Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino Jan 6, 2008 9:34 AM Re: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus SAMVA Dear Friends, In my view, he is Leo lagna. TOB 9:06 am must be very close to the true TOB. Best wishes, Jorge On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote: > > > http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/12/29/us/politics/20071229_OBAMA_TIMELIN\ E.html# > > > On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > wrote: > > > > Junior Senator <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate> > > from Illinois <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois> > > *Incumbent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incumbent>* *Assumed office * > > January 3 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_3> , 2005<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama > > > > another important date > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jorge > > > > > > On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > May be this helps: > > > > > > http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/cands08/obamatime.html > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Jorge > > > > > > On 1/6/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear David, > > > > > > > > I think we have a minor quandry regarding a convincing chart for > > > > him. Either that or he has little promise of becoming President. > > > > > > > > A. I find that the Leo rising chart looks rather weak and > > > > unpromising. First, there are 4 planets in dusthanas. L1 Sun and L2 Mercury > > > > are in Cancer H12. L5 Jupiter and L7 Saturn are in Capricorn H6. Jupiter and > > > > Mercury are in mutual aspect but they are both weak due to bad placement > > > > hence the benefit of the aspect would be reduced. > > > > > > > > The only strong planet is Venus in H11 and its sub-period is > > > > operating. This could explain the sudden prominence. While Moon is exalted > > > > and fairly strong in Taurus H10 and receives an aspect from Jupiter, this > > > > aspect would not be very helpful as Jupiter is so weak on account of bad > > > > placement and debilitation. Moon is also L8 and hence likely to cause > > > > obstacles in career. > > > > > > > > While the placement of L9 Mars on rising degree would give luck, > > > > Mars is in advanced old age and hence weak. The luck and courage would > > > > likely not be that prominent in the life. The Leo rising chart does not look > > > > like that of a winner. If it is the correct one, as you hint at, it > > > > would suggest a setback for him when the nodes go stationary over their > > > > natal placements in a few months time. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, the time 9:06 AM is exactly 4 hours earlier than the > > > > 13:06 PM time. > > > > > > > > B. The 13:06 PM time gives 24° Libra rising, which has only one > > > > planet in bad placement, L10 Moon. L1 Venus is strong in H9 and its period > > > > is operating. L11 Sun is in H10, but with its dispositor Moon badly placed > > > > in H8. > > > > > > > > Neither chart does a convincing job of explaining Obama's tall > > > > height. > > > > > > > > A. The Leo rising chart has L1 Sun is weak and badly placed. While > > > > L3 Venus is strong it is not impacting H1 or H3 or its lords. It is also > > > > aspected by Ketu in H7. The Venus sub-period would have been operating when > > > > he was 18 years old. > > > > > > > > B. In the Libra rising chart, L3 Jupiter is debilitated and under > > > > mutual aspect with L12 Mercury. Jupiter also aspects a badly placed L10 > > > > Moon. Would such aspects suggest rapid growth during teenage years? In the > > > > Libra rising chart, the Jupiter sub-period would have been operating when he > > > > was 13 years old. The Sun sub-period would have been running when he was 11 > > > > years old. If the birth time were slightly earlier, say 13:00 his ascendant > > > > would place L11 Sun into H10 MEP and thus aspecting H4 which contains L3, > > > > which could possibly suggest his tall height. > > > > > > > > Well, this is my two cents on these charts based on these given > > > > times. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne < david > > > > SAMVA > > > > Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:00:10 AM > > > > RE: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus > > > > > > > > I think one of the clues is to see the transits for the win in Iowa. > > > > > > > > Regardless of the ascendant, the other notable issue is that Rahu > > > > and Ketu > > > > will be stationary on their natal position for him from Jan. 20 to > > > > March > > > > 26th. > > > > > > > > This could be very difficult for him. > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf > > > > Of > > > > cosmologer > > > > Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:13 AM > > > > SAMVA > > > > Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus > > > > > > > > Dear David, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well > > > > make > > > > it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed, > > > > these birth times that are being circulated are not well established > > > > > > > > and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought > > > > concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in > > > > question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo > > > > ascendant... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thor. > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives > > > > the Leo > > > > > rising sign. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well. > > > > > > > > > > David Hawthorne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SAMVA [ SAMVA ] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Cosmologer > > > > > Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM > > > > > samva > > > > > Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. > > > > > > > > > > There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for > > > > Obama among > > > > > US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee > > > > only the > > > > > date and place of his birth. > > > > > > > > > > For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for > > > > Huckabee, > > > > > with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a > > > > developed > > > > > soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This > > > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another > > > > possibility > > > > > is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This > > > > configuration > > > > > would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in > > > > views. > > > > > > > > > > The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart. > > > > > > > > > > We may keep in mind what suggested on the list > > > > on Nov. > > > > > 24, 2007: > > > > > " The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US > > > > > > > > but the > > > > > elections may not be cancelled or postponed. > > > > > > > > > > US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn > > > > rising will > > > > > have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo, > > > > Libra or > > > > > Saggitarius rising stands a better chance. " > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Thor > > > > > > > > > > Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa > > > > > Story Highlights > > > > > * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race > > > > > * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women > > > > > * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN > > > > analyst > > > > > says > > > > > * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions > > > > of dollars > > > > > into campaign > > > > > < http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif> DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- > > > > Barack > > > > > Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in- > > > > > > > > the-nation > > > > > caucuses > > > > > art.obama.win.ap.jpg > > > > > > > > > <http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses/art.obama.wi > > > > n.ap.j > > > > > pg> > > > > > Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a " defining moment in > > > > history. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/.element/img/2.0/mosaic/base_skins/baseplate/c > > > > orner_ > > > > > wire_BL.gif> > > > > > With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of > > > > 38 percent > > > > > of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent > > > > for > > > > > Hillary Clinton. > > > > > " The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and > > > > experience, and > > > > > change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider. > > > > > Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html > > > > > > > > > Dodd of > > > > > Connecticut and Sen. Joe > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html > > > > > Biden of > > > > > Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs. > > > > > New Mexico Gov. Bill > > > > > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html > > > > > > > > > > Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take > > > > the fight > > > > > to New Hampshire. " > > > > > New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday. > > > > > Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire, > > > > > > > > according > > > > > to the latest CNN/WMUR poll. > > > > > On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was > > > > languishing > > > > > six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now > > > > tied for > > > > > first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was > > > > released > > > > > Wednesday. > > > > > McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in > > > > > > > > New > > > > > Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his > > > > rivals. > > > > > For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age > > > > revolt for > > > > > Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider > > > > said. > > > > > Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote, > > > > according to > > > > > CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his > > > > victory > > > > > Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a " defining moment > > > > in > > > > > history. " > > > > > " You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to > > > > stand up > > > > > and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for > > > > > > > > change > > > > > has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his > > > > overwhelming > > > > support > > > > > among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate. > > > > > With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, > > > > former > > > > governor > > > > > of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to > > > > 25 percent > > > > > for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent > > > > and > > > > Ron Paul > > > > > had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has > > > > turned > > > > the > > > > > focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday " primaries, > > > > > > > > trailed > > > > > with 4 percent. > > > > > " We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other > > > > candidates > > > > haven't > > > > > paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said, adding, " Time will > > > > tell > > > > what the > > > > > best strategy is. " > > > > > Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of > > > > dollars into > > > > > a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation. > > > > > " People really are more important than the purse, and what a great > > > > > > > > lesson > > > > > for America to learn, " Huckabee said in thanking his supporters. > > > > For most of > > > > > 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and > > > > had > > > > very > > > > > little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the > > > > final six > > > > > weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting > > > > > > > > bloc in > > > > > Iowa -- began to move his way. > > > > > " We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event, > > > > > > > > and that > > > > > we are going to do, " Romney said. > > > > > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html > > > > > > > > > > Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed > > > > herself > > > > as the > > > > > candidate who could bring about the change the voters want. > > > > > " I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to > > > > > > > > lead, " > > > > > she said. > > > > > Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the > > > > experience to > > > > > enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too > > > > much > > > > of a > > > > > Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital. > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html > > > > > > > > > > Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show > > > > that " the > > > > > status quo lost and change won. " > > > > > " Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about > > > > > > > > the > > > > > changes this country so desperately needs, " he said. > > > > > McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New > > > > Hampshire > > > > > primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that > > > > > > > > one, you > > > > > can't buy an election in > > > > <http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa > Iowa; > > > > > and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close > > > > race on both > > > > > sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported > > > > seeing > > > > > record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus > > > > attendees. > > > > > The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the > > > > Republican > > > > > caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people > > > > participated > > > > in the > > > > > 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that > > > > 87,000 > > > > > people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran > > > > unchallenged for > > > > > a second term in 2004.) > > > > > Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in > > > > Walnut, Iowa, > > > > > said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out > > > > the > > > > door. > > > > > " I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in > > > > the > > > > room, > > > > > much less count the votes, " she said. " There are bodies in every > > > > available > > > > > space in the room. " > > > > > The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa, > > > > determined to > > > > > reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that > > > > started at 7 > > > > > p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated > > > > system to > > > > > determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are > > > > asked for > > > > > their support for a candidate only one time during the event. > > > > Democrats are > > > > > asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their > > > > > first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to > > > > achieve > > > > > viability. > > > > > Among Republican candidates, > > > > > <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html > > > > > > > > > > Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan > > > > > > > > > < http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html> > > > > > > > > Hunter > > > > > of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their > > > > campaigns going, > > > > > while > > > > < http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html> > > > > Paul, > > > > > a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of > > > > popularity > > > > > through February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their > > > > primaries > > > > > -- no matter where he places in the early contests. > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > > > > > > > > Try > > > > > > > > > <http://us.rd./evt=51733/*http:/mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i > > > > 62sR8H > > > > > DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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