Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 It was discussed on SAMVA. I read it there, that McCain did not cut the mustard, but do not recollect the DOB. Lila ==============Original message text=============== On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 21:52:04 CDT Jason Bovien wrote: Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Hello Lila, In all three cases there are multiple birth details. The opinion given is based on a particular birth detail in each case. These are only readings and should not be looked as predictions. Best wishes. - lila Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:37 PM Next president US My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry Re: Next president US Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Hello Rick, The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. Best wishes. - R.P Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM Re: Next president US Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry Re: Next president US Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 So events happen in life is because of transit? so if something horrable things happen in life because of transit influence but Natal chart is strong then person get out of problems succesfully? Thanks RP SIHA <vkchoudhry Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:34:02 PM Re: Next president US Hello Rick, The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. Best wishes. - R.P @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM Re: Next president US Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Dear List Members, I hope my contribution was not misunderstood. 1) Regarding the authenticity of the lastest birth time for Obama. I don't think any of us is the final authority on this currently suggested time taken from " copies " of Obama's birth certificate. It is interesting now that AstroDataBank is listing this time as AA - their highest rating. Here is the brief excerpt I received from them: AstroDatabank Update on Barack Obama From Pat Taglilatelo, AstroDatabank Editor Thanks to everyone who wrote to me while I was away about the posting of Barack Obama's birth certificate on the web. Of course, we can't be sure that it hasn't been altered but it looks authentic and I feel that we can (cautiously) raise his Rodden Rating to AA. Remember that the source notes of all entries are far more important than the Rodden Rating. Always read the complete source notes and make your own judgments about the reliability of the data. Barack Obama's entry in AstroDatabank already contains voluminous source documentation and I am adding the following update to substantiate the AA rating: A time of 7:24 PM is given on a copy of his birth certificate which appeared on the following websites (and others) in June 2008: barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert, http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616 and http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/. In addition, a Los Angeles Times newspaper blog (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html) reports that Ben LaBolt, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign, has confirmed " that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate. " You can follow these links and see a " copy " of the birth certificate and the basis they are adding for the AA rating from the Los Anglese Times. 2) I was not trying to suggest we consider Transits versus the Natal Chart. Here is what wrote on June 21st to Thor on this list: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published Dear : You said: Hello my dear Thor, Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning the election as President of USA. Best wishes. He then follows it up with an anaysis of the Natal Chart on in his next post: Hello dear list members, This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt chart are ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlike planets in this case. The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position. The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains and legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of the most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the Sun, the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sun further. Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction of the functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in extreme old age. It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercury besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his ascending degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though the Sun and the Moon are supportive. Best wishes. In my most recent post I simply pointed out that on Nov 4 Ketu was conjuction Obama's Sun. This supports Prof Choudhry's analysis. It is not one versus the other but both!! His comments are both listed here on June 21st. Forgive me for the extensive cut and pasting job. I have cut and pasted them for everyone's convenience and just to make sure I did not misunderstand the posts.. Again this is with the proviso --- if this chart time is correct. I don't know that this ultimately resolves or proves anything. We will have to see if there are any additional developments and of course see what the voters do on election day, November 4th. Best wishes, Jason --- On Sun, 6/29/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry Re: Next president US Sunday, June 29, 2008, 1:34 PM Hello Rick, The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. Best wishes. - R.P @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM Re: Next president US Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hello dear Mr. Jason, Thanks for bringing the things objectively. I do not think anybody misunderstands you. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien Monday, June 30, 2008 12:29 AM Re: Next president US Dear List Members, I hope my contribution was not misunderstood. 1) Regarding the authenticity of the lastest birth time for Obama. I don't think any of us is the final authority on this currently suggested time taken from " copies " of Obama's birth certificate. It is interesting now that AstroDataBank is listing this time as AA - their highest rating. Here is the brief excerpt I received from them: AstroDatabank Update on Barack Obama From Pat Taglilatelo, AstroDatabank Editor Thanks to everyone who wrote to me while I was away about the posting of Barack Obama's birth certificate on the web. Of course, we can't be sure that it hasn't been altered but it looks authentic and I feel that we can (cautiously) raise his Rodden Rating to AA. Remember that the source notes of all entries are far more important than the Rodden Rating. Always read the complete source notes and make your own judgments about the reliability of the data. Barack Obama's entry in AstroDatabank already contains voluminous source documentation and I am adding the following update to substantiate the AA rating: A time of 7:24 PM is given on a copy of his birth certificate which appeared on the following websites (and others) in June 2008: barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert, http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616 and http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/. In addition, a Los Angeles Times newspaper blog (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html) reports that Ben LaBolt, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign, has confirmed " that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate. " You can follow these links and see a " copy " of the birth certificate and the basis they are adding for the AA rating from the Los Anglese Times. 2) I was not trying to suggest we consider Transits versus the Natal Chart. Here is what wrote on June 21st to Thor on this list: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published Dear : You said: Hello my dear Thor, Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning the election as President of USA. Best wishes. He then follows it up with an anaysis of the Natal Chart on in his next post: Hello dear list members, This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt chart are ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlike planets in this case. The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position. The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains and legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of the most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the Sun, the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sun further. Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction of the functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in extreme old age. It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercury besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his ascending degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though the Sun and the Moon are supportive. Best wishes. In my most recent post I simply pointed out that on Nov 4 Ketu was conjuction Obama's Sun. This supports Prof Choudhry's analysis. It is not one versus the other but both!! His comments are both listed here on June 21st. Forgive me for the extensive cut and pasting job. I have cut and pasted them for everyone's convenience and just to make sure I did not misunderstand the posts.. Again this is with the proviso --- if this chart time is correct. I don't know that this ultimately resolves or proves anything. We will have to see if there are any additional developments and of course see what the voters do on election day, November 4th. Best wishes, Jason --- On Sun, 6/29/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry Re: Next president US Sunday, June 29, 2008, 1:34 PM Hello Rick, The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. Best wishes. - R.P @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM Re: Next president US Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hello RP, Yes, when natal chart is strong then person has a better chance of getting out of problems succesfully. Best wishes. - R.P Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:22 PM Re: Next president US So events happen in life is because of transit? so if something horrable things happen in life because of transit influence but Natal chart is strong then person get out of problems succesfully? Thanks RP SIHA <vkchoudhry Sunday, June 29, 2008 12:34:02 PM Re: Next president US Hello Rick, The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. Best wishes. - R.P @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM Re: Next president US Pranam Guruji, I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? Thanks Rick RP --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM Hello Jason, Lila and list members, The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. Best wishes. - Jason Bovien @ s.com Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM Re: Next president US Dear Lila, The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? Jason --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: lila <lila Next president US @ s.com Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM My Dear Professor, I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president if these two do not have it together astrologically? I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of the running. What do you suppose is going to happen here? Thank you. Lila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 i once saw obamas birth certificate on the net and i remember he had lagna at capricorn , Jason Bovien <jason4m2002 wrote: > > Dear List Members, > > I hope my contribution was not misunderstood. > > 1) Regarding the authenticity of the lastest birth time for Obama. I don't think any of us is the final authority on this currently suggested time taken from " copies " of Obama's birth certificate. It is interesting now that AstroDataBank is listing this time as AA - their highest rating. Here is the brief excerpt I received from them: > > AstroDatabank Update on Barack Obama > From Pat Taglilatelo, AstroDatabank Editor > Thanks to everyone who wrote to me while I was away about the posting of Barack Obama's birth certificate on the web. Of course, we can't be sure that it hasn't been altered but it looks authentic and I feel that we can (cautiously) raise his Rodden Rating to AA. Remember that the source notes of all entries are far more important than the Rodden Rating. Always read the complete source notes and make your own judgments about the reliability of the data. Barack Obama's entry in AstroDatabank already contains voluminous source documentation and I am adding the following update to substantiate the AA rating: > A time of 7:24 PM is given on a copy of his birth certificate which appeared on the following websites (and others) in June 2008: > barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert, > http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616 and > http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/464/. > In addition, a Los Angeles Times newspaper blog (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama- birth.html) reports that Ben LaBolt, a spokesperson for the Obama campaign, has confirmed " that that is Sen. Obama's birth certificate. " > > You can follow these links and see a " copy " of the birth certificate and the basis they are adding for the AA rating from the Los Anglese Times. > > 2) I was not trying to suggest we consider Transits versus the Natal Chart. Here is what wrote on June 21st to Thor on this list: > > Barack Obama Birth Certificate published > > Dear : > > You said: > > Hello my dear Thor, > > Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning > the election as President of USA. > > Best wishes. > > > > He then follows it up with an anaysis of the Natal Chart on in his next post: > > Hello dear list members, > > This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The > professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt chart are > ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural > significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlike > planets in this case. > > The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status but > when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord, > Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person in > debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage in > that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position. > > The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains and > legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of the > most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the Sun, > the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sun > further. > > Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction of the > functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in extreme old > age. > > It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercury > besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his ascending > degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though the > Sun and the Moon are supportive. > > Best wishes. > > > > > In my most recent post I simply pointed out that on Nov 4 Ketu was conjuction Obama's Sun. This supports Prof Choudhry's analysis. > > It is not one versus the other but both!! His comments are both listed here on June 21st. Forgive me for the extensive cut and pasting job. I have cut and pasted them for everyone's convenience and just to make sure I did not misunderstand the posts.. > > Again this is with the proviso --- if this chart time is correct. > > I don't know that this ultimately resolves or proves anything. We will have to see if there are any additional developments and of course see what the voters do on election day, November 4th. > > Best wishes, > > Jason > > --- On Sun, 6/29/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry wrote: > > SIHA <vkchoudhry > Re: Next president US > > Sunday, June 29, 2008, 1:34 PM Hello Rick, > > The important is the birth chart. Transit is seen with reference to the birth chart and with reference to natal strength of planets. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > R.P > @ s.com > Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:45 PM > Re: Next president US > > Pranam Guruji, > > I have a general question. We all learning astrology and try to learn everyday but Any person doesn't have straight forward life. There is always something. So there is a birht chart and so many divisional chart so of course one of the planets either transit or place may be wrong or afflicted or afflicting. So How we can decide the correct answar. As u said transit is important but not that. > so what is more important Transit or the original chart. Because chart is good then Transit is wrong and char doesn't look good then something happen good things then come to Transit is favoring this person. > So question is which is more important Transit or Originla chart? > > Thanks > Rick > > RP > > --- On Sat, 6/28/08, SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > SIHA <vkchoudhry (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Next president US > @ s.com > Saturday, June 28, 2008, 10:53 PM > > Hello Jason, Lila and list members, > > The transit is important but it is not that important that it can change the long term events in process for long durations. > The available horoscopes of the final candidates can be studied for comparative strengths of the natal charts. The problem of authenticity of the charts will always be there. > > Best wishes. > > > > - > Jason Bovien > @ s.com > Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:22 AM > Re: Next president US > > Dear Lila, > > The fact that Obama has transiting Ketu conjunct his sun on Nov 4th 2008 would seem to suggest it won't be one of his best days. I don't have McCain's data, but I would think that unless there was some terrible natal configuration the transits would rule the day. Obama's weaknesses have been pointed out on this list by Dr. Choudhry. Do you have McCain's data to see if his weaknesses are similar in kind and extent? > > Jason > > --- On Sat, 6/28/08, lila <lila wrote: > > lila <lila > Next president US > @ s.com > Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:07 PM > > My Dear Professor, > > I have read on this list that Obama does not have the planetary > requisites for president. And have read on SAMVA that McCain does not > have same requisites for president. So who do we think will be president > if these two do not have it together astrologically? > > I read that Hillary has the planetary chart strength, but she is out of > the running. > > What do you suppose is going to happen here? > > Thank you. > > Lila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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