Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hi Surjit, Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in this chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, so some obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and 11H significators. Venus is in extreme old age and is the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only as strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly placed. MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally she has been running the MD of Ke and is currently in Ve MD. Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD is very weak - so good results aren't expected. Education is ok by this Ju, communicative ability and a bit of luck is indicated. This is certainly not the chart of a wealthy person. Your astrologer friend who ascertains that even beggars can have good charts, should be introduced to SA. I am certain that he will change his mind. The socio-economic background of the individual isn't imporant. This science is universal. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - Sujit Cc: Vyas Munidas Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:43 PM Judging a chart Dear Professor & list, How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? January 20, 1984 9:15am Trichur Kind regards Sujit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hello Sujit can the birth time be 09.07 AM in place 09.15? Is she very sure about the accuracy of her birth time? Thanks in advance Raj Shekhar Sharma On 12/1/06, Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the > individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with > hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable > strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will > achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great > horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hello Raj Shekhar, I have asked for reconfirmation of time and a copy of the original chart It make take few days to get, as the lady is out of station. Thanks Sujit - rajshekhar sharma Friday, December 01, 2006 11:38 AM Re: Judging a chart Hello Sujit can the birth time be 09.07 AM in place 09.15? Is she very sure about the accuracy of her birth time? Thanks in advance Raj Shekhar Sharma On 12/1/06, Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the > individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with > hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable > strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will > achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great > horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Dear Mr Vyas, 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad placement. 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd house gets strengthened. 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of strength of JUPITER. 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of course weak due to old age. So many big shots have old age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good placement . Far better than venus in 8th house in debilitation. 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad placement . But not harming by being in MEP of good houses. 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the list of weakness list. Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a very poor back ground. You have given arguments to somehow prove that the chart is not of a wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's reply saying that the birth details may not be accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Surjit, > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in this > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, so some > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and 11H > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and is > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only as > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly placed. > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally she has > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in Ve MD. > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD is > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative ability > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is certainly > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that even > beggars can have good charts, should be introduced > to SA. I am certain that he will change his mind. > > The socio-economic background of the individual > isn't imporant. This science is universal. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > Sujit > > Cc: Vyas Munidas > Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:43 PM > Judging a chart > > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic > background of the individual in judging a horoscope > ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very > poor economically and with hard effort have > completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good > positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the > chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even > beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, My judgement of this chart is based on my understanding of SA so far. Consider the weaknesses first, and the nature and strength of the lord of the operating periods to set the trends. You may seek the Professor's view on this chart and my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be faulty. I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. You have written: " Some Wealthy persons have even inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your own conscience boss. " I invite your posting of such accurate charts. Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and assuming - a discussion/statement based on a firm knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart Dear Mr Vyas, 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad placement. 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd house gets strengthened. 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of strength of JUPITER. 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of course weak due to old age. So many big shots have old age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good placement . Far better than venus in 8th house in debilitation. 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad placement . But not harming by being in MEP of good houses. 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the list of weakness list. Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a very poor back ground. You have given arguments to somehow prove that the chart is not of a wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's reply saying that the birth details may not be accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hi Surjit, > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in this > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, so some > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and 11H > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and is > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only as > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly placed. > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally she has > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in Ve MD. > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD is > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative ability > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is certainly > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that even > beggars can have good charts, should be introduced > to SA. I am certain that he will change his mind. > > The socio-economic background of the individual > isn't imporant. This science is universal. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > Sujit > > Cc: Vyas Munidas > Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:43 PM > Judging a chart > > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic > background of the individual in judging a horoscope > ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very > poor economically and with hard effort have > completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good > positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the > chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even > beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hello Sujit, I suggest you first master basics and learn to see the planetary strengths. The planets give their results in their own planetary periods as per their strength and functional nature. Only Jupiter is strong in this chart. Best wishes, - " Sujit " <sujit68 Cc: " Vyas Munidas " <muni> Friday, December 01, 2006 9:13 AM Judging a chart > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the > individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with > hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable > strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will > achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great > horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Sujit: First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and Moon. Struggle is written all over. Raj Chadha , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear List members, This recent discussion should drive home the following key points in analysis: 1) Strength of planets must be determined properly 2) Afflictions and severe weaknesses take precedence to elements of strength 3) The planetary periods are an integral part of the analysis and must always be considered Best regards, Vyas Munidas - rkchadha Friday, December 01, 2006 5:47 PM Re: Judging a chart Sujit: First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and Moon. Struggle is written all over. Raj Chadha , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Professor & list: I would like to thank all those who replied to my query. but if anybody has a opinion if back ground of the individual play's a role in judging horoscope's are welcome to write. Kind regards Sujit - Vyas Munidas Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:47 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart Dear List members, This recent discussion should drive home the following key points in analysis: 1) Strength of planets must be determined properly 2) Afflictions and severe weaknesses take precedence to elements of strength 3) The planetary periods are an integral part of the analysis and must always be considered Best regards, Vyas Munidas - rkchadha Friday, December 01, 2006 5:47 PM Re: Judging a chart Sujit: First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and Moon. Struggle is written all over. Raj Chadha , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Hello Sujit, The background and knowledge of the astrologer has certainly a big role in conveying of advice in any matter including astrology. The lack of proper understanding of planetary influences and human psychology in eighties and ninties led the researches in astrology focused only on statistical norms. During the course of discussions among the participants in astrological conferences and instant personal interaction in the conference itself is always a big opportunity for understanding the finer details of the astrological advice. Best wishes, www.YourNetAstrologer.com www.JyotishRemedies121.com A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018. (India) Phones: 91 124 - 2219240 Mobile 98110 16333 - " Sujit " <sujit68 Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:01 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart > Dear Professor & list: > > I would like to thank all those who replied to my query. > but if anybody has a opinion if back ground of the individual play's a > role in judging horoscope's are welcome to write. > > > Kind regards > Sujit > - > Vyas Munidas > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:47 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear List members, > > This recent discussion should drive home the following key points in > analysis: > > 1) Strength of planets must be determined properly > 2) Afflictions and severe weaknesses take precedence to elements of > strength > 3) The planetary periods are an integral part of the analysis and must > always be considered > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > - > rkchadha > > Friday, December 01, 2006 5:47 PM > Re: Judging a chart > > Sujit: > > First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha > came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak > Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and > Moon. Struggle is written all over. > > Raj Chadha > , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > > > Dear Professor & list, > > > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the > individual in judging a horoscope ? > > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically > and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in > reasonable strength. > > > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she > will achieve in life. > > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave > great horoscopes ? > > > > January 20, 1984 > > 9:15am > > Trichur > > > > Kind regards > > Sujit > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Dear Vyas, You have asked for the accuracy of the birth time in one of the questions posed by Sujit reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . I do not want to drag on and on the matter . Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The chart does not indicate that of a very poor persons chart. SG --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > understanding of SA so far. Consider the weaknesses > first, and the nature and strength of the lord of > the operating periods to set the trends. > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart and > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be faulty. > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > You have written: > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > own conscience boss. " > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a firm > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > placement. > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd house > > gets strengthened. > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > strength of JUPITER. > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of course > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > in debilitation. > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > good houses. > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > list of weakness list. > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > very poor back ground. You have given arguments to > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > reply saying that the birth details may not be > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in this > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, so > some > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > 11H > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > is > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only as > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > placed. > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally she > has > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in Ve > MD. > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD is > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > ability > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > certainly > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that even > > beggars can have good charts, should be > introduced > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > mind. > > > > The socio-economic background of the individual > > isn't imporant. This science is universal. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > Sujit > > > > Cc: Vyas Munidas > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:43 PM > > Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Professor & list, > > > > How much important is cultural and > socio-economic > > background of the individual in judging a > horoscope > > ? > > I have come across a chart of lady who is very > > poor economically and with hard effort have > > completed her post graduation. > > I find her chart great with planets in good > > positions and in reasonable strength. > > > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the > > chart, how much she will achieve in life. > > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even > > beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > > > January 20, 1984 > > 9:15am > > Trichur > > > > Kind regards > > Sujit > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 dear sujit, This is a very impoprtant point in judging a horoscope. Saravali, in raja yogas, clearly spells out that if a person with rajyoga is born in a royal family, he shall definitely become a king. If such a person is born in an ordinary family, he shall definitely become a big man and shall adorne social pretige and respect of the multitudes. he will be a rich man also and shall lead a comfortable family life. i think this is clear enough. r.s. chillar <rajchillar Sujit <sujit68 wrote: Dear Professor & list: I would like to thank all those who replied to my query. but if anybody has a opinion if back ground of the individual play's a role in judging horoscope's are welcome to write. Kind regards Sujit - Vyas Munidas Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:47 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart Dear List members, This recent discussion should drive home the following key points in analysis: 1) Strength of planets must be determined properly 2) Afflictions and severe weaknesses take precedence to elements of strength 3) The planetary periods are an integral part of the analysis and must always be considered Best regards, Vyas Munidas - rkchadha Friday, December 01, 2006 5:47 PM Re: Judging a chart Sujit: First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and Moon. Struggle is written all over. Raj Chadha , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, I disagree. The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible that this boy would have lost his parents in the Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would have been extremely problematic, and so too would Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, but unless alot of propitiations are being done, such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. Of course some help is given by the close association of some FB's, but not enough. There is no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this is the chart of someone who is doing well in life (above average) with no remedies. Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that the natal details match the person as the first point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in the first case that matches very well and the MEP is in the middle of Aq. Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take the time to learn the core principles of SA thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper understanding is better. Best regards, Vyas Munidas - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart Dear Vyas, You have asked for the accuracy of the birth time in one of the questions posed by Sujit reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . I do not want to drag on and on the matter . Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The chart does not indicate that of a very poor persons chart. SG --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > understanding of SA so far. Consider the weaknesses > first, and the nature and strength of the lord of > the operating periods to set the trends. > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart and > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be faulty. > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > You have written: > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > own conscience boss. " > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a firm > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > placement. > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd house > > gets strengthened. > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > strength of JUPITER. > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of course > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > in debilitation. > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > good houses. > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > list of weakness list. > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > very poor back ground. You have given arguments to > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > reply saying that the birth details may not be > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in this > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, so > some > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > 11H > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > is > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only as > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > placed. > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally she > has > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in Ve > MD. > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD is > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > ability > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > certainly > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that even > > beggars can have good charts, should be > introduced > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > mind. > > > > The socio-economic background of the individual > > isn't imporant. This science is universal. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > Sujit > > > > Cc: Vyas Munidas > > Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:43 PM > > Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Professor & list, > > > > How much important is cultural and > socio-economic > > background of the individual in judging a > horoscope > > ? > > I have come across a chart of lady who is very > > poor economically and with hard effort have > > completed her post graduation. > > I find her chart great with planets in good > > positions and in reasonable strength. > > > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the > > chart, how much she will achieve in life. > > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even > > beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > > > January 20, 1984 > > 9:15am > > Trichur > > > > Kind regards > > Sujit > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ________ > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. > http://music./unlimited > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music./unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Vyas, .I agree that you only said that it is not that of a rich person. But what made the chart very poor is the moot question. You reply that it is not that of a rich person is not answering the pblm .ie what I said . You read between the lines and jumped the gun .I have no pblm.Coming to the same chart , pls note that as per SA,the order of weakness is bad placement, combustion, affliction by MMFs, debilitation, old age, infancy, dispositor .I do not remember vividly but you can check . Why SA does not believe in Neechabhanga Raja yoga ? Because debilitated planets are weak and the weakness will be visible . As per SA, debilitated but well placed can also contribute to its strength. Bill Gates has sun in 5th house in debilitated . But well placed. In this chart , Venus is not 1) afflicted by malefics 2) Not combust 3) No dispositor as Venus is in Non MT 4)Not debilitated in any varga chart. Venus is in old age . But well placed in the house of Profession. All said and done, Venus is a yogakaraka . I can understand that Venus dasa would not be Outstanding or good .But not worse to make the lady poor .You may be a veteran but veterans slip at times.Godess Saraswathi herself has admitted that she has not learnt vidya fully yet. You do not not have to repeat like a broken record. I am reading SA books thoroughly only . Dont brand me as a person who challenges for the heck of challenging. I have better things to do.Your perception has to be set right.Criticism also should be welcomed . Sadasivan Gopalalkrishnan 1) --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > I disagree. > > The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant > change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that > chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from > H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes > serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, > spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly > afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible > that this boy would have lost his parents in the > Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be > required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would > have been extremely problematic, and so too would > Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, > but unless alot of propitiations are being done, > such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. > Of course some help is given by the close > association of some FB's, but not enough. There is > no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this > is the chart of someone who is doing well in life > (above average) with no remedies. > > Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than > accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single > case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that > the natal details match the person as the first > point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in > the first case that matches very well and the MEP is > in the middle of Aq. > > Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr > Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion > is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. > This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. > > I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take > the time to learn the core principles of SA > thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper > understanding is better. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Vyas, > > You have asked for the accuracy of the birth > time in one of the questions posed by Sujit > reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the > birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . > > I do not want to drag on and on the matter . > Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The > chart does not indicate that of a very poor > persons chart. > > SG > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > > understanding of SA so far. Consider the > weaknesses > > first, and the nature and strength of the lord > of > > the operating periods to set the trends. > > > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart > and > > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be > faulty. > > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > > > You have written: > > > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > own conscience boss. " > > > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a > firm > > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > > > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > > placement. > > > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd > house > > > > gets strengthened. > > > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > > strength of JUPITER. > > > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of > course > > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > > > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > > in debilitation. > > > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > > > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > > good houses. > > > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > > list of weakness list. > > > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > > very poor back ground. You have given arguments > to > > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > > reply saying that the birth details may not be > > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in > this > > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, > so > > some > > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > > 11H > > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > > is > > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only > as > > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > > placed. > > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally > she > > has > > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in > Ve > > MD. > > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD > is > > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > > ability > > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > > certainly > > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that > even > > > beggars can have good charts, should be > > introduced > > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > > mind. > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Hello list, Lets conclude this thread as I am the one who started it. Once again thanks for the opinion. In my view, well placed weak planets and weak dispositors also give short-term good results as per their strength. The problem is the weak placement of Sun in twelveth house. Sun in 12th gives weak eyesight and the lady is wearing spectacles and also can give problems in her profession. The positive's of the chart are as following: Moon in Cancer is in its Own House . Jupiter in Sagittarius is in its Own house & Mool Trikon. Saturn in Libra is Exalted. I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart Thanks to ALL Kind regards Sujit - SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM Re: Re: Judging a chart Dear Vyas, .I agree that you only said that it is not that of a rich person. But what made the chart very poor is the moot question. You reply that it is not that of a rich person is not answering the pblm .ie what I said . You read between the lines and jumped the gun .I have no pblm.Coming to the same chart , pls note that as per SA,the order of weakness is bad placement, combustion, affliction by MMFs, debilitation, old age, infancy, dispositor .I do not remember vividly but you can check . Why SA does not believe in Neechabhanga Raja yoga ? Because debilitated planets are weak and the weakness will be visible . As per SA, debilitated but well placed can also contribute to its strength. Bill Gates has sun in 5th house in debilitated . But well placed. In this chart , Venus is not 1) afflicted by malefics 2) Not combust 3) No dispositor as Venus is in Non MT 4)Not debilitated in any varga chart. Venus is in old age . But well placed in the house of Profession. All said and done, Venus is a yogakaraka . I can understand that Venus dasa would not be Outstanding or good .But not worse to make the lady poor .You may be a veteran but veterans slip at times.Godess Saraswathi herself has admitted that she has not learnt vidya fully yet. You do not not have to repeat like a broken record. I am reading SA books thoroughly only . Dont brand me as a person who challenges for the heck of challenging. I have better things to do.Your perception has to be set right.Criticism also should be welcomed . Sadasivan Gopalalkrishnan 1) --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > I disagree. > > The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant > change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that > chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from > H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes > serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, > spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly > afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible > that this boy would have lost his parents in the > Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be > required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would > have been extremely problematic, and so too would > Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, > but unless alot of propitiations are being done, > such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. > Of course some help is given by the close > association of some FB's, but not enough. There is > no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this > is the chart of someone who is doing well in life > (above average) with no remedies. > > Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than > accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single > case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that > the natal details match the person as the first > point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in > the first case that matches very well and the MEP is > in the middle of Aq. > > Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr > Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion > is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. > This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. > > I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take > the time to learn the core principles of SA > thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper > understanding is better. > > > Best regards, > > Vyas Munidas > > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Vyas, > > You have asked for the accuracy of the birth > time in one of the questions posed by Sujit > reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the > birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . > > I do not want to drag on and on the matter . > Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The > chart does not indicate that of a very poor > persons chart. > > SG > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > > understanding of SA so far. Consider the > weaknesses > > first, and the nature and strength of the lord > of > > the operating periods to set the trends. > > > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart > and > > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be > faulty. > > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > > > You have written: > > > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > own conscience boss. " > > > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a > firm > > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > > > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > > placement. > > > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd > house > > > > gets strengthened. > > > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > > strength of JUPITER. > > > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of > course > > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > > > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > > in debilitation. > > > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > > > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > > good houses. > > > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > > list of weakness list. > > > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > > very poor back ground. You have given arguments > to > > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > > reply saying that the birth details may not be > > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in > this > > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, > so > > some > > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > > 11H > > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > > is > > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only > as > > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > > placed. > > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally > she > > has > > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in > Ve > > MD. > > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD > is > > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > > ability > > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > > certainly > > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that > even > > > beggars can have good charts, should be > > introduced > > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > > mind. > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dear Raj Chadha, I would like to disagree with you about the results of maha-dasha's If the mahadasha lord is weak then only the sub-period of the mahadasha lord will go bad. We cannot make comments on the rest of the sub-dasha's based on the Mahadasha lord. If the whole of Mahadasha has to go bad then all the planets in the chart should be utterly weak..which is rare Regards Sujit - rkchadha Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:17 AM Re: Judging a chart Sujit: First of all this girl was born in the dasha of MMP. Then Ketu Dasha came in the childhood. Now she is running the dasha of a very weak Venus. This will be followed by dashas of badly placed planets Sun and Moon. Struggle is written all over. Raj Chadha , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Dear Professor & list, > > How much important is cultural and socio-economic background of the individual in judging a horoscope ? > I have come across a chart of lady who is very poor economically and with hard effort have completed her post graduation. > I find her chart great with planets in good positions and in reasonable strength. > > Can you give me a just a general opinion on the chart, how much she will achieve in life. > Once my astrologer friend here told me that even beggars can gave great horoscopes ? > > January 20, 1984 > 9:15am > Trichur > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hello Sujit and List, Though I did not take part in the discussion, my two pence on this chart is that as you say " I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart " , that is quite true for a Jupiter in strength but Strengthing of Venus is highly recommended since it disposits Saturn the Lagna Lord and is very weak in addition to being the MD lord. Such weakness of the 9th lord in 10th Karma and placement of the 1st lord in the 9th will make the native strive and work hard for fortune to shine.The native of this chart should look to make a living abroad. Please also add the strength of well placed exalted Rahu/Ketu to the positives of this chart as it WILL give good gains in appropiate time frames. To better manage and modulate the strength of the nodes so that they can give better results and less harm thus they should always be propiated. Regards Amit , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Hello list, > > Lets conclude this thread as I am the one who started it. Once again thanks for the opinion. > > In my view, well placed weak planets and weak dispositors also give short-term good results as per their strength. The problem is the weak placement of Sun in twelveth house. Sun in 12th gives weak eyesight and the lady is wearing spectacles and also can give problems in her profession. > > The positive's of the chart are as following: > > Moon in Cancer is in its Own House . > Jupiter in Sagittarius is in its Own house & Mool Trikon. > Saturn in Libra is Exalted. > > I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart > > Thanks to ALL > > Kind regards > Sujit > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Vyas, > > .I agree that you only said that it is not > that of a rich person. But what made the chart > very poor is the moot question. You reply that it > is not that of a rich person is not answering the > pblm .ie what I said . You read between the lines > and jumped the gun .I have no pblm.Coming to the > same chart , pls note that as per SA,the order > of weakness is bad placement, combustion, > affliction by MMFs, debilitation, old age, infancy, > dispositor .I do not remember vividly but you can > check . > Why SA does not believe in Neechabhanga Raja yoga ? > Because debilitated planets are weak and the > weakness will be visible . As per SA, debilitated > but well placed can also contribute to its > strength. Bill Gates has sun in 5th house in > debilitated . But well placed. In this chart , Venus > is not 1) afflicted by malefics 2) Not combust 3) No > dispositor as Venus is in Non MT 4)Not > debilitated in any varga chart. > > Venus is in old age . But well placed in the house > of Profession. All said and done, Venus is a > yogakaraka . I can understand that Venus dasa > would not be Outstanding or good .But not worse > to make the lady poor .You may be a veteran but > veterans slip at times.Godess Saraswathi herself has > admitted that she has not learnt vidya fully > yet. You do not not have to repeat like a broken > record. I am reading SA books thoroughly only . > Dont brand me as a person who challenges for > the heck of challenging. I have better things to > do.Your perception has to be set right.Criticism > also should be welcomed . > > Sadasivan Gopalalkrishnan > > 1) > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > I disagree. > > > > The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant > > change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that > > chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from > > H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes > > serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, > > spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly > > afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible > > that this boy would have lost his parents in the > > Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be > > required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would > > have been extremely problematic, and so too would > > Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, > > but unless alot of propitiations are being done, > > such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. > > Of course some help is given by the close > > association of some FB's, but not enough. There is > > no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this > > is the chart of someone who is doing well in life > > (above average) with no remedies. > > > > Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than > > accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single > > case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that > > the natal details match the person as the first > > point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in > > the first case that matches very well and the MEP is > > in the middle of Aq. > > > > Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr > > Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion > > is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. > > This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. > > > > I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take > > the time to learn the core principles of SA > > thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper > > understanding is better. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > You have asked for the accuracy of the birth > > time in one of the questions posed by Sujit > > reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the > > birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . > > > > I do not want to drag on and on the matter . > > Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The > > chart does not indicate that of a very poor > > persons chart. > > > > SG > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > > > understanding of SA so far. Consider the > > weaknesses > > > first, and the nature and strength of the lord > > of > > > the operating periods to set the trends. > > > > > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart > > and > > > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be > > faulty. > > > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > > > > > You have written: > > > > > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > own conscience boss. " > > > > > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > > > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > > > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a > > firm > > > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > > > > > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > > > placement. > > > > > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd > > house > > > > > > gets strengthened. > > > > > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > > > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > > > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > > > strength of JUPITER. > > > > > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of > > course > > > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > > > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > > > > > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > > > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > > > in debilitation. > > > > > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > > > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > > > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > > > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > > > > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > > > > > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > > > good houses. > > > > > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > > > list of weakness list. > > > > > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > > > very poor back ground. You have given arguments > > to > > > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > > > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > > > reply saying that the birth details may not be > > > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in > > this > > > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, > > so > > > some > > > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > > > 11H > > > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > > > is > > > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only > > as > > > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > > > placed. > > > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally > > she > > > has > > > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in > > Ve > > > MD. > > > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD > > is > > > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > > > ability > > > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > > > certainly > > > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that > > even > > > > beggars can have good charts, should be > > > introduced > > > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > > > mind. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hello Amit & list, Many thanks for replying. I also saw foreign connection in her chart and also suggested to her to start looking for job, which is possible in May/June, 07. In her chart lord of 7th, Sun is in the 12th. Does it indicate loss of spouse or father. Her Sun mahadasha is starting on 2014. Kind regards Sujit - amit_patnaik6 Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 AM Re: Judging a chart Hello Sujit and List, Though I did not take part in the discussion, my two pence on this chart is that as you say " I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart " , that is quite true for a Jupiter in strength but Strengthing of Venus is highly recommended since it disposits Saturn the Lagna Lord and is very weak in addition to being the MD lord. Such weakness of the 9th lord in 10th Karma and placement of the 1st lord in the 9th will make the native strive and work hard for fortune to shine.The native of this chart should look to make a living abroad. Please also add the strength of well placed exalted Rahu/Ketu to the positives of this chart as it WILL give good gains in appropiate time frames. To better manage and modulate the strength of the nodes so that they can give better results and less harm thus they should always be propiated. Regards Amit , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Hello list, > > Lets conclude this thread as I am the one who started it. Once again thanks for the opinion. > > In my view, well placed weak planets and weak dispositors also give short-term good results as per their strength. The problem is the weak placement of Sun in twelveth house. Sun in 12th gives weak eyesight and the lady is wearing spectacles and also can give problems in her profession. > > The positive's of the chart are as following: > > Moon in Cancer is in its Own House . > Jupiter in Sagittarius is in its Own house & Mool Trikon. > Saturn in Libra is Exalted. > > I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart > > Thanks to ALL > > Kind regards > Sujit > > - > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > Dear Vyas, > > .I agree that you only said that it is not > that of a rich person. But what made the chart > very poor is the moot question. You reply that it > is not that of a rich person is not answering the > pblm .ie what I said . You read between the lines > and jumped the gun .I have no pblm.Coming to the > same chart , pls note that as per SA,the order > of weakness is bad placement, combustion, > affliction by MMFs, debilitation, old age, infancy, > dispositor .I do not remember vividly but you can > check . > Why SA does not believe in Neechabhanga Raja yoga ? > Because debilitated planets are weak and the > weakness will be visible . As per SA, debilitated > but well placed can also contribute to its > strength. Bill Gates has sun in 5th house in > debilitated . But well placed. In this chart , Venus > is not 1) afflicted by malefics 2) Not combust 3) No > dispositor as Venus is in Non MT 4)Not > debilitated in any varga chart. > > Venus is in old age . But well placed in the house > of Profession. All said and done, Venus is a > yogakaraka . I can understand that Venus dasa > would not be Outstanding or good .But not worse > to make the lady poor .You may be a veteran but > veterans slip at times.Godess Saraswathi herself has > admitted that she has not learnt vidya fully > yet. You do not not have to repeat like a broken > record. I am reading SA books thoroughly only . > Dont brand me as a person who challenges for > the heck of challenging. I have better things to > do.Your perception has to be set right.Criticism > also should be welcomed . > > Sadasivan Gopalalkrishnan > > 1) > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > I disagree. > > > > The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant > > change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that > > chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from > > H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes > > serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, > > spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly > > afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible > > that this boy would have lost his parents in the > > Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be > > required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would > > have been extremely problematic, and so too would > > Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, > > but unless alot of propitiations are being done, > > such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. > > Of course some help is given by the close > > association of some FB's, but not enough. There is > > no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this > > is the chart of someone who is doing well in life > > (above average) with no remedies. > > > > Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than > > accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single > > case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that > > the natal details match the person as the first > > point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in > > the first case that matches very well and the MEP is > > in the middle of Aq. > > > > Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr > > Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion > > is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. > > This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. > > > > I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take > > the time to learn the core principles of SA > > thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper > > understanding is better. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > You have asked for the accuracy of the birth > > time in one of the questions posed by Sujit > > reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the > > birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . > > > > I do not want to drag on and on the matter . > > Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The > > chart does not indicate that of a very poor > > persons chart. > > > > SG > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > > > understanding of SA so far. Consider the > > weaknesses > > > first, and the nature and strength of the lord > > of > > > the operating periods to set the trends. > > > > > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart > > and > > > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be > > faulty. > > > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > > > > > You have written: > > > > > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > own conscience boss. " > > > > > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > > > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > > > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a > > firm > > > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > > > > > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > > > placement. > > > > > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd > > house > > > > > > gets strengthened. > > > > > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > > > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > > > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > > > strength of JUPITER. > > > > > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of > > course > > > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > > > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > > > > > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > > > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > > > in debilitation. > > > > > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > > > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > > > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > > > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > > > > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > > > > > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > > > good houses. > > > > > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > > > list of weakness list. > > > > > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > > > very poor back ground. You have given arguments > > to > > > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > > > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > > > reply saying that the birth details may not be > > > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <muni> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in > > this > > > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, > > so > > > some > > > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > > > 11H > > > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > > > is > > > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only > > as > > > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > > > placed. > > > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally > > she > > > has > > > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in > > Ve > > > MD. > > > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD > > is > > > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > > > ability > > > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > > > certainly > > > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that > > even > > > > beggars can have good charts, should be > > > introduced > > > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > > > mind. > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Hello Sujit, The placement of the 7th lord Sun in the 12th makes it weak to promote it's significance to the fullest, the Sun or is MT is not afflicted and Jupiter is in strength and protects. The signifiance of both the 7th and the Sun will suffer during Sun MD and appropiate AD and transits, setbacks to relationships and father will have the potential to manifest during stationary nodal affliction to the Sun or its MT during Sun MD. Regards Amit , Sujit <sujit68 wrote: > > Hello Amit & list, > > Many thanks for replying. I also saw foreign connection in her chart and also suggested to her to start looking for job, which is possible in May/June, 07. > > In her chart lord of 7th, Sun is in the 12th. Does it indicate loss of spouse or father. Her Sun mahadasha is starting on 2014. > > Kind regards > Sujit > > > - > amit_patnaik6 > > Friday, December 08, 2006 12:16 AM > Re: Judging a chart > > > > Hello Sujit and List, > > Though I did not take part in the discussion, my two pence on this > chart is that as you say " I consider this chart has lot of potential > financially and Jupiter will cover up the other weakness of the > chart, as it is natural and functional benefic in this chart " , that > is quite true for a Jupiter in strength but Strengthing of Venus is > highly recommended since it disposits Saturn the Lagna Lord and is > very weak in addition to being the MD lord. > > Such weakness of the 9th lord in 10th Karma and placement of the 1st > lord in the 9th will make the native strive and work hard for fortune > to shine.The native of this chart should look to make a living abroad. > > Please also add the strength of well placed exalted Rahu/Ketu to the > positives of this chart as it WILL give good gains in appropiate time > frames. To better manage and modulate the strength of the nodes so > that they can give better results and less harm thus they should > always be propiated. > > Regards > Amit > > , Sujit <sujit68@> wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > Lets conclude this thread as I am the one who started it. Once > again thanks for the opinion. > > > > In my view, well placed weak planets and weak dispositors also > give short-term good results as per their strength. The problem is > the weak placement of Sun in twelveth house. Sun in 12th gives weak > eyesight and the lady is wearing spectacles and also can give > problems in her profession. > > > > The positive's of the chart are as following: > > > > Moon in Cancer is in its Own House . > > Jupiter in Sagittarius is in its Own house & Mool Trikon. > > Saturn in Libra is Exalted. > > > > I consider this chart has lot of potential financially and Jupiter > will cover up the other weakness of the chart, as it is natural and > functional benefic in this chart > > > > Thanks to ALL > > > > Kind regards > > Sujit > > > > - > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > .I agree that you only said that it is not > > that of a rich person. But what made the chart > > very poor is the moot question. You reply that it > > is not that of a rich person is not answering the > > pblm .ie what I said . You read between the lines > > and jumped the gun .I have no pblm.Coming to the > > same chart , pls note that as per SA,the order > > of weakness is bad placement, combustion, > > affliction by MMFs, debilitation, old age, infancy, > > dispositor .I do not remember vividly but you can > > check . > > Why SA does not believe in Neechabhanga Raja yoga ? > > Because debilitated planets are weak and the > > weakness will be visible . As per SA, debilitated > > but well placed can also contribute to its > > strength. Bill Gates has sun in 5th house in > > debilitated . But well placed. In this chart , Venus > > is not 1) afflicted by malefics 2) Not combust 3) No > > dispositor as Venus is in Non MT 4)Not > > debilitated in any varga chart. > > > > Venus is in old age . But well placed in the house > > of Profession. All said and done, Venus is a > > yogakaraka . I can understand that Venus dasa > > would not be Outstanding or good .But not worse > > to make the lady poor .You may be a veteran but > > veterans slip at times.Godess Saraswathi herself has > > admitted that she has not learnt vidya fully > > yet. You do not not have to repeat like a broken > > record. I am reading SA books thoroughly only . > > Dont brand me as a person who challenges for > > the heck of challenging. I have better things to > > do.Your perception has to be set right.Criticism > > also should be welcomed . > > > > Sadasivan Gopalalkrishnan > > > > 1) > > --- Vyas Munidas <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > > > I disagree. > > > > > > The Taurus chart is and very close to ascendant > > > change (Ge). The blessing of easy gains in that > > > chart are given by Jupiter's aspect to it's MTH from > > > H2. Although, it afflicts H2/6/10. Mars causes > > > serious problems to mother/domestic life, career, > > > spouse, education and emotions. The Sun is exactly > > > afflicted by Ketu. In the early 80's it's possible > > > that this boy would have lost his parents in the > > > Ma/Su, Ma/Mo periods finer study would obviously be > > > required. With such heavy aflictions, Ra MD would > > > have been extremely problematic, and so too would > > > Jupiter's. I don't know the details of the native, > > > but unless alot of propitiations are being done, > > > such a person will be undergoing alot of challenges. > > > Of course some help is given by the close > > > association of some FB's, but not enough. There is > > > no proper SA astrologer who will conclude that this > > > is the chart of someone who is doing well in life > > > (above average) with no remedies. > > > > > > Inaccurate birth times are much more rampant than > > > accurate ones; surely you know this. In every single > > > case, it is the duty of an astrologer to verify that > > > the natal details match the person as the first > > > point. Surjit gave a general idea about the lady in > > > the first case that matches very well and the MEP is > > > in the middle of Aq. > > > > > > Additionally, you should see the Professor's and Mr > > > Raj Chadha's view on the lady's chart. My opinion > > > is: it is not the chart of a very wealthy person. > > > This does not mean the converse Mr Gopalkrishnan. > > > > > > I'll repeat myself like a broken record. Please take > > > the time to learn the core principles of SA > > > thoroughly. Challenging is ok, but from a proper > > > understanding is better. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > - > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > > > Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:06 AM > > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > > > > Dear Vyas, > > > > > > You have asked for the accuracy of the birth > > > time in one of the questions posed by Sujit > > > reg the impact of MMF Jupiter . Asking for the > > > birth time only indicates the confidence of SA . > > > > > > I do not want to drag on and on the matter . > > > Last statement of mine is not unwarranted.The > > > chart does not indicate that of a very poor > > > persons chart. > > > > > > SG > > > --- Vyas Munidas <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Mr Gopalkrishnan, > > > > > > > > My judgement of this chart is based on my > > > > understanding of SA so far. Consider the > > > weaknesses > > > > first, and the nature and strength of the lord > > > of > > > > the operating periods to set the trends. > > > > > > > > You may seek the Professor's view on this chart > > > and > > > > my analysis, if you believe my opinion to be > > > faulty. > > > > I'll welcome any corrections if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > You have written: > > > > > > > > " Some Wealthy persons have even > > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > > own conscience boss. " > > > > > > > > I invite your posting of such accurate charts. > > > > Secondly, the last sentence is unwarranted and > > > > assuming - a discussion/statement based on a > > > firm > > > > knowledge of SA is more appropriate and welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Vyas Munidas > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > SADASIVAN GOPALAKRISHNAN > > > > > > > > Friday, December 01, 2006 8:09 AM > > > > Re: Re: Judging a chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Vyas, > > > > > > > > 1) Lagna Lord Saturn is exalted in 9th house. OF > > > > > > > COURSE debilitated in Navamsa. But not a bad > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > 2) 3rd lord Mars is in MEP in 9th house. 3rd > > > house > > > > > > > > gets strengthened. > > > > > > > > 3)11th lord Jup is in own house .MMF mercury is > > > > not in close conjunction with Jup.A fag end > > > > conjunction. MMF impact gets diluted because of > > > > strength of JUPITER. > > > > > > > > 4) VENUS is yogakaraka . In 10th house. Of > > > course > > > > weak due to old age. So many big shots have old > > > > age planets .I am not here to argue reg old age. > > > > > > > 9th lord venus is in 10th house is a good > > > > placement . Far better than venus in 8th house > > > > in debilitation. > > > > > > > > 5) Ketu is exalted . Rahu/Ketu not in MEP and > > > > afflicting all the houses by aspect . You are > > > > saying that Ketu MD is always weak .People have > > > > Rahu/Ketu in MEP and suffering . > > > > > > > > 6) MMF moon is in its own house. old age and bad > > > > > > > placement . But not harming by being in MEP of > > > > good houses. > > > > > > > > 7) Dispositor weakness is ranking low in the > > > > list of weakness list. > > > > > > > > Sujit is telling that the lady hails from a > > > > very poor back ground. You have given arguments > > > to > > > > somehow prove that the chart is not of a > > > > wealthy person. Some Wealthy persons have even > > > > inferior horoscopes than that .Be fair to your > > > > own conscience boss. I appreciate Rajsekar's > > > > reply saying that the birth details may not be > > > > accurate . Sujit has said that he will revert. > > > > > > > > Sadasivan Gopalakrishnan > > > > > > > > --- Vyas Munidas <munidas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Surjit, > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is the only fully strong planet in > > > this > > > > > chart; Me is close to the MEP of this house, > > > so > > > > some > > > > > obstructions are indicated to Ju's general and > > > > 11H > > > > > significators. Venus is in extreme old age and > > > > is > > > > > the dispositor of Ma and Sa. A planet is only > > > as > > > > > strong as its dispositor. The Sun is badly > > > > placed. > > > > > MMP Me is close to H11 and H5. Additionally > > > she > > > > has > > > > > been running the MD of Ke and is currently in > > > Ve > > > > MD. > > > > > Ke MD is always troublesome and this Venus MD > > > is > > > > > very weak - so good results aren't expected. > > > > > > > > > > Education is ok by this Ju, communicative > > > > ability > > > > > and a bit of luck is indicated. This is > > > > certainly > > > > > not the chart of a wealthy person. > > > > > > > > > > Your astrologer friend who ascertains that > > > even > > > > > beggars can have good charts, should be > > > > introduced > > > > > to SA. I am certain that he will change his > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.