Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Alchocoden , Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so that that would have influenced our Professor. To come out with a system only research would have helped him . SG. --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > Hello Professor, > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré > who cites two verses from > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > delineation on these. Can we > say that this book influenced in some way your > Systems Approach synthesis? I > think I see some common links with SA here. > > -- > Best regards, > François > > ______________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello Mr Krishnan, Sorry I should have done it earlier ;-) Here are the two verses taken from Light On Life from DeFouw/Svoboda: (1) «All bhavas will give rise to exclusively good results if occupied or aspected by benefics or their own lords, or by planets owning benefic houses, provided such houses are without the aspects or association of malefics. This will be so even if malefics own the houses concerned. This good effect of the houses will be certain if the planets involved are strong, that is, not in their debilitation constellation, not combust, and not in an ennemy's constellation.» DeFouw, p. 254 (ed. Penguin Books). (6) «A bhava suffers destruction when the bhava itself, its lord and its significator (karaka) are devoid of strength and are hemmed in between malefics, or are associated with or aspected by malefics or unfriendly planets and not by others; or if the fourth, the eighth and the twelfth houses or the fifth and ninth houses from them are occupied by malefics. These results will be very evident and apparent when several of the conditions mentioned occur at the same time.» DeFouw, p. 258. Of course, SA is *not* strictly base on these, but I just wish to know if these influenced SA to some extent. -- Best regards, François SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote: > Dear Alchocoden , > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > that that would have influenced our Professor. To > come out with a system only research would > have helped him . > > SG. > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > >> Hello Professor, >> >> Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré >> who cites two verses from >> Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base >> delineation on these. Can we >> say that this book influenced in some way your >> Systems Approach synthesis? I >> think I see some common links with SA here. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> François >> >> > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight > and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello Francois, I studied so many classics before coming to SA. Phaladipika is like other books so far as the functional nature and strength of planets is concerned. Best wishes, - " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:45 PM Phaladipika > Hello Professor, > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré who cites two verses > from > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base delineation on these. Can > we > say that this book influenced in some way your Systems Approach synthesis? > I > think I see some common links with SA here. > > -- > Best regards, > François > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dear Alcho, Sorry . The keen aspect of SA is FUNCTIONAL . I Underline that . You can read Malefics and Benefics in all classics. But what is that Malefics and Benefics. If you take Natural Benefics and Natural Malefics one can NEVER LEARN PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY . No planet as per SA is a benefic or a Malefic. It all depends on one's Ascendant/Lagna. SG . --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > Hello Mr Krishnan, > > Sorry I should have done it earlier ;-) > > Here are the two verses taken from Light On Life > from DeFouw/Svoboda: > > (1) «All bhavas will give rise to exclusively good > results if occupied or > aspected by benefics or their own lords, or by > planets owning benefic > houses, provided such houses are without the aspects > or association of > malefics. This will be so even if malefics own the > houses concerned. This > good effect of the houses will be certain if the > planets involved are > strong, that is, not in their debilitation > constellation, not combust, and > not in an ennemy's constellation.» DeFouw, p. 254 > (ed. Penguin Books). > > (6) «A bhava suffers destruction when the bhava > itself, its lord and its > significator (karaka) are devoid of strength and are > hemmed in between > malefics, or are associated with or aspected by > malefics or unfriendly > planets and not by others; or if the fourth, the > eighth and the twelfth > houses or the fifth and ninth houses from them are > occupied by malefics. > These results will be very evident and apparent when > several of the > conditions mentioned occur at the same time.» > DeFouw, p. 258. > > Of course, SA is *not* strictly base on these, but I > just wish to know if > these influenced SA to some extent. > > -- > Best regards, > François > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote: > > Dear Alchocoden , > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think > so > > that that would have influenced our > Professor. To > > come out with a system only research would > > have helped him . > > > > SG. > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > >> Hello Professor, > >> > >> Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > Labouré > >> who cites two verses from > >> Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > >> delineation on these. Can we > >> say that this book influenced in some way your > >> Systems Approach synthesis? I > >> think I see some common links with SA here. > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> François > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight > > and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > ______________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello Francois, When Phaladipika or any other classic talks of benefics it does not mean the functional benefics as per SA. The reference brought out by you does not refer to mooltrikona sign or the orb of affliction. So, SA principles do not draw from Phaladipika but SA speaks on the classical principles which are confusing, contradicting and inconsistent. Please note that I do not have any time to devote to such activities. Best wishes, - " ALCHOCODEN " <alchocoden Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:40 PM Re: Phaladipika > Hello Mr Krishnan, > > Sorry I should have done it earlier ;-) > > Here are the two verses taken from Light On Life from DeFouw/Svoboda: > > (1) «All bhavas will give rise to exclusively good results if occupied or > aspected by benefics or their own lords, or by planets owning benefic > houses, provided such houses are without the aspects or association of > malefics. This will be so even if malefics own the houses concerned. This > good effect of the houses will be certain if the planets involved are > strong, that is, not in their debilitation constellation, not combust, and > not in an ennemy's constellation.» DeFouw, p. 254 (ed. Penguin Books). > > (6) «A bhava suffers destruction when the bhava itself, its lord and its > significator (karaka) are devoid of strength and are hemmed in between > malefics, or are associated with or aspected by malefics or unfriendly > planets and not by others; or if the fourth, the eighth and the twelfth > houses or the fifth and ninth houses from them are occupied by malefics. > These results will be very evident and apparent when several of the > conditions mentioned occur at the same time.» DeFouw, p. 258. > > Of course, SA is *not* strictly base on these, but I just wish to know if > these influenced SA to some extent. > > -- > Best regards, > François > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote: >> Dear Alchocoden , >> >> Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so >> that that would have influenced our Professor. To >> come out with a system only research would >> have helped him . >> >> SG. >> --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: >> >>> Hello Professor, >>> >>> Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré >>> who cites two verses from >>> Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base >>> delineation on these. Can we >>> say that this book influenced in some way your >>> Systems Approach synthesis? I >>> think I see some common links with SA here. >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> François >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________\ ____ >> Finding fabulous fares is fun. >> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight >> and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello, Thank you! ;-) -- Best regards, François SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote: > Dear Alcho, > > Sorry . The keen aspect of SA is FUNCTIONAL . > I Underline that . You can read Malefics and > Benefics in all classics. But what is that > Malefics and Benefics. If you take Natural > Benefics and Natural Malefics one can NEVER LEARN > PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY . > > No planet as per SA is a benefic or a > Malefic. It all depends on one's Ascendant/Lagna. > > SG . > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > >> Hello Mr Krishnan, >> >> Sorry I should have done it earlier ;-) >> >> Here are the two verses taken from Light On Life >> from DeFouw/Svoboda: >> >> (1) «All bhavas will give rise to exclusively good >> results if occupied or >> aspected by benefics or their own lords, or by >> planets owning benefic >> houses, provided such houses are without the aspects >> or association of >> malefics. This will be so even if malefics own the >> houses concerned. This >> good effect of the houses will be certain if the >> planets involved are >> strong, that is, not in their debilitation >> constellation, not combust, and >> not in an ennemy's constellation.» DeFouw, p. 254 >> (ed. Penguin Books). >> >> (6) «A bhava suffers destruction when the bhava >> itself, its lord and its >> significator (karaka) are devoid of strength and are >> hemmed in between >> malefics, or are associated with or aspected by >> malefics or unfriendly >> planets and not by others; or if the fourth, the >> eighth and the twelfth >> houses or the fifth and ninth houses from them are >> occupied by malefics. >> These results will be very evident and apparent when >> several of the >> conditions mentioned occur at the same time.» >> DeFouw, p. 258. >> >> Of course, SA is *not* strictly base on these, but I >> just wish to know if >> these influenced SA to some extent. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> François >> >> SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN wrote: >>> Dear Alchocoden , >>> >>> Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think >> so >>> that that would have influenced our Professor. To >>> come out with a system only research would >>> have helped him . >>> >>> SG. >>> --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Professor, >>>> >>>> Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré >>>> who cites two verses from >>>> Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base >>>> delineation on these. Can we >>>> say that this book influenced in some way your >>>> Systems Approach synthesis? I >>>> think I see some common links with SA here. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> François >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________\ ____ >>> Finding fabulous fares is fun. >>> Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find >>> flight and hotel bargains. >> http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 >> >> > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 SG and Alchocoden: There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for picking up a few gems among them while discarding the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and reproducible system that anybody like you and me can use successfully. However, if you still want to see the source of those gems, look into the following: Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for importance of Bhukti lord). Thanks RAJ K. CHADHA SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: Dear Alchocoden , Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so that that would have influenced our Professor. To come out with a system only research would have helped him . SG. --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > Hello Professor, > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis Labouré > who cites two verses from > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > delineation on these. Can we > say that this book influenced in some way your > Systems Approach synthesis? I > think I see some common links with SA here. > > -- > Best regards, > François > > ________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear Raj ji , I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that .. As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. There he is not taking MT . Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as currently what I face from them are on the following grounds 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that M.T is th important house but other house's role will come into effect . 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why I repeatedly asked the question " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , IS THERE BHANGA ? Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen without free flow of ideas. Thanks and reg SG. --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > SG and Alchocoden: > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > use successfully. > > However, if you still want to see the source of > those gems, look into the following: > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > importance of Bhukti lord). > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: Dear > Alchocoden , > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > To > come out with a system only research would > have helped him . > > SG. > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > Hello Professor, > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > Labouré > > who cites two verses from > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > delineation on these. Can we > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > François > > > > > > > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Hi Sadasivan Why don't you SUCH discuss this topic off the list. You are disturbing others who are never interested in them Regards S.T On 1/19/07, SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: > > Dear Raj ji , > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > There he is not taking MT . > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as > currently what I face from them are on the > following grounds > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that > M.T is th important house but other house's > role will come into effect . > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why > I repeatedly asked the question > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , > IS THERE BHANGA ? > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen > without free flow of ideas. > > Thanks and reg > > SG. > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech <rkctech%40>> wrote: > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > > use successfully. > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > those gems, look into the following: > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > Thanks > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g<sadasivan_g%40> > > > > wrote: Dear > > Alchocoden , > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > > To > > come out with a system only research would > > have helped him . > > > > SG. > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden <alchocoden%40.ca>> wrote: > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > Labouré > > > who cites two verses from > > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > > delineation on these. Can we > > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > > Answers users. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > ________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear S.T , See the background of the topic.Shri Raj was mentioning the genesis of SA in the backdrop of Classicals .I was trying to share some views I had about Bhavarta Ratnakara where M.T importance is given . I think you have not read Classicals .You have directly come to SA . You cannot understand what I am saying . Perhaps Mr Raj would . Sadasivan . --- " S. T " <taurus.sudhir wrote: > Hi Sadasivan > > Why don't you SUCH discuss this topic off the list. > > You are disturbing others who are never interested > in them > > Regards > S.T > > On 1/19/07, SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > <sadasivan_g wrote: > > > > Dear Raj ji , > > > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. > > > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources > > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris > > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. > > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that > > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As > > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna > > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter > > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > > There he is not taking MT . > > > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > > article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m > > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as > > currently what I face from them are on the > > following grounds > > > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . > > > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that > > M.T is th important house but other house's > > role will come into effect . > > > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . > > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these > > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas > > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why > > I repeatedly asked the question > > > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , > > IS THERE BHANGA ? > > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA > > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen > > without free flow of ideas. > > > > Thanks and reg > > > > SG. > > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech > <rkctech%40>> wrote: > > > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in > Classical > > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a > puper's > > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and > vice > > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury > for > > > picking up a few gems among them while > discarding > > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me > can > > > use successfully. > > > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > > those gems, look into the following: > > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), > 15.11, > > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT > signs). > > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year > 1971, > > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 > (for > > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > <sadasivan_g<sadasivan_g%40> > > > > > > wrote: Dear > > > Alchocoden , > > > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > > > > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > > > To > > > come out with a system only research would > > > have helped him . > > > > > > SG. > > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden > <alchocoden%40.ca>> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > > Labouré > > > > who cites two verses from > > > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > > > delineation on these. Can we > > > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > > > > Answers users. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Dear S.G. If you try to apply dicta of Bhavarth Ratnakar or any other classics without considering the strength and placement of planets you will not achieve success. Jupiter in Taurus ascendent for example would give good results only if strong and not afflicting any planet or house, as correctly pointed out in SA. Neechbhanga Raj yoga is definitely not consistent and good results obtained sometimes can be explained through other concepts. Although Saturn is debilitated for 2.5 years, it strength varies depending upon the strength of its dispositor, and on times it may be aspected by strong functional benefics. You always have to apply complete system, not just one concept in isolation. The authors of articles I pointed out in AM were S.K.Singhania, V.K.Jain, and Suryanarain Rao etc. I will give you more detailed list tomorrow if you wish. I agree with you that for the progress of a science, ideas should flow freely. At the same times everybody should be acknowledged for his ideas or work. B.V.Raman started the magazine where different people could share their theories. He should be appreciated for that. Iyer and Krishnamurthy were first to challenge the classics, although the techniques they put forward were complicated and very different from the classical principles. SA on the other hand is much more based on classicals and is very simple and universally applicable. Therefore I believe this has a great future, especially because Prof Chaudhury is putting great effort in explaining his point of view. As with any science, it also has a room to improve. I think there is no use in talking to ICAS. If VKC could not convince them how can you? Thanks RAJ K. CHADHA SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: Dear Raj ji , I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. There he is not taking MT . Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as currently what I face from them are on the following grounds 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that M.T is th important house but other house's role will come into effect . 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why I repeatedly asked the question " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , IS THERE BHANGA ? Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen without free flow of ideas. Thanks and reg SG. --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > SG and Alchocoden: > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > use successfully. > > However, if you still want to see the source of > those gems, look into the following: > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > importance of Bhukti lord). > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: Dear > Alchocoden , > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > To > come out with a system only research would > have helped him . > > SG. > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > Hello Professor, > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > Labouré > > who cites two verses from > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > delineation on these. Can we > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > François > > > > > > > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hello Mr. Raj, I am to the scene much later in 1985 and had no access to the magazines of 1970s. The main point which gave birth to SA was the functional nature of planets. Good things in life are achieved if it is destined. Best wishes, - " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:06 AM Re: Phaladipika Dear S.G. If you try to apply dicta of Bhavarth Ratnakar or any other classics without considering the strength and placement of planets you will not achieve success. Jupiter in Taurus ascendent for example would give good results only if strong and not afflicting any planet or house, as correctly pointed out in SA. Neechbhanga Raj yoga is definitely not consistent and good results obtained sometimes can be explained through other concepts. Although Saturn is debilitated for 2.5 years, it strength varies depending upon the strength of its dispositor, and on times it may be aspected by strong functional benefics. You always have to apply complete system, not just one concept in isolation. The authors of articles I pointed out in AM were S.K.Singhania, V.K.Jain, and Suryanarain Rao etc. I will give you more detailed list tomorrow if you wish. I agree with you that for the progress of a science, ideas should flow freely. At the same times everybody should be acknowledged for his ideas or work. B.V.Raman started the magazine where different people could share their theories. He should be appreciated for that. Iyer and Krishnamurthy were first to challenge the classics, although the techniques they put forward were complicated and very different from the classical principles. SA on the other hand is much more based on classicals and is very simple and universally applicable. Therefore I believe this has a great future, especially because Prof Chaudhury is putting great effort in explaining his point of view. As with any science, it also has a room to improve. I think there is no use in talking to ICAS. If VKC could not convince them how can you? Thanks RAJ K. CHADHA SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: Dear Raj ji , I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. There he is not taking MT . Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as currently what I face from them are on the following grounds 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that M.T is th important house but other house's role will come into effect . 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why I repeatedly asked the question " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , IS THERE BHANGA ? Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen without free flow of ideas. Thanks and reg SG. --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > SG and Alchocoden: > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > use successfully. > > However, if you still want to see the source of > those gems, look into the following: > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > importance of Bhukti lord). > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: Dear > Alchocoden , > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > To > come out with a system only research would > have helped him . > > SG. > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > Hello Professor, > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > Labouré > > who cites two verses from > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > delineation on these. Can we > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > François > > > > > > > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Dear Rajji, I am not opposed to SA .Pls do not misunderstand me. I was quoting the Bhavarta Ratnakara which gives imnportance to MT. I know after reading SA that Jup for Taurus if it is unafflicting (outside MEP) ,the positive side of 8th house will come into effect. Moreover the FUNCTIONAL NATURE cleared all the confusions. Many celebrities have debilitated planets .eg Aishwarya Rai, Sachin Tendulkar (he has 2),Gates ..This led me to the belief that some Bhanga should be there under certain conditions . You have given some hint. I will keep in mind. I am keen on those articles and who wrote them .. Could you tell more about that.If group feels that they are not keen , I request you to write to my personal mail. Thanks. SG --- siha wrote: > > Hello Mr. Raj, > > I am to the scene much later in 1985 and had no > access to the magazines of > 1970s. > > The main point which gave birth to SA was the > functional nature of planets. > > Good things in life are achieved if it is destined. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech > > Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:06 AM > Re: Phaladipika > > > Dear S.G. > > If you try to apply dicta of Bhavarth Ratnakar or > any other classics without > considering the strength and placement of planets > you will not achieve > success. Jupiter in Taurus ascendent for example > would give good results > only if strong and not afflicting any planet or > house, as correctly pointed > out in SA. Neechbhanga Raj yoga is definitely not > consistent and good > results obtained sometimes can be explained through > other concepts. Although > Saturn is debilitated for 2.5 years, it strength > varies depending upon the > strength of its dispositor, and on times it may be > aspected by strong > functional benefics. You always have to apply > complete system, not just one > concept in isolation. > > The authors of articles I pointed out in AM were > S.K.Singhania, V.K.Jain, > and Suryanarain Rao etc. I will give you more > detailed list tomorrow if you > wish. > > I agree with you that for the progress of a science, > ideas should flow > freely. At the same times everybody should be > acknowledged for his ideas or > work. B.V.Raman started the magazine where different > people could share > their theories. He should be appreciated for that. > Iyer and Krishnamurthy > were first to challenge the classics, although the > techniques they put > forward were complicated and very different from the > classical principles. > SA on the other hand is much more based on > classicals and is very simple and > universally applicable. Therefore I believe this has > a great future, > especially because Prof Chaudhury is putting great > effort in explaining his > point of view. As with any science, it also has a > room to improve. > > I think there is no use in talking to ICAS. If VKC > could not convince them > how can you? > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: > Dear Raj ji , > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way > only. > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for > Aquaris > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer > Rajayoga. > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand > that > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . > As > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus > Lagna > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > There he is not taking MT . > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > article in Astrological Magazine , It will help > m > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai > as > currently what I face from them are on the > following grounds > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only > . > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt > that > M.T is th important house but other house's > role will come into effect . > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various > lagnas > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie > why > I repeatedly asked the question > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED > , > IS THERE BHANGA ? > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the > SA > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen > without free flow of ideas. > > Thanks and reg > > SG. > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in > Classical > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and > vice > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me > can > > use successfully. > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > those gems, look into the following: > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), > 15.11, > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT > signs). > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year > 1971, > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 > (for > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > Thanks > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > > wrote: Dear > > Alchocoden , > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think > so > > > > that that would have influenced our > Professor. > > To > > come out with a system only research > would > > have helped him . > > > > SG. > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > Labouré > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Dear SG: If you send me your address, I can certainly send you the photocopies of those articles and more. If you can use those articles to convince ICAS members, so much the better. thanks Raj Chadha SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: Dear Rajji, I am not opposed to SA .Pls do not misunderstand me. I was quoting the Bhavarta Ratnakara which gives imnportance to MT. I know after reading SA that Jup for Taurus if it is unafflicting (outside MEP) ,the positive side of 8th house will come into effect. Moreover the FUNCTIONAL NATURE cleared all the confusions. Many celebrities have debilitated planets .eg Aishwarya Rai, Sachin Tendulkar (he has 2),Gates .This led me to the belief that some Bhanga should be there under certain conditions . You have given some hint. I will keep in mind. I am keen on those articles and who wrote them . Could you tell more about that.If group feels that they are not keen , I request you to write to my personal mail. Thanks. SG --- siha wrote: > > Hello Mr. Raj, > > I am to the scene much later in 1985 and had no > access to the magazines of > 1970s. > > The main point which gave birth to SA was the > functional nature of planets. > > Good things in life are achieved if it is destined. > > Best wishes, > > > > > - > " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech > > Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:06 AM > Re: Phaladipika > > > Dear S.G. > > If you try to apply dicta of Bhavarth Ratnakar or > any other classics without > considering the strength and placement of planets > you will not achieve > success. Jupiter in Taurus ascendent for example > would give good results > only if strong and not afflicting any planet or > house, as correctly pointed > out in SA. Neechbhanga Raj yoga is definitely not > consistent and good > results obtained sometimes can be explained through > other concepts. Although > Saturn is debilitated for 2.5 years, it strength > varies depending upon the > strength of its dispositor, and on times it may be > aspected by strong > functional benefics. You always have to apply > complete system, not just one > concept in isolation. > > The authors of articles I pointed out in AM were > S.K.Singhania, V.K.Jain, > and Suryanarain Rao etc. I will give you more > detailed list tomorrow if you > wish. > > I agree with you that for the progress of a science, > ideas should flow > freely. At the same times everybody should be > acknowledged for his ideas or > work. B.V.Raman started the magazine where different > people could share > their theories. He should be appreciated for that. > Iyer and Krishnamurthy > were first to challenge the classics, although the > techniques they put > forward were complicated and very different from the > classical principles. > SA on the other hand is much more based on > classicals and is very simple and > universally applicable. Therefore I believe this has > a great future, > especially because Prof Chaudhury is putting great > effort in explaining his > point of view. As with any science, it also has a > room to improve. > > I think there is no use in talking to ICAS. If VKC > could not convince them > how can you? > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: > Dear Raj ji , > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way > only. > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for > Aquaris > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer > Rajayoga. > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand > that > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . > As > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus > Lagna > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > There he is not taking MT . > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > article in Astrological Magazine , It will help > m > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai > as > currently what I face from them are on the > following grounds > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only > . > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt > that > M.T is th important house but other house's > role will come into effect . > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various > lagnas > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie > why > I repeatedly asked the question > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED > , > IS THERE BHANGA ? > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the > SA > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen > without free flow of ideas. > > Thanks and reg > > SG. > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in > Classical > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and > vice > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me > can > > use successfully. > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > those gems, look into the following: > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), > 15.11, > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT > signs). > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year > 1971, > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 > (for > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > Thanks > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > > wrote: Dear > > Alchocoden , > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think > so > > > > that that would have influenced our > Professor. > > To > > come out with a system only research > would > > have helped him . > > > > SG. > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > Labouré > === message truncated === ________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by " Green Rating " at Autos' Green Center. http://autos./green_center/ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Respected Prof. Chaudhury: You are so right when you say: Good things happenend when they are destined. However even the concept of functional malefic and benefic planets was also there much before 1985, although it was not very well understood or accepted. Thanks for making it clear to the astrology community. I hope the community can now move forward and go to the next level of accuracy. Raj Chadha siha wrote: Hello Mr. Raj, I am to the scene much later in 1985 and had no access to the magazines of 1970s. The main point which gave birth to SA was the functional nature of planets. Good things in life are achieved if it is destined. Best wishes, - " Raj Cgadha " <rkctech Saturday, January 20, 2007 12:06 AM Re: Phaladipika Dear S.G. If you try to apply dicta of Bhavarth Ratnakar or any other classics without considering the strength and placement of planets you will not achieve success. Jupiter in Taurus ascendent for example would give good results only if strong and not afflicting any planet or house, as correctly pointed out in SA. Neechbhanga Raj yoga is definitely not consistent and good results obtained sometimes can be explained through other concepts. Although Saturn is debilitated for 2.5 years, it strength varies depending upon the strength of its dispositor, and on times it may be aspected by strong functional benefics. You always have to apply complete system, not just one concept in isolation. The authors of articles I pointed out in AM were S.K.Singhania, V.K.Jain, and Suryanarain Rao etc. I will give you more detailed list tomorrow if you wish. I agree with you that for the progress of a science, ideas should flow freely. At the same times everybody should be acknowledged for his ideas or work. B.V.Raman started the magazine where different people could share their theories. He should be appreciated for that. Iyer and Krishnamurthy were first to challenge the classics, although the techniques they put forward were complicated and very different from the classical principles. SA on the other hand is much more based on classicals and is very simple and universally applicable. Therefore I believe this has a great future, especially because Prof Chaudhury is putting great effort in explaining his point of view. As with any science, it also has a room to improve. I think there is no use in talking to ICAS. If VKC could not convince them how can you? Thanks RAJ K. CHADHA SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: Dear Raj ji , I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. There he is not taking MT . Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as currently what I face from them are on the following grounds 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that M.T is th important house but other house's role will come into effect . 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why I repeatedly asked the question " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , IS THERE BHANGA ? Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen without free flow of ideas. Thanks and reg SG. --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > SG and Alchocoden: > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > use successfully. > > However, if you still want to see the source of > those gems, look into the following: > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > importance of Bhukti lord). > > Thanks > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > wrote: Dear > Alchocoden , > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > To > come out with a system only research would > have helped him . > > SG. > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > Hello Professor, > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > Labouré > > who cites two verses from > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > delineation on these. Can we > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > François > > > > > > > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? 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Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dear SG: I am still a learner, pardon me for any mistakes in my view. I would like to share about debility and combust. I have a chart Venus lord of 11th house is debilitated and combust 50%, well disposed in 10th house (Virgo) along with lord of 10th Mercury and Lord of 9th, the Sun. Lord of 5th house Mars is debilitated, infancy, and placed in 8th house, and debilitated in Navamsa, 93% aspect of Ketu from 12th house. The lord of 8th house, Moon is well disposed except the dispositor Jupiter is in 12th house, infancy 76% Rahu and Ketu axis. No affliction to any of the houses. Now in Rahu/Venus. He had poor childhood, but from teenage he had steady growth in career and income, very good married life, healthy wife, good children who are all 30 years above now and well placed in life. Debility and combust have not made any misery to him. In Light on life the author says the debilitated planets are like a handicapped, if he gets a cane he can do good things also. In ancient astrology for modern western astrologer, the author says if debilitated planets are well disposed, it can do good things also. Both say debility is a debility. My view is the debilitated planets may cause havoc, but if other conditions are favorable, well placed, auspicious conjunction and aspects, dasa sequence and transits are favorable, the planets do good also. Natural malefic and natural benefic concept has confused a lot. The SA principle Functional nature of planets removed the confusion. We will take the statement 'Debility will play havoc', but results have to be derived from the whole set of principles using functional nature of planets. Please correct if any mistake in my views. reagrds, jayachandran , SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g wrote: > > Dear Raj ji , > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way only. > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the sources > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for Aquaris > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer Rajayoga. > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand that > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga . As > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus Lagna > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . Jupiter > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > There he is not taking MT . > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > article in Astrological Magazine , It will help m > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai as > currently what I face from them are on the > following grounds > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings only . > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt that > M.T is th important house but other house's > role will come into effect . > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded . > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for these > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various lagnas > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie why > I repeatedly asked the question > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED , > IS THERE BHANGA ? > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the SA > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot happen > without free flow of ideas. > > Thanks and reg > > SG. > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in Classical > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a puper's > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and vice > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury for > > picking up a few gems among them while discarding > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me can > > use successfully. > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > those gems, look into the following: > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), 15.11, > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT signs). > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year 1971, > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 (for > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > Thanks > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > > wrote: Dear > > Alchocoden , > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think so > > > > that that would have influenced our Professor. > > To > > come out with a system only research would > > have helped him . > > > > SG. > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > Labouré > > > who cites two verses from > > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and base > > > delineation on these. Can we > > > say that this book influenced in some way your > > > Systems Approach synthesis? I > > > think I see some common links with SA here. > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from > > Answers users. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with the Search movie showtime shortcut. > http://tools.search./shortcuts/#news > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dear Jayachandran, I also agree with your view. ie If deb planet is young , well placed, aspected/associated with FBs and Dispositor strong , then one need not panic. In the eg brought out by you, Sun is the 9th lord. Combustion effect will come into effect only during transit . Thanks SG. --- rama_jayachandran <rama_jayachandran wrote: > Dear SG: > > I am still a learner, pardon me for any mistakes in > my view. > > I would like to share about debility and combust. I > have a chart > Venus lord of 11th house is debilitated and combust > 50%, well > disposed in 10th house (Virgo) along with lord of > 10th Mercury and > Lord of 9th, the Sun. Lord of 5th house Mars is > debilitated, infancy, > and placed in 8th house, and debilitated in Navamsa, > 93% aspect of > Ketu from 12th house. The lord of 8th house, Moon is > well disposed > except the dispositor Jupiter is in 12th house, > infancy 76% Rahu and > Ketu axis. No affliction to any of the houses. Now > in Rahu/Venus. > > He had poor childhood, but from teenage he had > steady growth in > career and income, very good married life, healthy > wife, good > children who are all 30 years above now and well > placed in life. > > Debility and combust have not made any misery to > him. In Light on > life the author says the debilitated planets are > like a handicapped, > if he gets a cane he can do good things also. In > ancient astrology > for modern western astrologer, the author says if > debilitated planets > are well disposed, it can do good things also. Both > say debility is a > debility. > > My view is the debilitated planets may cause havoc, > but if other > conditions are favorable, well placed, auspicious > conjunction and > aspects, dasa sequence and transits are favorable, > the planets do > good also. > > Natural malefic and natural benefic concept has > confused a lot. The > SA principle Functional nature of planets removed > the confusion. We > will take the statement 'Debility will play havoc', > but results have > to be derived from the whole set of principles using > functional > nature of planets. > > Please correct if any mistake in my views. > > reagrds, > jayachandran > > > > , SADASIVAN > GOPALAKRISHNAN > <sadasivan_g wrote: > > > > Dear Raj ji , > > > > I also replied to Alcho in a similar way > only. > > > > Any how thanks . I will go thru the > sources > > immediately . Bhavaratnakara by Dr B.V Raman > > (Translation of Ramanujam )says that for > Aquaris > > Lagna , Venus and Mars will not confer > Rajayoga. > > B.V Raman has said he failed to understand > that > > . As per SA, Mars is not the 10th lord . > > Ramanujam has said that for Aries Lagna , > > Saturn and Jup combo will not confer Rajayoga > . As > > per SA , Saturn is not the 10th lord. > > > > But Ramanjuman has said that for Taurus > Lagna > > , Mercury and Jup will confer wealth . > Jupiter > > is the 11th lord and Mercury the 2nd lord. > > There he is not taking MT . > > > > Any how, if you could tell me who wrote the > > > article in Astrological Magazine , It will > help m > > e in taking up with ICAS Members at Chennai > as > > currently what I face from them are on the > > following grounds > > > > 1) ICAS will follow B.V Raman's teachings > only . > > > > 2) There is no emphasis on M.T . No doubt > that > > M.T is th important house but other house's > > > role will come into effect . > > > > 3) Never underestimate debilitated planets . > > People with 2 or 3 deb planets have suceeded > . > > Neechabhanga Rajayoga applies. > > > > Raj ji , Saturn is debilitated for 2 1/2 yeas > > > and Jup for 1 year . To say that for > these > > periods MT lords(Sat and Jup) for various > lagnas > > will suffer is slightly unpalatable only . ie > why > > I repeatedly asked the question > > > > " IF THE DEB PLANET IS YOUNG AND WELL PLACED > , > > IS THERE BHANGA ? > > Do not misunderstand that I am opposing the > SA > > priniple of DEB Planets . Learning canot > happen > > without free flow of ideas. > > > > Thanks and reg > > > > SG. > > --- Raj Cgadha <rkctech wrote: > > > > > SG and Alchocoden: > > > > > > There a large number of Yogas and dicta in > Classical > > > Astrology. If you use them you can take a > puper's > > > chart and show that it belongs to a king, and > vice > > > versa. The credit has to go to Prof Chaudhury > for > > > picking up a few gems among them while > discarding > > > the rest, and weaving them into a cohesive and > > > reproducible system that anybody like you and me > can > > > use successfully. > > > > > > However, if you still want to see the source of > > > those gems, look into the following: > > > Phaladeepika: Shloka 8.35 (for MEP concept), > 15.11, > > > 15.13, 15.17 and 15.19 (for priortising MT > signs). > > > Astrological magazine: Year 1970, page 495 (for > > > Rahu/Ketu), 769 (for orb of 5 degrees). Year > 1971, > > > page 708 (for dispositor concept) and page 939 > (for > > > importance of Bhukti lord). > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RAJ K. CHADHA > > > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN <sadasivan_g > > > wrote: Dear > > > Alchocoden , > > > > > > Can you quote those 2 verses . I dont think > so > > > > > > that that would have influenced our > Professor. > > > To > > > come out with a system only research > would > > > have helped him . > > > > > > SG. > > > --- ALCHOCODEN <alchocoden wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Professor, > > > > > > > > Actually I am reading a booklet from Denis > > > Labouré > > > > who cites two verses from > > > > Phaladipika (chap 15, verses 1 and 6) and > base > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv./collections/265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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