Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Hi friends, How do i learn ashtaka varga? kishore patnaik - -- In , " raji1153 " <raji1153> wrote: > > Hello, > > For a native, if the chart has promising signs of an unhappy marriage, > eg., Venus in Ardra, Sun-Ve < 3D and so on and if such a native gets > married(first marriage) to a native with signs of a happy marriage and > this marriage is performed in the sub period of a planet that has 18 > points in the worksheet for H7, how would such a marriage be? > > Would such a marriage last? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Hello Kishore, Ramchandani, Please check the site http://krushna.sageasita.com Check out Krushna's lessons for all the lessons taught by Krushnaji and KAS Files and worksheets for free excel based software. Hope that helps Bala FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Dear Tyagi Ji, I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. But from your question I have some querry i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water in case of Sun in 10th? ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi or chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > Sir, > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had this > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown into > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th house. > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the water. > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for Sun in > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > With regards, > > Chandra Prakash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 Respected Bhardwaj ji, when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take the sun to the 4th house. My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka jupiter 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana hai to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani mein bahani paregi. agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter ko strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka kyon nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki aklamandi hai respectfully, Chandra Prakash , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. But > from your question I have some querry > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water in > case of Sun in 10th? > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi or > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had this > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown into > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th house. > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the water. > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for Sun in > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > With regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Respected Tyagi Ji, As per your version " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take the sun to the 4th house " Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I feel there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this every body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah Ikkathe " in any Kundli and rule the Nature. In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. One need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in a khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual changes in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and equalents, whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all the 'Grammer' of LalKitab. In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word by word, The Book will shower its blessings. By the way " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda Books' Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > the sun to the 4th house. > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka jupiter > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana hai > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani mein > bahani paregi. > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter ko > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka kyon > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki > aklamandi hai > > respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. > But > > from your question I have some querry > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water in > > case of Sun in 10th? > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi > or > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > this > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown > into > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th > house. > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > water. > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for > Sun in > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 Respected Bhardwaj ji, Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two last questions. 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the 10th? 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same for two different planets in the same house? Respectfully, Chandra Prakash , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > As per your version > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > the sun to the 4th house " > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I feel > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this every > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah Ikkathe " > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. One > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in a > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual changes > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and equalents, > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all the > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word by > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > By the way > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > Books' > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > the sun to the 4th house. > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka jupiter > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana > hai > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani mein > > bahani paregi. > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter ko > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka kyon > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki > > aklamandi hai > > > > respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. > > But > > > from your question I have some querry > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water > in > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > haldi > > or > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > > this > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown > > into > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th > > house. > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > > water. > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for > > Sun in > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2006 Report Share Posted October 22, 2006 dear tyagi ji earlier also i suggest u to read the holy lal kitab carefully , but u have not read th kitab till now . again i m suggesting u to read the kitab carefully regarding both the planets you will become to know yourself . without reading this book you will not understand it properly. Shri Nirmal Ji also suggesting you to read the kitab yourself. Thanking you Regard Pt. Bhupesh Sharma Note: forwarded message attached. How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Respected Bhardwaj ji, Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two last questions. 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the 10th? 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same for two different planets in the same house? Respectfully, Chandra Prakash , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > As per your version > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > the sun to the 4th house " > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I feel > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this every > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah Ikkathe " > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. One > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in a > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual changes > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and equalents, > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all the > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word by > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > By the way > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > Books' > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > the sun to the 4th house. > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka jupiter > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana > hai > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani mein > > bahani paregi. > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter ko > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka kyon > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki > > aklamandi hai > > > > respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. > > But > > > from your question I have some querry > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water > in > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > haldi > > or > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > > this > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown > > into > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th > > house. > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > > water. > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for > > Sun in > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Respected Tyagi Ji, From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of LalKitab. You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell the group your self that " why jupiter items not involved in Jupiter 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the ideology of LalKitab. Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself by reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you prescribe. P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms in the grammer portion " Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two > last questions. > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > 10th? > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same > for two different planets in the same house? > > Respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > As per your version > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > the sun to the 4th house " > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > feel > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this > every > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > Ikkathe " > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. > One > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in > a > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > changes > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and equalents, > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all > the > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word > by > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > By the way > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > > Books' > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > take > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > jupiter > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana > > hai > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > mein > > > bahani paregi. > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter > ko > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka > kyon > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > book. > > > But > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > water > > in > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > > haldi > > > or > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also > had > > > this > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > thrown > > > into > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > 10th > > > house. > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in > the > > > water. > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > for > > > Sun in > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Respected Bhardwaj ji, Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know' respectfully, Chandra Prakash , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > LalKitab. > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell > the group your self that " why jupiter items not involved in Jupiter > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the ideology > of LalKitab. > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself by > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you > prescribe. > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms in > the grammer portion " > > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two > > last questions. > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > > 10th? > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > As per your version > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > > feel > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this > > every > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > > Ikkathe " > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. > > One > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in > > a > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > changes > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > equalents, > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all > > the > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word > > by > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > By the way > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > > > Books' > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > > jupiter > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > pahunchana > > > hai > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > > mein > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter > > ko > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka > > kyon > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan > ki > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > > book. > > > > But > > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > > water > > > in > > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > > > haldi > > > > or > > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also > > had > > > > this > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > > thrown > > > > into > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > > 10th > > > > house. > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in > > the > > > > water. > > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > > for > > > > Sun in > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 23.10.2006 ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam, today i am writing in the group after along gap of time sorry for not being in touch for a quite long time .it is really very difficult to be away from such a group in which each and every person is highly qualified and knows his job in perfect way but on the same time when lot of people are working there may be confliction of ideas in between some people.but u all know we are reading that book and more over are analysing it,which teaches us to be unite to live together to respect each other and make our home and society free from all disputes and misunderstandings. yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mr cp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raised but if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question he should have patience to listen and understand what the others are saying one should not react immediately i had read the discussion and i am interveining because it seems that we are trying to learn this book by closed minds i had read somewhere that minds are like parachutes they work only if they are open.so dont close ur minds be open and i will also request u all not to read those small pocket books and guides on lal kitab .try to get the original version and go accordingly if u are having a wrong map or incomplete map it will lead u incomplete destination so be genuine buy genuine and read genuine. till date i am reading and trying to understand lal kitab but each time i get new things but one thing is there that u have to be very thorough with the grammar portion of the lal kitab. the question raised by tyagi ji is very simple in one way but for some persons it is complicated also so let us come to the topic . lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitab ke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two words themselves have got very big meanings in them.i can tell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn he should try to use his brain also then he /she will be able to understand very easily if anyone makes him understand because he had already done the effort to do so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab again and again and again----. i think u all had read that which ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like in the question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenth house it is neech and i think it is written in the book very clearly in the earlier and grammar portion that dont do any futile measure to make it good but try to break that planet in two parts and see in masnui greh and from that part do the job accordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha where as sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is your answer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two parts it is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus is good because it is friend of saturn and the left out portion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw 43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doing so we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.so this is the answer that why we had to do upaye for copper coin only and not the channa dal because it wont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neech ho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insani taakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43 coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10 ,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and the rest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us ki masnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene se kuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab mein us ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hi is ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni neki aur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hi kya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar us allah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apne bandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yeh to hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi mein basta hai . so dear friends and brothers dont mind my words ,i write in a single flow, i dont even read again so we all are there to learn and learn and understand the lal kitab between and behind the lines written so be open give ur findings open ur parachutes and think tanks so that we can give more and more out of this book to our society which is still hidden. we all are one soul and our blood is red and we are reading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix our red blood with blue colour and destroy the happiness and purity of the group. may the almighty bless us all regards ms kondal --- cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I > do not know' > > respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware > of grammer of > > LalKitab. > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab > -1952 and find the > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the > grammer, you tell > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not > involved in > Jupiter > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained > in grammer. > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight > to remedial > > prescriptions before even studying the basic > concepts of the > ideology > > of LalKitab. > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then > it is my humble > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do > it on yourself > by > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any > other to whom you > > prescribe. > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the > definitions of terms > in > > the grammer portion " > > > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you > have said. Just > two > > > last questions. > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and > the jupiter in the > > > 10th? > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where > the upaya is > same > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal > Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > As per your version > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > understandable that > by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > for 43 days will > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is > your perception. I > > > feel > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this > idea. As per > this > > > every > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make > " Sabhi Grah > > > Ikkathe " > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so > easy to > understand. > > > One > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet > placement, its behaviour > in > > > a > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific > Khana, aspectual > > > changes > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, > friends, and > > equalents, > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or > not and above > all > > > the > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not > carefully read the > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your > end. Read slowly > word > > > by > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > By the way > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be > the result > of 'Dalda > > > > Books' > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > understandable that > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > for 43 days will > > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne > se 10th house ka > > > jupiter > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko > 4th mein > > pahunchana > > > > hai > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, > kesar ya haldi pani > > > mein > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein > sthapit karne se > jupiter > > > ko > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko > 4th mein bhejne > ka > > > kyon > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane > rahne dena > kahan > > ki > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Dear members, In Vedic Astrology it was Dr. B.V.Raman,K.N.Rao,Sanjay Rath, and many others who Re-established the vedic rules ,cleared many doubts in interpretating Rishis work and gave some respectable position to Vedic astrology in the world. It also took many years and still we are trying more to understand. For Lal Kitab still we are very new to subject and i am in search of Guru who can teach the grammer portion of it, with this we cann't step further. Those who have studied in debt till date have not given any papers in writing,explanation of grammitical portion of lal-kitab. I am not in the position to become researcher of lal kitab so awating for the Guru. Shri Nirmal KumarJi has made the hard effort to De-code the lal Kitab for which i appreciate him a lot and he has also asked every members to support him by debating on the topics time to time. Let try to give genuine answer to the querries as Chandra prakashji has made. Shri M S Kondal had tried to give the explanation which is appreciatable. Thanks & Regard Happy Diwali and spread love on this Bhaiya Dhooz Day. Vijay Goel. - maneshwar singh kondal Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:04 AM Re: Re: A doubt 23.10.2006 ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam,today i am writing in the group after along gap oftime sorry for not being in touch for a quite longtime .it is really very difficult to be away from sucha group in which each and every person is highlyqualified and knows his job in perfect way but on thesame time when lot of people are working there may beconfliction of ideas in between some people.but u allknow we are reading that book and more over areanalysing it,which teaches us to be unite to livetogether to respect each other and make our home andsociety free from all disputes and misunderstandings.yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mrcp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raisedbut if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question heshould have patience to listen and understand what theothers are saying one should not react immediately ihad read the discussion and i am interveining becauseit seems that we are trying to learn this book byclosed minds i had read somewhere that minds are likeparachutes they work only if they are open.so dontclose ur minds be open and i will also request u allnot to read those small pocket books and guides on lalkitab .try to get the original version and goaccordingly if u are having a wrong map or incompletemap it will lead u incomplete destination so begenuine buy genuine and read genuine. till date i am reading and trying to understand lalkitab but each time i get new things but one thing isthere that u have to be very thorough with the grammarportion of the lal kitab.the question raised bytyagi ji is very simple in one way but for somepersons it is complicated also so let us come to thetopic .lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitabke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two wordsthemselves have got very big meanings in them.i cantell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn heshould try to use his brain also then he /she will beable to understand very easily if anyone makes himunderstand because he had already done the effort todo so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab againand again and again----.i think u all had read thatwhich ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like inthe question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenthhouse it is neech and i think it is written in thebook very clearly in the earlier and grammar portionthat dont do any futile measure to make it good buttry to break that planet in two parts and see inmasnui greh and from that part do the jobaccordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha whereas sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is youranswer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two partsit is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus isgood because it is friend of saturn and the left outportion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doingso we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.sothis is the answer that why we had to do upaye forcopper coin only and not the channa dal because itwont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neechho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insanitaakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and therest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us kimasnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene sekuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab meinus ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hiis ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni nekiaur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hikya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar usallah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apnebandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yehto hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi meinbasta hai .so dear friends and brothers dont mind mywords ,i write in a single flow, i dont even readagain so we all are there to learn and learn andunderstand the lal kitab between and behind the lineswritten so be open give ur findings open ur parachutesand think tanks so that we can give more and more outof this book to our society which is still hidden.we all are one soul and our blood is red and we arereading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix ourred blood with blue colour and destroy the happinessand purity of the group.may the almighty bless us all regardsms kondal - cp_tyagi2006 Monday, October 23, 2006 9:35 PM Re: A doubt Respected Bhardwaj ji,Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know'respectfully,Chandra Prakash , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar_chd wrote:>> Respected Tyagi Ji,> From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > LalKitab. > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell > the group your self that "why jupiter items not involved in Jupiter > 10th remedy". It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the ideology > of LalKitab. > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself by > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you > prescribe. > > P.S. "Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms in > the grammer portion"> > Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> , > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> >> > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two > > last questions.> > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > > 10th? > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same > > for two different planets in the same house?> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Tyagi Ji,> > > As per your version> > > "when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > > the sun to the 4th house"> > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > > feel > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this > > every > > > body will be able to make "panchayat" or make "Sabhi Grah > > Ikkathe" > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. > > One > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in > > a > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > changes > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > equalents, > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all > > the > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab.> > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word > > by > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > By the way> > > "Flowing water -House No.4 ????" ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > > > Books'> > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > , > > > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house.> > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > > jupiter > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > pahunchana > > > hai > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > > mein > > > > bahani paregi.> > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter > > ko > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka > > kyon > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan > ki > > > > aklamandi hai> > > > > > > > respectfully,> > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji,> > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > > book. > > > > But> > > > > from your question I have some querry> > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > > water > > > in> > > > > case of Sun in 10th?> > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > > > haldi > > > > or> > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > , "cp_tyagi2006"> > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also > > had > > > > this > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > > thrown > > > > into > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > > 10th > > > > house. > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in > > the > > > > water.> > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > > for > > > > Sun in > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference?> > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Respected Tyagi Ki, I feel you have not carefully read the first line of my first reply to you querry. In Punjabi a phrase is there " Khada Josh , Maal Praya " " & #2326; & #2366; & #2342; & #2366; & #2332; & #2379; & #2358; & #2350; & #2366; & #2354; & #2346; & #2352; & #2366; & #2351; & #2366; " So Tyagi ji,I will not going to be dragged in Josh , because the discussion should not end like this. Mere Fande to bilkul clear hain Tyagi Ji, 1. Agar apne haath se khud daal roti banayen to recipe kabhi nahin bhule gi, aur agar bani banaayee roti khaa-aaingay to roti bannane mein kya kya logic lagte hain kabhi pataa hee nahin chalega. 2.10th class ke question solve karne kay liye pehli 9 classes mein kya padha hai , veh bhee yaad rehnaa jaroori hai or in other words " 5th standard wale ko 10th ke questions kaa logic naheen poochhna chahiye, behtar yahee hoga ke woh 5th kay syllabus ko dhyaan se padhe, nahin to 10th mein phir logic dhoondne ke liye 5th ki kitab padhni padhegi. " 3. Jis Lalkitab ke student ko " Grah Phal or Rashi Phal Ke Phande Clear nahin , usay remedial measures nahin use karne chaahiye. Grah Phall aur rashi phal kay baarey mein Grammer bilkul clear karti hai. It would have been better if you try to solve the querry yourself by the given rules of the grammer and then asked the opinion of Worthy Gurus in our group. My previous reply was given only to instigate thrust upon you to read the grammer again and find your answer your self, then discuss your findings in group. Any how it is over for your this querry as Respected Kondal Ji already illustrated in a systematic way the logic behind this remedy. I wish you feel satisfied. You may feel free to continue the discussion. Best Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know' > > respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > > LalKitab. > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not involved in > Jupiter > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the > ideology > > of LalKitab. > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself > by > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you > > prescribe. > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms > in > > the grammer portion " > > > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just > two > > > last questions. > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > > > 10th? > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is > same > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > As per your version > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that > by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > > > feel > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per > this > > > every > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > > > Ikkathe " > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to > understand. > > > One > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour > in > > > a > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > > changes > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > > equalents, > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above > all > > > the > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly > word > > > by > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > By the way > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result > of 'Dalda > > > > Books' > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > > > jupiter > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > > pahunchana > > > > hai > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > > > mein > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se > jupiter > > > ko > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne > ka > > > kyon > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena > kahan > > ki > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of > the > > > book. > > > > > But > > > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > > > water > > > > in > > > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest > putting > > > > haldi > > > > > or > > > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I > also > > > had > > > > > this > > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > > > thrown > > > > > into > > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in > the > > > 10th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi > in > > > the > > > > > water. > > > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water > is > > > for > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Respected Kondal Ji, I am really grateful that you broke your silence after long time. Thanks to Mr. Tyagi, with whose efforts we are able to hear beautiful treatise of the subject. Aap ka samjhane kaa method bada hee simple and nishaane par hai. Main aashaa karta hoon ke Group ke har member ko is se LalKitab ko samajhne mein bahut madad mile gi. I wish the group will always get the blessings from the Gurus like you. I, on the behalf of all the members, show my gratitude towards you. Always pray for your blessings Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: > > 23.10.2006 > ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam, > > today i am writing in the group after along gap of > time sorry for not being in touch for a quite long > time .it is really very difficult to be away from such > a group in which each and every person is highly > qualified and knows his job in perfect way but on the > same time when lot of people are working there may be > confliction of ideas in between some people.but u all > know we are reading that book and more over are > analysing it,which teaches us to be unite to live > together to respect each other and make our home and > society free from all disputes and misunderstandings. > yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mr > cp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raised > but if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question he > should have patience to listen and understand what the > others are saying one should not react immediately i > had read the discussion and i am interveining because > it seems that we are trying to learn this book by > closed minds i had read somewhere that minds are like > parachutes they work only if they are open.so dont > close ur minds be open and i will also request u all > not to read those small pocket books and guides on lal > kitab .try to get the original version and go > accordingly if u are having a wrong map or incomplete > map it will lead u incomplete destination so be > genuine buy genuine and read genuine. > > till date i am reading and trying to understand lal > kitab but each time i get new things but one thing is > there that u have to be very thorough with the grammar > portion of the lal kitab. > the question raised by > tyagi ji is very simple in one way but for some > persons it is complicated also so let us come to the > topic . > lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitab > ke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two words > themselves have got very big meanings in them.i can > tell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn he > should try to use his brain also then he /she will be > able to understand very easily if anyone makes him > understand because he had already done the effort to > do so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab again > and again and again----. > i think u all had read that > which ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like in > the question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenth > house it is neech and i think it is written in the > book very clearly in the earlier and grammar portion > that dont do any futile measure to make it good but > try to break that planet in two parts and see in > masnui greh and from that part do the job > accordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha where > as sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is your > answer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two parts > it is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus is > good because it is friend of saturn and the left out > portion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw > 43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doing > so we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.so > this is the answer that why we had to do upaye for > copper coin only and not the channa dal because it > wont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neech > ho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insani > taakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43 > coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10 > ,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and the > rest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us ki > masnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene se > kuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab mein > us ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hi > is ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni neki > aur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hi > kya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar us > allah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apne > bandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yeh > to hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi mein > basta hai . > so dear friends and brothers dont mind my > words ,i write in a single flow, i dont even read > again so we all are there to learn and learn and > understand the lal kitab between and behind the lines > written so be open give ur findings open ur parachutes > and think tanks so that we can give more and more out > of this book to our society which is still hidden. > > we all are one soul and our blood is red and we are > reading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix our > red blood with blue colour and destroy the happiness > and purity of the group. > may the almighty bless us all > > regards > ms kondal > > --- cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I > > do not know' > > > > respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware > > of grammer of > > > LalKitab. > > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab > > -1952 and find the > > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the > > grammer, you tell > > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not > > involved in > > Jupiter > > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained > > in grammer. > > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight > > to remedial > > > prescriptions before even studying the basic > > concepts of the > > ideology > > > of LalKitab. > > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then > > it is my humble > > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do > > it on yourself > > by > > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any > > other to whom you > > > prescribe. > > > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the > > definitions of terms > > in > > > the grammer portion " > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you > > have said. Just > > two > > > > last questions. > > > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and > > the jupiter in the > > > > 10th? > > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where > > the upaya is > > same > > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal > > Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > > As per your version > > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > understandable that > > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > for 43 days will > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is > > your perception. I > > > > feel > > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this > > idea. As per > > this > > > > every > > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make > > " Sabhi Grah > > > > Ikkathe " > > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so > > easy to > > understand. > > > > One > > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet > > placement, its behaviour > > in > > > > a > > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific > > Khana, aspectual > > > > changes > > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, > > friends, and > > > equalents, > > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or > > not and above > > all > > > > the > > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not > > carefully read the > > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your > > end. Read slowly > > word > > > > by > > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > > By the way > > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be > > the result > > of 'Dalda > > > > > Books' > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > , > > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > understandable that > > by > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > for 43 days will > > > > take > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne > > se 10th house ka > > > > jupiter > > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko > > 4th mein > > > pahunchana > > > > > hai > > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, > > kesar ya haldi pani > > > > mein > > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein > > sthapit karne se > > jupiter > > > > ko > > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko > > 4th mein bhejne > > ka > > > > kyon > > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane > > rahne dena > > kahan > > > ki > > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Aadarneeya Kondal ji, Thank you sir. Now I understand the reason for doing the upaya of Sun for the jupiter in the 10th. aap ke uttar se, mere man mein ek aur prashna tha uska bhi uttar milgaya. aisa hi prashna jupiter in the 8th ke bare mein tha, jahan shukra ki cheezen mandir mein dene ko kaha gaya hai. yeh baaten apne aap kitab parhne se samajha mein nahi aatin. Koi aap jaisa vidwan yadi ishaara kar de to baat samajhne mein suvidha ho jatee hai. aap ka aabhaari hun. ek prashna aur hai yadi aap uchit samajhen to uttar den. Kya grah ki karak vastuon ko paani mein pravahit karne se woh 4th house mein pahunch jaatee hain? Isee prakar kya mandir mein dene se 2nd house mein pahunch jaatee hain. Yeh prashna meine is liye poochha ki general understanding yahi hai. Respected Bhardwaj ji ka mananaa hai ki yeh sab Lal Kitab par likhee gayee `dalda books' ki samajha hai. aap ka kya mananaa hai? respectfully, Chandra Prakash , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote: > > 23.10.2006 > ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam, > > today i am writing in the group after along gap of > time sorry for not being in touch for a quite long > time .it is really very difficult to be away from such > a group in which each and every person is highly > qualified and knows his job in perfect way but on the > same time when lot of people are working there may be > confliction of ideas in between some people.but u all > know we are reading that book and more over are > analysing it,which teaches us to be unite to live > together to respect each other and make our home and > society free from all disputes and misunderstandings. > yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mr > cp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raised > but if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question he > should have patience to listen and understand what the > others are saying one should not react immediately i > had read the discussion and i am interveining because > it seems that we are trying to learn this book by > closed minds i had read somewhere that minds are like > parachutes they work only if they are open.so dont > close ur minds be open and i will also request u all > not to read those small pocket books and guides on lal > kitab .try to get the original version and go > accordingly if u are having a wrong map or incomplete > map it will lead u incomplete destination so be > genuine buy genuine and read genuine. > > till date i am reading and trying to understand lal > kitab but each time i get new things but one thing is > there that u have to be very thorough with the grammar > portion of the lal kitab. > the question raised by > tyagi ji is very simple in one way but for some > persons it is complicated also so let us come to the > topic . > lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitab > ke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two words > themselves have got very big meanings in them.i can > tell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn he > should try to use his brain also then he /she will be > able to understand very easily if anyone makes him > understand because he had already done the effort to > do so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab again > and again and again----. > i think u all had read that > which ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like in > the question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenth > house it is neech and i think it is written in the > book very clearly in the earlier and grammar portion > that dont do any futile measure to make it good but > try to break that planet in two parts and see in > masnui greh and from that part do the job > accordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha where > as sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is your > answer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two parts > it is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus is > good because it is friend of saturn and the left out > portion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw > 43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doing > so we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.so > this is the answer that why we had to do upaye for > copper coin only and not the channa dal because it > wont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neech > ho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insani > taakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43 > coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10 > ,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and the > rest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us ki > masnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene se > kuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab mein > us ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hi > is ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni neki > aur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hi > kya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar us > allah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apne > bandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yeh > to hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi mein > basta hai . > so dear friends and brothers dont mind my > words ,i write in a single flow, i dont even read > again so we all are there to learn and learn and > understand the lal kitab between and behind the lines > written so be open give ur findings open ur parachutes > and think tanks so that we can give more and more out > of this book to our society which is still hidden. > > we all are one soul and our blood is red and we are > reading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix our > red blood with blue colour and destroy the happiness > and purity of the group. > may the almighty bless us all > > regards > ms kondal > > --- cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I > > do not know' > > > > respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware > > of grammer of > > > LalKitab. > > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab > > -1952 and find the > > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the > > grammer, you tell > > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not > > involved in > > Jupiter > > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained > > in grammer. > > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight > > to remedial > > > prescriptions before even studying the basic > > concepts of the > > ideology > > > of LalKitab. > > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then > > it is my humble > > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do > > it on yourself > > by > > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any > > other to whom you > > > prescribe. > > > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the > > definitions of terms > > in > > > the grammer portion " > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you > > have said. Just > > two > > > > last questions. > > > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and > > the jupiter in the > > > > 10th? > > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where > > the upaya is > > same > > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal > > Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > > As per your version > > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > understandable that > > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > for 43 days will > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is > > your perception. I > > > > feel > > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this > > idea. As per > > this > > > > every > > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make > > " Sabhi Grah > > > > Ikkathe " > > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so > > easy to > > understand. > > > > One > > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet > > placement, its behaviour > > in > > > > a > > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific > > Khana, aspectual > > > > changes > > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, > > friends, and > > > equalents, > > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or > > not and above > > all > > > > the > > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not > > carefully read the > > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your > > end. Read slowly > > word > > > > by > > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > > By the way > > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be > > the result > > of 'Dalda > > > > > Books' > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > , > > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > understandable that > > by > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > for 43 days will > > > > take > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne > > se 10th house ka > > > > jupiter > > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko > > 4th mein > > > pahunchana > > > > > hai > > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, > > kesar ya haldi pani > > > > mein > > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein > > sthapit karne se > > jupiter > > > > ko > > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko > > 4th mein bhejne > > ka > > > > kyon > > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane > > rahne dena > > kahan > > > ki > > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Respected Chandra Prakash Ji, I am happy that at last some one has inquired about the logic behind the remedial measures. But I will request you with folded hands that you first (and must) go through the Grammar part of the revered Lal Kitab before jumping to any conclusion. Lets complete your MBBS course (proficiency in the grammar of Lal Kitab) first, then you will have ample chances to operate upon the patients. The answer given by Shri MS Kondal is the most appropriate one. At the same time the suggestion given to you (rather us) by Sh. Nirmal Bhardwaj ji is also not ignorable. It might have hurt you in the first place, but believe me he is 101% correct. Because, these “Dalda Books” has harmed the cause of Lal Kitab astrology very badly. These books are responsible in spreading numerous misconceptions like “Kisi Greh Ko Kisi Bhi Ghar Mein Pahunchaney wali theory” so on and so forth. If you are reading these Dalda books it is not at all your fault, because that is what is accessible to any Lal Kitab student. Dear Sir, planets are not like cup and saucers that you can place them as per your convenience. Yes, in some cases (in case of Rashiphal planet) one can take advantage of the doubtful state of a particular planet, but not always. By keeping/offering/throwing/immersing/donating/burying article relating to a particular planet in a place relating to certain house does not means that you are “Sending or establishing” a planet in a particular house, don’t you think it is comical? The simple sense behind these corrective measures is to get some help of a friendly planet or house in reducing the malefic nature of a planet. Last but not the least, running water has nothing to do with the fourth house of the Kundli. You would not have asked this question if you had access to the authentic material, because this concept is very much mentioned in the very first chapter of the Lal Kitab 1952. Regards Yograj Prabhakar.cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Aadarneeya Kondal ji,Thank you sir.Now I understand the reason for doing the upaya of Sun for the jupiter in the 10th.aap ke uttar se, mere man mein ek aur prashna tha uska bhi uttar milgaya. aisa hi prashna jupiter in the 8th ke bare mein tha, jahan shukra ki cheezen mandir mein dene ko kaha gaya hai.yeh baaten apne aap kitab parhne se samajha mein nahi aatin. Koi aap jaisa vidwan yadi ishaara kar de to baat samajhne mein suvidha ho jatee hai.aap ka aabhaari hun.ek prashna aur hai yadi aap uchit samajhen to uttar den.Kya grah ki karak vastuon ko paani mein pravahit karne se woh 4th house mein pahunch jaatee hain?Isee prakar kya mandir mein dene se 2nd house mein pahunch jaatee hain.Yeh prashna meine is liye poochha ki general understanding yahi hai.Respected Bhardwaj ji ka mananaa hai ki yeh sab Lal Kitab par likhee gayee `dalda books' ki samajha hai.aap ka kya mananaa hai? respectfully,Chandra Prakash , maneshwar singh kondal <mskondal wrote:>> 23.10.2006> ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam,> > today i am writing in the group after along gap of> time sorry for not being in touch for a quite long> time .it is really very difficult to be away from such> a group in which each and every person is highly> qualified and knows his job in perfect way but on the> same time when lot of people are working there may be> confliction of ideas in between some people.but u all> know we are reading that book and more over are> analysing it,which teaches us to be unite to live> together to respect each other and make our home and> society free from all disputes and misunderstandings.> yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mr> cp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raised> but if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question he> should have patience to listen and understand what the> others are saying one should not react immediately i> had read the discussion and i am interveining because> it seems that we are trying to learn this book by> closed minds i had read somewhere that minds are like> parachutes they work only if they are open.so dont> close ur minds be open and i will also request u all> not to read those small pocket books and guides on lal> kitab .try to get the original version and go> accordingly if u are having a wrong map or incomplete> map it will lead u incomplete destination so be> genuine buy genuine and read genuine. > > till date i am reading and trying to understand lal> kitab but each time i get new things but one thing is> there that u have to be very thorough with the grammar> portion of the lal kitab.> the question raised by> tyagi ji is very simple in one way but for some> persons it is complicated also so let us come to the> topic .> lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitab> ke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two words> themselves have got very big meanings in them.i can> tell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn he> should try to use his brain also then he /she will be> able to understand very easily if anyone makes him> understand because he had already done the effort to> do so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab again> and again and again----.> i think u all had read that> which ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like in> the question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenth> house it is neech and i think it is written in the> book very clearly in the earlier and grammar portion> that dont do any futile measure to make it good but> try to break that planet in two parts and see in> masnui greh and from that part do the job> accordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha where> as sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is your> answer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two parts> it is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus is> good because it is friend of saturn and the left out> portion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw> 43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doing> so we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.so> this is the answer that why we had to do upaye for> copper coin only and not the channa dal because it> wont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neech> ho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insani> taakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43> coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10> ,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and the> rest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us ki> masnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene se> kuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab mein> us ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hi> is ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni neki> aur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hi> kya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar us> allah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apne> bandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yeh> to hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi mein> basta hai .> so dear friends and brothers dont mind my> words ,i write in a single flow, i dont even read> again so we all are there to learn and learn and> understand the lal kitab between and behind the lines> written so be open give ur findings open ur parachutes> and think tanks so that we can give more and more out> of this book to our society which is still hidden.> > we all are one soul and our blood is red and we are> reading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix our> red blood with blue colour and destroy the happiness> and purity of the group.> may the almighty bless us all > > regards> ms kondal > > --- cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote:> > > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I> > do not know'> > > > respectfully,> > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar> > Bhardwaj" > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Tyagi Ji,> > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware> > of grammer of > > > LalKitab. > > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab> > -1952 and find the > > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the> > grammer, you tell > > > the group your self that "why jupiter items not> > involved in > > Jupiter > > > 10th remedy". It is a very simple rule explained> > in grammer. > > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight> > to remedial > > > prescriptions before even studying the basic> > concepts of the > > ideology > > > of LalKitab. > > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then> > it is my humble > > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do> > it on yourself > > by > > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any> > other to whom you > > > prescribe. > > > > > > P.S. "Answer to your querry is hidden in the> > definitions of terms > > in > > > the grammer portion"> > > > > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > , > > > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you> > have said. Just > > two > > > > last questions.> > > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and> > the jupiter in the > > > > 10th? > > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where> > the upaya is > > same > > > > for two different planets in the same house?> > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal> > Kumar Bhardwaj" > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji,> > > > > As per your version> > > > > "when Sun is in the 10th house then it is> > understandable that > > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water> > for 43 days will > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house"> > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is> > your perception. I > > > > feel > > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this> > idea. As per > > this > > > > every > > > > > body will be able to make "panchayat" or make> > "Sabhi Grah > > > > Ikkathe" > > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so> > easy to > > understand. > > > > One > > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet> > placement, its behaviour > > in > > > > a > > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific> > Khana, aspectual > > > > changes > > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies,> > friends, and > > > equalents, > > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or> > not and above > > all > > > > the > > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab.> > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not> > carefully read the > > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your> > end. Read slowly > > word > > > > by > > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > > By the way> > > > > "Flowing water -House No.4 ????" ---- May be> > the result > > of 'Dalda > > > > > Books'> > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > , > > > > > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is> > understandable that > > by > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water> > for 43 days will > > > > take > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house.> > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne> > se 10th house ka > > > > jupiter > > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko> > 4th mein > > > pahunchana > > > > > hai > > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal,> > kesar ya haldi pani > > > > mein > > > > > > bahani paregi.> > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein> > sthapit karne se > > jupiter > > > > ko > > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko> > 4th mein bhejne > > ka > > > > kyon > > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane> > rahne dena > > kahan > > > ki > > > > > > aklamandi hai> > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > "Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj" > > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Respected Prabhakar Ji, I agree with you Sir. I my self was the victim of these dalda books. Now after reading the original material, I came to know the difference. Now the logics are understandable more clearly. I pray to all the members please study original material. I hope Mr. Tyagi must be satisfied now. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Chandra Prakash Ji, > I am happy that at last some one has inquired about the logic behind the remedial measures. But I will request you with folded hands that you first (and must) go through the Grammar part of the revered Lal Kitab before jumping to any conclusion. Lets complete your MBBS course (proficiency in the grammar of Lal Kitab) first, then you will have ample chances to operate upon the patients. > > The answer given by Shri MS Kondal is the most appropriate one. At the same time the suggestion given to you (rather us) by Sh. Nirmal Bhardwaj ji is also not ignorable. It might have hurt you in the first place, but believe me he is 101% correct. Because, these " Dalda Books " has harmed the cause of Lal Kitab astrology very badly. These books are responsible in spreading numerous misconceptions like " Kisi Greh Ko Kisi Bhi Ghar Mein Pahunchaney wali theory " so on and so forth. If you are reading these Dalda books it is not at all your fault, because that is what is accessible to any Lal Kitab student. > > Dear Sir, planets are not like cup and saucers that you can place them as per your convenience. Yes, in some cases (in case of Rashiphal planet) one can take advantage of the doubtful state of a particular planet, but not always. > > By keeping/offering/throwing/immersing/donating/burying article relating to a particular planet in a place relating to certain house does not means that you are " Sending or establishing " a planet in a particular house, don't you think it is comical? The simple sense behind these corrective measures is to get some help of a friendly planet or house in reducing the malefic nature of a planet. > > Last but not the least, running water has nothing to do with the fourth house of the Kundli. You would not have asked this question if you had access to the authentic material, because this concept is very much mentioned in the very first chapter of the Lal Kitab 1952. > > Regards > Yograj Prabhakar. > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Aadarneeya Kondal ji, > > Thank you sir. > > Now I understand the reason for doing the upaya of Sun for the > jupiter in the 10th. > aap ke uttar se, mere man mein ek aur prashna tha uska bhi uttar > milgaya. aisa hi prashna jupiter in the 8th ke bare mein tha, jahan > shukra ki cheezen mandir mein dene ko kaha gaya hai. > > yeh baaten apne aap kitab parhne se samajha mein nahi aatin. Koi aap > jaisa vidwan yadi ishaara kar de to baat samajhne mein suvidha ho > jatee hai. > aap ka aabhaari hun. > > ek prashna aur hai yadi aap uchit samajhen to uttar den. > > Kya grah ki karak vastuon ko paani mein pravahit karne se woh 4th > house mein pahunch jaatee hain? > Isee prakar kya mandir mein dene se 2nd house mein pahunch jaatee > hain. > > Yeh prashna meine is liye poochha ki general understanding yahi hai. > > Respected Bhardwaj ji ka mananaa hai ki yeh sab Lal Kitab par likhee > gayee `dalda books' ki samajha hai. > aap ka kya mananaa hai? > > respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > , maneshwar singh kondal > <mskondal@> wrote: > > > > 23.10.2006 > > ke sarae parivaar ko mera pranaam, > > > > today i am writing in the group after along gap of > > time sorry for not being in touch for a quite long > > time .it is really very difficult to be away from such > > a group in which each and every person is highly > > qualified and knows his job in perfect way but on the > > same time when lot of people are working there may be > > confliction of ideas in between some people.but u all > > know we are reading that book and more over are > > analysing it,which teaches us to be unite to live > > together to respect each other and make our home and > > society free from all disputes and misunderstandings. > > yesterday i read the discussion going on started by mr > > cp tyagi, though it is a good question he has raised > > but if anybody or mr tyagi had raised a question he > > should have patience to listen and understand what the > > others are saying one should not react immediately i > > had read the discussion and i am interveining because > > it seems that we are trying to learn this book by > > closed minds i had read somewhere that minds are like > > parachutes they work only if they are open.so dont > > close ur minds be open and i will also request u all > > not to read those small pocket books and guides on lal > > kitab .try to get the original version and go > > accordingly if u are having a wrong map or incomplete > > map it will lead u incomplete destination so be > > genuine buy genuine and read genuine. > > > > till date i am reading and trying to understand lal > > kitab but each time i get new things but one thing is > > there that u have to be very thorough with the grammar > > portion of the lal kitab. > > the question raised by > > tyagi ji is very simple in one way but for some > > persons it is complicated also so let us come to the > > topic . > > lal kitab had come in versions like lal kitab > > ke armaan and lal kitab ke farmaan .these two words > > themselves have got very big meanings in them.i can > > tell now but i wont becaue when one want to learn he > > should try to use his brain also then he /she will be > > able to understand very easily if anyone makes him > > understand because he had already done the effort to > > do so. so there is no harm in reading lal kitab again > > and again and again----. > > i think u all had read that > > which ever greh becomes neecha or debilited like in > > the question raised by mr tyagi the jupiter in tenth > > house it is neech and i think it is written in the > > book very clearly in the earlier and grammar portion > > that dont do any futile measure to make it good but > > try to break that planet in two parts and see in > > masnui greh and from that part do the job > > accordingly.so jupiter in tenth becomes neecha where > > as sun is not neecha in tenth house .here is your > > answer mr tyagi that if we break jupiter in two parts > > it is sun +venus=jupiter .and in tenth house venus is > > good because it is friend of saturn and the left out > > portion is sun so for it the upaye is there to throw > > 43 coins in running water.not the channa dal.by doing > > so we had eliminated the bad part for some duration.so > > this is the answer that why we had to do upaye for > > copper coin only and not the channa dal because it > > wont help in any respect kyoki jo greh direct hi neech > > ho jaye usne to phal dena hi hai yeh to ham insani > > taakat ke andar honae wali baat kar rahe hain ki 43 > > coins baha de magar jo greh neech hai jaise jupiter 10 > > ,mangal 4,shani 1 ,chander 8 ,budh 12 ketu 3 and the > > rest ones apna phal to inehae dena hi hai bas us ki > > masnui halat mein se khraab portion ko nikaal dene se > > kuch araamm khuda ada kr saktaa hai jo lal kitab mein > > us ne example di hai ki khuda ke kuch khaas bande hi > > is ko us se nijaad dila saktae hai woh bhi apni neki > > aur kismat se de kar.to phir hamaari aapki aukaat hi > > kya ki uski shaan mein koi gustaki kar saken .agar us > > allah ne hamae bhi kuch samjhana hai to woh bhi apne > > bandon ke zariae hi samjhaega naa ki khud aa kar yeh > > to hamae hi samajhna hoga ki khuda to har kisi mein > > basta hai . > > so dear friends and brothers dont mind my > > words ,i write in a single flow, i dont even read > > again so we all are there to learn and learn and > > understand the lal kitab between and behind the lines > > written so be open give ur findings open ur parachutes > > and think tanks so that we can give more and more out > > of this book to our society which is still hidden. > > > > we all are one soul and our blood is red and we are > > reading lal kitab dont let that mighty rahu mix our > > red blood with blue colour and destroy the happiness > > and purity of the group. > > may the almighty bless us all > > > > regards > > ms kondal > > > > --- cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I > > > do not know' > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > > Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware > > > of grammer of > > > > LalKitab. > > > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab > > > -1952 and find the > > > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the > > > grammer, you tell > > > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not > > > involved in > > > Jupiter > > > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained > > > in grammer. > > > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight > > > to remedial > > > > prescriptions before even studying the basic > > > concepts of the > > > ideology > > > > of LalKitab. > > > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then > > > it is my humble > > > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do > > > it on yourself > > > by > > > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any > > > other to whom you > > > > prescribe. > > > > > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the > > > definitions of terms > > > in > > > > the grammer portion " > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you > > > have said. Just > > > two > > > > > last questions. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and > > > the jupiter in the > > > > > 10th? > > > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where > > > the upaya is > > > same > > > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal > > > Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > As per your version > > > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > > understandable that > > > by > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > > for 43 days will > > > take > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is > > > your perception. I > > > > > feel > > > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this > > > idea. As per > > > this > > > > > every > > > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make > > > " Sabhi Grah > > > > > Ikkathe " > > > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so > > > easy to > > > understand. > > > > > One > > > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet > > > placement, its behaviour > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific > > > Khana, aspectual > > > > > changes > > > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, > > > friends, and > > > > equalents, > > > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or > > > not and above > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not > > > carefully read the > > > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your > > > end. Read slowly > > > word > > > > > by > > > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > > > By the way > > > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be > > > the result > > > of 'Dalda > > > > > > Books' > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > , > > > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is > > > understandable that > > > by > > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water > > > for 43 days will > > > > > take > > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne > > > se 10th house ka > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko > > > 4th mein > > > > pahunchana > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, > > > kesar ya haldi pani > > > > > mein > > > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein > > > sthapit karne se > > > jupiter > > > > > ko > > > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko > > > 4th mein bhejne > > > ka > > > > > kyon > > > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane > > > rahne dena > > > kahan > > > > ki > > > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " Nirmal Kumar > > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Respected Chandra prakash ji & Bhardwaj ji, I would like to say sumthing abt the query asked by Mr. Chander praksh regarding 10th house surya.I would like to say ki 4th house jyotish mein mata ka mana gaya hai, sansar mein sabsa zada sukh ek vyakti ko mata sa milta hai.Dasva ghar jyotish mein pita ka rajya ka ghar hai aur 10th house mein surya hona ka samaya mein agar 4th house mein koi grah nahi ho tau to 10th house ka surya ko sukth avastha menin mana jata hai.Jiska karan surya pita ko rajya sa parasani da sakta hai.Us 10th house surya ko apna lia aur raj aur pita sambandhit parashani na ho usssa bachna ka lia 4th house jo mata ka hai jahan sara grah shant rahta hain , aur gol copper coin ka roop mein surya ka pratik hai aur uspar jo stamp hai vo rajya ka pratik hai ko behta dariya mein bahanna sa sun ka sambandh 4th house sa ban jata hai.Vaisa bhi surya pita ka karak hai aur mata , pita ek dusra ka karak hota hain, aur dono ek honga tau jiski patri mein surya aur chandra milenga tau jatak ka lia labhdayak hoga is lia copper coin ko jal mein bahan ko kaha jata hai. Shubhesh Sharman cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: Respected Bhardwaj ji,Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know'respectfully,Chandra Prakash , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar_chd wrote:>> Respected Tyagi Ji,> From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > LalKitab. > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell > the group your self that "why jupiter items not involved in Jupiter > 10th remedy". It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the ideology > of LalKitab. > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself by > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you > prescribe. > > P.S. "Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms in > the grammer portion"> > Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> , > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> >> > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two > > last questions.> > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > > 10th? > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same > > for two different planets in the same house?> > > > Respectfully,> > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Tyagi Ji,> > > As per your version> > > "when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > > the sun to the 4th house"> > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > > feel > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this > > every > > > body will be able to make "panchayat" or make "Sabhi Grah > > Ikkathe" > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. > > One > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in > > a > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > changes > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > equalents, > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all > > the > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab.> > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word > > by > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > By the way> > > "Flowing water -House No.4 ????" ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > > > Books'> > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > , > > > "cp_tyagi2006" <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji,> > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house.> > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > > jupiter > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > pahunchana > > > hai > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > > mein > > > > bahani paregi.> > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter > > ko > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka > > kyon > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan > ki > > > > aklamandi hai> > > > > > > > respectfully,> > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji,> > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > > book. > > > > But> > > > > from your question I have some querry> > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > > water > > > in> > > > > case of Sun in 10th?> > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > > > haldi > > > > or> > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > , "cp_tyagi2006"> > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also > > had > > > > this > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > > thrown > > > > into > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > > 10th > > > > house. > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in > > the > > > > water.> > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > > for > > > > Sun in > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference?> > > > > > > > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 respected sharman ji, aap prashna nahi samajh paye. baat 10th house mein jupiter + sun ki nahi ho rahi. baat 10th house mein akele jupiter ki ho rahi thi. Regards, Chandra Prakash , shubhesh sharman <ss_sharman wrote: > > Respected Chandra Prakash ji, > > Jupiter aur sun dono aacha mitra hain.10th House lal kitab ka sidhantaun sa jupiter ka favorable house nahi hai, jyotish sashtra ka sidhantha ka anusar jupiter jis house mein bethta hai us house ki hani karta hai, thek aisa he sun ka saath mein jitna grah hota hain vo aast hota hain unka prabhav vishas nahi hota.Tau siddhanth kehta hai 10th house ka anusar jo jyotish shastra mein karam ka ghar bhi hai jiska surya karak hai aur jupiter sthan hani karta hain aur sun ka saath hona ka karan uska prabhav nahi hota islia jupiter ko na chala kar sun ko he chalana chahiya. > > Shubhesh Sharman > > bhupesh sharma <bhupeshastro wrote: > dear tyagi ji > earlier also i suggest u to read the holy lal kitab carefully , but u have not read th kitab till now . again i m suggesting u to read the kitab carefully regarding both the planets you will become to know yourself . > without reading this book you will not understand it properly. > Shri Nirmal Ji also suggesting you to read the kitab yourself. > Thanking you > Regard > Pt. Bhupesh Sharma > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 > Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:14:33 -0000 > Re: A doubt > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just two > last questions. > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > 10th? > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is same > for two different planets in the same house? > > Respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > As per your version > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will take > > the sun to the 4th house " > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > feel > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per this > every > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > Ikkathe " > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to understand. > One > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour in > a > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > changes > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and equalents, > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above all > the > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly word > by > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > By the way > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result of 'Dalda > > Books' > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that by > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > take > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > jupiter > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein pahunchana > > hai > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > mein > > > bahani paregi. > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se jupiter > ko > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne ka > kyon > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena kahan ki > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > book. > > > But > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > water > > in > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > > haldi > > > or > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also > had > > > this > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > thrown > > > into > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > 10th > > > house. > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in > the > > > water. > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > for > > > Sun in > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Shubhesh Ji, Let us assume what we try to justify is correct. Why we try to move the sooraj to 4th, why not to house no.1 where sooraj is exalted? Let us invite others to give their opinion on this topic and see what will be the final conclusion. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , shubhesh sharman <ss_sharman wrote: > > Respected Chandra prakash ji & Bhardwaj ji, > > I would like to say sumthing abt the query asked by Mr. Chander praksh regarding 10th house surya.I would like to say ki 4th house jyotish mein mata ka mana gaya hai, sansar mein sabsa zada sukh ek vyakti ko mata sa milta hai.Dasva ghar jyotish mein pita ka rajya ka ghar hai aur 10th house mein surya hona ka samaya mein agar 4th house mein koi grah nahi ho tau to 10th house ka surya ko sukth avastha menin mana jata hai.Jiska karan surya pita ko rajya sa parasani da sakta hai.Us 10th house surya ko apna lia aur raj aur pita sambandhit parashani na ho usssa bachna ka lia 4th house jo mata ka hai jahan sara grah shant rahta hain , aur gol copper coin ka roop mein surya ka pratik hai aur uspar jo stamp hai vo rajya ka pratik hai ko behta dariya mein bahanna sa sun ka sambandh 4th house sa ban jata hai.Vaisa bhi surya pita ka karak hai aur mata , pita ek dusra ka karak hota hain, aur dono ek honga tau jiski patri mein surya aur chandra milenga tau jatak ka lia labhdayak hoga > is lia copper coin ko jal mein bahan ko kaha jata hai. > > Shubhesh Sharman > > > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know' > > respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > > LalKitab. > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you tell > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not involved in > Jupiter > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the > ideology > > of LalKitab. > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my humble > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself > by > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom you > > prescribe. > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of terms > in > > the grammer portion " > > > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. Just > two > > > last questions. > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in the > > > 10th? > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is > same > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > As per your version > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that > by > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > take > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. I > > > feel > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per > this > > > every > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > > > Ikkathe " > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to > understand. > > > One > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its behaviour > in > > > a > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > > changes > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > > equalents, > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above > all > > > the > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly > word > > > by > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > By the way > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result > of 'Dalda > > > > Books' > > > > Regards > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > , > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable that > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house ka > > > jupiter > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > > pahunchana > > > > hai > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi pani > > > mein > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se > jupiter > > > ko > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein bhejne > ka > > > kyon > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena > kahan > > ki > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > Bhardwaj " > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of > the > > > book. > > > > > But > > > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing > > > water > > > > in > > > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest > putting > > > > haldi > > > > > or > > > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I > also > > > had > > > > > this > > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > > > thrown > > > > > into > > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in > the > > > 10th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi > in > > > the > > > > > water. > > > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water > is > > > for > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Res. Nirbhar ji, As i read in Lal-kitab if there is planet in later houses(7 to 12th) and earlier house is vecant than later house called " Asleep " house. As per your example Sun in 10th house and 4th house is vecant than the person does not get benefits from Govt.because 10th house slept. LALKITAB KE ANUSAR PAHLE BHAV MAIN GRAH HO AUR BADH KA GHAR KHALI HO TO GRAH SOYA HUA MANA JAYEGA JISKE LIYE GRAH KO JAGANA PADTA HEY, AUR BAAD KE GHAR MAIN GRAH HO AUR PEHLA GHAR KHALI HO TO BAAD KA GHAR SOYA HUA MANA JAYEGA USKEY LIYE GHAR KO JAGANE KA UPAY KARNA PADTA HEY. JESE ES UDHAHARAN MAIN 10VAIN GHAR MAIN SURYA HEY AUR 4THA GHAR KHALI HEY TO JATAK SARKAR YA SARKAAR SE SAMBANDHIT KAMON SE KOI FAYDA NAHIN LE PAYEGA KYONKI YAHAN 10VAN GHAR SOYA MANA JAYEGA JABKI 10VAIN GHAR SE SAMBHANDIT RISDHTEYDARON KO SARKAR SAMBANDHI KOI PRESHANI NAHIN HOGI VARAN FAYDA HI HOGA AGAR DRISHI YA TAKRAV SE SURYA MANDA NA HO RAHA HO TO KYONKI SURYA KA PHAL SIRF 10VAIN GHAR TAK HI SIMAT KAR RAH GAYA HEY.YAHAN AGAR SURYA MANDA HO RAHA HEY TO SURYA KA UPAY KARNA CHAHIYE. SURYA MANDA NAHIN HEY TO 10 VAIN GHAR MAIN BETHEY SURYA KA LABH LENE KE LIYE CHANDRMA KA UPAY KARNA CHAHIYE KYONKI 4THA GHAR CHANDRA SE JAGEY. LAL-KITAB KE GRAMER PORTION MAIN YE BAAT SAAF LIKHI HEY. GRAH KA JAGANA AUR GHAR KA JAGANA DONO ALAG ALAG BATAIN HAIN. CHOTA MUNH AUR BADI BAAT KE LIYE GUSTAKHI MAAF KARIYEGA. REGARDS UMESH SHARMA , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " <nirbhar_chd wrote: > > Dear Shubhesh Ji, > Let us assume what we try to justify is correct. Why we try to move > the sooraj to 4th, why not to house no.1 where sooraj is exalted? > Let us invite others to give their opinion on this topic and see what > will be the final conclusion. > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , shubhesh sharman > <ss_sharman@> wrote: > > > > Respected Chandra prakash ji & Bhardwaj ji, > > > > I would like to say sumthing abt the query asked by Mr. Chander > praksh regarding 10th house surya.I would like to say ki 4th house > jyotish mein mata ka mana gaya hai, sansar mein sabsa zada sukh ek > vyakti ko mata sa milta hai.Dasva ghar jyotish mein pita ka rajya ka > ghar hai aur 10th house mein surya hona ka samaya mein agar 4th > house mein koi grah nahi ho tau to 10th house ka surya ko sukth > avastha menin mana jata hai.Jiska karan surya pita ko rajya sa > parasani da sakta hai.Us 10th house surya ko apna lia aur raj aur > pita sambandhit parashani na ho usssa bachna ka lia 4th house jo > mata ka hai jahan sara grah shant rahta hain , aur gol copper coin > ka roop mein surya ka pratik hai aur uspar jo stamp hai vo rajya ka > pratik hai ko behta dariya mein bahanna sa sun ka sambandh 4th house > sa ban jata hai.Vaisa bhi surya pita ka karak hai aur mata , pita ek > dusra ka karak hota hain, aur dono ek honga tau jiski patri mein > surya aur chandra milenga tau jatak ka lia labhdayak hoga > > is lia copper coin ko jal mein bahan ko kaha jata hai. > > > > Shubhesh Sharman > > > > > > > > > > cp_tyagi2006 <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > Thanks. It would have been easier for you to say 'I do not know' > > > > respectfully, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > From your querries it seems that you are not aware of grammer of > > > LalKitab. > > > You must read grammer portion of the LalKitab -1952 and find the > > > answer your self. I wish that after studying the grammer, you > tell > > > the group your self that " why jupiter items not involved in > > Jupiter > > > 10th remedy " . It is a very simple rule explained in grammer. > > > Many so called astrologer quacks jumped straight to remedial > > > prescriptions before even studying the basic concepts of the > > ideology > > > of LalKitab. > > > Tyagi Ji, If you are a practising astrologer, then it is my > humble > > > request that you do not prescribe remedies or do it on yourself > > by > > > reading the remedies only.it may harm you or any other to whom > you > > > prescribe. > > > > > > P.S. " Answer to your querry is hidden in the definitions of > terms > > in > > > the grammer portion " > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you sir. I will read the Lal Kitab as you have said. > Just > > two > > > > last questions. > > > > > > > > 1) Why the same upaya for sun in the 10th and the jupiter in > the > > > > 10th? > > > > 2) Is there any other example in the book where the upaya is > > same > > > > for two different planets in the same house? > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj " > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > > As per your version > > > > > " when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable > that > > by > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days will > > take > > > > > the sun to the 4th house " > > > > > Is this logic is given in Lalkitab or it is your perception. > I > > > > feel > > > > > there is some misunderstanding regarding this idea. As per > > this > > > > every > > > > > body will be able to make " panchayat " or make " Sabhi Grah > > > > Ikkathe " > > > > > in any Kundli and rule the Nature. > > > > > In my opinion, the remedial logics are not so easy to > > understand. > > > > One > > > > > need to have full knowledge of Planet placement, its > behaviour > > in > > > > a > > > > > khana and with other planets in a specific Khana, aspectual > > > > changes > > > > > in the behaviour, position of his enemies, friends, and > > > equalents, > > > > > whether it is remedial at specific position or not and above > > all > > > > the > > > > > 'Grammer' of LalKitab. > > > > > In my opinion, Tyagi Ji, You have not carefully read the > > > > > Lalkitab.More efforts are required on your end. Read slowly > > word > > > > by > > > > > word, The Book will shower its blessings. > > > > > By the way > > > > > " Flowing water -House No.4 ???? " ---- May be the result > > of 'Dalda > > > > > Books' > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > , > > > > > " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhardwaj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > when Sun is in the 10th house then it is understandable > that > > by > > > > > > throwing a copper coin in the running water for 43 days > will > > > > take > > > > > > the sun to the 4th house. > > > > > > My doubt is ki copper coin pani mein dalne se 10th house > ka > > > > jupiter > > > > > > 4th mein kaise chala jayega? agar jupiter ko 4th mein > > > pahunchana > > > > > hai > > > > > > to koi jupiter ki vastu jaise chana dal, kesar ya haldi > pani > > > > mein > > > > > > bahani paregi. > > > > > > agar answer yeh hai ki Sun ko 4th mein sthapit karne se > > jupiter > > > > ko > > > > > > strength milegi, to seedha upaya jupiter ko 4th mein > bhejne > > ka > > > > kyon > > > > > > nahi kiya jaye? jupiter ko 10th mein hi bane rahne dena > > kahan > > > ki > > > > > > aklamandi hai > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar > > Bhardwaj " > > > > > > <nirbhar_chd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of > > the > > > > book. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > from your question I have some querry > > > > > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the > flowing > > > > water > > > > > in > > > > > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > > > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest > > putting > > > > > haldi > > > > > > or > > > > > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > > > > > <cp_tyagi2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I > > also > > > > had > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to > be > > > > thrown > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in > > the > > > > 10th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or > haldi > > in > > > > the > > > > > > water. > > > > > > > > The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water > > is > > > > for > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger > Version 8. Get it NOW > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Helloji, Although I am a learner, yet so far as I understand, to remove the ill effects of Jupiter in the 10th it has been written in the LK to take the help of its friends , the Sun, Moon and Mars are the friends of Jupiter and by putting 43 coins one by one on a single day or one coin each continuously for 43 days will remove the bad effects of Jupiter, which means by taking the help of Sun and Moon. But this has to be done only after ensuring if the Jupiter is malefic. I have seen that if the Jupiter is strong enough then the native lives in a house with 2-3 floors owned by him. At the same time if it is bad he lives in a rented house again in a flat more than one storey. Good day! Astronambiar Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar_chd Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:21:39 PM Re: A doubt Dear Tyagi Ji,I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. Butfrom your question I have some querryi. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water incase of Sun in 10th?ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi orchana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj, "cp_tyagi2006"<cp_tyagi2006@ ...> wrote:>> Sir,> > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had this > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown into > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th house. > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the water.> The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for Sun in > the 10th. Then where is the difference?> > With regards,> > Chandra Prakash> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Dear Nambiar jee, A very nice post indeed. It shows your calibre, and urge for this divine science. Please accept my congratulations. Yograj Prabhakar.astro nambiar <astronambiar wrote: Helloji, Although I am a learner, yet so far as I understand, to remove the ill effects of Jupiter in the 10th it has been written in the LK to take the help of its friends , the Sun, Moon and Mars are the friends of Jupiter and by putting 43 coins one by one on a single day or one coin each continuously for 43 days will remove the bad effects of Jupiter, which means by taking the help of Sun and Moon. But this has to be done only after ensuring if the Jupiter is malefic. I have seen that if the Jupiter is strong enough then the native lives in a house with 2-3 floors owned by him. At the same time if it is bad he lives in a rented house again in a flat more than one storey. Good day! Astronambiar Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar_chd (AT) dataone (DOT) in> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:21:39 PM Re: A doubt Dear Tyagi Ji,I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. Butfrom your question I have some querryi. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water incase of Sun in 10th?ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi orchana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj, "cp_tyagi2006"<cp_tyagi2006@ ...> wrote:>> Sir,> > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had this > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown into > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th house. > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the water.> The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is for Sun in > the 10th. Then where is the difference?> > With regards,> > Chandra Prakash> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Respected Nambiar Ji, Your reply absolutely matches with the rules of grammer. In 10th Jupiter is of grah Phal so we cannot use it for any remedy. By the remedy of Sun, who is also masnavi part of the Jupiter the ill effects ceratinly be reduced.Your interpretion as far my kbowledge is concerned is correct. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj - astro nambiar <astronambiar Wednesday, November 8, 2006 1:36 pm Re: Re: A doubt > Helloji, > > Although I am a learner, yet so far as I understand, to remove > the ill effects of Jupiter in the 10th it has been written in the > LK to take the help of its friends , the Sun, Moon and Mars are > the friends of Jupiter and by putting 43 coins one by one on a > single day or one coin each continuously for 43 days will remove > the bad effects of Jupiter, which means by taking the help of Sun > and Moon. But this has to be done only after ensuring if the > Jupiter is malefic. I have seen that if the Jupiter is strong > enough then the native lives in a house with 2-3 floors owned by > him. At the same time if it is bad he lives in a rented house > again in a flat more than one storey. > > Good day! > > Astronambiar > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar_chd > > Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:21:39 PM > Re: A doubt > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. But > from your question I have some querry > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water in > case of Sun in 10th? > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi or > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > <cp_tyagi2006@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > this > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown > into > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th > house. > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > water.> The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > for Sun in > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > With regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Respected Nirbhar ji, Jupiter is not of grah phal in the 10th house. It is Saturn which is of grah phal in the 10th house. Respectfully, Chandra Prakash , nirbhar_chd wrote: > > > Respected Nambiar Ji, > Your reply absolutely matches with the rules of grammer. In 10th Jupiter is of grah Phal so we cannot use it for any > remedy. By the remedy of Sun, who is also masnavi part of the Jupiter the ill effects ceratinly be reduced.Your > interpretion as far my kbowledge is concerned is correct. > Regards > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > - > astro nambiar <astronambiar > Wednesday, November 8, 2006 1:36 pm > Re: Re: A doubt > > > Helloji, > > > > Although I am a learner, yet so far as I understand, to remove > > the ill effects of Jupiter in the 10th it has been written in the > > LK to take the help of its friends , the Sun, Moon and Mars are > > the friends of Jupiter and by putting 43 coins one by one on a > > single day or one coin each continuously for 43 days will remove > > the bad effects of Jupiter, which means by taking the help of Sun > > and Moon. But this has to be done only after ensuring if the > > Jupiter is malefic. I have seen that if the Jupiter is strong > > enough then the native lives in a house with 2-3 floors owned by > > him. At the same time if it is bad he lives in a rented house > > again in a flat more than one storey. > > > > Good day! > > > > Astronambiar > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar_chd > > > > Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:21:39 PM > > Re: A doubt > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the book. But > > from your question I have some querry > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water in > > case of Sun in 10th? > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting haldi or > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > <cp_tyagi2006@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > > this > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be thrown > > into > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the 10th > > house. > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > > water.> The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water is > > for Sun in > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Thanks Tyage ji for pointing out the error in my rply to Sh. Vijay Goel post. I wish you reproduce the definition of " Grah Phal " as illustrated in LalKitab. It may help to remove some doubts amongst all the members. Regards Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj , " cp_tyagi2006 " <cp_tyagi2006 wrote: > > Respected Nirbhar ji, > > Jupiter is not of grah phal in the 10th house. It is Saturn which is > of grah phal in the 10th house. > > Respectfully, > > Chandra Prakash > > > , nirbhar_chd@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Nambiar Ji, > > Your reply absolutely matches with the rules of grammer. In 10th > Jupiter is of grah Phal so we cannot use it for any > > remedy. By the remedy of Sun, who is also masnavi part of the > Jupiter the ill effects ceratinly be reduced.Your > > interpretion as far my kbowledge is concerned is correct. > > Regards > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > - > > astro nambiar <astronambiar@> > > Wednesday, November 8, 2006 1:36 pm > > Re: Re: A doubt > > > > > Helloji, > > > > > > Although I am a learner, yet so far as I understand, to remove > > > the ill effects of Jupiter in the 10th it has been written in > the > > > LK to take the help of its friends , the Sun, Moon and Mars are > > > the friends of Jupiter and by putting 43 coins one by one on a > > > single day or one coin each continuously for 43 days will remove > > > the bad effects of Jupiter, which means by taking the help of > Sun > > > and Moon. But this has to be done only after ensuring if the > > > Jupiter is malefic. I have seen that if the Jupiter is strong > > > enough then the native lives in a house with 2-3 floors owned by > > > him. At the same time if it is bad he lives in a rented house > > > again in a flat more than one storey. > > > > > > Good day! > > > > > > Astronambiar > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar_chd@> > > > > > > Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:21:39 PM > > > Re: A doubt > > > > > > Dear Tyagi Ji, > > > I am not too much familiar with the remedial section of the > book. But > > > from your question I have some querry > > > i. What is the logic behind throughing coin in the flowing water > in > > > case of Sun in 10th? > > > ii. What is the logic you are considering to suggest putting > haldi or > > > chana daal in flowing water in case of Guru in 10th. > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > , " cp_tyagi2006 " > > > <cp_tyagi2006@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Althought the question was asked by some one else. I also had > > > this > > > > doubt.Please can some expert explain why a coin is to be > thrown > > > into > > > > running water for 43 days when some one has jupiter in the > 10th > > > house. > > > > The remedy should have been throwing chana dal or haldi in the > > > water.> The same remedy of throwing coins in the running water > is > > > for Sun in > > > > the 10th. Then where is the difference? > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.