PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

[Guest guest]

Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

 

Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems.

 

In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved.

 

Best Regards

 

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.

IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.

 

Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.

 

PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

 

 

Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,

 

Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected

; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day’s Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered ’s inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.

 

1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi’s Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:

 

This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi’s Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

 

2. A Case of ‘delayed marriage’ [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make ‘the phenomenon of delay in marriage’ intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out ‘delay in marriage’ causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the ‘social-structure of marriage’ in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

 

, looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof’s verdict was unequivocal: “Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all.”

 

 

3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?

 

The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-’07 till 16-8-‘08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

 

4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?

 

Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. ‘missing persons.’ In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title ‘Timing Return of Missing Persons’. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.

 

Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.

 

In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, “ there is however no risk to her life and longevity.”

 

 

5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case

13]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large.

 

When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work.

 

The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a ‘good vehicle’ for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

 

The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes.

 

This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion – all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have more than one of these ‘variables of diabetes’, in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better.

 

In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the ‘Sankaracharya Order’, had asked for the Prof’s visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.

 

 

6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof’s disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

 

The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains.

 

Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words ‘3 months’, he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die – so critical was his crisis.

 

He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction – namely to deny him this ‘aspired for rise’; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.

 

Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug ’01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof

that the currently prevailing Tr Ju’s affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].

 

 

7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a ‘consoling father-figure & spiritual Master’.

 

The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo.

 

However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb ’06 to May ’08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me.

 

The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!

 

He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world.

 

8. ‘Observations’ by Col. B.K. Kailash:

 

In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points.

 

As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies – all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: “ There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them.”

 

9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

 

Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?

 

Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.

 

Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?

Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

 

However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace – even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, the ‘impossible privilege’ of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.

 

 

11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:

 

When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said ‘yes’ and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, ’08[All FBs are strong].

 

 

12. ‘Calcutta’ in the life of Prof Choudhry:

 

As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city ‘Calcutta’ in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri’s forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- ‘before the year ends’! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!

 

[if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof’s chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof’s life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.

 

Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA.

 

One of the last Qs pertained to the ‘exact moment of birth’ within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to ‘Sirasodayam’, or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother’s body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.

 

13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

 

There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf – II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology.

With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings.

 

14. Conclusion of Part – 3 of the Proceedings:

 

I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.

 

 

I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.

 

Best regards,

 

Sankara Bhagavadpada.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Sankara Bhagavadapadaji,

 

Thank you for this wonderful presentation. These cases were all very

interesting. The more cases studies we see, given with the opinion of the

masters of SA, the better and quicker the learning.

 

The particular one re the girl leaving home illustrates nicely the very

grounded the intelligence of the Professor in applying logical factors for

willful leaving seen through significations in the chart. The psychology of

human behaviour is vividly apparent from the SA vantage point.

 

I also didn't know the first cry/breath was the event to be seen as TOB. I

thought it was the full separation from the mother's body. Thankfully,

there's perhaps only a 30 second gap between events.

 

My appreciation is there in abundance for this time consuming task you have

undergone to make this possible. Thank you!

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

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" SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara

; <SAMVA >;

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Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:49 AM

PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

 

Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also

attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an

idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by

the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems.

 

In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi

chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered

an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original

order has been preserved.

 

Best Regards

 

Sankara Bhagavadpada

 

 

 

 

 

 

International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.

 

IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

 

Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.

 

 

 

Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.

 

 

 

PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,

 

 

 

Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected

 

; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the

events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA &

the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's

Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered Prof. V. K.

Choudhry's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.

 

 

 

1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems

Approach:

 

 

 

This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry

has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his

websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being

spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on

just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the

spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well

as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which

alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

 

 

 

2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh

Pandey:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were

afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6

yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the

phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who

may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this

point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The

anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of

a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the

paramount importance that has always been attached to the

'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the

man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic

& emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in

relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the

pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional

Hindu society.]

 

 

 

, looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted

exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also

exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the

XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the

significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly

combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by

placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: " Without Remedies, no

chance of getting married at all. "

 

 

 

 

 

3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was

discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his

responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to

fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was

charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the

fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of

the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was

suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when

would he be set free?

 

 

 

The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke,

the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in

litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him

vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition

of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for

immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the

sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the

sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police

actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till

16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof

Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to

do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

 

 

 

4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman

Deep Saini:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally

approached him only because her educational performance had been poor.

Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the

parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news

of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her

studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked

Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come

back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?

 

 

 

Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say

w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the

Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg

83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA

Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in

one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as

against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the

Sutras.

 

 

 

Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this

occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of

excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel.

Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of

a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the

means to communicate.

 

 

 

In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the

disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus

this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the

nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction

created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord

Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that

in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to

also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby

intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring

remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and

longevity. "

 

 

 

 

 

5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case

 

13]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of

years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as

well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family

man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian

services for the world at large.

 

 

 

When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had

very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as

seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas &

aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a

network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his

community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual

basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work.

 

 

 

The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily

a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is

also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should

however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping

with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

 

 

 

The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at

that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of

Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition

the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health,

and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic

VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve,

on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the

affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as

also diabetes.

 

 

 

This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the

significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and

the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the

natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have more

than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition.

The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a

Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better.

 

 

 

In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other

Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told

that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an

occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya

Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating

inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably

hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to

the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.

 

 

 

 

 

6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought

forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious

people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had

been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last

6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples

in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed

consultation.

 

 

 

The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his

strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was

the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two

unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune.

As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH

& the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was

exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa,

ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an

exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa,

which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close

affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as

well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal

affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative

ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business

partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains.

 

 

 

Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to

commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly

for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the

words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he

would rather die - so critical was his crisis.

 

 

 

He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely

impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being

merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places

this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the

XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly

afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction -

namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of

the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan

of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of

6 crores. This was his predicament.

 

 

 

Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-period,

the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the

fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it

strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM

Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the

individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of

the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last

sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof

 

that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the

condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another

Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the

individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3

yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory

charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].

 

 

 

 

 

7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india]

used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the

Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only

prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits

of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in

spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian

responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond

which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a

'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'.

 

 

 

The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the

options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so

recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out

that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of

contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression.

The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted

nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its

placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact

affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact

affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the

XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the

mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the

Mo.

 

 

 

However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its

placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold

much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He

was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of

afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income

showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me.

 

 

 

The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke,

made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the

individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the

amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof

suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he

refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra,

impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him

the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!

 

 

 

He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the

appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual

having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him

to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world.

 

 

 

8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:

 

 

 

In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA

astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K.

Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I

actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed

were the following points.

 

 

 

As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the

sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing

and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this

process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and

developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of

SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to

which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to

the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon

learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared

Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various

people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit

of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding

sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many

Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. "

 

 

 

9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

 

 

 

Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a

schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured

SA Sutras are valid?

 

 

 

Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.

 

 

 

Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?

 

Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the

MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his

Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP

is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH.

The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo,

placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both

the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some

respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

 

 

 

However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power

Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures

regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a

currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured

admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, the

'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof

Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have

opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with

substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure

of his higher studies.

 

 

 

 

 

11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:

 

 

When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved

only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated

the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a

muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March,

'08[All FBs are strong].

 

 

 

 

 

12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:

 

 

 

As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights &

reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the

persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various

govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in

Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological

Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way

in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important

predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team-

'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of

the Indian team on 31st Dec!

 

 

 

[if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord

Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even

in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is

reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also

the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of

Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of

Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much

interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the

need to astrologically probe into these areas.

 

 

 

Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of

the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as

the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so

confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the

significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any

problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the

significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have

no place in the SA.

 

 

 

One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA

framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to

correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born

out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is

to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry,

since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time

on its own.

 

 

 

13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

 

 

 

There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that

time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words.

Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of

receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof

V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic

Astrology.

 

With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA

astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of

this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the

Proceedings.

 

 

 

14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:

 

 

 

I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the

responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has

clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this

morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at

the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most

beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he

rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable

event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in

the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the

Proceedings ready.

 

 

 

 

 

I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary

are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA

community to condone these possible failings.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

Sankara Bhagavadpada.

[Guest guest]

Your Grace Sankara Bhagavadpada, Respected Professor and other esteemed

participants,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

Your presentation of the entire Conf. Proceedings are boon for those of us

including myself who were unable to attend the conference and yet making me

felt during the reading of the presentation as being present among all the

learned participants including the Grace of our Respected Professsor and

Shri Rajesh ji with their family as a whole.

 

The words are not enough to say thank you for all your selfless and glorious

presentation of the entire conference towards further learning and

understandidng of the SA. for the benefits of all SA. Astrologers.

 

It is truly a blessing.

 

With my best regards........................Amar Puri.

 

 

> " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara

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>To:

>,<SAMVA >,<siha

> PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

>Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:19:21 +0530

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>Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

>

>Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also

>attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an

>idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by

>the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems.

>

>In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi

>chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered

>an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original

>order has been preserved.

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>Best Regards

>

>Sankara Bhagavadpada

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>International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.

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>IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

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>Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.

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>Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.

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>PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

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>Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,

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>Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected

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>; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the

>events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA

> & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's

>Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered Prof. V. K.

>Choudhry's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.

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>1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems

>Approach:

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>This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry

>has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his

>websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being

>spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on

>just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the

>spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well

>as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which

>alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

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>2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh

>Pandey:

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>We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were

>afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6

>yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the

>phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who

>may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this

>point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The

>anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of

>a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize

>the paramount importance that has always been attached to the

>'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the

>man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic

> & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in

>relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that

>the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that

>traditional Hindu society.]

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>, looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa

>afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo

>was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted

>exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by

>the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the

>XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was

>also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal:

> " Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all. "

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>3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:

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>In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was

>discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his

>responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to

>fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was

>charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the

>fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death

>of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was

>suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was,

>when would he be set free?

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>The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke,

>the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in

>litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him

>vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition

>of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for

>immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the

>sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the

>sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police

>actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till

>16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof

>Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to

>do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

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>4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri.

>Aman Deep Saini:

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>Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally

>approached him only because her educational performance had been poor.

>Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the

>parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news

>of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her

>studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked

>Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come

>back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?

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>Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to

>say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques,

>the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem

>on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the

>SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together

>in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as

>against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the

>Sutras.

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>Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that

>this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of

>excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel.

>Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of

>a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of

>the means to communicate.

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>disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus

>this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of

>the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring

>affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the

>natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4

>months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The

>Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present

>time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying

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>family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent

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>had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things

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>aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a

>network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his

>community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual

>basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work.

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>a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service,

>is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should

>however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping

>with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

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>The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at

>that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of

>Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition

>the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health,

>and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic

>VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of

>Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and

>the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his

>kidneys as also diabetes.

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>significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas;

>and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in

>the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have

>more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted

>condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave

>him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better.

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>Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told

>that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an

>occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya

>Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating

>inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably

>hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to

>the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.

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>forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious

>people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had

>been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the

>last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's

>disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a

>much needed consultation.

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>The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his

>strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This

>was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he

>had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of

>fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions

>to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The

>XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while

>Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but

>under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen

>matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers

>a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to

>home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also

>a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH

>of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing

>business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains.

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>Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to

>commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly

>for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard

>the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that

>he would rather die - so critical was his crisis.

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>impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being

>merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places

>this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the

>XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly

>afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction -

>namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of

>the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a

>loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a

>liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.

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>the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the

>fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it

>strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM

>Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the

>individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity

>of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the

>last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof

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>condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another

>Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the

>individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3

>yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory

>charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].

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>Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only

>prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits

>of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in

>spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian

>responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond

>which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a

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>options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so

>recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out

>that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of

>contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression.

>The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted

>nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its

>placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the

>exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact

>affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in

>the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the

>mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the

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>its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not

>hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial

>Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08]

>and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt,

>the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me.

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>made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the

>individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the

>amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof

>suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he

>refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra,

>impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him

>the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!

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>appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the

>individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry

>advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business

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>astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K.

>Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences.

>I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he

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>sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing

>and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this

>process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and

>developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere

>of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well,

>as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very

>grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he

>could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even

>prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to

>various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in

>a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving

>concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: "

>There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. "

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>MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the

>VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the

>Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence.

>Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some

>respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

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>Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures

>regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a

>currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured

>admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him,

>the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof

>Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have

>opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with

>substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure

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>engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and

>reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as

>well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on

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>reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the

>persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various

>govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in

>Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological

>Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring

>way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his

>important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the

>Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was

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>Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even

>in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it

>is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is

>also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE

>of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the

>impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been

>so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he

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>the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as

>the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so

>confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on

>the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any

>problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the

>significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have

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>framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to

>correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born

>out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is

>to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry,

>since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time

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>time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words.

>Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of

>receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof

>V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic

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>astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of

>this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the

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>responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has

>clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this

>morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at

>the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most

>beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he

>rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable

>event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in

>the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the

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Namasthe.Thank you very much for the appreciation expressed.As, you said, neither did I know that the first cry of the new-born marked the TOB.SA is an ocean and one, it appears must go on learning-the journey more important than the arriving.

 

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Dear Sri Sankara Bhagavadapadaji,Thank you for this wonderful presentation. These cases were all very interesting. The more cases studies we see, given with the opinion of the masters of SA, the better and quicker the learning.The particular one re the girl leaving home illustrates nicely the very grounded the intelligence of the Professor in applying logical factors for willful leaving seen through significations in the chart. The psychology of human behaviour is vividly apparent from the SA vantage point.I also didn't know the first cry/breath was the event to be seen as TOB. I thought it was the full separation from the mother's body. Thankfully, there's perhaps only a 30 second gap between events.My appreciation is there in abundance for this time consuming task you have undergone to make this possible. Thank you!Best regards,Vyas Munidas- "SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA" <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net>; <SAMVA >; <siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:49 AM PART-3 of the Conf ProceedingsDear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems.In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved.Best RegardsSankara BhagavadpadaInternational Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.IInd International Conference of SA AstrologersFeb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.PROCEEDINGS-PART 3Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered 's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.], looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: "Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all."3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and longevity."5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case13]:The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large.When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work.The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes.This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better.In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains.Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was his crisis.He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Profthat the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'.The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo.However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me.The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world.8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points.As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them."9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong].12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec![if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA.One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology.With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings.14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.Best regards,Sankara Bhagavadpada.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Amar Puriji,

 

Namasthe. Upon seeing your generous compliments,I'm reminded of the self-less and silent work of Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, who did so many good things for the successful completion of the Conf and the happiness of the all the delegates present. Many veteran SA astrologers, also did their silent work.I have mentioned their names in Part-1.It is my fond wish that more SA astrologers must attend and directly benefit from these Conferences in the future.

 

Best Regards

S.Bhagavadpada

 

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Amar Puri

Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:49 PM

RE: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

Your Grace Sankara Bhagavadpada, Respected Professor and other esteemed participants,Hare Krishna.Your presentation of the entire Conf. Proceedings are boon for those of us including myself who were unable to attend the conference and yet making me felt during the reading of the presentation as being present among all the learned participants including the Grace of our Respected Professsor and Shri Rajesh ji with their family as a whole.The words are not enough to say thank you for all your selfless and glorious presentation of the entire conference towards further learning and understandidng of the SA. for the benefits of all SA. Astrologers.It is truly a blessing.With my best regards........................Amar Puri.>"SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA" <sankara (AT) hinduworldastrology (DOT) net>> >>,<SAMVA >,<siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com>> PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings>Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:19:21 +0530>>Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,>>Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also >attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an >idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by >the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems.>>In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi >chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered >an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original >order has been preserved.>>Best Regards>>Sankara Bhagavadpada>>>>>>>International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.>>IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers>>Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.>>>>Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.>>>>PROCEEDINGS-PART 3>>>>>>Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,>>>>Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected>>; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the >events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA > & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's >Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered Prof. V. K. >Choudhry's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.>>>>1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems >Approach:>>>>This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry >has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his >websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being >spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on >just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the >spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well >as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which >alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.>>>>2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh >Pandey:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were >afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 >yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the >phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who >may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this >point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The >anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of >a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize >the paramount importance that has always been attached to the >'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the >man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic > & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in >relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that >the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that >traditional Hindu society.]>>>>, looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa >afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo >was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted >exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by >the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the >XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was >also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: >"Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all.">>>>>>3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was >discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his >responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to >fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was >charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the >fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death >of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was >suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, >when would he be set free?>>>>The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, >the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in >litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him >vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition >of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for >immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the >sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the >sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police >actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till >16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof >Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to >do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.>>>>4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. >Aman Deep Saini:>>>>>>>>>>>>Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally >approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. >Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the >parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news >of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her >studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked >Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come >back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?>>>>Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to >say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, >the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem >on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the >SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together >in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as >against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the >Sutras.>>>>Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that >this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of >excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. >Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of >a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of >the means to communicate.>>>> In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the >disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus >this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of >the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring >affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the >natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 >months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The >Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present >time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying >and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life >and longevity.">>>>>>5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case>> 13]:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of >years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as >well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a >family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent >humanitarian services for the world at large.>>>>When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi >had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things >[as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & >aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a >network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his >community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual >basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work.>>>>The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily >a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, >is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should >however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping >with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].>>>>The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at >that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of >Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition >the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, >and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic >VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of >Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and >the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his >kidneys as also diabetes.>>>>This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the >significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; >and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in >the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have >more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted >condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave >him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better.>>>>In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other >Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told >that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an >occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya >Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating >inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably >hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to >the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.>>>>>>6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought >forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious >people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had >been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the >last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's >disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a >much needed consultation.>>>>The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his >strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This >was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he >had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of >fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions >to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The >XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while >Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but >under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen >matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers >a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to >home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also >a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH >of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing >business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains.>>>>Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to >commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly >for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard >the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that >he would rather die - so critical was his crisis.>>>>He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely >impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being >merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places >this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the >XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly >afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - >namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of >the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a >loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a >liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.>>>>Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-period, >the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the >fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it >strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM >Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the >individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity >of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the >last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof>>that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the >condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another >Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the >individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 >yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory >charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].>>>>>>7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] >used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the >Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only >prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits >of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in >spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian >responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond >which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a >'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'.>>>>The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the >options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so >recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out >that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of >contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. >The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted >nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its >placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the >exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact >affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in >the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the >mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the >Mo.>>>>However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of >its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not >hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial >Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] >and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, >the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me.>>>>The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, >made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the >individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the >amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof >suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he >refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, >impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him >the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!>>>>He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the >appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the >individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry >advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business >world.>>>>8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:>>>>In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA >astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. >Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. >I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he >stressed were the following points.>>>>As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the >sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing >and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this >process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and >developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere >of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, >as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very >grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he >could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even >prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to >various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in >a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving >concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " >There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them.">>>>9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:>>>>Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a >schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured >SA Sutras are valid?>>>>Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.>>>>Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?>>Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the >MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to >his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The >MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the >VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the >Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. >Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some >respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.>>>>However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power >Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures >regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a >currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured >admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, >the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof >Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have >opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with >substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure >of his higher studies.>>>>>>11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:>>>When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be >engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and >reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as >well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on >the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong].>>>>>>12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:>>>>As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & >reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the >persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various >govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in >Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological >Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring >way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his >important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the >Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was >appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!>>>>[if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord >Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even >in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it >is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is >also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE >of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the >impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been >so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he >feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.>>>>Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of >the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as >the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so >confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on >the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any >problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the >significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have >no place in the SA.>>>>One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA >framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to >correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born >out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is >to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, >since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time >on its own.>>>>13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:>>>>There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that >time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. >Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of >receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof >V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic >Astrology.>> With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA >astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of >this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the >Proceedings.>>>>14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:>>>>I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the >responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has >clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this >morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at >the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most >beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he >rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable >event. 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, " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara

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> Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

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> Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and

is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this

summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf,

and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with

currently prevailing-problems.

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> In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of

the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-

time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the

Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved.

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> Best Regards

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> Sankara Bhagavadpada

International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield,

USA.

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> IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

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> Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.

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> PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

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the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to

the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the

first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had

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> 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the

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Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my

talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the

benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own

talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the

Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha.

I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all

necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this

Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

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course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be

favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage'

intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant

with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged

to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such

a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young

lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the

paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-

structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the

man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability,

economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a

certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such

an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in

life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

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afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord

Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was

afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was

exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was

also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the

prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH.

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was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In

discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this

person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people

died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in

police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations

had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to

the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic

nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be

set free?

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from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable

to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the

Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently

occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the

natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering

the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which

is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also

favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In

the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08],

as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry

concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do

the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

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Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally

approached him only because her educational performance had been

poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and

now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very

disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl

has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The

anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the

Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about

her whereabouts?

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has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive

Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this

astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of

Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of

missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction

is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary

disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.

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that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on

account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of

opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand

comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to

abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.

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disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the

VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that

the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The

currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the

natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the

return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this

intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to

also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and

thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying

and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to

her life and longevity. "

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couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on

spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual

leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering

excellent humanitarian services for the world at large.

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Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do

good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses

of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational

patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of

educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was

made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook

to do the said social & humanitarian work.

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necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the

planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such

spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not

renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets

ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

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who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen

from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6

charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI

Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of

the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t.

health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health

problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its

dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also

diabetes.

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the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver &

pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of

them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of

many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of

diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a

change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which,

his health took a turn for the better.

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other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs.

We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof

Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus

of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card,

as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological

conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt

of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and

spiritual leaders.

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& unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The

individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged

professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the

kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the

good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

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his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations &

income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first

place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve

and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his

chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the

planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by

the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of

status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact

afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters,

Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a

close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to

home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is

also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business

and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of

long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of

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asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue

them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief.

When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was

in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was

his crisis.

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closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move

from being merely a trader into being a more respectable

manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a

strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to

aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa

and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him

this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial

Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2

crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability

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period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to

come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given

easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a

close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period,

which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous

professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that

he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su

major period. It was remarked by the Prof

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keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to

go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were

also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the

Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in

securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and

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but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going

again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the

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professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome.

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XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of

speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also

under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord

of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was

exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact

affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact

affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed

in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed

to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal

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Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f.

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sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $

2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be

happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as

a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the

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in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various

systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and

improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he

learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise

when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn

his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the

offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems

Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the

subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs

like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various

people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a

spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving

concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the

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affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational &

professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost

exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is

through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of

professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su

& Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this

chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

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power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial

Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the

midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs.

He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university

even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final

year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which

continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace &

opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial

fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of

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engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes'

and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their

rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious

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insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He

mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an

official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta

four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny

launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the

first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he

met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi

Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year

ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian

team on 31st Dec!

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IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a

Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX

Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of

these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE

direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure

prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his

part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested

in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need

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significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof

Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the

significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent

its development, without having to depend on the significations of

the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA

sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the

Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the

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the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of

birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of

the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made

it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the

new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the

baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.

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At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke

a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II

had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation,

directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of

the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology.

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of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient

features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1

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responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings.

He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as

lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers

who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous

learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for

the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making

the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to

Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the

PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.

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Dear Mr.Mew,

 

Thanks very much for the appreciation.The 'charts question' is a technical one. Maybe some List member, who understands this difficulty, can suggest a way out, thereby making it convenient for all.

Best Regards

S.Bhagavadpada

 

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Dear List Members:Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding them very interesting and informative. However, I am having trouble bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions regarding this situation would be most appreciated.Best Wishes,Mew , "SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA" <sankara wrote:>> Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems. > > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved. > > Best Regards> > Sankara Bhagavadpada> > > > > > > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.> > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers> > Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.> > > > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.> > > > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3> > > > > > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > > > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected > > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered 's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.> > > > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:> > > > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.> > > > 2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]> > > > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: "Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all."> > > > > > 3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?> > > > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.> > > > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?> > > > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.> > > > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.> > > > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and longevity." > > > > > > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case > > 13]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large. > > > > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work. > > > > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs]. > > > > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes. > > > > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better. > > > > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.> > > > > > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.> > > > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains. > > > > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was his crisis. > > > > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.> > > > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof> > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].> > > > > > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'. > > > > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo. > > > > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me. > > > > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!> > > > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world. > > > > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:> > > > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points. > > > > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them."> > > > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:> > > > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?> > > > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs. > > > > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength? > > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt. > > > > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.> > > > > > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:> > > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong]. > > > > > > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:> > > > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!> > > > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.> > > > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA. > > > > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.> > > > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:> > > > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology. > > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings. > > > > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:> > > > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.> > > > > > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada.>

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Dear Sir,

 

Instead of the Chart image, if you can provide birth details, it would be helpful.

Members can generate charts with jyotish software.

 

Kind regards

S.T

On 04 Mar 2007 19:51:23 -0800, Sankara Bhagavadpada <sankara wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Mew,

 

Thanks very much for the appreciation.The 'charts question' is a technical one. Maybe some List member, who understands this difficulty, can suggest a way out, thereby making it convenient for all.

 

Best Regards

S.Bhagavadpada

 

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Monday, March 05, 2007 8:54 AM

Re: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

Dear List Members:Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding them very interesting and informative. However, I am having trouble bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions regarding this situation would be most appreciated.Best Wishes,Mew

, " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara wrote:>> Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems. > > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At

least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved. > > Best Regards> > Sankara Bhagavadpada> > > > > > > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.> > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers> > Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.> > > > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.> > > > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3> > > > > > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > > > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected > > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered 's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.> > > > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:> > > > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

> > > > 2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

> > > > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: " Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all. " > > > > > > 3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?> > > > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

> > > > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:> > > > > > > > > >

> > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?> > > > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.> > > > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.>

> > > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and longevity. " > > > > > > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case > > 13]: > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large. > > > > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work. > > > > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs]. > > > > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes. > > > > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of

many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better. > > > > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.> > > > > > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The

individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

> > > > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact

afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of

income & gains. > > > > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was his crisis. > > > > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.> > > > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-

period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof> > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].> > > > > > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'. > > > > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo. > > > > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me. > > > > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!> > > > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world. > > > > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:> > > > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points. > > > > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. " > > > > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

> > > > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?> > > > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs. > > > > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength? > > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt. > > > > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university

even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.> > > > > > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:> > > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong]. > > > > > > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:> > > > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!> > > > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.> > > > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the

Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA. > > > > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.> > > > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

> > > > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology. > > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings. > > > > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:

> > > > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.> > > > > > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.

> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada.>

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Dear List Members:Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding them very interesting and informative. However, I am having trouble bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions regarding this situation would be most appreciated.Best Wishes,Mew

, " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara wrote:>> Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems. > > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved. > > Best Regards

> > Sankara Bhagavadpada> > > > > > > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.> > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

> > Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.> > > > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.> > > > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3> > > > > > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > > > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected > > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered 's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.> > > > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:

> > > > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies

121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

> > > > 2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

> > > > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: " Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all. " > > > > > > 3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?> > > > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

> > > > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:> > > > > > > > > >

> > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?> > > > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.> > > > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.>

> > > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and longevity. " > > > > > > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case > > 13]: > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large. > > > > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work. > > > > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs]. > > > > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes. > > > > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of

many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better. > > > > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.> > > > > > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The

individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

> > > > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact

afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of

income & gains. > > > > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was his crisis. > > > > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.> > > > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub-

period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof> > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].> > > > > > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'. > > > > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo. > > > > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me. > > > > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!> > > > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world. > > > > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:> > > > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points. > > > > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. " > > > > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

> > > > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?> > > > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs. > > > > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength? > > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt. > > > > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university

even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.> > > > > > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:> > > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong]. > > > > > > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:> > > > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!> > > > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.> > > > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the

Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA. > > > > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.> > > > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

> > > > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology. > > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings. > > > > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:

> > > > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.> > > > > > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.

> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir S.T.

 

As that would go against the privacy requirement of various individuals, those details were suppressed. It is a convention, which is usually followed in Astrology. I've gone by the guidelines Prof.Choudhry had given me.

Best Regards

S.Bhagavadpada

 

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Monday, March 05, 2007 12:17 PM

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Dear Sir,

 

Instead of the Chart image, if you can provide birth details, it would be helpful.

Members can generate charts with jyotish software.

 

Kind regards

S.T

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Dear Mr.Mew,

 

Thanks very much for the appreciation.The 'charts question' is a technical one. Maybe some List member, who understands this difficulty, can suggest a way out, thereby making it convenient for all.

Best Regards

S.Bhagavadpada

 

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Monday, March 05, 2007 8:54 AM

Re: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

Dear List Members:Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding them very interesting and informative. However, I am having trouble bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions regarding this situation would be most appreciated.Best Wishes,Mew , "SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA" <sankara wrote:>> Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows and is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the Conf, and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with currently prevailing-problems. > > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning of the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved. > > Best Regards> > Sankara Bhagavadpada> > > > > > > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA], Fairfield, USA.> > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers> > Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.> > > > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.> > > > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3> > > > > > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,> > > > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected > > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall summarize the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent to the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of the first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had covered 's inaugural address as well as the salient features of the Conf.> > > > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the Systems Approach:> > > > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As Prof Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and Moksha. I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone, this Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework. > > > > 2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr. Ashutosh Pandey:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage' intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am obliged to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety, such a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a young lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize the paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both the man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability, economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of such an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.] > > > > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP, Sa afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt Lord Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the XIIH. Prof's verdict was unequivocal: "Without Remedies, no chance of getting married at all."> > > > > > 3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security person was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel, this person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five people died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due to the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would he be set free?> > > > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact affliction from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him vulnerable to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on the Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately triggering the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa, which is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc.. In the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-'08], as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof Choudhry concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes to do the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release. > > > > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented by Sri. Aman Deep Saini:> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had originally approached him only because her educational performance had been poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed and now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the girl has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before the Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something about her whereabouts?> > > > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the SA has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work: Predictive Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon of missing persons is gathered together in one place and the distinction is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.> > > > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are told that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or on account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or due to abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.> > > > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds that the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on the natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding to also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to her life and longevity." > > > > > > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case > > 13]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw light on spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a spiritual leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering excellent humanitarian services for the world at large. > > > > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that the Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to do good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the houses of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive educational patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple undertook to do the said social & humanitarian work. > > > > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual planets ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs]. > > > > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the Yogi, who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the D-6 charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor of the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation w.r.t. health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also diabetes. > > > > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su, the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver & pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended a change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after which, his health took a turn for the better. > > > > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were two other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his Kavachs. We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where Prof Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the Jagadgurus of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting card, as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we learnt of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and spiritual leaders.> > > > > > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn Asdt] brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how insensitive & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through the kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation. > > > > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as testified by his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations & income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb Ve and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings, his chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of the planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH of status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters, Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers a close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous afflictions to home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart. There is also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of business and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH of long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH of income & gains. > > > > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions, asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and continue them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some relief. When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical was his crisis. > > > > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra, closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to move from being merely a trader into being a more respectable manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus to aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status Lord Sa and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the Remedial Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan of 2 crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a liability of 6 crores. This was his predicament.> > > > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve sub- period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated to come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have given easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period, which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under tremendous professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such that he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the Su major period. It was remarked by the Prof> > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then to go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach and also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].> > > > > > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his homeland [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on such occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures, but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though the Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with equanimity, even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult to take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-figure & spiritual Master'. > > > > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to overcome. In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH, the XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was also under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the lord of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an exact affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well placed in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature seemed to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal planets, the Su & the Mo. > > > > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too the H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the SA, does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to the Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f. Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild fluctuations so characteristic of Me. > > > > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH by Ra & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder. Sometimes the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $ 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would be happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this possibility, as a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and the MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to budge from the lap of luxury!> > > > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of the individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray into the IT business world. > > > > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:> > > > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on relevant themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few minutes of this session; but what he stressed were the following points. > > > > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had manifested in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress and improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and likewise when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the Systems Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn the subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared Kavachs like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely in a spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them."> > > > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]: > > > > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications. He drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?> > > > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs. > > > > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength? > > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the planet is to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational & professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs, the Su & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects this chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt. > > > > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple special power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in the midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII Hs. He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the final year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace & opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of his higher studies.> > > > > > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:> > > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach must be engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry said 'yes' and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally auspicious and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong]. > > > > > > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:> > > > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry. He mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As an official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that destiny launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for the first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is where he met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about Ravi Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the year ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the Indian team on 31st Dec!> > > > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart, the IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This is a Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III & IX Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature of these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much interested in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the need to astrologically probe into these areas.> > > > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent its development, without having to depend on the significations of the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the SA sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of the Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in the SA. > > > > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth' within the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry made it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when the new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment, the baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.> > > > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:> > > > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media people. At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also spoke a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf - II had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation, directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding father of the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology. > > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl Conf of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The salient features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in Part - 1 of the Proceedings. > > > > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings: > > > > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for the responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf Proceedings. He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA astrologers who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary, for the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby making the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due to Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of the PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.> > > > > > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors in my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request all members of the SA community to condone these possible failings. > > > > Best regards,> > > > Sankara Bhagavadpada.>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dr. Bhagavadpada for your time and consideration. By the

way, I am impressed with the respect and kindness that you show in

your addressing of SA astrologers in your emails. My full name is

Mary Ellen Araas-Wright ... but I go by Mew, or Mrs. Mew if you

kindly wish to do, in my email correspondence. My apologies to you

for the confusion regarding my gender.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Mew

 

 

, " Sankara Bhagavadpada " <sankara

wrote:

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> Dear Mr.Mew,

>

> Thanks very much for the appreciation.The 'charts question' is a

technical one. Maybe some List member, who understands this

difficulty, can suggest a way out, thereby making it convenient for

all.

> Best Regards

> S.Bhagavadpada

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> avz.9271r

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> Monday, March 05, 2007 8:54 AM

> Re: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

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> Dear List Members:

>

> Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and

> consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding

> them very interesting and informative. However, I am having

trouble

> bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions

> regarding this situation would be most appreciated.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Mew

>

> , " SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA "

<sankara@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

> >

> > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows

and

> is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this

> summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the

Conf,

> and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with

> currently prevailing-problems.

> >

> > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning

of

> the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-

> time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the

> Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved.

> >

> > Best Regards

> >

> > Sankara Bhagavadpada

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> > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA],

Fairfield,

> USA.

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> > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

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> > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.

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> > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

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> > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,

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> > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected

> >

> > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall

summarize

> the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent

to

> the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of

the

> first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had

> covered 's inaugural address as well as the

> salient features of the Conf.

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> > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the

> Systems Approach:

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> > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As

Prof

> Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my

> talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the

> benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my

own

> talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the

> Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and

Moksha.

> I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all

> necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone,

this

> Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

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> Ashutosh Pandey:

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> efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the

> course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be

> favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage'

> intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant

> with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am

obliged

> to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety,

such

> a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a

young

> lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize

the

> paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-

> structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both

the

> man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give

stability,

> economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a

> certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of

such

> an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements

in

> life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

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> > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP,

Sa

> afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt

Lord

> Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was

> afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was

> exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage

was

> also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su,

the

> prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the

XIIH.

> Prof's verdict was unequivocal: " Without Remedies, no chance of

> getting married at all. "

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> > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security

person

> was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In

> discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel,

this

> person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five

people

> died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be

in

> police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem

examinations

> had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due

to

> the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic

> nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would

he be

> set free?

> >

> >

> >

> > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact

affliction

> from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him

vulnerable

> to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on

the

> Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently

> occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the

> natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately

triggering

> the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa,

which

> is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also

> favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc..

In

> the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-

'08],

> as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof

Choudhry

> concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes

to do

> the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

> >

> >

> >

> > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented

by

> Sri. Aman Deep Saini:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had

originally

> approached him only because her educational performance had been

> poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed

and

> now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the

very

> disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the

girl

> has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The

> anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before

the

> Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something

about

> her whereabouts?

> >

> >

> >

> > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the

SA

> has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work:

Predictive

> Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this

> astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of

> Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon

of

> missing persons is gathered together in one place and the

distinction

> is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary

> disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.

> >

> >

> >

> > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are

told

> that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or

on

> account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of

> opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand

> comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or

due to

> abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.

> >

> >

> >

> > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the

> disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the

> VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds

that

> the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The

> currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on

the

> natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the

> return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this

> intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding

to

> also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and

> thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these

clarifying

> and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk

to

> her life and longevity. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case

> >

> > 13]:

> >

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> >

> >

> > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a

> couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw

light on

> spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a

spiritual

> leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from

rendering

> excellent humanitarian services for the world at large.

> >

> >

> >

> > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that

the

> Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to

do

> good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the

houses

> of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive

educational

> patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of

> educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment

was

> made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple

undertook

> to do the said social & humanitarian work.

> >

> >

> >

> > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is

> necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa,

the

> planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such

> spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not

> renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual

planets

> ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

> >

> >

> >

> > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the

Yogi,

> who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen

> from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the

D-6

> charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI

> Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor

of

> the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation

w.r.t.

> health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health

> problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its

> dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also

> diabetes.

> >

> >

> >

> > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the

Su,

> the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver

&

> pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all

of

> them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases

of

> many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of

> diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended

a

> change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after

which,

> his health took a turn for the better.

> >

> >

> >

> > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were

two

> other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his

Kavachs.

> We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where

Prof

> Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the

Jagadgurus

> of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting

card,

> as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another

astrological

> conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we

learnt

> of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and

> spiritual leaders.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn

Asdt]

> brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how

insensitive

> & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The

> individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged

> professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through

the

> kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had

the

> good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

> >

> >

> >

> > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as

testified by

> his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations &

> income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first

> place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb

Ve

> and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings,

his

> chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of

the

> planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted

by

> the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH

of

> status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact

> afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen

matters,

> Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers

a

> close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous

afflictions to

> home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart.

There is

> also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of

business

> and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH

of

> long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH

of

> income & gains.

> >

> >

> >

> > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions,

> asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and

continue

> them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some

relief.

> When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down,

was

> in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical

was

> his crisis.

> >

> >

> >

> > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but

Ra,

> closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to

move

> from being merely a trader into being a more respectable

> manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a

> strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus

to

> aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status

Lord Sa

> and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny

him

> this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the

Remedial

> Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan

of 2

> crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a

liability

> of 6 crores. This was his predicament.

> >

> >

> >

> > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve

sub-

> period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated

to

> come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have

given

> easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a

> close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period,

> which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under

tremendous

> professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such

that

> he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the

Su

> major period. It was remarked by the Prof

> >

> > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will

> keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then

to

> go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were

> also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the

> Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in

> securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach

and

> also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> >

> > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his

homeland

> [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on

such

> occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and

he

> then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial

Measures,

> but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going

> again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though

the

> Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with

equanimity,

> even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult

to

> take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-

figure &

> spiritual Master'.

> >

> >

> >

> > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly

> entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His

> professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to

overcome.

> In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH,

the

> XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of

> speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was

also

> under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the

lord

> of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement

was

> exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact

> affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an

exact

> affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well

placed

> in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature

seemed

> to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal

> planets, the Su & the Mo.

> >

> >

> >

> > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too

the

> H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the

SA,

> does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to

the

> Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f.

> Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also

> inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild

fluctuations

> so characteristic of Me.

> >

> >

> >

> > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH

by Ra

> & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder.

Sometimes

> the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and

> sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $

> 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would

be

> happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this

possibility, as

> a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and

the

> MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to

> budge from the lap of luxury!

> >

> >

> >

> > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would

be

> the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of

the

> individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof

> Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray

into

> the IT business world.

> >

> >

> >

> > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:

> >

> >

> >

> > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the

> session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on

relevant

> themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important

> observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few

minutes

> of this session; but what he stressed were the following points.

> >

> >

> >

> > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had

manifested

> in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various

> systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress

and

> improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that

he

> learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and

likewise

> when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could

forewarn

> his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the

> offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the

Systems

> Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn

the

> subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared

Kavachs

> like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various

> people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely

in a

> spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving

> concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the

> Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. "

> >

> >

> >

> > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

> >

> >

> >

> > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications.

He

> drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked

whether

> his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?

> >

> >

> >

> > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.

> >

> >

> >

> > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?

> >

> > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the

planet is

> to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close

> affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational &

> professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and

almost

> exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is

> through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of

> professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs,

the Su

> & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects

this

> chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

> >

> >

> >

> > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple

special

> power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial

> Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in

the

> midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII

Hs.

> He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university

> even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the

final

> year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which

> continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace &

> opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial

> fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure

of

> his higher studies.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:

> >

> >

> > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach

must be

> engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry

said 'yes'

> and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their

> rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally

auspicious

> and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong].

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:

> >

> >

> >

> > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous

> insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry.

He

> mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As

an

> official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to

Calcutta

> four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that

destiny

> launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for

the

> first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is

where he

> met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about

Ravi

> Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the

year

> ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the

Indian

> team on 31st Dec!

> >

> >

> >

> > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart,

the

> IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This

is a

> Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III

& IX

> Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature

of

> these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE

> direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure

> prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his

> part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much

interested

> in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the

need

> to astrologically probe into these areas.

> >

> >

> >

> > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the

> significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q,

Prof

> Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the

> significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA

underwent

> its development, without having to depend on the significations

of

> the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the

SA

> sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of

the

> Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in

the

> SA.

> >

> >

> >

> > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth'

within

> the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of

> birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence

of

> the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry

made

> it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when

the

> new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment,

the

> baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.

> >

> >

> >

> > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

> >

> >

> >

> > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media

people.

> At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also

spoke

> a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf -

II

> had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation,

> directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding

father of

> the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology.

> >

> > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl

Conf

> of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The

salient

> features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in

Part - 1

> of the Proceedings.

> >

> >

> >

> > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:

> >

> >

> >

> > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for

the

> responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf

Proceedings.

> He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as

> lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA

astrologers

> who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous

> learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary,

for

> the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby

making

> the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due

to

> Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of

the

> PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors

in

> my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request

all

> members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.

> >

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Sankara Bhagavadpada.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, S.T., for your time and suggestions ... I very much

appreciate it. Best Wishes, Mew

 

 

, " S. T " <taurus.sudhir wrote:

>

> Dear Mew,

>

> If you resize the image and reduce the font size, everything looks

in order.

> Kind regards

> S.T

>

> On 3/5/07, avz.9271r <wdwmew wrote:

> >

> > Dear List Members:

> >

> > Again my sincere thanks to Dr. Bhagavadpada for his time and

> > consideration in putting forth the conference notes. I am finding

> > them very interesting and informative. However, I am having

trouble

> > bringing up the charts for the various cases. Any suggestions

> > regarding this situation would be most appreciated.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Mew

> >

> > <%

40>, " SANKARA

> > BHAGAVADPADA " <sankara@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prof.V.K.Choudhry and SA astrologers,

> > >

> > > Namasthe.PART-3 of the IIPA Intl Conf -II, Proceedings follows

and

> > is also attached. For those who could not attend the Conf, this

> > summary may give an idea of the discussions that went on in the

Conf,

> > and the light thrown by the Professor on various charts with

> > currently prevailing-problems.

> > >

> > > In 'cutting and pasting', I'm afraid, the relative positioning

of

> > the Rasi chart, the Navamsa chart and the Vimshottari-Dasa 'clock-

> > time' has suffered an undesirable shuffling.At least in the

> > Attachment, I hope the original order has been preserved.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > > Sankara Bhagavadpada

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > International Institute of Predictive Astrology [iIPA],

Fairfield,

> > USA.

> > >

> > > IInd International Conference of SA Astrologers

> > >

> > > Feb 24th , 25th, 2007; Gurgaon, India.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Venue: Club South, South City-II, Gurgaon, India.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PROCEEDINGS-PART 3

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Prof. V.K. Choudhry and SA astrologers,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Namasthe. Following the guidelines, provided by the respected

> > >

> > > ; in this last & concluding Part-3, I shall

summarize

> > the events of the second day. In Part-2, which I had already sent

to

> > the SATVA & the SAMVA groups; I had covered a greater portion of

the

> > first day's Proceedings. It may be recalled that in Part-1, I had

> > covered 's inaugural address as well as the

> > salient features of the Conf.

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> > >

> > >

> > > 1. Sri. Ramana Maharshi's Moksha seen through the eyes of the

> > Systems Approach:

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> > >

> > >

> > > This was the first session on the morning of the 2nd day. As

Prof

> > Choudhry has been gracious enough to make available the PPP of my

> > talk on one of his websites: www.jyotishremedies121.com, for the

> > benefit of all; I am being spared the labour of summarizing my own

> > talk. Put very briefly, I spoke on just the TSE pertaining to the

> > Maharshi's Moksha, using the SA in the spheres of Dharma and

Moksha.

> > I quoted all the pertinent SA sutras as well as presented all

> > necessary foundational principles- in the light of which alone,

this

> > Moksha TSE becomes intelligible in the SA framework.

> > >

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> > > 2. A Case of 'delayed marriage' [Case-10], Presented by Cmdr.

> > Ashutosh Pandey:

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> > > We were informed that this lady was 31 yrs old and that though

> > efforts were afoot to identify a suitable husband for her in the

> > course of the last 6 yrs, no alliance was proving to be

> > favourable. [Just to make 'the phenomenon of delay in marriage'

> > intelligible to some SA astrologers, who may not be so conversant

> > with the Hindu ethos, w.r.t. marriages; at this point, I am

obliged

> > to grant myself the liberty of saying in an aside: The anxiety,

such

> > a long drawn out 'delay in marriage' causes to the parents of a

young

> > lady in a Hindu society, can be appreciated only when we realize

the

> > paramount importance that has always been attached to the 'social-

> > structure of marriage' in a traditional Hindu society. For both

the

> > man as well as the woman, marriage was designed to give stability,

> > economic & emotional security and finally, dependability and a

> > certain permanence in relationship. It was upon the bed-rock of

such

> > an enduring marriage that the pillars of all other achievements in

> > life were erected in that traditional Hindu society.]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , looking at the chart, pointed out that the MMP,

Sa

> > afflicted exactly, the IH, VIIH, IIIH and the XH, while the Asdt

Lord

> > Mo was also exactly afflicted by the VIH Lord, Ju. The XH was

> > afflicted exactly and the XH Lord was deb in the IH, which was

> > exactly afflicted by the MMP. Ve, the significator of marriage was

> > also badly placed in the XIIH, and exactly combust and the Su, the

> > prime determinant of marriage was also weak by placement in the

XIIH.

> > Prof's verdict was unequivocal: " Without Remedies, no chance of

> > getting married at all. "

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> > > 3. A Case of Penalization by the Police [Case 11]:

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> > > In the pre-lunch session, another Case of an armed security

person

> > was discussed. This case was brought up by Sri R. Hasija. In

> > discharging his responsibility as an armed security personnel,

this

> > person was obliged to fire on a crowd and in the process, five

people

> > died. Accordingly he was charged for murder and continued to be in

> > police custody, in spite of the fact that post-mortem examinations

> > had conclusively proved that the death of the victims was not due

to

> > the bullets fired by him. Apparently he was suffering a karmic

> > nemesis and the Q that was put to Prof Choudhry was, when would

he be

> > set free?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The weakness of the VI Lord Me, on account of the exact

affliction

> > from Ke, the Prof held to be an imp factor in making him

vulnerable

> > to losses in litigations. The close impact of the VI Lord Me on

the

> > Asdt, again made him vulnerable to court cases. The currently

> > occurring Tr stationary condition of the nodes, exactly over the

> > natal nodes was the Tr event responsible for immediately

triggering

> > the police case. As the event happened in the sub-period of Sa,

which

> > is badly placed in the VIH, the time of the sub-period was also

> > favourable for VIH events like litigations, police actions etc..

In

> > the Ma-Me sub-period, which follows [ w.e.f. 19-8-'07 till 16-8-

'08],

> > as the time becomes even more unfavourable for release, Prof

Choudhry

> > concluded his remarks by saying that if someone else undertakes

to do

> > the remedies for him, that would bring in grace for his release.

> > >

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> > >

> > > 4. The Case of the Missing Medical Student [Case 12], Presented

by

> > Sri. Aman Deep Saini:

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> > > Sri Sainiji, mentioned that the parents of this girl had

originally

> > approached him only because her educational performance had been

> > poor. Though remedies were prescribed, they were never performed

and

> > now the parents apparently came back to Sainiji to report the very

> > disturbing news of her disappearance from home. Apparently the

girl

> > has abandoned her studies and has been missing for sometime. The

> > anguished family had asked Sainiji two Qs, which he placed before

the

> > Prof. Q1: When will she come back? Q2: Could we know something

about

> > her whereabouts?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Note: Here it may not be out of place to recapitulate what the

SA

> > has to say w.r.t. 'missing persons.' In the recent work:

Predictive

> > Techniques, the Prof & Sri Rajesh Chaudhary have dealt with this

> > astrological problem on Pg 83, under the title 'Timing Return of

> > Missing Persons'. Therein, the SA Sutras governing the phenomenon

of

> > missing persons is gathered together in one place and the

distinction

> > is made between willful disappearance as against involuntary

> > disappearance. 12 Case Studies follow to illustrate the Sutras.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Commenting on willful disappearance in the above work, we are

told

> > that this occurs because of a possible emotional entanglement, or

on

> > account of excessive fear, or even on account of a difference of

> > opinion or a quarrel. Involuntary disappearance on the other hand

> > comes to pass either because of a sudden illness on the way or

due to

> > abduction or even due a failure of the means to communicate.

> > >

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> > >

> > > In the present case, Prof Choudhry said, the main cause of the

> > disappearance is to be seen in the placement of the X Lord in the

> > VIH. Thus this is a case of willful disappearance. The SA holds

that

> > the impact of the nodes is more pertinent in such cases. The

> > currently occurring affliction created by Tr stationary nodes, on

the

> > natal IV Lord Ve and the natal X Lord Ma was going to delay the

> > return of the individual by 3 to 4 months and that in this

> > intervening time, problems will be intense. The Prof was alluding

to

> > also Tr Ju & Tr Sa afflicting the Asdt at the present time and

> > thereby intensifying the existing problem. Making these clarifying

> > and assuring remarks, the Prof said, " there is however no risk to

> > her life and longevity. "

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> > > 5. Light on the Chart of a Spiritual Leader by the Prof [Case

> > >

> > > 13]:

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> > > The Yogi in Q was born in 1929 in North India and passed away a

> > couple of years ago. The Prof brought in this chart to throw

light on

> > spiritual as well as medical astrology. The Yogi, who was a

spiritual

> > leader was a family man, but this did not deter him from rendering

> > excellent humanitarian services for the world at large.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > When I asked the Prof for further clarifications, he added that

the

> > Yogi had very high spiritual aspirations and a spiritual will to

do

> > good things [as seen from the strong Su & Ju ruling over the

houses

> > of overseas & aspirations]. He had provided for massive

educational

> > patronage through a network of schools, to further the cause of

> > educating girl children of his community. The entire endowment was

> > made to a famous temple on an annual basis, for the temple

undertook

> > to do the said social & humanitarian work.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The SA holds that any chart in which the Su & Ju are strong, is

> > necessarily a spiritual chart. The Aquarius Asdt, ruled by Sa, the

> > planet of service, is also a 'good vehicle' for launching such

> > spiritual services. It should however be noted that he did not

> > renounce the world- and this is in keeping with his spiritual

planets

> > ruling the Hs of will & aspiration [Kama Hs].

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Prof was called upon to give astrological guidance to the

Yogi,

> > who at that time was beset with health problems. This can be seen

> > from the deb of Sa, the Asdt Lord, in both the D-9 as well as the

D-6

> > charts. In addition the exact nodal affliction to the Mo, the VI

> > Lord, giving general health, and the placement of the dispositor

of

> > the Mo in the most malefic VIIIH-worsened the whole situation

w.r.t.

> > health. It was the weakness of Ve, on which many of his health

> > problems were centered. This weak Ve and the affliction to its

> > dispositor had given him some problems with his kidneys as also

> > diabetes.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This was a little shocking when I learnt about it, since the Su,

> > the significator of digestion; Ju, the significator of the liver &

> > pancreas; and the sign Leo, the significator of digestion - all of

> > them are strong in the natal chart, quite contrary to the cases of

> > many diabetics, who have more than one of these 'variables of

> > diabetes', in a weak or afflicted condition. The Prof recommended

a

> > change of diet for the Yogi and also gave him a Kavach, after

which,

> > his health took a turn for the better.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In this context the Prof mentioned in passing that there were

two

> > other Pontiffs from South India, who were also wearing his

Kavachs.

> > We were told that during an astrology conf in Ghaziabad, where

Prof

> > Choudhry had an occasion to share the dais with one of the

Jagadgurus

> > of the 'Sankaracharya Order', had asked for the Prof's visiting

card,

> > as he was contemplating inviting the Prof for another astrological

> > conf, which he was probably hoping to organize. In this way we

learnt

> > of many anecdotal references to the world of astrologers and

> > spiritual leaders.

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> > > 6. The Professional Setback of an Industrialist [Case 14]:

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> > > This was another illustrative example [born 1940, Capricorn

Asdt]

> > brought forward by Prof Choudhry, just to drive home how

insensitive

> > & unconscious people often are w.r.t. their own sufferings. The

> > individual concerned had been under the onslaught of a prolonged

> > professional setback since the last 6 yrs and only now, through

the

> > kind offices of one of the Prof's disciples in Chennai, he had the

> > good fortune of coming to the Prof for a much needed consultation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The individual in Q certainly had the grace of God, as

testified by

> > his strong IXH Lord Me, well placed in the XIH of aspirations &

> > income. This was the reason he could meet the Prof in the first

> > place. In addition he had two unafflicted benefic planets, a deb

Ve

> > and Ma, placed in the IXH of fortune. As against these blessings,

his

> > chart had horrendous afflictions to the IVH & the XH, the MTHs of

the

> > planets Ve & Ma placed in the IXH. The XH was exactly afflicted by

> > the MMP, the Su, which is deb in that H; while Sa, ruling the IIH

of

> > status & accumulated wealth, is not only deb but under an exact

> > afflicting conj from the loss giving planet Ju. To worsen matters,

> > Sa, which is also the planet for professional status also suffers

a

> > close affliction from the MMP, the Su. Thus horrendous

afflictions to

> > home life as well as professional life is seen in the chart.

There is

> > also a close nodal affliction from Ra to the IH, the IIIH of

business

> > and the VH of speculative ventures. Ke closely afflicts the VIIH

of

> > long standing business partnerships, the IXH, as well as the XIH

of

> > income & gains.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prof Choudhry looking at this chart with multiple afflictions,

> > asked him to commence the daily propitiatory charities and

continue

> > them uninterruptedly for 3 months, so that he will get some

relief.

> > When the individual heard the words '3 months', he broke down, was

> > in tears and told the Prof that he would rather die - so critical

was

> > his crisis.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > He was initially only a trader and exporter in garments, but Ra,

> > closely impacting on the I & V Hs gave him the ambitious urge to

move

> > from being merely a trader into being a more respectable

> > manufacturer! While Ra places this temptation on his path and a

> > strong Me as the Lord of fortune in the XIH, gave him the impetus

to

> > aspire for this rise; the deb and profoundly afflicted status

Lord Sa

> > and the XH, were working in another direction - namely to deny him

> > this 'aspired for rise'; unless he came on the path of the

Remedial

> > Measures. These complex forces of destiny, made him take a loan

of 2

> > crores from a Bank and today he remains as a debtor with a

liability

> > of 6 crores. This was his predicament.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prof Choudhry pointed out that in the currently running Su-Ve

sub-

> > period, the affliction to the MTH of Ve, from the MMP, was fated

to

> > come to the fore. Additionally even the MMP, which would have

given

> > easy gains were it strong; was not only weak but also suffered a

> > close affliction from the FM Ju. Throughout the Su major period,

> > which began w.e.f. Aug '01, the individual had been under

tremendous

> > professional duress and the severity of the afflictions was such

that

> > he could come to the Prof only during the last sub-period of the

Su

> > major period. It was remarked by the Prof

> > >

> > > that the currently prevailing Tr Ju's affliction to Tr Sa, will

> > keep the condition aggravated for a few more months. He was then

to

> > go on to another Capricorn Asdt chart, where the afflictions were

> > also grievous, but as the individual had come on the path of the

> > Remedial Measures, since the last 3 yrs, he became fortunate in

> > securing the grace through the propitiatory charities, the Kavach

and

> > also some gemstones[see Sec.10, Case 17].

> > >

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> > > 7. Another Case of Professional Instability[Case 15]:

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> > > An individual [born 1965, Scorpio Asdt] far away from his

homeland

> > [india] used to on & off suffer professional downswings and on

such

> > occasions the Prof used to receive distress telephone calls and he

> > then had to not only prescribe the astrological Remedial Measures,

> > but also lift up the spirits of the individual and set him going

> > again on the path of inspired action in spite of all odds. Though

the

> > Prof discharged these humanitarian responsibilities with

equanimity,

> > even for him there was a limit beyond which, it became difficult

to

> > take on the limitless responsibility of a 'consoling father-

figure &

> > spiritual Master'.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The individual during such distress calls used to repeatedly

> > entertain the options of ending his own life or death. His

> > professional failures were so recurrent and so difficult to

overcome.

> > In his chart, it was pointed out that the FM Ma afflicted the IH,

the

> > XH of profession, the IVH of contentment as well as the VH of

> > speculative ventures & love in expression. The Scorpio Asdt was

also

> > under the exact nodal affliction from the exalted nodes. Me the

lord

> > of income was deb in the natal chart, the MTH of its placement was

> > exactly afflicted by Ke while its own MTH came under the exact

> > affliction from Ra. Worst still, such a deb Me also suffered an

exact

> > affliction from natal Ke. The Mo, the Lord of fortune was well

placed

> > in the XIH, although very weak and the only redeeming feature

seemed

> > to be the mutually aspecting close Raja Yoga between the royal

> > planets, the Su & the Mo.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > However the MTH of the Su is also exactly afflicted and so too

the

> > H of its placement. For all these reasons, the Su-Mo yoga in the

SA,

> > does not hold much promise, especially when one does not turn to

the

> > Remedial Measures. He was running the Ju-Me sub-period [w.e.f.

> > Feb '06 to May '08] and in view of afflictions to Me, and also

> > inherently for the Scorpio Asdt, the income showed wild

fluctuations

> > so characteristic of Me.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The exact afflictions to the professional H by Ma & to the IH

by Ra

> > & Ke, made the inherent Mercurial fluctuations even wilder.

Sometimes

> > the individual would be drawing a salary of $10,000/- a month and

> > sometimes the amount would fall to a disgraceful lower limit of $

> > 2,500/-. When the Prof suggested to the individual that he would

be

> > happier in his homeland; he refused to entertain this

possibility, as

> > a highly materialistic Ra, impacting on the VIIH of overseas and

the

> > MMP Ve in the IVH had given him the strong urge of not wanting to

> > budge from the lap of luxury!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > He asked the Prof, after his failures in business, what would be

> > the appropriate professional course of action for him? In view of

the

> > individual having come on the path of the Remedial Measures, Prof

> > Choudhry advised him to shift from engineering and make a foray

into

> > the IT business world.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 8. 'Observations' by Col. B.K. Kailash:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the post lunch session, when Prof Choudhry threw open the

> > session for SA astrologers to express themselves freely on

relevant

> > themes, Col. B.K. Kailash came forward to share some important

> > observations & reminiscences. I actually missed the first few

minutes

> > of this session; but what he stressed were the following points.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As his wife had afflictions in her chart and those had

manifested

> > in the sphere of health, he was obliged to look out for various

> > systems of healing and remedies - all to alleviate her distress

and

> > improve her lot. In this process, he gave us to understand that he

> > learnt Pranic healing and developed as a Pranic healer and

likewise

> > when he entered into the sphere of SA astrology, he could forewarn

> > his wife and soon even others as well, as to which periods in the

> > offing were good and which bad. He was very grateful to the

Systems

> > Approach & to Prof Choudhry, its founder; for he could soon learn

the

> > subtleties of the SA to such an extent that he even prepared

Kavachs

> > like how conscientious astrologers do and offered them to various

> > people in distress, doing this whole humanitarian work entirely

in a

> > spirit of service, but never for any pecuniary gains. In a moving

> > concluding sentence, Col Kailash paid a heartfelt tribute to the

> > Prof: " There are many Masters and Prof Choudhry is one of them. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 9. Sutra on the Influence of the Dispositor [Case 16]:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sri Vikaas V Sharma asked Prof Choudhry for two clarifications.

He

> > drew a schematic chart to illustrate the context and asked whether

> > his conjectured SA Sutras are valid?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Prof Choudhry replied affirmatively to both his Qs.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Q1: Tr planets impact, depending on their Tr strength?

> > >

> > > Q2: The H impacts on a planet, depending on how close the

planet is

> > to the MEP of the H, both benefic as well as malefic?

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> > > 10. Blessings through the SA Remedial Measures [Case 17]:

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> > > This individual [born 1985, Capricorn Asdt] also has close

> > affliction to his Lord of the 2H and thus also weak educational &

> > professional Lords. The MMP is badly placed in the XIIH and almost

> > exactly afflicts the XIIH & the VIH. The only massive blessing is

> > through the strong exalted VII Lord, the Mo, placed in the VH of

> > professional studies and emotional intelligence. Both the FMs,

the Su

> > & Ju are weak,, while Ra & Ke are strong. Thus in some respects

this

> > chart is similar to Case 14, which was also a Capricorn Asdt.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > However on account of the individual wearing the multiple

special

> > power Kavachs and also some gemstones and performing the Remedial

> > Measures regularly for 3 yrs, he secured divine grace - even in

the

> > midst of a currently prevailing nodal affliction to his II & VIII

Hs.

> > He secured admission in 4 or 5 UK universities and one university

> > even offered him, the 'impossible privilege' of a seat in the

final

> > year of the course. Prof Choudhry cited this as a Case in which

> > continuous Remedial Measures have opened the doors of grace &

> > opportunities. In fact he secured the seat with substantial

> > fellowship, so that he may survive on his own during the tenure of

> > his higher studies.

> > >

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> > >

> > > 11. An Exceptionally Auspicious SA Muhurta:

> > >

> > >

> > > When one of the astrologers asked the Q, whether the Kavach

must be

> > engraved only during an auspicious muhurta, Prof Choudhry

said 'yes'

> > and reiterated the importance of auspicious SA muhurtas and their

> > rarity as well. He gave a muhurta which was exceptionally

auspicious

> > and falling on the 19th March, '08[All FBs are strong].

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 12. 'Calcutta' in the life of Prof Choudhry:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > As the Conf was drawing to a close there were miscellaneous

> > insights & reminiscences and answers to some Qs by Prof Choudhry.

He

> > mentioned the persistence of the city 'Calcutta' in his life! As

an

> > official of various govt depts., destiny had taken him to Calcutta

> > four times. It was here in Calcutta, on the 1st Jan 1985 that

destiny

> > launched him on his Astrological Mission. He learnt astrology for

the

> > first time in a probing & enquiring way in Calcutta. This is

where he

> > met Ravi Sastri and made one of his important predictions about

Ravi

> > Sastri's forthcoming captaincy of the Indian team- 'before the

year

> > ends'! Miraculously, Ravi Sastri was appointed captain of the

Indian

> > team on 31st Dec!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [if I may be permitted to say in an aside: In the Prof's chart,

the

> > IV Lord Me has a close beneficial conj with the V Lord Ve. This

is a

> > Raja Yoga even in the SA and since Ve impacts closely on the III

& IX

> > Hs of journeys, it is reasonable that Ve should decide the nature

of

> > these journeys. Ve is also the D-10 Asdt Lord. Ve rules the SE

> > direction and since Calcutta is SE of Delhi, it had to figure

> > prominently in Prof's life, in view of the impact of Ve]. For his

> > part the Prof made it clear that he has never been so much

interested

> > in his own chart & his own life that at no time did he feel the

need

> > to astrologically probe into these areas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ms Sunita Singhal asked one Q to the Prof concerning the

> > significations of the Nakshatras in the SA. Answering this Q, Prof

> > Choudhry remarked that as the classical literature on the

> > significations of the Nakshatras is so confusing, the SA underwent

> > its development, without having to depend on the significations of

> > the Nakshatras. This would mean that in anlysing any problem, the

SA

> > sheds enough light on the problem, by using the significations of

the

> > Zodiacal Signs, so that Nakshatra significations have no place in

the

> > SA.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > One of the last Qs pertained to the 'exact moment of birth'

within

> > the SA framework? While in Vedic Astrology, this exact moment of

> > birth is taken to correspond to 'Sirasodayam', or the emergence of

> > the head of the new-born out of the mother's body; Prof Choudhry

made

> > it clear that in the SA, it is to be reckoned as that moment when

the

> > new-born, lets out its first cry, since this is also the moment,

the

> > baby starts breathing for the first time on its own.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 13. Conf Certificates Awarded by Prof. V.K. Choudhry:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There was a brief interview of Prof Choudhry by some media

people.

> > At that time, as desired by the Prof, Dr. Miller & myself also

spoke

> > a few words. Thereafter every participant of this SA Intl Conf -

II

> > had the privilege of receiving the Certificate of participation,

> > directly from the hands of Prof V.K. Choudhry, the founding

father of

> > the Systems Approach to Vedic Astrology.

> > >

> > > With the vote of thanks, which was given by me, the IIPA Intl

Conf

> > of SA astrologers - II, came to its natural conclusion. The

salient

> > features of this happy Conf were already summarized by me in

Part - 1

> > of the Proceedings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 14. Conclusion of Part - 3 of the Proceedings:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I sincerely thank Prof Choudhry for his patience & time and for

the

> > responsibility he has given me in summarizing the Conf

Proceedings.

> > He has clarified a number of my Qs on the Conf sessions even as

> > lately as this morning. I am very thankful to all the SA

astrologers

> > who answered my Qs at the Conf and made the whole Conf a joyous

> > learning experience. I am most beholden to Sri Rajesh Chaudhary,

for

> > the silent and selfless service he rendered to us all, thereby

making

> > the Conf a very pleasant and memorable event. Thanks are also due

to

> > Sri Kannanji for his excellent assistance in the preparation of

the

> > PPP, as well as in getting Parts 2 & 3 of the Proceedings ready.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I wish to also submit that any omissions, distortions & errors

in

> > my summary are due to my own inadvertence and I therefore request

all

> > members of the SA community to condone these possible failings.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sankara Bhagavadpada.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello dear list members, Some photographs of the conference have been placed at

 

 

 

http://ph./photos/browse/ab29?c=

 

by Mr. Aman Deep Saini. Best wishes.

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Saini,

 

Many thanks for the excellent gallery. Adds a nice visual touch.

 

Best - Sateesh.

 

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- siha

Monday, March 05, 2007 7:50 PM

Re: Re: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

 

 

Hello dear list members, Some photographs of the conference have been placed at

 

 

 

http://ph./photos/browse/ab29?c=

 

by Mr. Aman Deep Saini. Best wishes.

[Guest guest]

Dear Prof.Choudhry,

 

Namasthe.Thanks so much for making these reminiscences of the Conf available for all of us.Thanks to Amanji as well.

Warm Regards

Sankara

 

-

siha

Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:20 AM

Re: Re: PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

 

 

Hello dear list members, Some photographs of the conference have been placed at

 

 

 

http://ph./photos/browse/ab29?c=

 

by Mr. Aman Deep Saini. Best wishes.

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Batas,

 

Thanks for the feedback. It was really

nice to attend the conference this year again and share experiences with all

the learned people present there.

 

Best regards

Aman

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf

Of Sateesh Batas

Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:19

AM

 

Re: Re: PART-3

of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr Saini,

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks for the excellent gallery. Adds a nice

visual touch.

 

 

 

 

 

Best - Sateesh.

 

 

 

 

 

=========

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

siha (AT) yournetastrologer (DOT) com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, March 05,

2007 7:50 PM

 

 

Re: Re:

PART-3 of the Conf Proceedings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello dear list members,

 

Some photographs of the conference have been placed at

 

 

http://ph./photos/browse/ab29?c=

by Mr. Aman Deep Saini.

 

 

Best wishes.