Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Dear John, Why do you say that? Margaret Thacher was very good PM for UK! Many successful people have variations of Sarpa Y, as you definitively know. Not even Bush can be easily described as one 'spelling disaster for USA and the world', despite everything we've seen /and to be honest, expecting. Am I missing smthg here ? BTW SarahP is former beauty-queen, mother of five. Yes 5th is political power, with yoga in 7th! Look pretty nice 'qualifiers' to me, some of her beauty may rub-off to...others, e. Regards, Anna --- On Sat, 8/30/08, devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: devibhakt <devibhakt Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:33 PM Our effort is to find out whether or not a person can attain a big office if this combination exists in his/her chart, and not to judge their policies. Let history judge them. So you seem to agree that a person with this combination in the natal chart can attain big offices? DB , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > President Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga which is a variation of the same > Kala Sarpa Yoga. He may have been elected to the presidency. But he > made a catastrophic mistake, with global effects, by attacking Iraq. > > If Palin ever becomes president, she would be disastrous for the USA > and the world for that matter. > > JR > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > wrote: > > > > Although, in my personal view, there is no such thing as kaal sarpa > > yoga but eveb with the definition that is given by modern day > > astrologers, there is a break in the yoga - in this chart, that is. > > > > This combination is present in many successful and known > politicians > > on 20th century. Apparently this yoga is good for politicians. > > > > DB > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste DB, > > > > > > Thanks for the information. The chart shows Palin has a > > conjunction > > > of Mars/Saturn in the 6th house which persists in the navamsha. > > This > > > may cause problems for her in the future. According to present > > news > > > coverage, this conjunction has manifested in her life through a > > > questionable dismissal of a state official in Alaska. > > > > > > She has a Kala Sarpa Yoga which is traditionally considered not > > good > > > for the person. > > > > > > On the positive side, she is running the mahadasha of Jupiter in > > > swakshetra in the rashi chart. So, she is benefitting from the > > good > > > placement of Jupiter and has put her into the national political > > > arena out of the relative anonymity as governor of Alaska. > > > > > > During the mahadasha of Jupiter, it appears that she will do well > > and > > > help McCain during the election. However, I have not seen > McCain's > > > chart. So, I cannot determine if he will win the presidency or > not. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Her birth time is being mentioned as 9:43pm. Mars and Saturn > are > > > > conjunct in 6th house. Jupiter in own house in 7th. Venus > > exalted > > > > in rashi but debilitated in navamsa. Mercury exalted in Rashi > > but > > > > debilitated in navamsa. > > > > > > > > Currently running Jupiter/Moon. Both planets strong in the > > chart. > > > > Moon is exalted in navamsa. > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On her birthday (11th Feb 1964, Sandpoint ID), all planets > were > > > > between > > > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > Many successful politicians are known to have this yoga. > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 , " devibhakt " <devibhakt wrote: > > Our effort is to find out whether or not a person can attain a big > office if this combination exists in his/her chart, and not to judge > their policies. Let history judge them. > > So you seem to agree that a person with this combination in the natal > chart can attain big offices? I'm not certain about this yoga (KSY) as the key factor to political success. Sanjay Rath said that there may be a unique yoga (for political success) of having Saturn and Mercury in the lagna. Both Clinton and Bush have these conjunctions and appear to have carried them to national and world recognition. Traditionally, the Saturn/Mercury yoga is not consdired good as well. It shows that a person has a tendency to hide information while communicating with others. In other words, the person is a liar. I believe we've seen this feature in Clinton when he said, " I've never had sex with that woman " , as he wagged his index finger in front of the the TV cameras. Overall, a jyotishi needs to assess all of the yogas present in the chart to determine a person's potential for political life. JR > > DB > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > President Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga which is a variation of the > same > > Kala Sarpa Yoga. He may have been elected to the presidency. But > he > > made a catastrophic mistake, with global effects, by attacking Iraq. > > > > If Palin ever becomes president, she would be disastrous for the > USA > > and the world for that matter. > > > > JR > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Although, in my personal view, there is no such thing as kaal > sarpa > > > yoga but eveb with the definition that is given by modern day > > > astrologers, there is a break in the yoga - in this chart, that > is. > > > > > > This combination is present in many successful and known > > politicians > > > on 20th century. Apparently this yoga is good for politicians. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste DB, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. The chart shows Palin has a > > > conjunction > > > > of Mars/Saturn in the 6th house which persists in the > navamsha. > > > This > > > > may cause problems for her in the future. According to present > > > news > > > > coverage, this conjunction has manifested in her life through a > > > > questionable dismissal of a state official in Alaska. > > > > > > > > She has a Kala Sarpa Yoga which is traditionally considered not > > > good > > > > for the person. > > > > > > > > On the positive side, she is running the mahadasha of Jupiter > in > > > > swakshetra in the rashi chart. So, she is benefitting from the > > > good > > > > placement of Jupiter and has put her into the national > political > > > > arena out of the relative anonymity as governor of Alaska. > > > > > > > > During the mahadasha of Jupiter, it appears that she will do > well > > > and > > > > help McCain during the election. However, I have not seen > > McCain's > > > > chart. So, I cannot determine if he will win the presidency or > > not. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Her birth time is being mentioned as 9:43pm. Mars and Saturn > > are > > > > > conjunct in 6th house. Jupiter in own house in 7th. Venus > > > exalted > > > > > in rashi but debilitated in navamsa. Mercury exalted in > Rashi > > > but > > > > > debilitated in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Currently running Jupiter/Moon. Both planets strong in the > > > chart. > > > > > Moon is exalted in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On her birthday (11th Feb 1964, Sandpoint ID), all planets > > were > > > > > between > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many successful politicians are known to have this yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Namaste Anna, I have not seen Thatcher's chart. So, I can't comment about her kundali. I agree that the Venus/Jupiter conjunction in the 7th house has made her appealing due to their aspects. She is a fairly good looking woman. It appears that McCain has chosen her because she is relatively young, good looking and a woman. He needed someone to make him look good in terms of perception. Of course, there are other deeper reasons but you can read those in the current media coverage. Regards, JR , 108ar <bona_mente wrote: > > Dear John, > > Why do you say that? Margaret Thacher was very good PM for UK! Many successful people have variations of Sarpa Y, as you definitively know. > Not even Bush can be easily described as one 'spelling disaster for USA and the world', despite everything we've seen /and to be honest, expecting. > > Am I missing smthg here ? > > BTW SarahP is former beauty-queen, mother of five. Yes 5th is political power, with yoga in 7th! Look pretty nice 'qualifiers' to me, > some of her beauty may rub-off to...others, e. > > Regards, > Anna > --- On Sat, 8/30/08, devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: > > devibhakt <devibhakt > Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin > > Saturday, August 30, 2008, 6:33 PM Our effort is to find out whether or not a person can attain a big > office if this combination exists in his/her chart, and not to judge > their policies. Let history judge them. > > So you seem to agree that a person with this combination in the natal > chart can attain big offices? > > DB > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > President Bush has Kala Amrita Yoga which is a variation of the > same > > Kala Sarpa Yoga. He may have been elected to the presidency. But > he > > made a catastrophic mistake, with global effects, by attacking Iraq. > > > > If Palin ever becomes president, she would be disastrous for the > USA > > and the world for that matter. > > > > JR > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Although, in my personal view, there is no such thing as kaal > sarpa > > > yoga but eveb with the definition that is given by modern day > > > astrologers, there is a break in the yoga - in this chart, that > is. > > > > > > This combination is present in many successful and known > > politicians > > > on 20th century. Apparently this yoga is good for politicians. > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste DB, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. The chart shows Palin has a > > > conjunction > > > > of Mars/Saturn in the 6th house which persists in the > navamsha. > > > This > > > > may cause problems for her in the future. According to present > > > news > > > > coverage, this conjunction has manifested in her life through a > > > > questionable dismissal of a state official in Alaska. > > > > > > > > She has a Kala Sarpa Yoga which is traditionally considered not > > > good > > > > for the person. > > > > > > > > On the positive side, she is running the mahadasha of Jupiter > in > > > > swakshetra in the rashi chart. So, she is benefitting from the > > > good > > > > placement of Jupiter and has put her into the national > political > > > > arena out of the relative anonymity as governor of Alaska. > > > > > > > > During the mahadasha of Jupiter, it appears that she will do > well > > > and > > > > help McCain during the election. However, I have not seen > > McCain's > > > > chart. So, I cannot determine if he will win the presidency or > > not. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Her birth time is being mentioned as 9:43pm. Mars and Saturn > > are > > > > > conjunct in 6th house. Jupiter in own house in 7th. Venus > > > exalted > > > > > in rashi but debilitated in navamsa. Mercury exalted in > Rashi > > > but > > > > > debilitated in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Currently running Jupiter/Moon. Both planets strong in the > > > chart. > > > > > Moon is exalted in navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > , " devibhakt " <devibhakt@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On her birthday (11th Feb 1964, Sandpoint ID), all planets > > were > > > > > between > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many successful politicians are known to have this yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > DB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Dear friends, More on the chart of Sarah Palin - I've come around to the evening birth time. Even if the birth records have not yet been confirmed, the 21° 40' Virgo chart seems quite plausible. Her 2nd lord VENUS is exalted in the 7th house, which is very good for status in life (even if it is debilitated in Navamsa). A second major positive in the chart is the conjunction of 4th lord JUPITER on the MEP of the 7th house. As you know, the 4th lord has "dynamic" indications. As a result, this quality is transmitted to the 7th house, 11th house, 3rd house and last but not least the 1st house. As a result, she has a dynamic personality, which you can see by hearing her present herself in interviews. Due to the aspect of Jupiter her efforts are also quite successful, her income is good and her spouse has outdoorsman (Jupiter as 4th lord) qualities. Finally, as Jupiter aspects the 7th house, its energy benefits the status and conditon of Venus in the chart. Being in Jupiter dasa, brings these great qualities to the fore. Her 1st lord MERCURY and 11th lord MOON are also well placed and strong in Capricorn and 5th house. She is now in Moon sub-period and it would be good for politics. The nodes are afflicting the even numbered houses with an orb of 4° 30' is also not helpful and the effect will be more likely to manifest in their sub-periods during the fifth dasa cycle of Jupiter. Her Rahu sub-period begins in 2010 and then there could be problems for careeer, status and enemies. The last part is more vulnearbale, as there is a highly malefic combination of old age 12th lord SUN, infant 6th SATURN and infant 8th lord MARS on the cusp of 5th/6th house. This triple malefic conjunction is rare as it is unfortunate and the aspect of Rahu to the 6th house would aggravate this combination. It could lead to a lot of trouble in her life and is likely to be felt in her upcoming Mars sub-period from February 2009. One additional insight, when a planet aspects the 1st house, the qualities of that planet - as well as the MT sign that it rules may mainfest in the personality. Perhaps this is why my initial effort of finding her ascendant arrived at Sagittarius. Just speculating. Best wishes, Thor devibhakt <devibhaktSAMVA Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:14:42 PM Re: McCain picks Sarah PalinBonner county office. I am trying to get a copy of her birth certificate.DBSAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:>> Hello Devibhakt,> Thanks, but what is the source for the birth time?> The 21° 40' Virgo rising chart (attached) has the 4 FBs well placed and 4th lord JUPITER on the 7th house MEP, aspecting also 11th, 1st and 3rd houses. Several planets are debilitated as Shayn has pointed out. The nodes afflict the even numbered houses, with 5 of them ruled by MT lords. Moreover, the 12th lord SUN in old age in the 5th house is conjunct the 8th lord MARS and 6th lord SATURN in infancy in the 6th house. That is a major affliction. The conjunction of transit Sun and transit Saturn next week at 17° Leo in the 12th house will be under the affliction of the natal KETU in the 4th house, which will also be afflicting transit 4th lord Jupiter. There could be a setback in her life at that time. This chart also suggests significant problems from early 2009 when the Ju/Ma period begins. > This chart is not good at all, if it is correct. > Best wishes,> Thor> > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt> SAMVA > Friday, August 29, 2008 10:45:45 PM> Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin> > Confirmed. Her birth time is 9:43pm. Sandpoint in Idaho on Feb > 11th, 1964.> > DB> > SAMVA , Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@> wrote:> >> > Hello Thor,> > Thanks for taking the time to look at her life and a potential > rising sign for her. I guess it is hard for me to see in this chart > the many natal strengths to which you refer. Venus and Jupiter are > debilitated in navamsha, Saturn is in extreme infancy and combust. > Sun and Mars are in old age with Mars combust. And Mercury is > debilitated in navamsha conjunct MMP, Moon. Could you please clarify?> > > > Thanks!> > > > Warm regards,> > Shayn> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> > Cosmologer <cosmologer@>> > SAMVA > > Friday, August 29, 2008 2:57:57 PM> > Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin> > > > > > Dear Shayn and list members,> > > > I find 6° 22' Sagittarius as a plausible ascendant for her. She is > active and outdoors oriented. She took after her father in sports and > activities. She is an environmentalist, an ethical person and > outspoken.> > > > Jupiter-KETU period is operating.> > - 8th lord MOON on 2nd house MEP. She has one child with Downs > syndrome.> > -10th lord MERCURY on 2nd house MEP. She is governor of a state.> > -11th lord VENUS at 7° 23' Pisces is exalted on 4th house MEP. > > -1st lord JUPITER at 23° 15' Pisces is well placed and strong in > 4th house of mental peace.> > -3rd lord SATURN at 1° 46' Aquarius and in MEP of 3rd house. She > likes to speak out on issues, is well spoken and likes to rule.> > -9th lord SUN is at 28° 26' Capricorn and 2nd house in conjunction > with 5th lord MARS at 29° 41' Capricorn. This gives luck with > children, but there may also be setbacks. > > -KETU at 17° 20 Sagittarius and 1st house, may give > some strange "vibe" to the self.> > -RAHU at 17° 20' Gemini and 7th house may give a worldly spouse or > some disturbance for spouse.> > > > Today the following transits may be noted> > - transit 1st lord JUPITER at 18°41' Sagittarius is conjunct natal > KETU. Her "self" has been thrust suddenly into the glare of the > global media and into the scrutiny of the global political punditry. > Something that is bound to be difficult.> > - transit KETU at 23° 34' Cancer and 8th house aspects natal > JUPITER in the 4th house, while natal KETU aspects transit 9th lord > SUN in the 9th house. This would be a challenging time for her > husband. Natal Ketu also aspects her 3rd lord SATURN in the 9th > house. This would be a time when she is suddenly thrust into the > spotlight and the world is waiting to hear what she has to say.> > - debilitated transit 11th lord VENUS and exalted transit 10th > lord MERCURY are conjunct in Virgo and on her 10th house MEP in > aspect to her natal exalted VENUS. Transit 5th lord MARS is also in > the 10th house, in aspect to her natal KETU.> > - Transit 8th lord MOON had just passed over her transit KETU.> > -transit RAHU is in her 2nd house.> > > > Her rise in life came during Jupiter-MERCURY period. Her Jupiter > KETU period began earlier in August 2008. So, the unexpected has now > taken front seat in her life. Her Jupiter-VENUS period begins in July > 2009, when her life would be expected take a more pleasant turn for > her. > > > > Given the many natal strengths, it is hard to see her not advancing > very much in her life.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Thor> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ >> > SAMVA > > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:18:28 PM> > Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin> > > > > > Transiting Ketu currently aspects natal Jupiter in her chart which > could cause some political challenges.. .> > > > Warm regards,> > Shayn> > > > > > > > > > Shayn Smith <mactunesmith@ >> > SAMVA > > Friday, August 29, 2008 10:15:43 AM> > Re: McCain picks Sarah Palin> > > > > > No time is given but the date/place is Feb. 11, 1964 in Sandpoint, > Idaho. Without knowing FM/FB, houses, and MEPs, we see no afflictions > to planets from the nodes. We also see a possible Mercury/Moon > conjunction and a Sun/Mars/Saturn (all weak because of old > age/infancy) conjunction. Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn are in good > signs for them.> > > > Warm regards,> > Shayn> > > > > > > > > > devibhakt <devibhakt >> > SAMVA > > Friday, August 29, 2008 8:44:13 AM> > McCain picks Sarah Palin> > > > > > as his VP. Anybody here from Alaska or Idaho who can get her birth > > details?> > > > DB> >> > > > ---> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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