On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

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samva ;

Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:04 AM

On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

 

 

 

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24 hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM, 3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue, the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries, assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology). However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the

general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one

person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth

of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population

would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3%

probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3%

probability for each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth

times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the

placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24

hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM,

3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more

frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue,

the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie

away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some

ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries,

assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more

prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more

prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence

that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising

sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on

the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology).

However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have

the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have

seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own

assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

 

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Dear Sheri, Thank you very much for the reference. The actual study of the French population (the report is in English) is very interesting, especially the graphical representation of the planets by sign for the births (Please note that the presentation is as per the Tropical or Western Zodiac). http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/Castille.pdf In particular, there are clear seasonal factors at work, with more people born in some months than others. In this regard, I came across a suggested fact that more births in the USA take place in July than in other months. According to the Didier study, this is different for the French people. One element I find surprising is the statistical disconnect between the Sun and Mercury distribution given the proximity of

these planets in transit at all times - they are within 28° of each other at maximum at any given time. In any event, the search goes on for data on the distribution of ascendants in the general population. However, anecdotal information I have come across suggests more births take place during night time or morning hours. Biological mechanisms involving hormones of the mother and more tranquility are suggested as factors. Best regards, CSheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote: Dear C,I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population. It seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a

related topic, there is an interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm . Sheri PowersCosmologer wrote:Hello list,I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the general population. If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for each ascendant. There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the

placement of the country where the birth takes place. It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24 hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM, 3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue, the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries, assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising sign if morning births are more prevalent. Optimally, it

would be best to answer this question with research studies on the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology). However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have the data to produce it. I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?Best regards,CHave a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know.

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Dear C,

 

What would the application of such knowledge be?

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

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samva ;

Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:04 AM

On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

 

 

 

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24 hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM, 3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue, the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries, assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology). However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear C,

I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population.

It seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank

software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a related topic, there is

an interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you

haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at

www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm .

 

Sheri

Powers

 

Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the

general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person

in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the

population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have

Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that

any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for

each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth

times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the

placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24

hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM,

3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more

frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue,

the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie

away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some

ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries,

assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more

prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more

prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence

that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising

sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the

distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology).

However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have

the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have

seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own

assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sheri,

 

Thank you very much for the reference.

 

The actual study of the French population (the report is in English) is very

interesting, especially the graphical representation of the planets by sign for

the births (Please note that the presentation is as per the Tropical or Western

Zodiac).

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/Castille.pdf

 

In particular, there are clear seasonal factors at work, with more people born

in some months than others. In this regard, I came across a suggested fact that

more births in the USA take place in July than in other months. According to the

Didier study, this is different for the French people.

 

One element I find surprising is the statistical disconnect between the Sun

and Mercury distribution given the proximity of these planets in transit at all

times - they are within 28° of each other at maximum at any given time.

 

In any event, the search goes on for data on the distribution of ascendants in

the general population.

 

However, anecdotal information I have come across suggests more births take

place during night time or morning hours. Biological mechanisms involving

hormones of the mother and more tranquility are suggested as factors.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote:

Dear C,

I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population. It

seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank

software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a related topic, there is an

interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you

haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at

www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm .

 

Sheri Powers

 

Cosmologer wrote:

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the

general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person

in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the

population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have

Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that

any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for

each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth

times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the

placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24

hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM,

3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more

frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue,

the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie

away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some

ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries,

assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more

prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more

prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence

that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising

sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the

distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology).

However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have

the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have

seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own

assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

 

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Hello Cosmologer and list members,

 

here is another interesting study made by an insurance company based on the Western solar signs.

 

http://news./s/nm/20061214/od_nm/astrology_driving1_dc

 

With kind regards,

 

Jean

 

 

 

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; samva

Friday, December 15, 2006 3:02 AM

Re: On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

 

 

Dear Sheri,Thank you very much for the reference. The actual study of the French population (the report is in English) is very interesting, especially the graphical representation of the planets by sign for the births (Please note that the presentation is as per the Tropical or Western Zodiac). http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/Castille.pdfIn particular, there are clear seasonal factors at work, with more people born in some months than others. In this regard, I came across a suggested fact that more births in the USA take place in July than in other months. According to the Didier study, this is different for the French people.One element I find surprising is the statistical disconnect between the Sun and Mercury distribution given the proximity of these planets in transit at all times - they are within 28° of each other at maximum at any given time.In any event, the search goes on for data on the distribution of ascendants in the general population.However, anecdotal information I have come across suggests more births take place during night time or morning hours. Biological mechanisms involving hormones of the mother and more tranquility are suggested as factors.Best regards,CSheri Powers <mermaidslace > wrote:Dear C,I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population. It seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a related topic, there is an interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm . Sheri PowersCosmologer wrote:Hello list,I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the general population. If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for each ascendant. There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the placement of the country where the birth takes place. It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24 hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM, 3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue, the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries, assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising sign if morning births are more prevalent. Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology). However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have the data to produce it. I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?Best regards,CHave a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know.

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Dear Vyas, The information about the distribution of ascendants in the population, if uneven, could be helpful to consider as another indication of the characteristics of a given population. That said, the idea arose when doing research on the 247 mundane astrology charts rectified by our dear Jorge Angelino over the span of more than two years. This truly is a significant feat and a major contribution to mundane astrology. As such it is worthy of further study. One issue that came up when studying these rectifications is that of the 247 chart ascendants rectified one quarter came out to be in odd signs and three quarters are in even signs. This is a surprising result, but need not be impossible. 25,5% of charts fall in odd signs of Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants with 2-3 functional malefics, except Aquarius with 4 FMs. 74,9% of charts fall in even signs of Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn and Pisces ascendants with 4-5 functional malefics. Almost 40% are in two signs, Taurus and Virgo – signs associated with greater incidence of problems in life. A gif file is attached showing the frequency by ascendant. The line is suggestive of the relationship that emerges: the more times an ascendant is the result of the rectification, the more likely it is to have more functional malefics. Is this result due to the method used, or is it because the distribution is uneven in a given population. In the latter case we

could draw inferences from population distribution to country (mundane) distribution. However, there are exceptions to this. Pisces which has 5 FMs and Gemini which has 2 FMs have about the same frequency. So, this is a perplexing distribution, which would be good to understand better with population data. In any event, this is a table showing the frequency distribution - with 8,35% being the expected frequency if the distribution is even. Ascendant % No. of FMs Leo 3,2% 3 Sagittarius 3,2% 3 Aquarius 3,2% 4 Aries 4,5% 3 Libra 4,5% 3 Gemini 6,9% 2 Pisces 7,3% 5 Capricorn 7,7% 4 Scorpio 9,7% 4 Cancer 12,1% 4 Taurus 18,6% 5 Virgo 19,4% 5 In general, the greater the number of functional malefics in an ascendant, the more likely it is to appear in the rectifications, as the attached graph shows. This outcome is the result of the methodology of matching signficant events with different ascending sign charts. In my view, such an outcome can be justified if it represents a distribution showing up in e.g. person centered astrology. As I have not seen any studies on the distributions of ascendants in sidereal astrology. I wanted to pose this particular question to the list members to be better able to appreciate the result. If such a distribution coincides with our experience of ascendants in personal astrology it becomes easier to understand. Best wishes, C SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear C,> > What would the application of such knowledge be?> > > Best regards,> > Vyas Munidas>

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Dear C,

 

Pisces which has 5 FMs and Gemini which has 2 FMs have about the same frequency.

 

Re. Pisces - it has been my observation (perhaps incorrectly) that TR planets tend to pass fairly quickly through Pisces, and/or Pisces itself does not rise for any significant amount of time compared to say Virgo or Libra that seem to rise for ages.

 

I wonder if there is a table of data showing the average rising duration of each Lagna - although perhaps that would also depend on the longitude/latitude from place to place.

 

Sateesh.

 

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- Cosmologer

samva ;

Friday, December 15, 2006 5:42 PM

Re: On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

 

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

The information about the distribution of ascendants in the population, if uneven, could be helpful to consider as another indication of the characteristics of a given population.

 

That said, the idea arose when doing research on the 247 mundane astrology charts rectified by our dear Jorge Angelino over the span of more than two years. This truly is a significant feat and a major contribution to mundane astrology. As such it is worthy of further study. One issue that came up when studying these rectifications is that of the 247 chart ascendants rectified one quarter came out to be in odd signs and three quarters are in even signs. This is a surprising result, but need not be impossible.

 

25,5% of charts fall in odd signs of Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants with 2-3 functional malefics, except Aquarius with 4 FMs.

74,9% of charts fall in even signs of Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn and Pisces ascendants with 4-5 functional malefics.

 

Almost 40% are in two signs, Taurus and Virgo – signs associated with greater incidence of problems in life. A gif file is attached showing the frequency by ascendant. The line is suggestive of the relationship that emerges: the more times an ascendant is the result of the rectification, the more likely it is to have more functional malefics. Is this result due to the method used, or is it because the distribution is uneven in a given population. In the latter case we could draw inferences from population distribution to country (mundane) distribution. However, there are exceptions to this. Pisces which has 5 FMs and Gemini which has 2 FMs have about the same frequency. So, this is a perplexing distribution, which would be good to understand better with population data.

 

In any event, this is a table showing the frequency distribution - with 8,35% being the expected frequency if the distribution is even.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ascendant

 

%

 

No. of FMs

 

 

Leo

 

3,2%

 

3

 

 

Sagittarius

 

3,2%

 

3

 

 

Aquarius

 

3,2%

 

4

 

 

Aries

 

4,5%

 

3

 

 

Libra

 

4,5%

 

3

 

 

Gemini

 

6,9%

 

2

 

 

Pisces

 

7,3%

 

5

 

 

Capricorn

 

7,7%

 

4

 

 

Scorpio

 

9,7%

 

4

 

 

Cancer

 

12,1%

 

4

 

 

Taurus

 

18,6%

 

5

 

 

Virgo

 

19,4%

 

5

 

In general, the greater the number of functional malefics in an ascendant, the more likely it is to appear in the rectifications, as the attached graph shows.

 

This outcome is the result of the methodology of matching signficant events with different ascending sign charts. In my view, such an outcome can be justified if it represents a distribution showing up in e.g. person centered astrology.

 

As I have not seen any studies on the distributions of ascendants in sidereal astrology. I wanted to pose this particular question to the list members to be better able to appreciate the result. If such a distribution coincides with our experience of ascendants in personal astrology it becomes easier to understand.

 

Best wishes,

 

C

 

SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear C,> > What would the application of such knowledge be?> > > Best regards,> > Vyas Munidas>

 

[Guest guest]

Dear C,

 

The first thing that comes to mind: those signs indicating greater administrative capacity and wealth will be fewer, whilst those signs indicating servitude will be greatest in any population.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Vyas Munidas

 

 

- Cosmologer

samva ;

Friday, December 15, 2006 12:42 PM

Re: On the distribution of ascendants in the general population

 

 

 

Dear Vyas,

 

The information about the distribution of ascendants in the population, if uneven, could be helpful to consider as another indication of the characteristics of a given population.

 

That said, the idea arose when doing research on the 247 mundane astrology charts rectified by our dear Jorge Angelino over the span of more than two years. This truly is a significant feat and a major contribution to mundane astrology. As such it is worthy of further study. One issue that came up when studying these rectifications is that of the 247 chart ascendants rectified one quarter came out to be in odd signs and three quarters are in even signs. This is a surprising result, but need not be impossible.

 

25,5% of charts fall in odd signs of Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants with 2-3 functional malefics, except Aquarius with 4 FMs.

74,9% of charts fall in even signs of Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Scorpio, Capricorn and Pisces ascendants with 4-5 functional malefics.

 

Almost 40% are in two signs, Taurus and Virgo – signs associated with greater incidence of problems in life. A gif file is attached showing the frequency by ascendant. The line is suggestive of the relationship that emerges: the more times an ascendant is the result of the rectification, the more likely it is to have more functional malefics. Is this result due to the method used, or is it because the distribution is uneven in a given population. In the latter case we could draw inferences from population distribution to country (mundane) distribution. However, there are exceptions to this. Pisces which has 5 FMs and Gemini which has 2 FMs have about the same frequency. So, this is a perplexing distribution, which would be good to understand better with population data.

 

In any event, this is a table showing the frequency distribution - with 8,35% being the expected frequency if the distribution is even.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ascendant

 

%

 

No. of FMs

 

 

Leo

 

3,2%

 

3

 

 

Sagittarius

 

3,2%

 

3

 

 

Aquarius

 

3,2%

 

4

 

 

Aries

 

4,5%

 

3

 

 

Libra

 

4,5%

 

3

 

 

Gemini

 

6,9%

 

2

 

 

Pisces

 

7,3%

 

5

 

 

Capricorn

 

7,7%

 

4

 

 

Scorpio

 

9,7%

 

4

 

 

Cancer

 

12,1%

 

4

 

 

Taurus

 

18,6%

 

5

 

 

Virgo

 

19,4%

 

5

 

In general, the greater the number of functional malefics in an ascendant, the more likely it is to appear in the rectifications, as the attached graph shows.

 

This outcome is the result of the methodology of matching signficant events with different ascending sign charts. In my view, such an outcome can be justified if it represents a distribution showing up in e.g. person centered astrology.

 

As I have not seen any studies on the distributions of ascendants in sidereal astrology. I wanted to pose this particular question to the list members to be better able to appreciate the result. If such a distribution coincides with our experience of ascendants in personal astrology it becomes easier to understand.

 

Best wishes,

 

C

 

SAMVA , "Vyas Munidas" <muni> wrote:>> Dear C,> > What would the application of such knowledge be?> > > Best regards,> > Vyas Munidas>

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Cosmologer and list members,

 

here is another interesting study made by an insurance company based on the

Western solar signs.

 

http://news./s/nm/20061214/od_nm/astrology_driving1_dc

 

With kind regards,

 

Jean

 

 

-

Cosmologer

; samva

Friday, December 15, 2006 3:02 AM

Re: On the distribution of ascendants in the general

population

 

 

Dear Sheri,

 

Thank you very much for the reference.

 

The actual study of the French population (the report is in English) is very

interesting, especially the graphical representation of the planets by sign for

the births (Please note that the presentation is as per the Tropical or Western

Zodiac).

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/Castille.pdf

 

In particular, there are clear seasonal factors at work, with more people born

in some months than others. In this regard, I came across a suggested fact that

more births in the USA take place in July than in other months. According to the

Didier study, this is different for the French people.

 

One element I find surprising is the statistical disconnect between the Sun

and Mercury distribution given the proximity of these planets in transit at all

times - they are within 28° of each other at maximum at any given time.

 

In any event, the search goes on for data on the distribution of ascendants in

the general population.

 

However, anecdotal information I have come across suggests more births take

place during night time or morning hours. Biological mechanisms involving

hormones of the mother and more tranquility are suggested as factors.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

Sheri Powers <mermaidslace wrote:

Dear C,

I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population.

It seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank

software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a related topic, there is an

interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you

haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at

www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm .

 

Sheri Powers

 

Cosmologer wrote:

Hello list,

 

I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the

general population.

 

If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one

person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth

of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population

would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3%

probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3%

probability for each ascendant.

 

There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth

times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the

placement of the country where the birth takes place.

 

It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24

hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM,

3PM and 11PM. However, it could also be that births in the day time are more

frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue,

the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie

away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some

ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries,

assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more

prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more

prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence

that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising

sign if morning births are more prevalent.

 

Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on

the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology).

However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have

the data to produce it.

 

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have

seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own

assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

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Dear C, The graphic representation of Venus's distribution was shaped like a star, and Jupiter's somewhat like a flower. I thought that was very unusual. Very interesting discussion- thanks- SheriCosmologer <cosmologer wrote: Dear Sheri, Thank you very much for the reference. The actual study of the French population (the report is in English) is very interesting, especially the graphical

representation of the planets by sign for the births (Please note that the presentation is as per the Tropical or Western Zodiac). http://www.astrodatabank.com/AS/Castille.pdf In particular, there are clear seasonal factors at work, with more people born in some months than others. In this regard, I came across a suggested fact that more births in the USA take place in July than in other months. According to the Didier study, this is different for the French people. One element I find surprising is the statistical disconnect between the Sun and Mercury distribution given the proximity of these planets in transit at all times - they are within 28° of each other at maximum at any given time. In any event, the search goes on for data on the distribution of ascendants in the

general population. However, anecdotal information I have come across suggests more births take place during night time or morning hours. Biological mechanisms involving hormones of the mother and more tranquility are suggested as factors. Best regards, CSheri Powers <mermaidslace > wrote: Dear C,I have not seen a study on the distribution of ascendants in the population. It seems that perhaps some kind of study could be done using the astrodatabank software, since it contains thousands of charts. On a related topic, there is an interesting population study on the distribution of planets in signs. If you haven't read it yet, I found it on the cura astrology website and also at www.astrodatabank.com/AS/castille.htm . Sheri

PowersCosmologer wrote:Hello list,I have a research question relating to the distribution of ascendants in the general population. If the 12 ascendants were distributed evenly in the population every one person in 12 should have one particular ascendant. In other words, one twelfth of the population would have Aries ascendant, one twelfth of the population would have Taurus ascendant, etc. This would mean that there was an 8,3% probability that any given person has one particular ascendant - the same 8,3% probability for each ascendant. There are two elements to this issue. One relates to the distribution of birth times over the 24 hour period and year and the other has to do with the placement of the country where the birth takes place. It should be an empirical issue if births are evenly distributed across the 24 hour period. If so, there would be an even chance to be born at e.g. 1AM, 7AM, 3PM and 11PM. However, it

could also be that births in the day time are more frequent. If this were the case, this would have an impact on the latter issue, the location of the country in relation to the equator. In countries that lie away from the equator, both to the north and to the south, we know that some ascendants pass more quickly over the horizon than others. In such countries, assuming more births take place in the morning, certain signs may become more prevalent. In northerly countries, Virgos may for instance become more prevelant, at least during certain seasons of the year. There is some evidence that suggests births in the fall are more prevalent, also favouring this rising sign if morning births are more prevalent. Optimally, it would be best to answer this question with research studies on the distributions of ascendants (preferably in sidereal or vedic astrology). However, I have not been able to come across such studies yet and do not have the data to produce it.

I would therefore like to pose the question to the list members if they have seen such studies or if in their own experience they have arrived at their own assessment of such a distribution and would be willing to share it?Best regards,CHave a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know.

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Dear Vyas,

 

This theory is interesting but likely only

 

1. if Aries, Leo, etc. are mostly found to be in administrative roles

and having wealth while Virgo, Taurus, etc. are mostly found to be in

subservient roles and dependent on work related income.

 

As you know, other features in the chart, including strength of Sun

and Sun Like Planet (SLP), also would give leadership qualities while

weakness in a chart may place a person in subservient role. So

ascendant need not be sole criteria.

 

2. if the distribution of ascendants in the population is highly

skewed as per the results of the mundane rectification work.

 

I would be interested to hear the view of on these

two points.

 

Best regards,

 

C

 

SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <muni> wrote:

>

> Dear C,

>

> The first thing that comes to mind: those signs indicating greater

administrative capacity and wealth will be fewer, whilst those signs

indicating servitude will be greatest in any population.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vyas Munidas

>

>

> -

> Cosmologer

> samva ;

> Friday, December 15, 2006 12:42 PM

> Re: On the distribution of ascendants in the

general population

>

>

>

> Dear Vyas,

>

> The information about the distribution of ascendants in the

population, if uneven, could be helpful to consider as another

indication of the characteristics of a given population.

>

> That said, the idea arose when doing research on the 247 mundane

astrology charts rectified by our dear Jorge Angelino over the span

of more than two years. This truly is a significant feat and a major

contribution to mundane astrology. As such it is worthy of further

study. One issue that came up when studying these rectifications is

that of the 247 chart ascendants rectified one quarter came out to

be in odd signs and three quarters are in even signs. This is a

surprising result, but need not be impossible.

>

> 25,5% of charts fall in odd signs of Aries, Gemini, Leo, Libra,

Sagittarius and Aquarius ascendants with 2-3 functional malefics,

except Aquarius with 4 FMs.

> 74,9% of charts fall in even signs of Taurus, Cancer, Virgo,

Scorpio, Capricorn and Pisces ascendants with 4-5 functional malefics.

>

> Almost 40% are in two signs, Taurus and Virgo - signs associated

with greater incidence of problems in life. A gif file is attached

showing the frequency by ascendant. The line is suggestive of the

relationship that emerges: the more times an ascendant is the result

of the rectification, the more likely it is to have more functional

malefics. Is this result due to the method used, or is it because the

distribution is uneven in a given population. In the latter case we

could draw inferences from population distribution to country

(mundane) distribution. However, there are exceptions to this. Pisces

which has 5 FMs and Gemini which has 2 FMs have about the same

frequency. So, this is a perplexing distribution, which would be good

to understand better with population data.

>

> In any event, this is a table showing the frequency distribution -

with 8,35% being the expected frequency if the distribution is even.

>

>

>

> Ascendant % No. of FMs

> Leo 3,2% 3

> Sagittarius 3,2% 3

> Aquarius 3,2% 4

> Aries 4,5% 3

> Libra 4,5% 3

> Gemini 6,9% 2

> Pisces 7,3% 5

> Capricorn 7,7% 4

> Scorpio 9,7% 4

> Cancer 12,1% 4

> Taurus 18,6% 5

> Virgo 19,4% 5

>

>

> In general, the greater the number of functional malefics in an

ascendant, the more likely it is to appear in the rectifications, as

the attached graph shows.

>

> This outcome is the result of the methodology of matching

signficant events with different ascending sign charts. In my view,

such an outcome can be justified if it represents a distribution

showing up in e.g. person centered astrology.

>

> As I have not seen any studies on the distributions of ascendants

in sidereal astrology. I wanted to pose this particular question to

the list members to be better able to appreciate the result. If such

a distribution coincides with our experience of ascendants in

personal astrology it becomes easier to understand.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> C

>

> SAMVA , " Vyas Munidas " <munidas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear C,

> >

> > What would the application of such knowledge be?

> >

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Vyas Munidas

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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