Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I still donot believe that she is dead, though I have been watching this news since last 2-3 hours. , " Sateesh Batas " <makara wrote: > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to thousands of people. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Hello everyone, On Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:33 AM, Sateesh Batas <makara wrote: > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected > suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went > off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after > her speech to thousands of people. Sateesh, can you provide an internet news source for this? I only found she was very seriously wounded (although wikipedia states she was killed). Also, does anyone have a serious birth data for her? I have three contradictory birth data: (1) june 23, 1953, 16h, (-5h GMT), Karachi. Source: KN Rao, Journal of Astrology (2) june 23, 1953, 19h43 (-5h GMT), Karachi. Source: unknown internet list (3) june 21, 1953, Karachi, no time. Source: Wikipedia. -- Best regards, François Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Hello dear Sateesh, In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. Best wishes. - " Sateesh Batas " <makara " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM Benazir Bhutto killed On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to thousands of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Dear Professor, For the benefit of the list members, I'm adding that you had analysed Ms Bhutto's chart in your book Impact of ascending signs page 129. She had a Scorpio ascendant. I notice that here you corrected her birth hour at 17.33 instead of 17.05 which puts her ascendant around 12:56. That means that N Mars L6 (enemies) is on the MEP of 8th house. Best wishes, Jean Bianchi - siha Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:55 AM Re: Benazir Bhutto killed Hello dear Sateesh, In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. Best wishes. - " Sateesh Batas " <makara " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM Benazir Bhutto killed On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to thousands of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Hello dear Mr. Bianchi, Thanks for bringing the reference up. Best wishes. - " Jean Bianchi " <jeanbianchi Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:44 PM Re: Benazir Bhutto killed Dear Professor, For the benefit of the list members, I'm adding that you had analysed Ms Bhutto's chart in your book Impact of ascending signs page 129. She had a Scorpio ascendant. I notice that here you corrected her birth hour at 17.33 instead of 17.05 which puts her ascendant around 12:56. That means that N Mars L6 (enemies) is on the MEP of 8th house. Best wishes, Jean Bianchi - siha Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:55 AM Re: Benazir Bhutto killed Hello dear Sateesh, In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. Best wishes. - " Sateesh Batas " <makara " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM Benazir Bhutto killed On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to thousands of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her chart needs rectification. Confused, DB , <siha wrote: > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Sateesh Batas " <makara > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > thousands of people. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Dear list, I have the two birth data for Ms. Bhutto; Birth Data (1) - Date of birth (June 23, 1953), But many website and wikipedia say that June 21, 1953 - Time of Birth 4:30 PM - Karachi, Pakistan However, when I checked with this data, the findings are as follows: - Scorpio Asc. - Transit Mars (MT lord of H6, placed at H8 in Natal) was exactly Aspecting with Sun (MT lord of H10), also closely aspecting the Natal Rahu. - In her Natal chart, Mars has been closely conjucted with Sun. - Transit Rahu also closely aspecting the Sun again. - Again H10 was being afflicted by Transit Rahu (significator of unexpected event) and Transit Ketu (Significator of violent death) - Her lagna was being exactly afflicted by Transit Venus (MT lord of H12, placed at H7 in Natal). - Transit Venus, FM, is exactly afflicted the H1 and H7. - Transit Rahu is closely afflicting the H4, H8, H10, and H12. (H4 for transportation, H8 for life, H10 for career and H12 for loss of life). Again - H8 has been multi-afflicted by both Mars and Rahu. Birth Data (2) from Professor. - Date of birth (June 21, 1953), - Time of Birth 5:33 PM - Karachi, Pakistan when I checked with this data, the findings are also quite interesting: - Scorpio Asc. - Transit Mars (MT lord of H6, placed at H8 in Natal) was exactly Aspecting with Sun (MT lord of H10), and closely conjucted to Natal Mars (MT lord of H6) also closely aspecting the Natal Rahu. - Transit Mars (MT lord of H6, placed at H8 in Natal) was closely afflicting the H2, and H8. - Natal Mars (MT lord of H6, placed at H8 in Natal) has been exactly afflicting the H2, H3, H8 and H11. - In her Natal chart, Mars has been closely conjucted with Sun. - Hence, The Natal Sun (MT lord of H10) has been under the exact affliction of Transit Mars and Rahu. - Again H10 was being afflicted by Transit Rahu (significator of unexpected event) and Transit Ketu (Significator of violent death) - Transit Rahu is closely afflicting the H4, H8, H10, and H12 - H8 has been multi-afflicted by both Transit Mars and Rahu. Please share your view Khin. devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her chart needs rectification. Confused, DB , <siha wrote: > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Sateesh Batas " <makara > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > thousands of people. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Dear devi bhakt, If u closely look at chart having 21 june 1953 17: 33 as birth chart for benazir, natal & transit afflictions are quite evident for such a happening. Venus is prime sig of longevity & saturn is general significator, now at time of her death @ 17:45 hrs in transits venus was in infant at 2.07*. Tr saturn was in house of sun, now tr sun was exactly afflicted by natal mars, so tr saturn was extremely weak due to its dispositor sun being very weak & afflicted in transists. Moreover tr rahu the sub period lord was aspecting mep of h8, and in transists venus & saturn were both very weak & could not protect her life. Tr rahu was also aspecting mep of h12 also, also note saturn sig of longevity in natal chart is weak due to old age and its disp mercury being in infant . In transists both venus & saturn being weak & nodal axis @ mep was responsible for this event. Thanks ajay devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her chart needs rectification. Confused, DB , <siha wrote: > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Sateesh Batas " <makara > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > thousands of people. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Hello DB, There is always scope of rectification in the chart of persons where the person concerned has not confirmed the birth details. The transit impact connect the eighth house. Lord of the sixth house on the MEP of the eighth house in the natal chart indicates violent/accident act in matter of death and deaths in family as it closely aspects the second house. Best wishes. - " devibhakt " <devibhakt Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:27 PM Re: Benazir Bhutto killed The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her chart needs rectification. Confused, DB , <siha wrote: > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit Rahu and > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth house (ii) > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > - > " Sateesh Batas " <makara > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected suicide > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off just after > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > thousands of people. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 I agree with you on her longevity. Also, Professor said that 6L in 8th house (right on MEP) gives violent death. So, that is true too in this case. I am, however, still struggling to understand the timing of this event - how can the current transits give death at this time. I understand what natal chart promised in her case, it is just the timing based on transits that I am unable to comprehend. DB , ajay sehg <ajaysehg wrote: > > Dear devi bhakt, > > If u closely look at chart having 21 june 1953 17: 33 as birth chart for benazir, natal & transit afflictions are quite evident for such a happening. > > Venus is prime sig of longevity & saturn is general significator, now at time of her death @ 17:45 hrs in transits venus was in infant at 2.07*. Tr saturn was in house of sun, now tr sun was exactly afflicted by natal mars, so tr saturn was extremely weak due to its dispositor sun being very weak & afflicted in transists. > > Moreover tr rahu the sub period lord was aspecting mep of h8, and in transists venus & saturn were both very weak & could not protect her life. Tr rahu was also aspecting mep of h12 also, also note saturn sig of longevity in natal chart is weak due to old age and its disp mercury being in infant . > > In transists both venus & saturn being weak & nodal axis @ mep was responsible for this event. > > Thanks > > ajay > devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her > death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th > house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. > Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent > person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in > her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her > chart needs rectification. > > Confused, > DB > > , <siha@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit > Rahu and > > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth > house (ii) > > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " Sateesh Batas " <makara@> > > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected > suicide > > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off > just after > > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > > thousands of people. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2007 Report Share Posted December 27, 2007 Dear Professor Following is the data used by all Leading Astrologers including by my Guru jee Late Dr Mohammad Ayub Taji. Birth Data Benazir BHUTTO Jun 21 1953, 7:32 pm, USZ4 -5:00 Karachi Pakistan, 24°N52', 067°E03' Amer Shah Pakistan , <siha wrote: > > > Hello DB, > > There is always scope of rectification in the chart of persons where the > person concerned has not confirmed the birth details. The transit impact > connect the eighth house. Lord of the sixth house on the MEP of the eighth > house in the natal chart indicates violent/accident act in matter of death > and deaths in family as it closely aspects the second house. > > Best wishes. > > > > > > - > " devibhakt " <devibhakt > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:27 PM > Re: Benazir Bhutto killed > > > The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her > death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th > house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. > Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent > person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in > her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her > chart needs rectification. > > Confused, > DB > > , <siha@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit > Rahu and > > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth > house (ii) > > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " Sateesh Batas " <makara@> > > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected > suicide > > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off > just after > > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > > thousands of people. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2007 Report Share Posted December 28, 2007 Dear DB, In benazir chart, venus is prime sig of longevity, while saturn is general sig of longevity, sun becomes secondary sig of longevity due to its placement in h8, sun is at mep aspecting h2 which gave her good rise in life. Now in transists all significators of longevity i.e. venus was weak, saturn was weak, sun the secondary sig was afflicted badly, natal sun afflicted by tr mars while tr sun by natal mars. moreover sub period of rahu was running & tr rahu was afflicting h8 & h12, both houses of life were afflicted, while all determinants of longevity were weak/afflicted, Tr mars afflicted natal sun at a time when all sig of life were weak, & natal mars afflicted tr sun which gave her voilent death. & sub lord rahu was afflicting houses of life at mep. Thanks ajay devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: I agree with you on her longevity. Also, Professor said that 6L in 8th house (right on MEP) gives violent death. So, that is true too in this case. I am, however, still struggling to understand the timing of this event - how can the current transits give death at this time. I understand what natal chart promised in her case, it is just the timing based on transits that I am unable to comprehend. DB , ajay sehg <ajaysehg wrote: > > Dear devi bhakt, > > If u closely look at chart having 21 june 1953 17: 33 as birth chart for benazir, natal & transit afflictions are quite evident for such a happening. > > Venus is prime sig of longevity & saturn is general significator, now at time of her death @ 17:45 hrs in transits venus was in infant at 2.07*. Tr saturn was in house of sun, now tr sun was exactly afflicted by natal mars, so tr saturn was extremely weak due to its dispositor sun being very weak & afflicted in transists. > > Moreover tr rahu the sub period lord was aspecting mep of h8, and in transists venus & saturn were both very weak & could not protect her life. Tr rahu was also aspecting mep of h12 also, also note saturn sig of longevity in natal chart is weak due to old age and its disp mercury being in infant . > > In transists both venus & saturn being weak & nodal axis @ mep was responsible for this event. > > Thanks > > ajay > devibhakt <devibhakt wrote: The question is whether or not these transits are responsible for her > death. Sun as 10L is not a death inflicting planet. Being in 8th > house does render it weak but it is not a siginificator of death. > Transit to transit afflictions are true for any Scorpio ascendent > person. So, that is also not very specific reason for her death in > her chart. There is something more than these transits - may be her > chart needs rectification. > > Confused, > DB > > , <siha@> wrote: > > > > Hello dear Sateesh, > > > > In her chart she is having the sub period of Rahu. (i) Transit > Rahu and > > transit Mars are afflicting her natal Sun and Mars in the eighth > house (ii) > > transit Mars and transit Ketu are afflicting transit Jupiter. > > > > Born 21st June, 1953, 1733 Hrs. Karachi. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > " Sateesh Batas " <makara@> > > " Satva101 " ; " Satva List " > > Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM > > Benazir Bhutto killed > > > > > > > > On December 27th 2007, Benazir Bhutto was killed after a suspected > suicide > > attack at a political rally in Pakistan. The explosion went off > just after > > Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to > > thousands of people. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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