CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

Fw: Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I reckon

this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's own MTH

from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its MTH.

I think this matter requires additional clarification.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

Re: Affliction to own MTH

Hello my dear Vyas,

I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below.

Best wishes,

-

Vyas Munidas

siha

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd or 10th

aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF PLACEMENT AND

OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless, under

Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

RIGHT.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

August 12, 2007

Dear Professor

I am still confused. I think it is the connector " and/or " that

results in differences in concept. If " or " was not there and

only " and " was in placed, then it is clear. However, with the " or "

in placed at the same time, conditional sentence has a different

meaning. If you can kindly provide an example, it would be most

helpful for our learning.

Sincerely,

Ben

, <siha wrote:

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 12, 2007

Dear Professor,

Thanks for your kind guidance.

Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and the reply

given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in your

response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can harm. This

is the source of my apparent confusion.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Hello dear Vyas,

You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

following

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional malefic

planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception again has two

parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the exception.

Best wishes.

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

Fw: Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I reckon

this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's own MTH

from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its MTH.

I think this matter requires additional clarification.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

Re: Affliction to own MTH

Hello my dear Vyas,

I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below.

Best wishes,

-

Vyas Munidas

siha

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd or 10th

aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF PLACEMENT AND

OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless, under

Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

RIGHT.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

August 12, 2007

Hello Ben,

OK. Then consider 'or' is removed if that makes things clear for you.

Best wishes.

-

" searchbutton " <searchbutton

Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:59 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor

I am still confused. I think it is the connector " and/or " that

results in differences in concept. If " or " was not there and

only " and " was in placed, then it is clear. However, with the " or "

in placed at the same time, conditional sentence has a different

meaning. If you can kindly provide an example, it would be most

helpful for our learning.

Sincerely,

Ben

, <siha wrote:

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 12, 2007

Hello dear Vyas,

Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the main

principle in your memory.

Best wishes.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

Thanks for your kind guidance.

Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and the reply

given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in your

response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can harm. This

is the source of my apparent confusion.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Hello dear Vyas,

You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

following

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional malefic

planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception again has two

parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the exception.

Best wishes.

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

Fw: Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I reckon

this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's own MTH

from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its MTH.

I think this matter requires additional clarification.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

Re: Affliction to own MTH

Hello my dear Vyas,

I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below.

Best wishes,

-

Vyas Munidas

siha

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd or 10th

aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF PLACEMENT AND

OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless, under

Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

RIGHT.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

August 12, 2007

Dear Professor (and list members),

Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by Mr

Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and clarify for the

benefit of all list members:

1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and afflicted; in

this case it will afflict its MTH.

Examples asked for by Ben:

Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to the MEP.

Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case, Saturn

afflicts its MTH.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Hello dear Vyas,

Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the main

principle in your memory.

Best wishes.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

Thanks for your kind guidance.

Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and the reply

given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in your

response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can harm. This

is the source of my apparent confusion.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Hello dear Vyas,

You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

following

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional malefic

planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception again has two

parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the exception.

Best wishes.

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

Fw: Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I reckon

this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's own MTH

from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its MTH.

I think this matter requires additional clarification.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

Re: Affliction to own MTH

Hello my dear Vyas,

I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message appended below.

Best wishes,

-

Vyas Munidas

siha

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

" A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is already

afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd or 10th

aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF PLACEMENT AND

OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless, under

Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

RIGHT.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

August 12, 2007

Dear Vyasji

Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn afflicts its MTH.

SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

Is that right?

sincerly

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Professor (and list members),

>

> Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

>

> Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

Mr

> Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

clarify for the

> benefit of all list members:

>

> 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in

> this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn

> afflicts its MTH.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

main

> principle in your memory.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> Thanks for your kind guidance.

>

> Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

the reply

> given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

your

> response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

harm. This

> is the source of my apparent confusion.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 12, 2007

Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

You have a valid question.

Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another FM

to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on the

6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter, this

would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes. However,

as has replied to your question previously:

" When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

except

its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to problems. "

So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted. This is

more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet to

either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've seen

other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

planet is also afflicted.

Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness and

indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close to

the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM. Does

this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor can

confirm.

These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of this

great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience of

others more qualified.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Vyasji

Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn afflicts its MTH.

SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

Is that right?

sincerly

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Professor (and list members),

>

> Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

>

> Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

Mr

> Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

clarify for the

> benefit of all list members:

>

> 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in

> this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn

> afflicts its MTH.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

main

> principle in your memory.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> Thanks for your kind guidance.

>

> Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

the reply

> given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

your

> response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

harm. This

> is the source of my apparent confusion.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 13, 2007

Hello dear Vyas,

In this case there is an exception.

To simplify, (i) a FM does not afflict its own MT sign by conjunction or by

aspect; (ii) a FM will afflict its own MT sign by aspect only if it itself

is afflicted by another FM planet.

Dispositor weakness or bad placement affliction will not work in this case.

The benefit of aspect to the MT sign of FM is limited to the proportion of

the strength of the FM.

Best wishes.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Monday, August 13, 2007 12:08 AM

Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

You have a valid question.

Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another FM

to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on the

6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter, this

would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes. However,

as has replied to your question previously:

" When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

except

its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to problems. "

So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted. This is

more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet to

either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've seen

other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

planet is also afflicted.

Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness and

indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close to

the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM. Does

this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor can

confirm.

These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of this

great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience of

others more qualified.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Vyasji

Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn afflicts its MTH.

SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

Is that right?

sincerly

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Professor (and list members),

>

> Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

>

> Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

Mr

> Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

clarify for the

> benefit of all list members:

>

> 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in

> this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn

> afflicts its MTH.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

main

> principle in your memory.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> Thanks for your kind guidance.

>

> Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

the reply

> given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

your

> response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

harm. This

> is the source of my apparent confusion.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 13, 2007

My dear ,

Thank you for the full clarification and patience. It's perfectly clear now

to all situations I can think of.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

<siha

Sunday, August 12, 2007 9:21 PM

Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Hello dear Vyas,

In this case there is an exception.

To simplify, (i) a FM does not afflict its own MT sign by conjunction or by

aspect; (ii) a FM will afflict its own MT sign by aspect only if it itself

is afflicted by another FM planet.

Dispositor weakness or bad placement affliction will not work in this case.

The benefit of aspect to the MT sign of FM is limited to the proportion of

the strength of the FM.

Best wishes.

-

" Vyas Munidas " <muni>

Monday, August 13, 2007 12:08 AM

Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

You have a valid question.

Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another FM

to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on the

6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter, this

would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes. However,

as has replied to your question previously:

" When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

except

its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to problems. "

So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted. This is

more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet to

either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've seen

other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

planet is also afflicted.

Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness and

indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close to

the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM. Does

this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor can

confirm.

These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of this

great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience of

others more qualified.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Vyasji

Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn afflicts its MTH.

SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

Is that right?

sincerly

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Professor (and list members),

>

> Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

>

> Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

Mr

> Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

clarify for the

> benefit of all list members:

>

> 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

afflicted; in

> this case it will afflict its MTH.

>

> Examples asked for by Ben:

> Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

the MEP.

>

> Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

>

> Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

Saturn

> afflicts its MTH.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

main

> principle in your memory.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> Thanks for your kind guidance.

>

> Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

the reply

> given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

your

> response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

harm. This

> is the source of my apparent confusion.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> following

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

malefic

> planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

>

> Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

again has two

> parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

exception.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> Fw: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

>

> I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

reckon

> this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

own MTH

> from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

MTH.

>

> I think this matter requires additional clarification.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> <siha

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> Re: Affliction to own MTH

>

> Hello my dear Vyas,

>

> I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

appended below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> -

> Vyas Munidas

> siha

> Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

>

> " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

already

> afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

>

> Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

or 10th

> aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

PLACEMENT AND

> OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

>

> And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

under

> Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

>

> RIGHT.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

August 13, 2007

Dear Professor,

I understand that the FM does not afflict it's home. Now, afflicting itself

comes to mind. Is it simply by observation that you find it does and the

same for the non affliction of it's mool sign? The concepts seem at odds,

that is why I ask.

Thank you.

Sally

On 8/12/07, siha <siha wrote:

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> In this case there is an exception.

>

> To simplify, (i) a FM does not afflict its own MT sign by conjunction or

> by

> aspect; (ii) a FM will afflict its own MT sign by aspect only if it itself

> is afflicted by another FM planet.

>

> Dispositor weakness or bad placement affliction will not work in this

> case.

> The benefit of aspect to the MT sign of FM is limited to the proportion of

> the strength of the FM.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Monday, August 13, 2007 12:08 AM

> Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

>

> You have a valid question.

>

> Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another

> FM

> to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on

> the

> 6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter,

> this

> would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

>

> Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

> afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes.

> However,

> as has replied to your question previously:

>

> " When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

> except

> its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to

> problems. "

>

> So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted. This

> is

> more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

> word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet

> to

> either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've seen

> other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

> placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

> planet is also afflicted.

>

> Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness

> and

> indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close to

> the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM. Does

> this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor

> can

> confirm.

>

> These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of this

> great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience of

> others more qualified.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Vyasji

>

> Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

> rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

> needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

>

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn afflicts its MTH.

>

> SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

> POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

> SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

> IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

>

> Is that right?

>

> sincerly

> guru

>

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Professor (and list members),

> >

> > Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

> >

> > Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

> Mr

> > Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

> clarify for the

> > benefit of all list members:

> >

> > 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in

> > this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn

> > afflicts its MTH.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

> main

> > principle in your memory.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind guidance.

> >

> > Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

> the reply

> > given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

> your

> > response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

> harm. This

> > is the source of my apparent confusion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> > following

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

> malefic

> > planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

> >

> > Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

> again has two

> > parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

> exception.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> > Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> > Fw: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

> >

> > I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

> reckon

> > this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

> own MTH

> > from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

> MTH.

> >

> > I think this matter requires additional clarification.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> > Re: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello my dear Vyas,

> >

> > I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

> appended below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > -

> > Vyas Munidas

> > siha

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> > Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

> or 10th

> > aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> > RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

> PLACEMENT AND

> > OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

> >

> > And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

> under

> > Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

> >

> > RIGHT.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

August 13, 2007

Hello Sally,

I am happy that astrologers are looking into things at such subtle level.

The possibilities are infinite and one has to look into things with the help

of basic tried and tested principles. When you study things repeatedly you

will find that concepts are not at odds but there are different dimensions

and we have to look into various dimensions individually.

Best wishes.

-

" Sally Spencer " <sally234

Monday, August 13, 2007 8:05 AM

Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Professor,

I understand that the FM does not afflict it's home. Now, afflicting itself

comes to mind. Is it simply by observation that you find it does and the

same for the non affliction of it's mool sign? The concepts seem at odds,

that is why I ask.

Thank you.

Sally

On 8/12/07, siha <siha wrote:

>

> Hello dear Vyas,

>

> In this case there is an exception.

>

> To simplify, (i) a FM does not afflict its own MT sign by conjunction or

> by

> aspect; (ii) a FM will afflict its own MT sign by aspect only if it itself

> is afflicted by another FM planet.

>

> Dispositor weakness or bad placement affliction will not work in this

> case.

> The benefit of aspect to the MT sign of FM is limited to the proportion of

> the strength of the FM.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

>

> Monday, August 13, 2007 12:08 AM

> Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

>

> You have a valid question.

>

> Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another

> FM

> to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on

> the

> 6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter,

> this

> would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

>

> Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

> afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes.

> However,

> as has replied to your question previously:

>

> " When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

> except

> its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to

> problems. "

>

> So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted. This

> is

> more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

> word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet

> to

> either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've seen

> other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

> placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

> planet is also afflicted.

>

> Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness

> and

> indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close to

> the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM. Does

> this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor

> can

> confirm.

>

> These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of this

> great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience of

> others more qualified.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Vyasji

>

> Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

> rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

> needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

>

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn afflicts its MTH.

>

> SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

> POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

> SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

> IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

>

> Is that right?

>

> sincerly

> guru

>

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Professor (and list members),

> >

> > Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

> >

> > Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

> Mr

> > Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

> clarify for the

> > benefit of all list members:

> >

> > 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in

> > this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn

> > afflicts its MTH.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

> main

> > principle in your memory.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind guidance.

> >

> > Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

> the reply

> > given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

> your

> > response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

> harm. This

> > is the source of my apparent confusion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> > following

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

> malefic

> > planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

> >

> > Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

> again has two

> > parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

> exception.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> > Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> > Fw: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

> >

> > I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

> reckon

> > this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

> own MTH

> > from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

> MTH.

> >

> > I think this matter requires additional clarification.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> > Re: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello my dear Vyas,

> >

> > I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

> appended below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > -

> > Vyas Munidas

> > siha

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> > Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

> or 10th

> > aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> > RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

> PLACEMENT AND

> > OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

> >

> > And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

> under

> > Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

> >

> > RIGHT.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

August 13, 2007

Hello Professor,

So it's a subtle thing. I can see that . Thanks.

Aloha,

Sally

So can you name a dimension for the sake of discussion then please? I am

interested. Is it sort of like an animal never defiling it's own place?

But a like animal may attack another like itself?

On 8/12/07, siha <siha wrote:

>

> Hello Sally,

>

> I am happy that astrologers are looking into things at such subtle level.

> The possibilities are infinite and one has to look into things with the

> help

> of basic tried and tested principles. When you study things repeatedly you

> will find that concepts are not at odds but there are different dimensions

> and we have to look into various dimensions individually.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> -

> " Sally Spencer " <sally234

>

> Monday, August 13, 2007 8:05 AM

> Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Professor,

>

> I understand that the FM does not afflict it's home. Now, afflicting

> itself

> comes to mind. Is it simply by observation that you find it does and the

> same for the non affliction of it's mool sign? The concepts seem at odds,

> that is why I ask.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Sally

>

> On 8/12/07, siha <siha wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > In this case there is an exception.

> >

> > To simplify, (i) a FM does not afflict its own MT sign by conjunction or

> > by

> > aspect; (ii) a FM will afflict its own MT sign by aspect only if it

> itself

> > is afflicted by another FM planet.

> >

> > Dispositor weakness or bad placement affliction will not work in this

> > case.

> > The benefit of aspect to the MT sign of FM is limited to the proportion

> of

> > the strength of the FM.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> >

> > Monday, August 13, 2007 12:08 AM

> > Re: Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

> >

> > You have a valid question.

> >

> > Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by another

> > FM

> > to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's exactly on

> > the

> > 6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that matter,

> > this

> > would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

> >

> > Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

> > afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes.

> > However,

> > as has replied to your question previously:

> >

> > " When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all houses

> > except

> > its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to

> > problems. "

> >

> > So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal afflicted.

> This

> > is

> > more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the principles. The

> > word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM planet

> > to

> > either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies. I've

> seen

> > other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly weak by

> > placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted, the

> > planet is also afflicted.

> >

> > Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor weakness

> > and

> > indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H close

> to

> > the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another FM.

> Does

> > this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear Professor

> > can

> > confirm.

> >

> > These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student of

> this

> > great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and patience

> of

> > others more qualified.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > " r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Vyasji

> >

> > Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

> > rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

> > needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my point:

> >

> > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> > afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

> > >

> > > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> > the MEP.

> > >

> > > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> > >

> > > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> > Saturn afflicts its MTH.

> >

> > SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " , MY

> > POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

> > SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

> > IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

> >

> > Is that right?

> >

> > sincerly

> > guru

> >

> > , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Professor (and list members),

> > >

> > > Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

> > >

> > > Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

> > Mr

> > > Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

> > clarify for the

> > > benefit of all list members:

> > >

> > > 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> > > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> > afflicted; in

> > > this case it will afflict its MTH.

> > >

> > > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close to

> > the MEP.

> > >

> > > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> > >

> > > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> > Saturn

> > > afflicts its MTH.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > >

> > > -

> > > <siha

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> > > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Hello dear Vyas,

> > >

> > > Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

> > main

> > > principle in your memory.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> > > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Dear Professor,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your kind guidance.

> > >

> > > Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

> > the reply

> > > given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below in

> > your

> > > response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

> > harm. This

> > > is the source of my apparent confusion.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > >

> > > -

> > > <siha

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> > > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Hello dear Vyas,

> > >

> > > You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> > > following

> > >

> > > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> > already

> > > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> > >

> > > The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

> > malefic

> > > planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

> > >

> > > Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

> > again has two

> > > parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

> > exception.

> > >

> > > Best wishes.

> > >

> > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> > > www.JyotishRemedies121.com

> > > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> > > Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

> > >

> > > -

> > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> > >

> > > Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> > > Fw: Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

> > >

> > > I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

> > reckon

> > > this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

> > own MTH

> > > from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

> > MTH.

> > >

> > > I think this matter requires additional clarification.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > >

> > > -

> > > <siha

> > > " Vyas Munidas " <muni>

> > > Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> > > Re: Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Hello my dear Vyas,

> > >

> > > I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

> > appended below.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > -

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > > siha

> > > Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> > > Affliction to own MTH

> > >

> > > Dear Professor,

> > >

> > > I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

> > >

> > > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its own

> > > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> > already

> > > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> > >

> > > Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

> > or 10th

> > > aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> > > RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

> > PLACEMENT AND

> > > OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

> > >

> > > And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH unless,

> > under

> > > Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

> > >

> > > RIGHT.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Vyas Munidas

> > >

August 13, 2007

Dear Shri Vyasji

Thanks for the efforts and patience. During the course of the day,

Professor's crisp clarifications have laid to rest the doubts

associated with this.

The doubts arose perhaps in trying to delineate as to what

constituted an afflicted planet. With that doubt cleared, i guess it

should be easier.

Thanks to all our learned members

sincerely

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

>

> You have a valid question.

>

> Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by

another FM

> to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's

exactly on the

> 6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that

matter, this

> would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

>

> Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

> afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes.

However,

> as has replied to your question previously:

>

> " When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all

houses

> except

> its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to

problems. "

>

> So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal

afflicted. This is

> more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the

principles. The

> word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM

planet to

> either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies.

I've seen

> other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly

weak by

> placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted,

the

> planet is also afflicted.

>

> Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor

weakness and

> indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H

close to

> the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another

FM. Does

> this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear

Professor can

> confirm.

>

> These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student

of this

> great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and

patience of

> others more qualified.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Vyasji

>

> Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

> rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

> needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my

point:

>

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close

to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn afflicts its MTH.

>

> SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " ,

MY

> POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

> SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

> IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

>

> Is that right?

>

> sincerly

> guru

>

, " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Professor (and list members),

> >

> > Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

> >

> > Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

> Mr

> > Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

> clarify for the

> > benefit of all list members:

> >

> > 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in

> > this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close

to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn

> > afflicts its MTH.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

> main

> > principle in your memory.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind guidance.

> >

> > Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

> the reply

> > given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below

in

> your

> > response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

> harm. This

> > is the source of my apparent confusion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> > following

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its

own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

> malefic

> > planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

> >

> > Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

> again has two

> > parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

> exception.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018, (India).

> > Phones: 2219240 (STD Code 0124, ISD code 91 124)

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:52 AM

> > Fw: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor, David and R.K.,

> >

> > I attach correspondence from November last year on this matter. I

> reckon

> > this is why the idea is stuck in my head that a FM will harm it's

> own MTH

> > from a DH or if it's under another FM influence and influences its

> MTH.

> >

> > I think this matter requires additional clarification.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha@>

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:56 PM

> > Re: Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello my dear Vyas,

> >

> > I add my replies/comments to your questions in your message

> appended below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > -

> > Vyas Munidas

> > siha@

> > Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:03 PM

> > Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > I have a couple questions stemming from the following:

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its

own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > Considering Pisces ascendant for instance, if Saturn makes a 3rd

> or 10th

> > aspect to its MTH, then it's not afflicting its own house?

> > RIGHT. WHEN CLOSE TO MEP IT MAY BE AFFLICTING THE HOUSE OF

> PLACEMENT AND

> > OTHER HOUSES ASPECTED.

> >

> > And Sg asc with Mo in 2H, it's not afflicting its own MTH

unless,

> under

> > Ra/Ke's aspect. Correct?

> >

> > RIGHT.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

August 14, 2007

Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

You are welcome.

Best regards,

Vyas Munidas

-

" r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

Monday, August 13, 2007 10:39 AM

Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

Dear Shri Vyasji

Thanks for the efforts and patience. During the course of the day,

Professor's crisp clarifications have laid to rest the doubts

associated with this.

The doubts arose perhaps in trying to delineate as to what

constituted an afflicted planet. With that doubt cleared, i guess it

should be easier.

Thanks to all our learned members

sincerely

guru

, " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Gurumurthy,

>

> You have a valid question.

>

> Considered another way, a FM planet needs no affliction to it by

another FM

> to be considered afflicted - in the previous example, if it's

exactly on the

> 6H MEP, it afflicts itself and hence afflicts the 8H. For that

matter, this

> would apply if it were in the 2H as well.

>

> Now, to what I believe that you are getting at, does badly placed =

> afflicted? In the strictest definition of the word 'afflict,' yes.

However,

> as has replied to your question previously:

>

> " When a FM is in another malefic house near MEP it afflicts all

houses

> except

> its own but its own MT sign house becomes weak and vulnerable to

problems. "

>

> So the strict answer is, no - badly placed does not equal

afflicted. This is

> more of a terminology issue than an inconsistency in the

principles. The

> word, 'afflict,' is usually used to describe influences from a FM

planet to

> either a house or another planet. Here, that definition applies.

I've seen

> other times when it's used to describe planets that are utterly

weak by

> placement and age. Also if the dispositor of a planet is afflicted,

the

> planet is also afflicted.

>

> Now this raises an interesting scenario considering dispositor

weakness and

> indirect affliction to an FM. Using an eg of Cn asc, Saturn in 2H

close to

> the MEP with the Sun badly placed in the 12H afflicted by another

FM. Does

> this Saturn afflict its MTH? My guess is yes, perhaps our dear

Professor can

> confirm.

>

> These are subtle points, but they do come up. I am only a student

of this

> great SA, so I humbly admit my ignorance and beg the help and

patience of

> others more qualified.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

> -

> " r.k.gurumurthy " <gurumurthyrk

>

> Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:57 PM

> Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

>

> Dear Vyasji

>

> Thanks for the clarification. This seeks, by and large, to lay to

> rest the confusions. However, there still lingers one point that

> needs clarity. I am reproducing part of your mail to raise my

point:

>

> 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close

to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn afflicts its MTH.

>

> SINCE IT IS MENTIONED " WHEN THE FM IS BADLY PLACED AND AFFLICTED " ,

MY

> POINT IS IT IS REDUNDANT TO HAVE THE AFFLICTION BY FM JUPITER IN

> SITUATION 2. THE VERY FACT THAT SATURN IS BADLY PLACED SHOULD CAUSE

> IT TO AFFLICT ITS MTH (IRRESPECTIVE OF AFFLICTION BY JUPITER)

>

> Is that right?

>

> sincerly

> guru

>

, " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Professor (and list members),

> >

> > Thank you for your kind suggestion. Simple is always best.

> >

> > Since there has been some confusion on this topic as expressed by

> Mr

> > Gurumurthy, Mr Hawthorne, and Mr Wong, I will summarize and

> clarify for the

> > benefit of all list members:

> >

> > 1) A FM planet influencing its MTH blesses it

> > 2) The above does not apply when the FM is badly placed and

> afflicted; in

> > this case it will afflict its MTH.

> >

> > Examples asked for by Ben:

> > Consider Cn ASC with the MMP Saturn badly placed in the 6H close

to

> the MEP.

> >

> > Situation 1) Saturn blesses its MTH, 8H.

> >

> > Situation 2) Saturn is afflicted by FM Jupiter. In this case,

> Saturn

> > afflicts its MTH.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:03 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > Now leave all previous replies to different situations. Keep the

> main

> > principle in your memory.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > -

> > " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Dear Professor,

> >

> > Thanks for your kind guidance.

> >

> > Mr Chayagraha asked if it cannot harm under any circumstance and

> the reply

> > given by you was that this understanding is correct. Given below

in

> your

> > response is that there are, in fact, circumstances where it can

> harm. This

> > is the source of my apparent confusion.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

> > -

> > <siha@>

> >

> > Sunday, August 12, 2007 12:11 AM

> > Re: CLARIFICATION FOR - Affliction to own MTH

> >

> > Hello dear Vyas,

> >

> > You are unnecessarily getting confused and confusing others on the

> > following

> >

> > " A natal/transit functional malefic planet never afflicts its

own

> > mooltrikona house, except when the functional malefic planet is

> already

> > afflicted and/or afflicts from a dusthana/malefic house. "

> >

> > The principle is absolutely clear - " A natal/transit functional

> malefic

> > planet never afflicts its own mooltrikona house " .

> >

> > Exception is exception and read that separately. The exception

> again has two

> > parts. The second part is dependent on the first part of the

> exception.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >