Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006  om gurave namaħ Dear Raghunatha Pramod Mahajan is not like those 'other politicians'. There are few like L.K.Advani and him who do not have 'multiple charts' to give to multiple astrologers. It is always one and this is clear. The chart of Pramod Mahajan is right ...thats what I can tell you. All the rudrabhishek being done for him is giving some results ... but the long term seems tough. Lot depends on Guru, Get yesterdays Atri class recording from Ajay With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Raghunatha RaoNemaniSunday, April 23, 2006 9:28 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Pramod Mahajan Om Krishna GuruNamaste All,Few members wrote to me personally saying that the birth details of Sri Pramod Ji may be not accurate like some of the politicians. So I thought of taking the help of Prashna to analyse the current situation.I have casted the following Prashna and did not got the permission to go forward:- April 23, 2006Time: 9:45:12Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 20' 59", 44 N 53' 23"So I am taking the Prashna Casted by Sudharsan Ji and giving my analysis using the Trisphuta principles only.So the Prashna Chart I am using which was casted by Sudharsan Ji is as follows:- April 23, 2006Time: 0:29:20Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 74 W 34' 05", 41 N 03' 50" Edison, New Jersey, USAThe Trisphuta is in Arudra Nakshatra of Pada 1. It is in Mithuna in Rasi and Dhanus in Navamsa.In this chart Trisphuta in Gemini indicates that it falls in the first khanda (Aries to Cancer) associated with Creation and it indicates to me that the native kept good health in the past.The Trisphuta is in Gemini and this means that the current state/health of the native is in a sign of Destruction (dual signs). This means the native at the present time is keeping very bad health.The Trisphuta Navamsa reveals the future state of the body. In this Chart the Trishputa is in Dhantus a Dvisvabhava raçi, indicating a blow to health, and suffering is indicated, maybe even death.Now let us see the Nakshatra Point of view. The Trisphuta is in Arudra Nakshatra ruled by Rahu, who is placed in Meena ( Dvisvabhava ) in Rasi and also Kanya another Dvisvabhava Rasi in Navamsa too giving a combined result of Destruction. The out come is not positive and let us pray together to Mother Mahalakhsmi to bless him.Having said that, May I reqeust Gurus to review my analysis and correct me,if I have not applied the Trisphuta principles correctly.RegardsRaghunatha Raosohamsa , "Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 wrote:"Raghunatha RaoNemani" <raon1008 Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:01 am Pramod Mahajan Om Krishna GuruNamaste All,I have considered the following birth details for the analysis:- October 30, 1948Time: 9:21:00 pmTime Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00" Hyderabad, IndiaMany have already given the reasons why this event had happend tohim. So my focused question to my self was: Is there any threat tohis life.Based on the Ashtakavarga principles and transit Saturn in Nakshatraof Pushyami 3rd Pada, I am thinking there is no threat to his life.Let us Pray Mother Mahalakshmi to bless him.RegardsRaghunatha Rao avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0616-4, 04/21/2006Tested on: 4/24/2006 8:27:01 AMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 om gurave nama©¤ Dear Sourav Please feel free post it here also. Readers have go through many clicks before they get there and by then their mind is diverted from the various discussions. With best wishes & warm regards, Yours truly Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org http://sjcerc.com Atri SJC: 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India Phone: +91.11.25717162 - sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Souvik DuttaSunday, April 23, 2006 11:31 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Pramod Mahajan Respected members of blessed group sohamsa,I have tried to analyze this extremely dreaded event of Mr. Mahajanby three exclusively independent ways of Indian astrology.a) Gochar vichar (Transit Astrology)b) Shastyamsa and the Moola Dasa pair.c) Natal KP and Vimshottari Dasa pair.I am working on other modes of prediction as well.I need all your help to correct my flaws and guide me further inthis analysis.Please feel free to join and discuss with learner and the learned ofIndian astrology at navlakshya.navlakshya/message/3044ThanksSouvik avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0616-4, 04/21/2006Tested on: 4/24/2006 8:31:32 AMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 | om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many years in the 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time when he lost faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to give my predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats personal chart of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the Times of Astrology etc. Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got some source and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself. You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly accepted mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you are very responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the rashi chart. which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna? Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoSunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM ; vedic astrology ; sohamsa Subject: Re: Pramod Mahajan Dear Manoj ji, I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible". However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have verified and confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks that Gemini lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that Taurus lagna chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical for him, using two different charts. Though both made the correct call, obviously one of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart. And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he personally met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan. Apparently, the latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth. According to him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing away, this gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that lagna is Sg. Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest observation here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime is in the ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less, then we seem to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct predictions. Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to be able to come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good predictions. I see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston. However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we seem to be more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the correct chart is hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem to be able to always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct and end up picking up one of the charts. In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is possible only if you start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up with a "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if we have such an issue. In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry, Sonia, Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end up "verifying" and endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them are wrong too. On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my prediction without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours meditating with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the night. I was feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was overcome by moha (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be good for the country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive prediction after such a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite egoistic and foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership remains, no amount of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge one's consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's will power with the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid thoughts keep coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and spent 5 minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that Jaimini's longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy and went ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on subtle egotism came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism. Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if you listen to the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that we normally do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can only try to improve. May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha ------------------------------- Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------------- > Dear PVR ji,> > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna lagna horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on that. Thats my humble suggestion.> > regards,> > Manoj> > childofdevi <childofdevi wrote:> Dear PVR-ji,> > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is very> admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you are. The> light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> > With respects and best regards,> -Vijay> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went by> Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With the> Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life (72-108> years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though he is> running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the annual> chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought that he would> survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I humbly> accept my failure.> > > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously. > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an astrologer.> > > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic. In my> Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in each class> and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime based on> known events and then make predictions in the next hour. There have> been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months later that> the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them, their> relatives and friends.> > > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones too.> Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend enough time> and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make predictions> with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such is the> power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply irresistible.> Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time, but due> to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her name) is> anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be done.> > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > ------------------------------- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0618-3, 05/05/2006Tested on: 5/7/2006 6:36:23 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006  | om gurave namah |Dear Lakshmi The word Saamba is from Svayam-bhu or 'self created'. So it cannot be Sa+ambaa as then there is duality and this breaks the concept of advaita symbolised by svayambhu or saamba shiva. The name simply means that one source from whom everything is created and that he is created by none. This is a very uifying concept and is of the nature of akasa tattva whose job is to bind and unify. Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications---- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of B Lakshmi RameshSunday, May 07, 2006 10:20 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Pramod Mahajan Om Gurave NamahNamaste Guruji,In your navamsa lecture you were pointing out the difference between Shiva and Samba Shiva. Sa+Amba Shiva...Shiva with Mother...is it the association of Mother that gave Samba Shiva a form (as distinguished from His usual linga roopa)?Regards,Lakshmisohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > I have been seeing the chart of Sri Mahajan off and on for many years in the> 1990's from the time he was Defence Minister. There was a time when he lost> faith in astrologers (13 day BJP Government) and then I had to give my> predictions in writing to prove that astrology works (thats personal chart> of his) and not only that I also published India's chart in the Times of> Astrology etc.> > Point is, why will Pramod Mahajan lie to me? Everybody has got some source> and the chart I give is that given by Pramod Mahajan himself.> > You and I are perhaps, the only astrologers who have publicly accepted> mistakes and wrong calls. No it was not irresponsibility, you are very> responsible and honest by nature. It was sheer oversight of the rashi chart.> which chart did you use anyway? Taurus or Gemini Lagna?> > Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > _____> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Sunday, May 07, 2006 6:03 PM> ; vedic astrology ;> sohamsa > Re: Pramod Mahajan> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > I agree and that is why I used the adjective "irresponsible".> > However, it must be added that "erudite astrologers" have verified and> confirmed different lagnas in this case. Pt Sanjay Rath thinks that Gemini> lagna chart is correct and Sri KN Rao apparently thinks that Taurus lagna> chart is correct. Both seemingly said that the time is critical for him,> using two different charts. Though both made the correct call, obviously one> of them is (or possibly both of them are) using a wrong chart.> > And, on vedic astrology , a gentleman claimed that he personally> met an astrologer who was consulted by Pramod Mahajan. Apparently, the> latter read Pramod Mahajan's chart that was prepared at birth. According to> him, Mahajan has Sagittarius lagna! After Mahajan's passing away, this> gentleman contacted that astrologer again and confirmed that lagna is Sg.> > Though people may not like hearing this, I will make one honest observation> here. If a reasonably accurate chart is given, i.e. birthtime is in the> ball-park of the correct time and the error is 10 min or less, then we seem> to do a good job of rectifying the chart and making correct predictions.> Even students who have been leaning for a year or two seem to be able to> come to a consensus on the correct birthtime and make good predictions. I> see it practically in my own Sunday classes near Boston.> > However, if two or three totally different charts are given, we seem to be> more susceptible to making bad calls. Especially, if the correct chart is> hidden and 2 or 3 wrong charts are circulated, we do not seem to be able to> always identify that none of the circulated charts is correct and end up> picking up one of the charts.> > In some mathematical optimization problems, solution is possible only if you> start close to the "global" optimum. Otherwise, you may end up with a> "local" optimum and not reach the global optimum. I wonder if we have such> an issue.> > In any case, I did see in several cases (e.g. Vajpayee, Kerry, Sonia,> Mahajan, Karunanidhi) that very good astrologers end up "verifying" and> endorsing totally different charts and sometimes all of them are wrong too.> > On a personal note, I think there was an egoistic reason for my prediction> without a lot of ground work. On that day, I spent 15.5 hours meditating> with a Vedamantra, starting at sunrise and ending in the night. I was> feeling very blissful at the end. Still, I guess I was overcome by moha> (delusion) and thought that Pramod Mahajan's survival would be good for the> country. Moreover, I thought that my making a positive prediction after such> a "long sadhana" would help his case. Obviously, that was quite egoistic and> foolish of me. As long as that ego and sense of doership remains, no amount> of sadhana is fully useful. The goal of all sadhana is to merge one's> consciousness with the supreme consciousness and merge one's will power with> the divine will. Until that happens, I guess such stupid thoughts keep> coming. In any case, I wanted to make a positive prediction and spent 5> minutes with the chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath and saw that Jaimini's> longevity rules show a long life in the chart. Then I was happy and went> ahead. It is quite appropriate that a prediction based on subtle egotism> came back to teach a lesson or two in egotism.> > Bottomline is: I did concede that I was irresponsible. But, if you listen to> the free mp3 audio of our classes at Boston, you will see that we normally> do our astrology very responsibly and systematically. I can only try to> improve.> > May the light of Brahman shine within,> Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > Dear PVR ji,> >> > An erudite astrologer like you should have verified Mithuna lagna> horoscope first before attempting to give out a prediction on that. Thats my> humble suggestion.> >> > regards,> >> > Manoj> >> > childofdevi <childofdevi@> wrote:> > Dear PVR-ji,> >> > Even though the prediction did not happen, your humility is very> > admirable especially considering how deeply knowledgeable you are. The> > light of Brahman has indeed shined through:-).> >> > With respects and best regards,> > -Vijay> >> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep,> > >> > > I humbly accept my failure in this particular case. I went by> > Jaimini's "3 parts rule" for determining the longevity. With the> > Gemini lagna chart given by Pt Sanjay Rath, I get long life (72-108> > years) with my understanding of the rule of 3 parts. Though he is> > running maraka dasas as per the natal chart as well as the annual> > chart, I went by the "long life" expectation and thought that he would> > survive the maraka dasas in annual chart until June 26. I humbly> > accept my failure.> > >> > > > One must never take any astro predictions seriously.> > > > I for one would from now on never seek to consult an astrologer.> > >> > > I think we need to improve, but I am not as pessimistic. In my> > Sunday classes at Boston, we usually take up one chart in each class> > and spend a little more than an hour rectifying the birthtime based on> > known events and then make predictions in the next hour. There have> > been so many occasions when students confirmed a few months later that> > the prediction of the class came perfectly true for them, their> > relatives and friends.> > >> > > All of us make many correct predictions and some wrong ones too.> > Especially in celebrity charts, we sometimes don't spend enough time> > and still overenthusiastically (and irresponsibly) make predictions> > with data that may not be accurate or fully rectified. Such is the> > power of maya that celebrity charts are sometimes simply irresistible.> > Of course, in some cases, failure is not due to a wrong time, but due> > to over-reliance on a fallible technique.> > >> > > > Better to trust in God ... Chant His name!!> > >> > > I wouldn't contest that one. Chanting His name (or Her name) is> > anyday better than doing astrology. But then, both can be done.> > >> > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > Narasimha> > > -------------------------------> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > -------------------------------> > > > *tat savitur varenyam*> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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