Differrence between Ascendant & ascendant Lor

[Guest guest]

Hello JV,

 

Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are hurt. If

the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord. All are

factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to come

into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

 

Aloha,

Sally

 

On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

>

> Learned members,

>

> As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

>

> But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

>

> please suggest

> regard

> JV

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for the reply from moonfinder2 and Sally Spencer.

 

As I am a new member, I am unaware about " SA " . also i did not understand what

is MEP?

 

kindly explain it.

 

thanks n regards

JV

 

moonfinder2 <moonfinder2 wrote:

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear JV,

 

MEP is the most effective point. It is simply the ascending degree translated

over to any house.

 

So, if the ascendant is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of all houses will be 15

degrees.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Arun Rao

 

jyotish visharad <jyotishvisharada wrote:

Thanks a lot for the reply from moonfinder2 and Sally Spencer.

 

As I am a new member, I am unaware about " SA " . also i did not understand what

is MEP?

 

kindly explain it.

 

thanks n regards

JV

 

moonfinder2 <moonfinder2 wrote:

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Check that, if the ascending degree is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of all houses

will be 23 degrees...

 

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear JV,

 

MEP is the most effective point. It is simply the ascending degree translated

over to any house.

 

So, if the ascendant is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of all houses will be 15

degrees.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Arun Rao

 

jyotish visharad <jyotishvisharada wrote:

Thanks a lot for the reply from moonfinder2 and Sally Spencer.

 

As I am a new member, I am unaware about " SA " . also i did not understand

what is MEP?

 

kindly explain it.

 

thanks n regards

JV

 

moonfinder2 <moonfinder2 wrote:

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Arunji

 

thanks for clarifying.

 

May I request you to please explain SA technique or the special technique used

for making predictions

 

Thanks and regards

JV

 

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote:

Check that, if the ascending degree is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of

all houses will be 23 degrees...

 

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear JV,

 

MEP is the most effective point. It is simply the ascending degree translated

over to any house.

 

So, if the ascendant is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of all houses will be 15

degrees.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Arun Rao

 

jyotish visharad <jyotishvisharada wrote: Thanks a lot for the

reply from moonfinder2 and Sally Spencer.

 

As I am a new member, I am unaware about " SA " . also i did not understand what is

MEP?

 

kindly explain it.

 

thanks n regards

JV

 

moonfinder2 <moonfinder2 wrote:

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear JV,

 

It's too exhaustive for me to explain in full.

 

You can learn for yourself:

 

http://yournetastrologer.com/learnastrologyfast.htm

 

Best Wishes,

 

Arun

 

jyotish visharad <jyotishvisharada wrote:

Arunji

 

thanks for clarifying.

 

May I request you to please explain SA technique or the special technique

used for making predictions

 

Thanks and regards

JV

 

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote:

Check that, if the ascending degree is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of

all houses will be 23 degrees...

 

Arun Rao <arunrao9 wrote: Dear JV,

 

MEP is the most effective point. It is simply the ascending degree translated

over to any house.

 

So, if the ascendant is 23 degrees Scorpio, the MEP of all houses will be 15

degrees.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Arun Rao

 

jyotish visharad <jyotishvisharada wrote: Thanks a lot for the

reply from moonfinder2 and Sally Spencer.

 

As I am a new member, I am unaware about " SA " . also i did not understand what

is MEP?

 

kindly explain it.

 

thanks n regards

JV

 

moonfinder2 <moonfinder2 wrote:

Dear List Members:

 

Sorry to chime in here unexpectedly, but as a

private-study student of SA and an outside

observer... goodness, this explanation is barely

understandable. Is it possible to slow down, not

rush so much and break down the various factors

more clearly and logically?

 

If I understand the distinction correctly...

 

Malefic transits over the Asc affect the MEP of the

Asc and the MEP of the houses it aspects. If Saturn,

Saturn would aspect H1, H3, H7 and H10 and cause

interference, stress or delays according to its nature

on these houses. Different malefic planets will cause

problems according to their nature. Even though the

H1 lord is not being directly aspected, look to the

strength of the Asc lord to evaluate to what extent

the affairs of H1 will be able to withstand this type of

malefic impact. Look to the strength or weakness of the

other house lords to evaluate the same thing.

 

Malefic transits to the Asc lord do not have to directly

aspect the Asc in order to still affect H1 affairs anyway.

The significations of the Asc lord will also be stressed or

blocked in keeping with the nature of the transiting malefic

planet. In addition to affecting H1 affairs by aspecting its

lord, the transiting planet will affect the significations of

the house it's passing through and those houses it aspects.

If Saturn is transiting the Moon in Virgo under a Cancer

lagna, it would cause problems or delays with H1 of

personal affairs because of its aspect to H1 lord, then

affect the significations of H3 of blocked initiatives--the

house it's transiting through--and adversely affect H5 of

creative intelligence or progeny and H9 of good fortune

and spiritual pursuits.

 

In both instances the affairs of H1 are affected; but

according to whether the H1 lord is aspected, or the

Asc directly aspected, different house significations will

come into play in keeping with what house that malefic

transit happens to be passing through and the houses

it aspects.

 

I'm sure others will fill in anything that was inadvertently

left out in the above description. Sorry to jump in here from

out of the blue. It's just that I happen to privately value

clarity, patience and logic in trying to understand the subtle

distinctions in the practice of SA, and I feel that clearness

of language and concept are very important, particularly

for new students of this wonderful systematic approach.

 

MoonFinder

 

, " Sally Spencer " <sally234 wrote:

>

> Hello JV,

>

> Transit over the lord it's general and specific significations are

hurt. If

> the ascendant, the other houses get affected as well as the lord.

All are

> factored in to the equation. I would say the ascendant one is more

> deleterious then. But if the lord affects others then that needs to

come

> into play too. And remember to factor in strength too.

>

> Aloha,

> Sally

>

> On 8/7/06, jyotishvisharada <jyotishvisharada wrote:

> >

> > Learned members,

> >

> > As we know, for delineation of any house, three factors are considered

> > important viz bhav/bhavesh/karka.

> >

> > But I have doubts on importacne of each factor. for example if a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant; what could be results. If a

> > malefic is transiting over ascendant lord, what could be the result

> >

> > please sugges

> > regard

> > JV

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>