -Desa (favorable or unfavorable) of Planetary Periods. In other words, it is not easy for one to consummate the related power of Saturn or any other planet in Retrograding status and the period of positive and negative segments of those days of retro-gradation, unless he masters various aspects and effects of concerned Planets in years of experience in Astrology. A.V.Pathi, 103, Black Tie Lane, Chapel Hill,North Carolina, 27514, USA001-919-960-3833 pathiav ( Private readings are chargeable. Please contact me in ID kountinya29) shshukla <shshuklavedic astrology Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:37:19 PM[vedic astrology] Retrograde planets My request to the scholars on-board is to throw some light onretrograde planets. this topic often confuses me. What are the basicrules to follow when judging a retrograde planet in the natal chart?For example I have a retrograde Sani in my fifth house, however, thefact to be noted is that I am of Libra lagna, which puts Sani inmoolatrikona position. I am currently running Shani Mahadasha and amafraid that this Sani may have lost it beneficence due itsretrogression. But I am basing this interpretation on the limitedknowledge that I have. If it helps my birth details are:July 6 19651:20 PM81 E 51' 25 N 27'.Thanks,Shuchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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